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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Rossinkipp: 9:08pm On Aug 24, 2021
owagbeba:


There are so many other states that have become successful despite having a colonial legacy. Many of them are by far better than Nigeria. South Africa comes to mind.

You see, I don’t think we should pin our failure to develop on British rule. I really don’t see the correlation between the red mud, pot-holed road that I take to work everyday and the colonial episode.

What I see if a fat prikk in government who has gotten a contract to fix this damn road but has decided to do nothing and buy a Benz with the funds; and share the remainder with his goons. Even if I write several petitions against him... it amounts to nothing, waste of time. He is my problem.. not the Brits.


You are a kid who sees the world through the eyes of a toddler.

Here's one thing you need to understand.

Colonialists did not have uniform interests in all the countries they invaded. In South Africa their interest was to develop the country and not loot all its export proceeds. A major reason was because their people settled there in their millions. starting from the early 1800s.

That was why South Africa had its first universities and power stations as early as the 1800s, while in Nigeria the same colonialists refused to build a single university or power station till they left in 1960, leaving poor Tafawa Balewa to build and commission our first power plant, Kainji Dam, in 1964.

So by the 1940s, SA was already a developed country, while Nigeria was a bush, courtesy of British colonial looting of our resources.

So it is very unintelligent to say ''oh, country x was colonised as well'' without investigating the actual policies of the colonial regimes in those places. In black Africa, it was pure exploitation and looting, which was why virtually every black African nation started from scratch in the 1960s after independence, and is playing catch-up with the world today.

As for that untarred road you see and think of a corrupt Nigerian leader, look at it this way. When the British ruled you, that place was a FOOTPATH, not a road.

Today, most of you can drive to your villages on wide, motorable roads. COURTESY OF BLACK RULE.

In the colonial days, first there very few cars or buses, and second, a FOOTPATH led to your village, so whatever vehicle got you near there would stop at the nearest point to your village, and you would disembark and walk for three days or more to your village.

So thank your lucky stars that Nigerian leaders came to power and actually began clearing all those footpaths and created wide, motorable ROADS that you are now moaning about because they are not all ''tarred'' as of yet.

Dumbass ingrates.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by IDENNAA(m): 9:10pm On Aug 24, 2021
nengibo:


You must have notice that the Towns, Titles and Naming are in a language foreign to Igbo , names like Jubojubo(Anglicized to Jaja), Opubo(Opobo),Minima, Ogolo, Fubarakuro,Patesi, Daminabo, Asiparabietogha(Anglicized to Cyprian) , Titles like Amanyanabo, Senibo, Alabo, Amaopuorubo etc , this language like its people is called Ibani egere and is still spoken till today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2M_KnhUXxw

https://www.facebook.com/Ibigonialagbariya/videos/767126173380101/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBNxu9SSUpc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJOzDKQ6A_o

https://www.ethnologue.com/language/iby

Onicha and Idemmili towns also adopted Bini titles like Ozoma/Osoma(Bini Esogba ) , Iyasele ( Bini Iyasere) , Akpe Olodi etc. As you can see , neighbors borrow titles from each other.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Bonesking(m): 9:19pm On Aug 24, 2021
Eastlink:
Now if we check Bonny oral history as told by themselves. This they also told the British. They left Ndoki through the Imo river to their present location in Bonny. Infact when they got there, they named the vast Island Okoloma. Okoloma is one of the villages in Ndoki. This tells you that the Bonny ancestors gave Bonny her name after their homeland in Ndoki. Okoloma might also mean several things in Ndoki.

Interestingly, Okoloma is the native name for Bonny just like Eko is to Lagos. And as those in Lagos, Bonny people still call their home Okoloma.

Consequently, the leader of the Ndoki people who led the party that founded this Island went by the name Okpara Ndoli. Okpara in Igbo means first son. Ndoli is his native Igbo name. So it meant he was the head of his clan. Again among those that joined him were Ndoki sons like Asimini, Opuamakuba and Alagbariya.

Opuamakuba = Opuama (Community cap) + Ka (Greater) + Uba (Wealth). So Opuamakuba in Ndoki means the Royal Cap of the community is greater than wealth.

Asimini = Azu + Mini meaning back of the water or the other side of the river in central Igbo. Azu is back in Igbo, like Azuka, Azubike and Azukiwe (Azikiwe). Asi is the variant in Ndoki.

Alagbariya is another name with Igbo meaning. Ala means land or earth. Alagbariya might mean Ala is stronger. Like Ahiriya a praise name to call something or somebody strong. It means one you cannot overwhelm or win in Ndoki, Bonny and Opobo.

So all the parties in the foundation etc are all Ndoki native names. All Bonny indigenes trace their ancestry to these men. These are the original houses in Bonny. However, a few house was created along the line to absord some hinterland Igbo slaves and also some Ijo migrants.

Asimini was the first true King of Bonny. He heralded Bonny greatness and till date his children have remained Kings. The house of Halliday and Pepple who ruled Bonny trace their ancestry to Asimini.
I applaud your efforts for discerning the meaning of the names of the Bonny founder. I have always known the Okpara Ndoli is Ndoki and Asimini by virtue of the Mini there, but I never kept time to dig deeper at the roots of the other names to find out the meaning that you got. I guess I was too busy connecting the dots with my local dialect which was why I found it hard to see it.

In all good job for this. Did you study language in school, looking at how you dug at the root words to find the meaning in Igbo? The names are truly Igbo to my surprise.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Eastlink(m): 9:55pm On Aug 24, 2021
IDENNAA:


In Idemmili where I come from and Onicha Obi/Obu is called Iba...Igbo is quite diverse
Cool. Good one. It's called Obi in my place.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by AfricanColumbus: 9:59pm On Aug 24, 2021
Eastlink:
Cultural borrowing. The Ijaws who were traditionally sea dwellers and who relied on fish for sustainability migrated enmass to the eastern flank. The explosion of Ijaw population in the Niger-Delta might have seen much cultural borrowing which influence Bonny and other coastal communities in the Niger-Delta, such as the Andoni, Obolo, Ogbia, Okrika, Nembe, Degema, and Ilaje etc.

Ijaw original homeland just like Ogoni is located in the present Togo/Ghana area. Some historians say that Ijaws came to their present location as porters with the Portuguese. While other historians say that Ijaws are the aboriginal people in what is known as the southern part of Nigeria. But looking at the both version, one will flow with the Togo/Ghana origin of the Ijaws. That's because every southern ethnic group in Nigeria are inter-related in language except the Ijaws.

Great!
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by owagbeba: 10:15pm On Aug 24, 2021
Rossinkipp:


You are a kid who sees the world through the eyes of a toddler.

Here's one thing you need to understand.

Colonialists did not have uniform interests in all the countries they invaded. In South Africa their interest was to develop the country and not loot all its export proceeds. A major reason was because their people settled there in their millions. starting from the early 1800s.

That was why South Africa had its first universities and power stations as early as the 1800s, while in Nigeria the same colonialists refused to build a single university or power station till they left in 1960, leaving poor Tafawa Balewa to build and commission our first power plant, Kainji Dam, in 1964.

So by the 1940s, SA was already a developed country, while Nigeria was a bush, courtesy of British colonial looting of our resources.

So it is very unintelligent to say ''oh, country x was colonised as well'' without investigating the actual policies of the colonial regimes in those places. In black Africa, it was pure exploitation and looting, which was why virtually every black African nation started from scratch in the 1960s after independence, and is playing catch-up with the world today.

As for that untarred road you see and think of a corrupt Nigerian leader, look at it this way. When the British ruled you, that place was a FOOTPATH, not a road.

Today, most of you can drive to your villages on wide, motorable roads. COURTESY OF BLACK RULE.

In the colonial days, first there very few cars or buses, and second, a FOOTPATH led to your village, so whatever vehicle got you near there would stop at the nearest point to your village, and you would disembark and walk for three days or more to your village.

So thank your lucky stars that Nigerian leaders came to power and actually began clearing all those footpaths and created wide, motorable ROADS that you are now moaning about because they are not all ''tarred'' as of yet.

Dumbass ingrates.

I really can’t fathom why two gentlemen can not have a nice chat with differing opinions WITHOUT INSULTS on NL?

Are you guys paid to do this or what? I don’t get it. It’s uncouth to display this level of crassness.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Christistruth00: 10:23pm On Aug 24, 2021
DoggoneDogg:


What tribe is your landlord??

Yoruba


Like the real owners of Lagos

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by velocity25(m): 11:14pm On Aug 24, 2021
nsiba:
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A slave made mighty by his masters
you mean this? grin grin

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by BluntCrazeMan: 11:37pm On Aug 24, 2021
AVECDEO:


He tried to resist the imperial/colonial high handedness and the pilfering natives resources to enrich and develop European industries at the start of the industrial age.

He had nonopoly/controlled of the Palm Oil market which the colonialist detested particularly the Royal Nigerian Company a British chartered company.

He was said to be one of the richest African of that Era and an astute businessman which the imperialist found baffling.

He was also one of the earliest African who saw through the heart of the wicked white man...so he resisted them and they didn't like "him".

He was indeed a great man.

I don't know why history is not thought in Nigerian school.

How do we discover ourself when we don't know where we are coming from...
If there happen to be any History on King Jaja,, you might end up thinking he is a villain..
Because, most history we read here in Nigeria are written by the Brits for the Brits.
And we copy them and paste into our curriculum.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Idiko1: 12:36am On Aug 25, 2021
BiafraInc:




The names of people and places you listed are for the few Ijo migrants in Opopo. Watch the video below to hear the names of the original owners of the land, the Igbos, and their dialect in Opobo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYOOWbKeFB8




The dude threw out many names during his speech none was Ijaw name.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by realstars: 1:34am On Aug 25, 2021
DubaiLandLord:
History was not cancelled in secondary schools by the APC.
That was 2016.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by leofab(f): 1:35am On Aug 25, 2021
tommy589:


Hitler saw his Aryan race superior to other whites,wonder what would become of black race if he succeeded conquering the brits grin

When you read of the British past you can't just stop shaking your head. Pirates got knighted after enriching the queen coffers with looted valuables
the brits was the saving grace for resisting…
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by akilo1: 1:44am On Aug 25, 2021
AVECDEO:


He tried to resist the imperial/colonial high handedness and the pilfering natives resources to enrich and develop European industries at the start of the industrial age.

He had nonopoly/controlled of the Palm Oil market which the colonialist detested particularly the Royal Nigerian Company a British chartered company.

He was said to be one of the richest African of that Era and an astute businessman which the imperialist found baffling.

He was also one of the earliest African who saw through the heart of the wicked white man...so he resisted them and they didn't like "him".

He was indeed a great man.

I don't know why history is not thought in Nigerian school.

How do we discover ourself when we don't know where we are coming from...
May God bless your memory

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by nengibo: 6:38am On Aug 25, 2021
IDENNAA:


Onicha and Idemmili towns also adopted Bini titles like Ozoma/Osoma(Bini Esogba ) , Iyasele ( Bini Iyasere) , Akpe Olodi etc. As you can see , neighbors borrow titles from each other.
Now is this the mindset of someone willing to learn, what's the relationship between Onicha and Ibani kingdoms with titles in Ibani language which neighbor are you talking about, two different places with no history of contact or are you saying Onicha have a living dialect different from Igbo language, you have made a serious fallacy.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by nengibo: 6:43am On Aug 25, 2021
jimyjames:

I can see you know nothing about this topic and you are arguing blindly from what you read on internet why are you avoiding me?
Well let me enlighten you a little,
First of all, you are looking at OSU from an igbo unity empire, igbos never had a United empire like the benins, hausa's yoruba's etc such never existed
Igbos were made up of different clans and these clans had different beliefs rituals and taboos that differ from each other

An OSU from one igbo clan will not be regarded as an OSU in another igbo clan
One family can consider another family as OSU but not an entire clan
A man will commit abomination in his clan and be banished he will take refuge in another clan and will not be an OSU in that clan, someone banished amongst his people can take refuge amongst his mothers people and won't be an OSU there

Some people made themselves OSU amongst their people by joining secret cults and bind themselves with oaths that made them OSUs amongst their people, families of chief priests that served some particular gods were OSUs cause of some certain oaths they were under. I can go on and on

Igbo Unity came to be as a result of the colonizers whom found it easier to conquer ethics groups under United empire's with rulers
Hope you understand? I can go further if you still don't get it

You can whitewash all you can , the discuss is not of Igbo unity but on slavery in Igbo land.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by nengibo: 7:04am On Aug 25, 2021
Idiko1:


The dude threw out many names during his speech none was Ijaw name.
The song in the video is Igbo language abi?
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by jimyjames(m): 11:17am On Aug 25, 2021
nengibo:

You can whitewash all you can , the discuss is not of Igbo unity but on slavery in Igbo land.
The discussion is about a slave becoming a king and turning his masters to his subjects grin that's what king Jaja did
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Idiko1: 11:29am On Aug 25, 2021
nengibo:

The song in the video is Igbo language abi?

I heard Igbo words from the song.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Idiko1: 11:32am On Aug 25, 2021
nengibo:

You can whitewash all you can , the discuss is not of Igbo unity but on slavery in Igbo land.

You should mindful that a word in Igboland could denote more than one thing.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Nobody: 9:30pm On Aug 25, 2021
owagbeba:


There are so many other states that have become successful despite having a colonial legacy. Many of them are by far better than Nigeria. South Africa comes to mind.

You see, I don’t think we should pin our failure to develop on British rule. I really don’t see the correlation between the red mud, pot-holed road that I take to work everyday and the colonial episode.

What I see if a fat prikk in government who has gotten a contract to fix this damn road but has decided to do nothing and buy a Benz with the funds; and share the remainder with his goons. Even if I write several petitions against him... it amounts to nothing, waste of time. He is my problem.. not the Brits.


the African state is barely a state to begin with
The state should have a certain degree of autonomy to have legitimacy & African states don't have that. This is because of the state of development & the character of our ruling class.


Our bourgeoisie don't have an economic base. It is the foreign bourgeoisie who control technology and capital flow in African states.
So the way in which the local bourgeoisie extract wealth is political control, to access, collaborate with, and profit from, foreign exploitation.
The contradiction of political and economic power means that African elites only have access to wealth accumulation through political power and because of this, the fight to hold political power takes on a life or death nature. And whichever faction wins power utilizes the state—
— in their immediate interest.
This leads to a paradox that traps us in stagnation. That sort of environment stifles capitalist development because the state is non-autonomous.
This is a contradiction of neocolonial capitalism. The African local bourgeoisie need capitalist —
—development. But their struggle for wealth accumulation stifles it. This then leads them to exacerbate things like ethnic antagonism for support. But it also sharpens poverty which drives up mass discontent against them as we ruling class, making ready the conditions for revolt—
—& instability. This instability, again, stifles capitalist development. Which they sorely need to maintain their legitimacy

Africa's social formations are trapped in this dilemma. The ruling class needs to, but yet cannot allow, capitalism to develop further.


This contradiction also means the state cannot properly mediate conflict. It is a win or be kicked to the curb battle for control.
The lack of resources and commodity penetration also means that people have to organize welfare for themselves. This happens through ethnic groups.
This is especially so in capitalist enclaves(cities with industrial development & proliferation of wage work).
Because of this, ethnic solidarity penetrates the proletariat class and diffuses class consciousness which should ordinarily be piping hot given our economic conditions.
The peasants are even worse off. Despite the fact that capitalism has destabilized their social system, it has not gone further to develop the productive forces. So they, who are a majority of Africa, are trapped in a colonial proto-capitalist system in varying stages of decay.
When there is revolt, the ruling class intervenes directly in their own class interest. And this, counter-intuitively, stifles capitalist development. Because it keeps the working class underdeveloped as a social force.
NEOCOLONIAL CAPITALISM IS RIDDLED W/ INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS
It is no wonder that African rulers act as if they are in a state of siege; it is no wonder that energy is concentrated on the struggle for power to the neglect of everything else, including the development of the productive forces.

If we want to free Nigeria from this stage of stagnation we most adopt socialism with naija characteristic!
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Nobody: 9:37pm On Aug 25, 2021
Rossinkipp:


Every time, ''Hong Kong, Singapore''. Those were specially chosen client states of the west, chosen by colonialists after WW2 to be capitalist bulwarks against rampaging Soviet communism.

The west after WW2 gave the four or five Asian 'tiger' states free access to western markets, free technology transfer, outright financial grants and highly favourable loans to create capitalist, industrialised states to keep communist Soviets at bay.

To know the REAL southeast Asia, go to Cambodia, Burma (Myanmar), Nepal, Bangladesh, North Korea, etc. Those countries are poorer than many African nations. That is how those Asian Tigers would be without the western intervention, decades ago.

You have sense. I’m very surprised to see Nigerian socialist. Hopefully our views become popular because our people are lost and misguided. �
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by owagbeba: 10:50pm On Aug 25, 2021
Hueman:


the African state is barely a state to begin with
The state should have a certain degree of autonomy to have legitimacy & African states don't have that. This is because of the state of development & the character of our ruling class.


Our bourgeoisie don't have an economic base. It is the foreign bourgeoisie who control technology and capital flow in African states.
So the way in which the local bourgeoisie extract wealth is political control, to access, collaborate with, and profit from, foreign exploitation.
The contradiction of political and economic power means that African elites only have access to wealth accumulation through political power and because of this, the fight to hold political power takes on a life or death nature. And whichever faction wins power utilizes the state—
— in their immediate interest.
This leads to a paradox that traps us in stagnation. That sort of environment stifles capitalist development because the state is non-autonomous.
This is a contradiction of neocolonial capitalism. The African local bourgeoisie need capitalist —
—development. But their struggle for wealth accumulation stifles it. This then leads them to exacerbate things like ethnic antagonism for support. But it also sharpens poverty which drives up mass discontent against them as we ruling class, making ready the conditions for revolt—
—& instability. This instability, again, stifles capitalist development. Which they sorely need to maintain their legitimacy

Africa's social formations are trapped in this dilemma. The ruling class needs to, but yet cannot allow, capitalism to develop further.


This contradiction also means the state cannot properly mediate conflict. It is a win or be kicked to the curb battle for control.
The lack of resources and commodity penetration also means that people have to organize welfare for themselves. This happens through ethnic groups.
This is especially so in capitalist enclaves(cities with industrial development & proliferation of wage work).
Because of this, ethnic solidarity penetrates the proletariat class and diffuses class consciousness which should ordinarily be piping hot given our economic conditions.
The peasants are even worse off. Despite the fact that capitalism has destabilized their social system, it has not gone further to develop the productive forces. So they, who are a majority of Africa, are trapped in a colonial proto-capitalist system in varying stages of decay.
When there is revolt, the ruling class intervenes directly in their own class interest. And this, counter-intuitively, stifles capitalist development. Because it keeps the working class underdeveloped as a social force.
NEOCOLONIAL CAPITALISM IS RIDDLED W/ INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS
It is no wonder that African rulers act as if they are in a state of siege; it is no wonder that energy is concentrated on the struggle for power to the neglect of everything else, including the development of the productive forces.

If we want to free Nigeria from this stage of stagnation we most adopt socialism with naija characteristic!

Good day bro. Nice proposition.

Do you think socialism will work in this country? Even at the grassroots it appears we seem to lack the necessary cohesion to make a functional social system. If we take a critical look at market unions in Nigeria. Despite no government control of their activities, they are so dysfunctional and corrupt. The leadership of these unions is no different from the political leadership we have “ruining” the country.

To keep this short, I think we may need that “one-strong-man” leadership to set the nation on the right course. Even if we may finally practice democracy, but I tend to believe that a “Mao’s” approach might be necessary for us as a nation.

Have you ever taking the time to consider Rwanda and her strong man leadership? Kagami has done a lot right in shaping the course of the nation.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by BiafraInc: 11:23pm On Aug 25, 2021
musicwriter:


First of all, the population of both Singapore and Hong Kong are less than the population of Lagos state. You could find some local government area (LGA) in Nigeria that are bigger than Singapore. So it's not a good example to judge things in this case because it would be very misleading. However, if you cut out Victoria Island or Bonny Island both here in Nigeria, they'll match Singapore and Hong Kong. In that case we can also say Nigeria is doing well.

Having said that, be informed that the wealth in Hong Kong and Singapore belong to foreign investors not the natives. The citizens of those countries are just people who could be rented to work in factories for Europeans, Chinese, Americans. The citizens of both countries are highly trained to work for foreigners in their country. As a matter of fact, foreigners once outnumbered Singaporean citizens in their own country!! Those countries are much like South Africa. The wealth there belong to foreigners.
You are one of thr half-educated idiots. What connection does population have with development hindrance? The Gambia is under 3 million, they are one the poorest countries in the world. Japan is about 140Million and the most developed country in Asia. Only this two examples should change your brain and way of thinking if you are actullay human and not a cow.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by musicwriter(m): 7:54am On Aug 26, 2021
BiafraInc:

You are one of thr half-educated idiots. What connection does population have with development hindrance? The Gambia is under 3 million, they are one the poorest countries in the world. Japan is about 140Million and the most developed country in Asia. Only this two examples should change your brain and way of thinking if you are actullay human and not a cow.

Before you jump into a discussion to insult someone make sure you understand the context of what's being said. And as far as education goes, I don't see anything that shows you went to school at all simply by the way you speak.

Get this ........

The gap between population of Gambia and Japan is huge. Gambia's population is below 3 million, while Japan is doing over 126 million. However, it's true that development can't be solely hinged on population alone.

If you want to know why Japan developed while Gambia didn't, read the book on the link on my signature.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by A001: 12:48pm On Aug 26, 2021
musicwriter:


Before you jump into a discussion to insult someone make sure you understand the context of what's being said. And as far as education goes, I don't see anything that shows you went to school at all simply by the way you speak.

Get this ........

The gap between population of Gambia and Japan is huge. Gambia's population is below 3 million, while Japan is doing over 126 million. However, it's true that development can't be solely hinged on population alone.

If you want to know why Japan developed while Gambia didn't, read the book on the link on my signature.
Still awaiting your reply.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Nobody: 12:22am On Aug 27, 2021
owagbeba:


Good day bro. Nice proposition.

Do you think socialism will work in this country? Even at the grassroots it appears we seem to lack the necessary cohesion to make a functional social system. If we take a critical look at market unions in Nigeria. Despite no government control of their activities, they are so dysfunctional and corrupt. The leadership of these unions is no different from the political leadership we have “ruining” the country.

To keep this short, I think we may need that “one-strong-man” leadership to set the nation on the right course. Even if we may finally practice democracy, but I tend to believe that a “Mao’s” approach might be necessary for us as a nation.

Have you ever taking the time to consider Rwanda and her strong man leadership? Kagami has done a lot right in shaping the course of the nation.

Socialism will work in this country. The workers need to take back productive capital from the hands of corrupt capitalists so we can use it to enrich our communities. China and TSAR Russia once dealt with backward feudalism like we are currently dealing with, they broke these chains when they dismantled capitalism. They industrialized in less than a decade. Although the USSR is gone we can still learn from them. Look at how strong and powerful China is today. I respect these countries because they are able to become extremely powerful without the use of colonialism or imperialism unlike western Europe and America. It shows an alternative path for us to take as Africans. We can learn from them! We need to build up a very strong socialist party in Nigeria, so we can create a movement. The goal isn't to get elected or you will end up like sowere who is obsessed with getting power. The goal is to radicalize and educate the working masses. We need to wake up their class consciousness. We need to educate them on why this system of capitalism sucks. We need to show them how imperialism is holding us back. A genuine revolution does not merely change the faces of those in government, it radically changes the power set up, not just political power but economic power. It uproots the economic system, placing the material resources of the country under the control of those who actually produce the wealth, i.e. the workers and peasants. The conditions for a radical movement are already here. When you create a strong party. You meet the needs of the people, through free education, food, jobs, etc... They will back and support you when you get more power. The reason why religion is so big in Nigeria is that they are the only social institutions for the average Nigerian. But the church does not offer the radical change that is needed to fix Nigeria. It is socialism that does! If you cannot create a movement that works nobody will join you. You can say capitalism is bad all you like but if you dont feed the poor they will not listen to you. The usual Nigerian narrative is to go inside and change the system from the inside. We both know that it doesn't work. As socialists, we build power from the outside so we can exert our strength against the Nigerian government.

I am doing research on Nigeria's trade union. I have found out that the British played a role in defanging and corrupting our unions. It is going to be hard to fix these messes that they have made, but we will.

Mao's approach is interesting and must be studied however, it needs to be done in a way that makes sense for our material conditions. We need to study pan-African philosophy because the psychology of colonialism has messed us up. We don't need our movement being lead by people with European consciousness. That is what our leaders have, why do you think they happily destroy their culture and country in service for the oyinbo man. The fact that they use their blood money to buy European art, architecture, and fashion is a reflection of a weak Afrikan consciousness. We should learn from Mao, but we should also learn from Nkrumah and Walter Rodney. Chinas revolution made sense for them because of their material condition, our socialism should be done with Naija characteristics. grin

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by owagbeba: 7:46am On Aug 27, 2021
Hueman:


Socialism will work in this country. The workers need to take back productive capital from the hands of corrupt capitalists so we can use it to enrich our communities. China and TSAR Russia once dealt with backward feudalism like we are currently dealing with, they broke these chains when they dismantled capitalism. They industrialized in less than a decade. Although the USSR is gone we can still learn from them. Look at how strong and powerful China is today. I respect these countries because they are able to become extremely powerful without the use of colonialism or imperialism unlike western Europe and America. It shows an alternative path for us to take as Africans. We can learn from them! We need to build up a very strong socialist party in Nigeria, so we can create a movement. The goal isn't to get elected or you will end up like sowere who is obsessed with getting power. The goal is to radicalize and educate the working masses. We need to wake up their class consciousness. We need to educate them on why this system of capitalism sucks. We need to show them how imperialism is holding us back. A genuine revolution does not merely change the faces of those in government, it radically changes the power set up, not just political power but economic power. It uproots the economic system, placing the material resources of the country under the control of those who actually produce the wealth, i.e. the workers and peasants. The conditions for a radical movement are already here. When you create a strong party. You meet the needs of the people, through free education, food, jobs, etc... They will back and support you when you get more power. The reason why religion is so big in Nigeria is that they are the only social institutions for the average Nigerian. But the church does not offer the radical change that is needed to fix Nigeria. It is socialism that does! If you cannot create a movement that works nobody will join you. You can say capitalism is bad all you like but if you dont feed the poor they will not listen to you. The usual Nigerian narrative is to go inside and change the system from the inside. We both know that it doesn't work. As socialists, we build power from the outside so we can exert our strength against the Nigerian government.

I am doing research on Nigeria's trade union. I have found out that the British played a role in defanging and corrupting our unions. It is going to be hard to fix these messes that they have made, but we will.

Mao's approach is interesting and must be studied however, it needs to be done in a way that makes sense for our material conditions. We need to study pan-African philosophy because the psychology of colonialism has messed us up. We don't need our movement being lead by people with European consciousness. That is what our leaders have, why do you think they happily destroy their culture and country in service for the oyinbo man. The fact that they use their blood money to buy European art, architecture, and fashion is a reflection of a weak Afrikan consciousness. We should learn from Mao, but we should also learn from Nkrumah and Walter Rodney. Chinas revolution made sense for them because of their material condition, our socialism should be done with Naija characteristics. grin

The most difficult in all these is attaining class consciousness amongst the populace. I reckon this indeed will require, as had in the past, a person or persons with good standing and eloquence to speak truth to hearts and minds of the people; to awaken them. This is a no easy task considering how quick we are to attack the messenger and not heeding the message.

You know there was this popular belief that BUBU would be the needed messiah during 2015 elections to “set” the course right for the nation. The “strong man” who charts the way for the nation, dismantling the feudal cultures of our bourgeoisie class. People had faith. Newspaper points at bus stops were packed with folks chanting the “sai baba” mantra as a class awakening phenomenon. Indiscipline took a back seat at the early months of 2015. The feudal lords did a runner or remained mute and inactive in the political scene for fear of BUBU. It was indeed a chance to take back this nations from the hands of these marauding political lords. It was a chance we lost!

The people are yearning for this “change.” This is the reason Igboho and Kanu seems to be popular amongst a setting grass root class. But sadly both don’t have what it may take to awaken the hearts and mind of our people.

When you look these countries like South Korea, Singapore, China, present Russia etc., they all had / have a “strong-man” government helping chart the course of their nation.

PS: I don’t mean strong men like Biya of Cameroon, Obiang of Guinea. Those are feudal lords.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Nobody: 2:08pm On Aug 27, 2021
owagbeba:


The most difficult in all these is attaining class consciousness amongst the populace. I reckon this indeed will require, as had in the past, a person or persons with good standing and eloquence to speak truth to hearts and minds of the people; to awaken them. This is a no easy task considering how quick we are to attack the messenger and not heeding the message.

You know there was this popular belief that BUBU would be the needed messiah during 2015 elections to “set” the course right for the nation. The “strong man” who charts the way for the nation, dismantling the feudal cultures of our bourgeoisie class. People had faith. Newspaper points at bus stops were packed with folks chanting the “sai baba” mantra as a class awakening phenomenon. Indiscipline took a back seat at the early months of 2015. The feudal lords did a runner or remained mute and inactive in the political scene for fear of BUBU. It was indeed a chance to take back this nations from the hands of these marauding political lords. It was a chance we lost!

The people are yearning for this “change.” This is the reason Igboho and Kanu seems to be popular amongst a setting grass root class. But sadly both don’t have what it may take to awaken the hearts and mind of our people.

When you look these countries like South Korea, Singapore, China, present Russia etc., they all had / have a “strong-man” government helping chart the course of their nation.

PS: I don’t mean strong men like Biya of Cameroon, Obiang of Guinea. Those are feudal lords.



I always ask those ethnic nationalists "how will your new country be systemically different from Nigeria?" I don't hear anything from them grin cheesy. Don't tell the Biafra crowd that if they got their new state they would have been a client state for the french lol grin If more people were politically educated they would not fall for reactionary movements like this. It is very disappointing that Nigerians went out in drove to vote for Buhari when he used to be a military dictator. The day we get good leader things will clear in the consciousness of Nigerians.

I think one of the most effective ways to spread class consciousness is through liberation theology. Liberation theology analyzes oppressive social structures in light of the gospel. It is a belief that interprets Jesus's actions, words, and teachings through a focus on fixing social injustice, particularly poverty in the world. It seeks to liberate the poor from the social circumstances that has lead them to be poor. It tends to be critical of passive Christians and emphasizes Christ's role as a mortal social transformer with a radical anti-institution agenda. Liberation theology was used by Martin Luther King during the civil rights movement. Just listen to his sermon and compare it to Adeboye. You will notice a stark difference. Islam also has its own version of liberation theology too.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by owagbeba: 10:25pm On Aug 27, 2021
Hueman:


I always ask those ethnic nationalists "how will your new country be systemically different from Nigeria?" I don't hear anything from them grin cheesy. Don't tell the Biafra crowd that if they got their new state they would have been a client state for the french lol grin If more people were politically educated they would not fall for reactionary movements like this. It is very disappointing that Nigerians went out in drove to vote for Buhari when he used to be a military dictator. The day we get good leader things will clear in the consciousness of Nigerians.

I think one of the most effective ways to spread class consciousness is through liberation theology. Liberation theology analyzes oppressive social structures in light of the gospel. It is a belief that interprets Jesus's actions, words, and teachings through a focus on fixing social injustice, particularly poverty in the world. It seeks to liberate the poor from the social circumstances that has lead them to be poor. It tends to be critical of passive Christians and emphasizes Christ's role as a mortal social transformer with a radical anti-institution agenda. Liberation theology was used by Martin Luther King during the civil rights movement. Just listen to his sermon and compare it to Adeboye. You will notice a stark difference. Islam also has its own version of liberation theology too.

Considering the fact that these so called “men of god” have bastardized the core teachings of biblical theology, do you really think the people would give heed to liberation theology?

Don’t you think our religious divide between the north and south would hinder the propagation of this liberation gospel? Our current feudal lords could use the divide and rule tactic by compelling the northern Muslims that this liberation gospel is of Christian origin or vice versa.

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