answer those questions first before i continue,u'll soon know who is really doing the right thing

Horus:

answer those questions first before i continue,u'll soon know who is really doing the right thing

doyenn:

.i'll tell you why christianity isnt a religion

doyenn:

.1) in a simple terms,clarify b/w Lord & God, and state any differences b/w them

doyenn:

.2) why do you refer jesus as son of God

doyenn:

.3) what brought jesus to the world and what are the messages he brought

doyenn:

.4) to whom jesus was sent to and why

doyenn:

.5) is there any verse in the bible where jesus refer himself as son of God or even God

doyenn:

.6) what is bible and in what language was it reveal to jesus

doyenn:

.7) how many prophet was in the world with jesus and state the name(s)

doyenn:

8.) what book do the other prophet use in passing message across to people

doyenn:

answer those questions first before i continue,u'll soon know who is really doing the right thing

davidylan:

@ doyenn, many like you have come purporting to be merely "asking questions" only to disappear as soon as the fraud of islam has been exposed. If you want to start a fire make sure you are prepared to take the heat too!

Can you clarify between 6 and half a dozen?

Because by faith HE is. Unfortunately since you are interpreting things from the standpoint of islam you can never understand where we to explain to you from now till tomorrow.

He came that me and you could be saved from eternity in hell. He brought the message of faith, healing and salvation.

First He was sent to the Jews - Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

then after His death, the temple veil was rent apart and He no longer dwelt in temples built with hands but in the hearts of each and everyone who is accepting of Him.
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Son of God
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

God
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Thou shalt not compare the bible to the quran. The bible is the Word of God. It was NOT revealed to Jesus because He certainly NEVER claimed to have come with any books.

Of what relevance is this? John the Baptist came to prepare the way for Jesus Christ.

Many of the prophets in the bible from the times of the judges are known to have read from the books of Moses. The laws which God gave them before coming to the promised land. An example - Ezra.

We have heard this before, most of you simply never showed up again as soon as u were confronted with superior argument rather than the lame gnashing of teeth, tears and tantrums you muslims throw anytime you are confronted with the illogicallity of that which you claim to believe.

davidylan:

@ doyenn, many like you have come purporting to be merely "asking questions" only to disappear as soon as the fraud of islam has been exposed. If you want to start a fire make sure you are prepared to take the heat too!

doyenn:

.5) is there any verse in the bible where jesus refer himself as son of God or even God

doyenn:

I learn very fast when it comes to islamic belief and if anyone here in this house need to know about islam,i am one of those who can assist you.i am not an islamic cleric and i can not even quote from the holy book but what i have heard from scholars with my hear is not and cannot be overlook.

doyenn:

there are lots of scores to settle b/w me and the fellow christians.let's start here

doyenn:

answer those questions first before i continue,u'll soon know who is really doing the right thing

doyenn:

No regard was given in any way to the creator of Jesus himself.

doyenn:

3 Any prophet that was sent to the world was sent on a particular mission with a specific tools to use in his preaching to convince the people of that time. The unbeliever in the time of Abraham was full of magical powers and any prophet that would challenge them must be able to proof that God has more magic power than they do so Abraham was given this power stick that he uses whenever there is a need for it. It was when he threw the stick and the stick changed to a big snake that swallows their snake was when some of their people cld believe God is great and some of them have to change.

doyenn:

So their is nothing special in the healings that Jesus did for his people,those healings was the option he had in convincing his people and this does not make him God or more rated than other prophet.

doyenn:

4.Jesus was sent to the lost sheep and nothing else.

doyenn:

5 Jesus said father does not mean the father we know here,jesus said to his people that know one shld call anyone his father on earth because the only father is in heaven which means he refer to God as father and not biological father.

doyenn:

6 bible was reveal to Jesus,mind you,none of the prophet cam with book,it was reveal them. defifnitely you can not compare it to the Holy Q'uran because it's a section of all the msg in the Q'uran. the Q'uran was what Jesus referred to as the word that was with God in the beginning.

doyenn:

7. Go and make your findings well.there was 2 prophet in the time of Jesus.

doyenn:

My point is that,let's stop using Jesus to preach falshood to people,he preaches the word of God to his people,he didnt preach how to make money or perform miracles. he heal those he feels needed to be healed so that they would believe in his teachings that God can do more miracles in their life. He does not in any way preaches wealth or make people rich because he himself is not a rich person.

doyenn:

why can't you try and read the history of all this people that appears in the bible's quote.

The prophet made us know who among his disciples we can follow because not all of them is followable. He chooses the best for us to follow and those he choses has been given a reward by God himself for their impart in God's work. So all this mathew,mark and bla bla bla are not prophet and their words should be carefully question and confirm before it is followed.

doyenn:

In Islam,we check the words of God on any thing we want to do,if the language used is not so clear to us,we check the hadith to see how the prophet implement it. Others go into details by checking how those chosen disciples also treated it before they clearly understands it. so bari kade endavour to know the nuks and crany of everything and not just what ordinary people like you say.

doyenn:

there is now verse where jesus answer yes when they ask him if he's the son of God.

doyenn:

Let me reveal this to you,part of what Jesus is coming to do is to tell you people that he is not the son o God and God.

doyenn:

go and find out more about what he's coming to do. submit your findings and let's have a debate.

doyenn:

From the answer you gave to some of my questions,it shows that you're not a religious person

1 In my first question,you told me to differentiate b/w 6 & a half,does it mean that those who are referring Jesus as their Lord would not be wrong to referred to him as their God. People who refer Jesus as their Lord does not really know if Lord & God are the same so they went further to call him God.If you go to any church today,jesus is what most people are worshipping because they believe he's God and this make them to forget that Jesus was created the same way as me & you. No regard was given in any way to the creator of Jesus himself.

doyenn:

3 Any prophet that was sent to the world was sent on a particular mission with a specific tools to use in his preaching to convince the people of that time. The unbeliever in the time of Abraham was full of magical powers and any prophet that would challenge them must be able to proof that God has more magic power than they do so Abraham was given this power stick that he uses whenever there is a need for it. It was when he threw the stick and the stick changed to a big snake that swallows their snake was when some of their people cld believe God is great and some of them have to change. So their is nothing special in the healings that Jesus did for his people,those healings was the option he had in convincing his people and this does not make him God or more rated than other prophet.

doyenn:

4.Jesus was sent to the lost sheep and nothing else. the biggest mistake of your life is that you believe he's dead. if you die with this believe then you're done for it. Jesus is coming back to this world because he's not dead yet. God said,any life that has tasted dealth would not come back to life. it's because Jesus is not dead,that was why he's coming back. there is more to his coming back,he's not coming to save people alone but to do his own personal work as promised by God. He requested for something based on what he sees and god promise him but only at the end of time.

doyenn:

5 Jesus said father does not mean the father we know here,jesus said to his people that know one shld call anyone his father on earth because the only father is in heaven which means he refer to God as father and not biological father.

doyenn:

6 bible was reveal to Jesus,mind you,none of the prophet cam with book,it was reveal them. defifnitely you can not compare it to the Holy Q'uran because it's a section of all the msg in the Q'uran. the Q'uran was what Jesus referred to as the word that was with God in the beginning.

doyenn:

7. Go and make your findings well.there was 2 prophet in the time of Jesus.

OlowoTee:

@doyenn, it's better you accept it before it's too late.

If God so loved the world, why didn't he come himself instead of sending his only begotten son?

This goes to show that the doctrine of trinity was a later insertion which prophets before Jesus never preached. There is a clear difference between the three.

doyenn:

Jesus can never 4give ani sin because he does not have the power to do so. What he does is pray God to seek people's 4giveness and because he's whom he's,his prayer would be answered so that he can do his healings.If those people were not been 4giving at that moment,the healing would no be possible and people would shel him with stones.

doyenn:

God is doing that favor for people through Jesus and at the same time,protectng Jesus from their hands because if he does not succeed healing them,i thin you know this people they would attempt killin him.

doyenn:

maybe you think God can't do the mirace without Jesus being there. Jesus was not there when Mary have he pregnancy and that same God can do it all without sending anybody.this should teach you a lesson that,God want Jesus to be among the his favourites and that's all. forget every other things.

doyenn:

Why can't you now face this God directly,find out how he instructed us to conduct worship,his ways and all things and let's see if you really are knowledgeable about it.

doyenn:

please this thread isn't started to go against Jesus because I know all about him even more than what you knew.

doyenn:

All your references is from someone who's close to him and not the Jesus himself. Dont argue if you don't have facts. I would not reply to you again because i can see you dnt know what your'e saying.

doyenn:

I know most of you does not know the roots of everything ut people like davidylan is a wolf in man's clothing.

doyenn:

You still have not grab the purpose of this thread.

babs787:

@Davidylan, Pilgrim etc

When you are through with him, you will answer some questions from babs too

babs787:

Some christians believe that it was God himself that left the heaven, came to earth, took human form, eat and drink like we and allowed his creation to kill him. He shouted to himself for forsaken him on the cross.

babs787:

Also in the bible, blasphemy against the Holy spirit has no forgiveness but blasphemy against son of man has forgiveness. This goes to show that the doctrine of trinity was a later insertion which prophets before Jesus never preached. There is a clear difference between the three.