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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by rollywise(m): 10:02am On Jul 19, 2021
Oh I didn't know there are discarded parts if the Bible. The one I bought has both old and new. I'll ask you, are you saying there was no church in the time of Jesus? Are you saying temples were built with burrowed stones? Do you know people paid tithes and offerings in the time of Jesus?









sangresan:



So, the church of Christ was in existence during the time Malachi was written?

You haven't read where Jesus said he came to establish a new covenant with the people?

You're referring to eras of 'temple worship' when sacrifices were burned at the temple in Jerusalem. They had a priestly order who collected those tithes.

But Jesus sacrificed himself to establish a new priestly order.

I will ask you again: who collected tithes from Paul, Peter, and John?

Sit down and read your Bible pls.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by rollywise(m): 10:05am On Jul 19, 2021
Facts pain this one. The poor argue with anything giving. Hmmm.... The poor will die poor while the rich will get richer. Lol











Wickedfact:


When less intelligent beings like you are cornered with superior arguments, you shout don't judge.
Church buildings are NOT built with tithes and offerings. All churches in Nigeria collect special offerings, pledges and stuff for building. There is no church that erected buildings with tithes and offerings.
Talking about someone selling his land, if you had knowledge of the Bible and not doing houseboy to a backslider, you will know that Ananias was not punished for not giving all the proceeds, he was punished for LYING that he gave all.
Bible, you don't know. Sense, you don't have. That is why Satan finds it easy to use your lives to play tennis.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by sirdick17: 10:07am On Jul 19, 2021
Wickedfact:


When less intelligent beings like you are cornered with superior arguments, you shout don't judge.
Church buildings are NOT built with tithes and offerings. All churches in Nigeria collect special offerings, pledges and stuff for building. There is no church that erected buildings with tithes and offerings.
Talking about someone selling his land, if you had knowledge of the Bible and not doing houseboy to a backslider, you will know that Ananias was not punished for not giving all the proceeds, he was punished for LYING that he gave all.
Bible, you don't know. Sense, you don't have. That is why Satan finds it easy to use your lives to play tennis.


Smile.....go easy on him now
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by DAMN99: 10:08am On Jul 19, 2021
David ibeyeomi, david adeboye and the list goes on are business men y'all should have already known this before now..the fact say dem go offer you POS if you no get cash for tithes shows how desperate they are to get the bag.. their mission is to secure the bag..life must be really hard
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Halo22: 10:11am On Jul 19, 2021
This one really off me. What is then the difference between church and bank?
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Image123(m): 10:13am On Jul 19, 2021
rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.

The call ended. undecided
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Vmotors: 10:14am On Jul 19, 2021
This is why God never ordained organization or so called denominations in christiandom . It's the product of Roman Catholic doctrine right from the Nicene council of Rev 2 . The halot is roman Catholic while the denominational churches are the children. Satan has gotten into this churches and made it lukewarm , naked , blind and miserable . No life in these churches again just business centres and Baal worship . God have mercy .The prophet for this Laodicea church age William Marrion Branhams already exposed all these denominations since 1946-1965 that is why they hate him.
Go to www.branhams.org and read his sermons you will get the true picture of the times and season the church is now.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by roddy15: 10:17am On Jul 19, 2021
Be shepherds of God’s flock that is among you, watching over them not out of compulsion, but because it is God’s will; not out of greed, but out of eagerness; 1 Peter 5:2
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by mabea: 10:18am On Jul 19, 2021
Halo22:
This one really off me. What is then the difference between church and bank?
Nothing wrong with the decision of the church. I hate static people who don't make progress in what they do
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Image123(m): 10:20am On Jul 19, 2021
roddy15:
Be shepherds of God’s flock that is among you,
watching over them not out of compulsion, but
because it is God’s will; not out of greed, but out
of eagerness; 1 Peter 5:2

Shepherd wey dey behave like hireling, na sack he dey find.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by richmond500: 10:22am On Jul 19, 2021
Henrydonland:
That is why I don't carry church on my head, I'd rather pray in my house.
everyone knows its the money, u think the church have a record of how many new members come weekly? All the calculate is the money
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by phemmyfour: 10:23am On Jul 19, 2021
kiwi007:

Yes it can if you only trained me to work in your company alone. A God called pastor can easily start his/her church after been sacked by a commission but a trained particular commission pastor without God's calling but only Papa's anointing oil on their head might find it difficult to move ahead
Are engineers trained to work in a particular organization alone? Even the apostles left Jerusalem and Judea

If you're truly called, God ll make provision for your vision. Tunde Bakare started from deeper life

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by MrBONE2(m): 10:23am On Jul 19, 2021
rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.
cheesy

Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by hardbody: 10:23am On Jul 19, 2021
iamdapsyj:


Get understanding bro......yes, he is fired but he can continue is pastoring ministry but not with Living Faith. That is what that letter is saying.

Its just like sacking someone from a job doesn't mean they cannot continue their professional life. I honestly think this doesn't need arguments.

Na them sabi jo!!

No it doesn't. He is fired from living faith for poor performance or returns. He can commence his pastoring ministry elsewhere, either by working with another commission or going solo, same as in the secular world. No difference.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by fortune1968: 10:24am On Jul 19, 2021
phemmyfour:
He's still a pastor. He was sacked has "pastor in charge"
If he is still a pastor and was only sack as pastor in charge , then , something is wrong with the commission and Oyedepo for being disgruntled with a man God has ordained .
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by mabea: 10:24am On Jul 19, 2021
rollywise:


Facts pain this one. The poor argue with anything giving. Hmmm.... The poor will die poor while the rich will get richer. Lol] How you people reason at times is sickening. Who actually is the rich. Can any church stand without finances? The very church building that you lots enjoy to loathe, who is enjoying it? The pastor alone or the members who worship there?











Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by phemmyfour: 10:26am On Jul 19, 2021
fortune1968:
If he is still a pastor and was only sack as pastor in charge , then , something is wrong with the commission and Oyedepo for being disgruntled with a man God has ordained .
Exactly, it's between him and God
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by sangresan(m): 10:30am On Jul 19, 2021
rollywise:
Oh I didn't know there are discarded parts if the Bible. The one I bought has both old and new. I'll ask you, are you saying there was no church in the time of Jesus? Are you saying temples were built with burrowed stones? Do you know people paid tithes and offerings in the time of Jesus?











Ogbeni, do you even understand the Bible you read?

There is the old testament pertaining to the covenant of God with the Israelites and there is the new testament that reveals the purpose of God for mankind.

Church of Christ was established based on the teachings of Christ and it began after the death and resurrection of Christ. He commanded his disciples to wait for the Holy Spirit who would teach them all things and it came to pass on the day of the Pentecost. That's when Peter rose up courageously to defend the faith. Remember that Jesus said he would build his Church on the 'Rock'.

So there was no church of Christ when Jesus was still around. They were still going to the temple to worship. But when Jesus died, the temple's curtain was torn and the inner sanctuary became open. The temple would later be destroyed by the Roman army later to fulfill Jesus prophecy.

So, offering tithes and sacrifices isn't a Christian doctrine. You're only obliged to offer what you can afford willingly and not compulsively.

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by richmond500: 10:30am On Jul 19, 2021
CodeTemplar:


Growth means growth. The church has been on a church growth mission for the past 6 years and everybody knows it is about souls. Even muslims know this simple fact.
go to porthrcourt state church and hear the state pastor preach, he is always on give to church, give to pastors so u could receive supernatural blessing, I left the church because of the give to pastors and give to church bla bla.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Chibuking1402(m): 10:32am On Jul 19, 2021
Kobojunkiee:
If this is all about God, why measure this church growth you speak of? undecided

Did God say "church growth" is of importance? Did God assign anyone "kingdom advancement" tasks, assuming here you are referring to God's Kingdom of not Man's kingdom? undecided

What is oyedepo's labour in this? the growing of His kingdom/business here on earth or some assignment that God assigned him in secret? undecided
Read your Bible in book of Matthew where Jesus use the parable of a Master that gave his 3 servant talents. Read the account of what happened to the one that refused to grow and nuture his own rather he hid it and when the master returned, he was stripped of the talent and cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and suffering..
Yes....the church is right...Growth is Paramount, if a pastor fail to increase his talent he should be sacked...it's biblical
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by richmond500: 10:33am On Jul 19, 2021
Ishilove:
This is the reason why I wanted to see the letter before commenting. Church growth index is not the same as 'income generation' or whatever the heck was circulating on the internet.
go to portharcourt and hear the state pastor preach in Dline, 80% of his preachings is all about money money and money
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by fortune1968: 10:33am On Jul 19, 2021
ogaemma:
I hope they give them their pay off and benefits.
The hustle is real.
If you still think the churches of now are days is for soul winning or prepare people for heaven, then you are a MUGU.
You will be surprised that such churches are more satanic and inhumane than Mr . Satan himself , nothing like playoff is mentioned here despite the fact that the sacked employee have families to keep . They don't know God they claim to serve .
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by CodeTemplar: 10:35am On Jul 19, 2021
richmond500:
go to porthrcourt state church and hear the state pastor preach, he is always on give to church, give to pastors so u could receive supernatural blessing, I left the church because of the give to pastors and give to church bla bla.
what is his name? Isaac?
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Audaite: 10:35am On Jul 19, 2021
Church work may get KPI...I hail thee!!....You are either winning for Jesus or winning for the devil!
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Wande22(m): 10:39am On Jul 19, 2021
WibusJaga:
Nothing wrong with appraising the performance of pastors & reposting them. Even Christ in the Parable of Talents did same.

However, the title & tone of the letter is rather hash. Letter of Redeployment would have prevented all this controversy & negative publicity.
Abeg manage anyone for me

Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by richmond500: 10:40am On Jul 19, 2021
ELKHALIFAISIS:
You see the reason why I said I will will never go any if these shrines owned by Nigerian... what are they even teaching there Salvation has been with me since I stopped going to church... you too can find Salvation even in your toilet
find any house on the rock church and make sure u attend the 5:30 Sunday service

U will thank me, even if u don't like church like me, u will enjoy this one
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by sangresan(m): 10:40am On Jul 19, 2021
Chibuking1402:

Read your Bible in book of Matthew where Jesus use the parable of a Master that gave his 3 servant talents. Read the account of what happened to the one that refused to grow and nuture his own rather he hid it and when the master returned, he was stripped of the talent and cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and suffering..
Yes....the church is right...Growth is Paramount, if a pastor fail to increase his talent he should be sacked...it's biblical

So, who is the master being referred to here?

Oyedepo or Jesus?

In the passage, the servants are judged by the master when he returned....They don't say that the servants are judged by fellow servants....

Don't forget that all Christians are mere servants in the vineyard of God...

These controversies arise due to the fact that many people don't know the history behind the separation of the clergy from the laity.

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by richmond500: 10:41am On Jul 19, 2021
CodeTemplar:
what is his name? Isaac?
exactly, pastor Isaac folaji
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by rhektor(m): 10:42am On Jul 19, 2021
blamingthedevil:

Interpret "growth index" for us

Might be losing members or not increasing members
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by kingxsamz(m): 10:43am On Jul 19, 2021
Ceenachi:
Read the letter well, it didnt say money, but church growth. May be members have been leaving or the church hasn't been growing which means, they don't go out for evangelism and do kingdom advancement prayers.
They didnt sack them cause of money but for church growth.
I'm not a member of winners but read the letter very well before concluding and say its cause of money

Oyedopo grew d church and should not keep idiots in d name of pastors to destroy his labour in d vein yard of God.

If u are pastor in Assemblies of God they will give u demotional transfer .

If u must be a pastor preach to ur family members and people in ur street gradually u will have a congregation again

Church growth.
Are they trying to win the Muslims over or they are trying to win members of other churches? grin
All the churches for Nigeria neva do dem. grin
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Acidosis(m): 10:45am On Jul 19, 2021
Tekzyflex:


The work of God is not a business center. Seriously, we are drifting from what Christianity stands for and what Christ stands for. You cannot force a horse to drink water.

The Kingdom of God is a business. There are more than 20 parables (parable of the talent, fig tree, etc) in the bible you can read up for proper understanding. Even the parable of the 10 virgins gives us an idea of time and resource management.

If you're not profitable to yourself and the kingdom, you're wasting your time.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by kingxsamz(m): 10:46am On Jul 19, 2021
Ceenachi:


Oyedopo grew d church and should not keep idiots in d name of pastors to destroy his labour in d vein yard of God.


This one even reffered to "supposed men of God" as Idi0ts.... grin grin grin
Christians.

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