Martinez39s:
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"An amputee asking god to heal him is stupid and an idiot... A human is no different than a chicken..."

GRIMMJOE:
...

Martinez39s:
SMH. So a man whose has lost his sight and hearing can play basketball and practice Medicine at top level?

Martinez39s:

Leave Mr Toyoda out of this. In the eyes of God, is there no difference between man (a creature made in his image) and a chicken (a creature he gave man dominion over)? I ask again, answer and don't run:
(1) I would like to ask how you as a christian can compare something supposedly made in god's image to a chicken.
(2) How can you compare something Jesus supposedly suffered and died for to a chicken?
(3) If Jesus, who does the will of god always, can grant lepers, lame folks, deaf folks, the blind, folks with withered limbs, etc their miracles, how is it stupid, or against the will of god, to grant an amputee his/her missing limb(s)?
(4) By your own logic, shouldn't Jesus have ignored those people because their ailments didn't stop them from being human beings? Shouldn't Jesus have ignored them since he made them strong in their defects, and life could be sweet for them if they wanted it to be?

I like how you stylishly avoided these and talked about a mysterious Mr Toyoda whose opinion doesn't count here. If Toyoda thinks humans are not different from chicken, does it mean God thinks that way?

Martinez39s:

It is different. The surgeon cannot apply to other hospitals since his hands are not there. Even if it weren't different, does it mean god shouldn't deliver on his promises? It's funny how you are acting as secretary/spokesman to god to determine which miracle is unnecessary or vain

Martinez39s:

Anyway, have fun with your mental gymnastics and self-deception. Many persist in religious delusions because they love their chains. By virtue of your religion, you have become insensitive and callous.

Martinez39s:
Isn't it sad?

LawBreaker:
Does God really exist? I have been praying to God for one particular issue but am not getting answer, instead the situation gets messy. I am even tired and I am beginning to lose hope that pray truly works. I am beginning to lose trust that God exists and all that. Please correct if am wrong.

GRIMMJOE:
Who created traditional power.

bigname23:
dey dere dey ask mumu question for there na?una wey claim say no spiritual powers or God,? men dey live life everyday onto one power or d oda, u dey nairaland dey ask mumu question..u nor know where ifa priests dem dey? op abeg follow who know road, there must b pepo around u who must have had similar issues in life ..ask dem how dey got solutions , nor dey follow advice of person wey nor know d reality of wetin u dey pass thru...

GRIMMJOE:

You shouldn't be on a forum where humans have intellectual conversation, to think you actually clicked summit after writing that rubbish.

bigname23:
dey dere dey ask mumu question for there na?una wey claim say no spiritual powers or God,? men dey live life everyday onto one power or d oda, u dey nairaland dey ask mumu question..u nor know where ifa priests dem dey? op abeg follow who know road, there must b pepo around u who must have had similar issues in life ..ask dem how dey got solutions , nor dey follow advice of person wey nor know d reality of wetin u dey pass thru...

bigname23:
bros it takes faith to get answers from God, my advice for u will be to get materials (books,tapes) that will build ur faith..but personally from experience I can tell u God exists ..if nor b God men like us for nor dey alive 2day..based on wetin we don see for dis life..we nor 2 day pray like dat but we dey experience grace on a constant

Hermes119:


What am I missing ?

Christians are claiming Atheism is a religion and at the same time are saying Christianity is not a religion,I don't understand what is religion ?

Dtruthspeaker:


I Always Answer sincerely, so, No, I did not and will not!

bigname23:
but it doesn't change the fact he is still giving me in dis messed up country..not just d country self ...from a rough background in a poor country ...infact dat gives me more reasons to b grateful to him

bigname23:
Bros na ur own b dat from ...my own personal experience though I b hustler ...but nor b me hustle pass, sum of my guys wey hustle pass me never still live life pass me ..Grace has been the defining factor in my life...in words of Victor ad ...nor be who hustle pass dey carry first oh, na ur grace I take dey live oluwa

frank317:


So oluwa de bless u pass some people way hustle pass u? How rich are u pls? I have a feeling dangote no go see ur back

bigname23:
guy I dnt have time to start arguing useless arguments with u all over again...I have beta things to do than to start exchanging words with different athiests..check am self...even d dangote u used as a standard for wealth believes in God, go follow am argue say nor b Allah bless am...Nor b u I go start anoda round of arguement with after that guy

bigname23:
eh yah sorry eh..but Bros u are in no position to censor who comes on dis forum or not, neither are u in a position to determine who is intellectual or not..since ur intellect is only useful in asking useless questions..dey dere dey censor who go dey forum or not , meanwhile seun dey make he money

bigname23:
guy I dnt have time to start arguing useless arguments with u all over again...I have beta things to do than to start exchanging words with different athiests..check am self...even d dangote u used as a standard for wealth believes in God, go follow am argue say nor b Allah bless am...Nor b u I go start anoda round of arguement with after that guy

frank317:


I just wanted to get ur points clear. Is believe in God basis for doind well? All these people plus u also hustle.... If God is involved, I am sure u will not even need to hustle. Imagine the creator of this world responding to ur needs, why do u have to work hard to make ends meet and at the end of the day u are just an average citizen, it makes not sense.
Except u guys accept the God u are worshiping is just an average being who is not as powerful as u make it.
I stopped praying since 2009 and today I am doing better than many of my Christian folks. I just was consistent in trying out things and applied wisdom the best way I could.
What u guys do is that u cal God all over the place and somehow u are still saying he is useless even without knowing it.
How can God help u and u are just an average citizen. As I am interacting with u, I can confidently say I am richer than u, this based on the way u are talking. What then is the use of this God?

frank317:


I just wanted to get ur points clear. Is believe in God basis for doind well? All these people plus u also hustle.... If God is involved, I am sure u will not even need to hustle. Imagine the creator of this world responding to ur needs, why do u have to work hard to make ends meet and at the end of the day u are just an average citizen, it makes not sense.
Except u guys accept the God u are worshiping is just an average being who is not as powerful as u make it.
I stopped praying since 2009 and today I am doing better than many of my Christian folks. I just was consistent in trying out things and applied wisdom the best way I could.
What u guys do is that u cal God all over the place and somehow u are still saying he is useless even without knowing it.
How can God help u and u are just an average citizen. As I am interacting with u, I can confidently say I am richer than u, this based on the way u are talking. What then is the use of this God?

bigname23:
richer than me ke ?...in ur dreams..abeg na nairaland we dey make we not start to dey fool ourselves..e get d kind of things wen I nor fit talk based on street levels....but like I said b4 u are looking for anoda useless round of arguement, and I am not going to give it to u..people like u for real life na ..una nor go fit cough for wen we dey...Bros abeg argue with urself...since u get money well nd u believe God is not a factor, y u nor go follow dangote argue ...oga audio billionaire

GRIMMJOE:
He doesn't even see how religion has made him a narcissist, every hundreds of Nigerian kid die of malaria, but all he cares about is having food in your stomach.

That why Nigeria is like this, me and my family, me and my tradition, me and my God, a book has made people believe they are better than others, they forget we will all be eaten by maggots when the time.

LawBreaker:
Does God really exist? I have been praying to God for one particular issue but am not getting answer, instead the situation gets messy. I am even tired and I am beginning to lose hope that pray truly works. I am beginning to lose trust that God exists and all that. Please correct if am wrong.

frank317:

U don't want the Leah to b released?

frank317:


The fool thinks God is blessing him better than the op because he has more faith than the op. In his mind he is more blessed than anyone who does not earn as much as him, but he does not know that he is indirectly saying everyone doing better then him is more blessed than him.

And this is the best his foolish God can do... Tell u to work hard and take the glory of ur hard work.

Dtruthspeaker:


In truth I want her released and I would be very happy that she is released.

But first I am very Angry that this happened because man thinks he knows more than God and Always thinks so.

While God kill All Evil People, man said "we shall do better than God", he shall not kill evil people, (ooh that's not right, they say) but we shall raise up a house for them called prison and "change" them (called reformation).

Now evil has filled the whole earth and now we have all these shits going on.

Now, there is another thing you are also not aware of, Remember, God's Word Must Happen and Be Fulfilled, it is written "they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you": Mathew 24:9

Also Revelation 6:10/11-
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

So I think she may have been appointed to die as others have died in Kaduna, Jos, America, China, all over the world, just as it is written.

If she dies for Christ, she dies well.

And Remember what we call dying, the Lord God said it is a "sleeping"!

bigname23:
y e dey pain u like dis Bros... don't worry m not goi to give u dat attention again..u can call me fool all u like here, I am not worried because this is faceless forum where cowards show their strength..m tired of exchanging insults with pepo I don't know or might never meet..op knows I didn't underate his faith, I only gave my testimony on how I used faith to overcome my own struggles, but some haters don't want to hear anything concerning God, dey dere de form strong man for nairaland, I nor go answer u

frank317:


Yes of cause, I am pained by ur mumuness.

How do u call the situation u gave a testimony when u are still a poor man. Is ur God poor?

bigname23:
cum turn me to poor man na, since u won force me turn poor person by all means...or think say na everybody b like u, wey dey get audio money for nairaland..cum waf town if u won know how rich I be..

frank317:


Guy leave that thing, u are poor.

Even if u have, u are not rich enough to say the wealth is gotten through the help of the creator... That's too not true.

At least Bill gates child is richer than u, yet his source is from his earthly father. How can u not be richer than him since ur source is from the creator. Do u guys even reason.

frank317:

U want her released but u think it's not necessary to ask God to help her

frank317:

Now u say perhaps she has been appointed to die? Based on what are u saying this?

frank317:

If one gets malaria could u say it's useless praying for the person because perhaps it's appointed for the person to have malaria

frank317:

It's hurts my eyes to read from u, Mr God's lawyer. U have proven ur self to fail in all areas of reasoning

frank317:

The same u who have prayed, asked God for favor, and always got answers from God is the same u saying it's useless praying for another because they are appointed to go through the hell they are going through

frank317:

This is after saying than an amputee is stupid for asking God for a new limb.

If u can ask God for anything and get it, why can't others? Why can't same u ask God for their sake? Who appointed Leah to die? U or The God u are representing?

bigname23:
guy even the bill gates u are talking about believes in God oh.. I b say I nor won argue with u ...abeg guy bye bye ..una arguement nor dey finish..I m waiting for day I will meet sumbody like u face to face..make I cum see whether he go fit open mouth call me fool or mumu