ProphetM0hammad:

When they were working nobody held back their salaries.
If they want salaries, they should go back to work. Even the Bible supports it that whoever doesn't work must not eat.

It's either you are a convenient liar, or your information about the strike action embarked by ASUU is limited. The salaries of ASUU members were stopped b4 the strike was embarked on. Not the other way round.

If you consider "no work, no pay" as good policy, yet oppose "no pay, no work" then there is an integrity issue here.

:No work, no pay.Let there be a precedence. Do you think it's factory work?

ProphetM0hammad:

Part of the negotiations should be that ASUU will get only two months salaries as an act of good faith from the government. Even the two months is like a bonus.

The truth is the government doesn't want to pay but they know the consequences so they won't try it. Ngige already tried to initiate the no work no pay thing just as he did with the NMA it but he failed. ASUU is the only union in Nigeria that really knows and does unionism.

liltee123:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/no-resumption-until-fg-pays-withheld-salaries-ASUU/%3famp=1

...this is the aim of this useless government from hell, to perpetuate the stalemate and destroy the future of southern youths. No good can come from the Islamic north, by fire by force Nigeria must break. Here's the caveat, No northerner must ever and never be allowed to live or do business in Yoruba land again if they survive what is coming to them. No mercy, no appeal.

Ibegtodiffer:


It's either you are a convenient liar, or your information about the strike action embarked by ASUU is limited. The salaries of ASUU members were stopped b4 the strike was embarked on. Not the other way round.

If you consider "no work, no pay" as good policy, yet oppose "no pay, no work" then there is an integrity issue here.

You mean the salaries of the ones that rebelled and refused to register on IPPIS?

Both are good policies But you know even if you get your appointment letter today, you have to work one full month before your first pay/salary

zicoy6k:


The truth is the government doesn't want to pay but they know the consequences so they won't try it. Ngige already tried to initiate the no work no pay thing just as he did with the NMA it but he failed. ASUU is the only union in Nigeria that really knows and does unionism.

What are some of those consequences?
Ngige should negotiate with them and offer them two months salary.

ProphetM0hammad:

Paying some striking lecturers till August is one of the many failures of this administration.
And Biodun will come out and cry everytime that they can't resume on empty stomach as if they've stopped salaries since April.
You only need to check the numbers of months they've spent at home since 2017 to get disgusted.
It will still be same story very soon, even if government accept UTAS. They will say UTAS has been tampered with and it has paid another professor 8k, pay us via Western Union.

Western Union , I personally feel paying the lecturers withheld salaries will empower them to prolong the strike much further. If FG is serious about ending it, they should hold on to those salaries until ASUU is exorsted. Everybody has elastic limit.

ProphetM0hammad:

Yes.

That won't matter since it's better to fight on the side of truth.

FG promised about a week ago that all payments relating to wage would be concluded last week Friday, as a sign of commitment. ASUU on its own part, was supposed to call off the strike today as a sign of commitment., while other discussions goes on, and schools start preparations for resumption in January. But even the agreement that is one week old has been broken by the FG. Yet, with very limited info, you're here blaming ASUU and painting the FG as perfect. That is the height of bias.

I will appeal to you to change the name of your handle as your thinking, dishonest & unfair position is a dent on that name.

ProphetM0hammad:


Even the little that goes into education is not being properly used for education.

NUC got an allocation a few years ago, and like 70% of it was budgetted for SUVs and little for research. It was a News that made a lot of headlines.

...and that is also the fault of ASUU?

liltee123:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/no-resumption-until-fg-pays-withheld-salaries-ASUU/%3famp=1

I can remember vividly in 2013 i was in 300lv was about to start counting down to 400. Then ASUU happened at first it was a warning strike we were chilling na' like joke the strike stretched into 7months cobwebs and dust colonised my handout at home. In december 2013 schools with money started paying ASUU i guess and left d strike just for students to write exams.. as school resumed a week later we started exam, ppl even forgot matric number, omor carry over was like bonanza.
Bottom line is ASUU doesnt care bout nigerian students na dem pocket.

ProphetM0hammad:


You mean the salaries of the ones that rebelled and refused to register on IPPIS?

Both are good policies But you know even if you get your appointment letter today, you have to work one full month before your first pay/salary

...try harder. People are better informed.

Now this ASUU exco get sense. I thought after this long they will suspend the strike on the promise of a lying government . I would have said they just let students suffer for nothing. Last last FG no go honour their agreement. So let them pay first. Dont be like NLC

SilverNoGold:
.. Nigerian students are better off teaching themselves.. Cos Nigerian lecturers are incompetent and very lazy. What are they even teaching the students? How to cram lecture notes, and what else? Nonsense!

Please tag your School

Ibegtodiffer:


We need less than 50% of Nigerians to have your level of wisdom and understanding. The country will become great akgain.

Educate these children on nairaland Nairaland

Ibegtodiffer:


That won't matter since it's better to fight on the side of truth.

FG promised about a week ago that all payments relating to wage would be concluded last week Friday, as a sign of commitment. ASUU on its own part, was supposed to call off the strike today as a sign of commitment., while other discussions goes on, and schools start preparations for resumption in January. But even the agreement that is one week old has been broken by the FG. Yet, with very limited info, you're here blaming ASUU and painting the FG as perfect. That is the height of bias.

I will appeal to you to change the name of your handle as your thinking, dishonest & unfair position is a dent on that name.

I'm not painting the FG prefect. But FG will continue to give ASUU several empty promises.
Imagine they did a meeting and they said they've agreed on 65B, then another meeting that it's now 70B, I already started to sense deceptions at that point cos it didn't make sense. They promised 65B and haven't released any kobo and suddenly increased it to 70B.
At this point if ASUU demand that the Government pay them via Western Union, FG will agree, but it's all a lie.


My problem with ASUU is that i want ASUU to be realistic. Most of them are partisans too and some of them helped to bring this evil government into Power, this administration does not like Education hence ASUU have to bring their demands to the barest minimum, one that is feasible with the Government for now.
Then going forward should make sure with other well meaning Nigerians not to have this kind of Government rule us again.

ASUU might decide to go on strike for 3 years and it won't affect Buhari and Adamu in anyway.
But the Students time will get wasted and the lecturers might not get paid too.

I know for sure Christmas won't be the same for families of many lecturers this Year and some of them still have children in private secondary and primary schools and have to pay school fees by January

Ibegtodiffer:


...and that is also the fault of ASUU?

Yes, as you can see i stated it clearly there that it's ASUU's fault

OdaNobunaga:


Western Union , I personally feel paying the lecturers withheld salaries will empower them to prolong the strike much further. If FG is serious about ending it, they should hold on to those salaries until ASUU is exorsted. Everybody has elastic limit.

The Government is careless in everything. Some of them still got paid till August. That method won't be effective. The salaries should have been stopped since long ago

Ibegtodiffer:


...try harder. People are better informed.

FG will agree with any demand made by ASUU, but everything is on paper. ASUU should get ready for 3 years strike, with no pay of course.

bluefilm:


Call it whatever you want but it works perfectly for ASUU.

In life, when it comes to negotiations, there's something called BARGAINING CHIPS.

If you are going into any negotiations without having your bargaining chips, you have lost already.

FG uses their threat of Salary Withholding method as their bargaining chip.

ASUU uses embarking on strike as their own bargaining chip.

It always comes down to who will blink first.

You might argue that students have to stay at home as a consequence of ASUU strike but have you considered the hardship lecturers will have to go through as a result of their salaries being withheld by the FG?

No pain; No Gain!!!

I wonder the factors you used in concluding it has been perfect for ASUU maybe because they waste students time and still get paid. Are you aware that since 2009 ASUU has been going on strike for one same thing? That means several months or even years wasted on one thing yet no real headway till today and somehow you think strike has been effective, it's really quite unfortunate.

ProphetM0hammad:

I'm not painting the FG prefect. But FG will continue to give ASUU several empty promises.
Imagine they did a meeting and they said they've agreed on 65B, then another meeting that it's now 70B, I already started to sense deceptions at that point cos it didn't make sense. They promised 65B and haven't released any kobo and suddenly increased it to 70B.
At this point if ASUU demand that the Government pay them via Western Union, FG will agree, but it's all a lie.


My problem with ASUU is that i want ASUU to be realistic. Most of them are partisans too and some of them helped to bring this evil government into Power, this administration does not like Education hence ASUU have to bring their demands to the barest minimum, one that is feasible with the Government for now.
Then going forward should make sure with other well meaning Nigerians not to have this kind of Government rule us again.

ASUU might decide to go on strike for 3 years and it won't affect Buhari and Adamu in anyway.
But the Students time will get wasted and the lecturers might not get paid too.

I know for sure Christmas won't be the same for families of many lecturers this Year and some of them still have children in private secondary and primary schools and have to pay school fees by January

That is the issue. The superficial info you have is what you trust to make bold but incorrect assertions.

The raise from N65B to N70B was meant to accommodate the Earned Allowances of non-academics. The Earned Academic Allowance (for ASUU) has not increased despite the N5B increase.

Another gap in info on your part...

An administration's hatred for education should not make us all cave in. On the watering down of her demands as you have suggested, ASUU has done that. N220B to N65B is a drastic sacrifice., and that decision is in consideration of the exigencies of the time, not on the basis of FG hate for education.

On the "no effect on Buhari" if strike goes on..

While it is difficult to understand, if you're a student, it is better to have improvement in the Universities than rush to graduate generation of half backed graduates. We have science based students/graduates who can't operate a microscope or a spectrophotometer., yet they want to graduate & become the leaders of tomorrow. If as a leader Buhari ignores the need for students to be in school, then the FG should enjoy the consequences of idle youths roaming the streets. This FG would also be remembered for consequent ripple effect of it's actions of today.

Finally the need for money to celebrate Christmas is a little less significant. Prior to Salah, salaries weren't paid. So nothing spectacular.

Prophet, let me rest small, Lol. Later.

ProphetM0hammad:

FG will agree with any demand made by ASUU, but everything is on paper. ASUU should get ready for 3 years strike, with no pay of course.

Hahaha...if you know the number of ASUU members that have moved on, you no go believe. No salary earner can run a home for 6,7,8 months without salary, yet without alternatives. Online book sales, online videos in areas of expertise, research grants, field research, NGO jobs are few survival alternatives. Not to mention that most Nigerians are street to the core...the hustle is on. Academia no be civil service...Lol

ProphetM0hammad:

What are some of those consequences?
Ngige should negotiate with them and offer them two months salary.

Let me first start by letting you know that a lecturer's job is tripartite in nature which consists of teaching, research and community service. During strike, only the teaching aspect is withdrawn, a lecturer is supposed to carry on with the other two. Most lecturers actually do research and community services during strike.

Now, after the strike is suspended, lecturers work double or more to try to bring the academic calendar back to normalcy though it might take a couple of uninterrupted academic years. To achieve this, lecturers won't go on annual leaves and some other leaves.

In addition, the lecturers who have enrolled under IPPIS are not being owed any salary.

With the above points, you should be able to at least guess some the consequences.

There are two extreme scenarios: truncation of the unfinished academic year and legal action.

ProphetM0hammad:

When they were working nobody held back their salaries.
If they want salaries, they should go back to work. Even the Bible supports it that whoever doesn't work must not eat.

You need to be mindful that teaching is just 10% - 40% (my estimates based on a medium sample size) of an academic's work.
While lecturers leave the classrooms and boardrooms during strike actions, their researches still continue. So, yeah, unless you have evidence that lecturers have stopped doing research or publishing in 2020, I'd say they've been working.

Mind you, this is just to set the records straight. We aren't necessarily begging for salaries. Other than pitying my students, I wouldn't be bothered if the FG decided to sit on my salaries for one more year. Many of us are above such threats.

Ibegtodiffer:


Hahaha...if you know the number of ASUU members that have moved on, you no go believe. No salary earner can run a home for 6,7,8 months without salary, yet without alternatives. Online book sales, online videos in areas of expertise, research grants, field research, NGO jobs are few survival alternatives. Not to mention that most Nigerians are street to the core...the hustle is on. Academia no be civil service...Lol

Most of them are just getting by. Nothing beats a steady income like a federal government salary, some in state universities are cashing out with admission runs.
The difference is clear, the ones that have truly moved on are the ones that have migrated.
Most are looking forward to the big payday and they even thought they've made an headway last week.

OBASANJO WULD AV GOT THEM SACKED OR REPLACED!WHY IS FG ALLOWING THIS BODY TO HOLD HER INTO RANSOM?

proffemi:


You need to be mindful that teaching is just 10% - 40% (my estimates based on a medium sample size) of an academic's work.
While lecturers leave the classrooms and boardrooms during strike actions, their researches still continue. So, yeah, unless you have evidence that lecturers have stopped doing research or publishing in 2020, I'd say they've been working.

Mind you, this is just to set the records straight. We aren't necessarily begging for salaries. Other than pitying my students, I wouldn't be bothered if the FG decided to sit on my salaries for one more year. Many of us are above such threats.

Do you also have any evidence that lecturers have not stopped researching and publishing?


I think that's your personal situation, and the more appropriate one should be some or few of you. Biodun has come out to cry several times that Lecturers can't go back to class on empty stomachs. Looking at the situation of things in the country, it's certain that withholding salaries will affect majority of the lecturers one way or another.

flemsy15:
This should be the longest ASUU strike I can remember... Whatever it's, they should settle it once, even if it lasts a year... so they don't come back after 8 months and embark on strike for the same thing. They started dis discussion during Jonathan's tenure, gone to strike many times already for it

You are obviously a young man/woman...

During the military era (especially during Babangida and Abacha regimes, starting with Babangida) ASUU strike, when Dr. Attahiru Jega was ASUU National President, lasted over 11 months! In fact, under Abacha, ABU Zaria was shut for 14 months (ONE YEAR & TWO MONTHS!!!) and students in that era lost 2 academic sessions- 1994/1995 and 1995/1996 (the two sessions were cancelled!).

The truth is, anyone who went to school during the military went through hell.

There was no National Assembly to apply pressure on the Government, human rights activists were hounded, jailed, and killed (some bombed out of existence during Abacha's regime!), newspapers were shut and proscribed regularly (Punch, Guardian, defunct Sketch, etc suffered this fate and huge losses), there was no social media (Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, etc, etc); there were no smart phones (in fact there were NO PHONES AT ALL, we all used to queue at NITEL's public offices to make calls and everyone heard your conversation- a very harrowing experience it was!) to record anything; there was HUGE FEAR in Nigeria...

Democracy, with its faults, is FAR BETTER!

ProphetM0hammad:
Do you also have any evidence that lecturers have not stopped researching and publishing?

Yes, I do. You could also try a Google Scholar search if you wish.

I think that's your personal situation, and the more appropriate one should be some or few of you. Biodun has come out to cry several times that Lecturers can't go back to class on empty stomachs. Looking at the situation of things in the country, it's certain that withholding salaries will affect majority of the lecturers one way or another.

Nobody is saying that withheld salaries are not affecting lecturers. I'm just letting you know that this is not a group of people that the government can threaten with hunger. Most lecturers are resourceful enough to find effective coping strategies. Those who are not will be helped by colleagues.

Have a good day.

ProphetM0hammad:

That's for them to find out. After all they claim to be great researchers.
Some if not most of them were instrumental in getting people like Buhari and Adamu to their present positions. I don't understand why suddenly they expect them to show great love and commitment to western education.

This strike won't end the usual way, i don't think the Government is ready pay ASUU for going on strike, at most they will offer them one or two months Salaries.

You no get talk.

DTaj:


You are obviously a young man/woman...

During the military era (especially during Babangida and Abacha regimes, starting with Babangida) ASUU strike, when Dr. Attahiru Jega was ASUU National President, lasted over 11 months! In fact, under Abacha, ABU Zaria was shut for 14 months (ONE YEAR & TWO MONTHS!!!) and students in that era lost 2 academic sessions- 1994/1995 and 1995/1996 (the two sessions were cancelled!).

The truth is, anyone who went to school during the military went through hell.

There was no National Assembly to apply pressure on the Government, human rights activists were hounded, jailed, and killed (some bombed out of existence during Abacha's regime!), newspapers were shut and proscribed regularly (Punch, Guardian, defunct Sketch, etc suffered this fate and huge losses), there was no social media (Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, etc, etc); there were no smart phones (in fact there were NO PHONES AT ALL, we all used to queue at NITEL's public offices to make calls and everyone heard your conversation- a very harrowing experience it was!) to record anything; there was HUGE FEAR in Nigeria...

Democracy, with its faults, is FAR BETTER!

Very soon, this particular strike will hit a year and might surpass ABU record of 14 months.

Your generation didn't get it bad as ours.

Microphones does not have a voice of its own but the voice of the person using it, please stop blaming the microphone for saying rubbish but the user... The two ministers you called now are just the microphone... The main Person you are suppose to call is Chilling in ASO Rock. He is the principal cause. Thank you.