Christistruth00:



How do you cope with these Biafran Land grabbers that are always doing long Throat for Opobo and Bonny that was never theirs

As of Yesterday one IPOB faction was trying to Claim Ijebu Igbo in Ogun State and Ilaje Ugbo in Ondo State

Mkpuru Miri has bad Side effects

Do you remember when they do claim Lagos is no man's land?

The most funny thing about all this is when they start telling you there will be a referendum in Bonny and Opobo

Some Igbos on this Nairaland are just so dull

Even if there will be a referendum in Opobo and Bonny, is not an Igbo man from Anambra or Imo wey go suggest am, is left for the Ibanis.

There are written down laws about how this things are done.

Bonny and Opobo can never be part of igbo land, cause they do not even share boarder with any igbo town.

DubaiLandLord1:
Do you remember when they do claim Lagos is no man's land?

The most funny thing about all this is when they start telling you there will be a referendum in Bonny and Opobo

Some Igbos on this Nairaland are just so dull

Even if there will be a referendum in Opobo and Bonny, is not an Igbo man from Anambra or Imo wey go suggest am, is left for the Ibanis.

There are written down laws about how this things are done.

Bonny and Opobo can never be part of igbo land, cause they do not even share boarder with any igbo town.

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If you see how they went all out to rewrite the History of Lagos to no avail
To the extent of Claiming Lagos was not Yorubaland posting fake News and fake fabricated History everywhere

Their people have been living and doing well in Lagos. For decades why are they trying to spoil good things for them

IPOB even attacked Lagos during Endsars

christistruth01:


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If you see how they went all out to rewrite the History of Lagos to no avail
To the extent of Claiming Lagos was not Yorubaland posting fake News and fake fabricated History everywhere

Their people have been living and doing well in Lagos. For decades why are they trying to spoil good things for them

IPOB even attacked Lagos during Endsars

Igbos are just so funny people.

Even their politicians go dey laugh at their foolishness.

If Nigeria divide, igbo land will be landlock

All this talk of Opobo and Bonny been igbo land start and end on Nairaland.

Jaja of Opobo dey keep talking about was ijawnise by the ijaw. Jaja of Opobo might have been born an Igbo man, he was sold as a slave to the ijaws in Bonny, but was later ijawnise by the Ijaws.

I've been to Bonny and Opobo before, never have I seen them claiming to be igbo.

You can always tell when people of low intelligence grace any platform. They will just dumb down the whole engagements and reduce it to toutish ramblings.

Let the the person up there finish quoting himself with his two monikers, I will upload more.

JANK23H:

And you just ranted like what?
Why the obsession with Opobo and Bonny?
What have you done with your land?


On the contrary,if you've had time to go through this thread,you'd see the Igbo are the haughty ones.

Igbos are irrelevant in the scheme of things,and we don't give a flying Bleep about them.There are no Igbo kith and kin in those areas you mentioned.Get you brains out of your asse.s.

In summary, you guys are suffering from post civil war syndrome. And here's the analysis.

"Post civil war syndrome": a mental construct which makes a particular groupf of people become paranoid with every little information they get from the opposition to continue the trend they were set in.

This is to say, when the Nigerian Navy were instructed to prevent Igbos from having sea, becuase that was some of the means they could get milk and proteinous diet. The Ijaws found it their responsibility to do the same as soon as the Igbos got back to Nigeria.

They now find it their responsibility to still prevent the Igbos from having that access, because they believe this is still the civil war.

What you guys need is some form of reorientation, because living like this would only place you people below poverty and anguish. So, dear one, stop following the mental disabilities of your forefathers, you can change the trend and set a pace for yourself.

AlexBells:

How could you tell who sold who and who did not by remotely staying here today, you can't prove that the Ijaws never sold Igbos, it was a business and anyone can participate, unless you don't care about the truth but if the notion that Ijaws never sold Igbos serve you right, hold on to it and observe it like a ritual but I believe at one point, Ijaws must have engaged or facilitated slave trade,

The two school of thought have every propensity but without ego you should be able to decipher the truth, King Jaja was an Ijaw thats a truth

You obviously were not in existence during the slave trade era, so where did you get the notion that Ijaws sold igbo slaves, from Asari Dokubo I guess.

Someone would lived through the period in question and actively participated in slavery has rendered a well documented account of what transpired, but folks like you won't read or research. The typical African. You would rather regurgitate what comes off your head and pass the ignorance to your children.

The author said igbo chiefs in Bonny set people up with their wives and victims eventually pay a fine or become slaves. Does it occur to you in this circumstance that anybody could become a slave (which the author confirmed) including the Brass people. So should we say igbos sold Brass slaves?

You summed up with King Jaja being ijaw, the same Ijaw the author did not meet/see in Bonny 10years before Jaja's birth.

We are here to analyze facts and not figment of people's imagination. Thanks

Umu ekwnsu from the south west have already invaded this thread with their usual nonsense. These devil's incarnate will not dispute the historical facts that was presented here o, but the usual tirades. You see this ofe nmanu people, fa bu the real snake in the green grass. fan'cha nine bu enemies by default. tufiakwa!

ThickSharon123:



In summary, you guys are suffering from post civil war syndrome. And here's the analysis.

"Post civil war syndrome": a mental construct which makes a particular groupf of people become paranoid with every little information they get from the opposition to continue the trend they were set in.

This is to say, when the Nigerian Navy were instructed to prevent Igbos from having sea, becuase that was some of the means they could get milk and proteinous diet. The Ijaws found it their responsibility to do the same as soon as the Igbos got back to Nigeria.

They now find it their responsibility to still prevent the Igbos from having that access, because they believe this is still the civil war.

What you guys need is some form of reorientation, because living like this would only place you people below poverty and anguish. So, dear one, stop following the mental disabilities of your forefathers, you can change the trend and set a pace for yourself.

The guy you are wasting this long post on is from Bayelsa. He doesn't have any say when it comes to this discussion.

The unification have been going on for the past few years now. Read this, this is a joint brotherly reunification of the highest

9Pluto:


You obviously were not in existence during the slave trade era, so where did you get the notion that Ijaws sold igbo slaves, from Asari Dokubo I guess.

Someone would lived through the period in question and actively participated in slavery has rendered a well documented account of what transpired, but folks like you won't read or research. The typical African. You would rather regurgitate what comes off your head and pass the ignorance to your children.

The author said igbo chiefs in Bonny set people up with their wives and victims eventually pay a fine or become slaves. Does it occur to you in this circumstance that anybody could become a slave (which the author confirmed) including the Brass people.

You summed up with King Jaja being ijaw, the same Ijaw the author did not meet/see in Bonny 10years before Jaja's birth.

We are here to analyze facts and not figment of people's imagination. Thanks

This is not figment of my imagination, I read it earlier how the Portuguese equiped the coastal people with Weapons and alcohol which they kidnapped people from the hinterland and sold, the Ijaws which you would figure out are not originally a people but today they prefer to be a people despite that they are a collection of the different nationality of the East,

Now to your question, there are some things I don't really want to say but these people albeit being Igbo abd other neighbouring tribes has assigned themselves a new identity and they were actually engaged in these whole crime and which includes kidnapping and selling slaves, account by white travellers is not enough, there should be archeology to it,

You recognise that there are a people called Ijaw abd I don't in the real sense of it, but I don't quite say much on that topic but with all the studies that you had personally made bare, it do seem that when you realise the eventual truth you would not speak any further and then you ask who are the true Ijaws, what is their origin ?

AlexBells:

This is not figment of my imagination, I read it earlier how the Portuguese equiped the coastal people with Weapons and alcohol which they kidnapped people from the hinterland and sold, the Ijaws which you would figure out are not originally a people but today they prefer to be a people despite that they are a collection of the different nationality of the East,

Now to your question, there are some things I don't really want to say but these people albeit being Igbo abd other neighbouring tribes has assigned themselves a new identity and they were actually engaged in these whole crime and which includes kidnapping and selling slaves, account by white travellers is not enough, there should be archeology to it,

You recognise that there are a people called Ijaw abd I don't in the real sense of it, but I don't quite say much on that topic but with all the studies that you had personally made bare, it do seem that when you realise the eventual truth you would not speak any further and then you ask who are the true Ijaws, what is their origin ?

Whatever information you think you have have, post screenshots here. It will help our learning and either prove or dispute certain claims. When you say coastal people you need to be specific. Yoruba, Itshekiri, Oron, Efik and Igbo(according to the author) people are coastal people.

If accounts by white travellers isn't sufficient, is it gossips you would relly on? You do not need any archeological finding or even DNA test in the case of Bonny and Opobo. If you have not been to both places before, go and watch youtube videos. Listen to to language they speak, the physical features, mannerism and tradition (masqurades, age grade etc)

Recent studies have proven that a lot of assumed truth are fallacies without historical backup.

9Pluto:
A lot of debates or arguments have been going on mainly between(igbos and ijaws) about the identity of Bonny and Opobo people. So much that lots of indigenes are confused about their own identity. The reason for this is not far fetched. The igbo language is an indigenous language in both places and while most inhabitants bear English names, some bear ijaw names and few still retain their igbo names. However, I will try to be as neutral as possible while I implore you to be a little objective as we embark on this historical fact check.
Most of the arguments in my opinion have been nothing more than mere conjectures. For instance, ijaw people claim the igbo language spoken in both places is foreign or creolized version while trying to force inhabitants to start learning an entirely new language different from their mother tongue. There are also claims that igbo language was the language of igbo slaves the ijaws were trading. It is surprising how this eventually became an indigenous language making it the first of such incidence on the African continent. Even Freetown in Sierra Leon didn't experience such change neither did Calabar another important slave port on the Gulf of guinea.

We have also seen both igbos and ijaws trying to make their own interpretations of what they think must have happened and as such both groups twist words to have meanings in their their own language.
For example:
Ndoki-ndoki/aminadokiari
Ibani-ubani/ibani/igbani
Ama-Ama
Amanyanabo-Ama onye nabo/
It might interest you to know that the title Amanyanabo use by ijaws originated from Bonny. The igbo interpretation means, “The town/community of 2 kings/persons”.
Bonny traditionally had 2 kings as documented by Captain Hugh and he was friends with both men who held him in high esteem.
King Pepple and King Holiday were both kings that reigned in Bonny at the same time.


To understand the reality of who Bonny and Opobo people are I would be rellying on the Memoirs of Captain Hugh Crow of Liverpool(1765-1829) and I implore any true son of Bonny or Opobo to consult this book or any other one written before it to really find out their identity. If you do not have much time, you can read from chapter 10, however reading the whole book gives a huge insight into slavery. It is important to note that while the author confirmed Eboes/igbos as natives of Bonny, there was no mention or acknowledgement of ijaws. But I am using my discretion to assume that the ijaws were the Brass people as the author asserts that they came from the Brass country which is located North West of Bonny.

Impotant dates:
Captain Hugh Crow of Liverpool(1765-1829)
King Jaja of Opobo 1821-1891
Technically King Jaja was born 12 years after slave trade was abolished.
Slave trade was abolished in 1809 by Sir Wilberforce.
Apart from being a popular slave merchant, Captain Crow(a.k.a Play man) was very popular with Kings and Natives of Bonny. He was so popular that he was invited to crown one of the Kings of Bonny at a time and he was regularly invited to help resolve palaver in the kingdom. He was captain of the last ship that left Bonny with slaves after slavery was abolished.

The author's memoir is insightful for many reasons:
It rendered a vivid account of what trans Atlantic slave trade looks like. In his assertions, slaves taken off the West African coast to America were better off than their countrymen left behind in Africa. During the period in review, whites were also slaves and most Britons including the author became prisoners of the French.

The author asserts that:
Bonny people are chiefly a mix of Eboe/Igbo and Brass/ijaw people.
He described/mentioned the igbo country in the hinterland and the brass country lying north-west of Bonny.
However, most of the details of daily living amongst the natives was more in tune with igbo lifestyle.
He talked about igbo native doctors he referred to as dibia and the enormous influence they wield in justice and health administration, even the kings respect them. He also described details of igbo marriage customs and funneral as observed in Bonny.
He talked about the use of elephant during the commemoration of King Pepple's father 10 years after the father's death. He mention the value of elephant tusk.
Contrary to conjectures that the name Pepple was European's attempt at pronouncing Perekule, the author asserts that Bonny people derived joy in bearing english names as he himself was responsible for crowning a King who he named after an English prince. An incident that excited the populace. He confirms that both King Pepple and King Holiday were igbos.
He described in detail the physique, including complexion and character of different tribes eboes, brass, appas, quaws, ottams etc

The author described one Chief Fubara who was an acquaintance of King Pepple. He asserts that Chief Fubara was not an indigene of Bonny but a stranger who migrated from his country during a crisis with a false claim that he was a warrior in his native country.

The author proved that ijaws were not selling igbo slaves as claimed in some quarters. According to him, everyone/every tribe was sold as slave. He described instances where some igbo chiefs set people up with their beautiful young wives and victims eventually pay a fine or become slaves. He explained the reason why more igbo slaves were sold. They were more relatable to Europeans than most other tribes.

Captain Hugh is credited with one of the earliest attempt to create an Eboe/igbo dictionary.
The author asserts that Opobo is an Igbo name for male children.
He also said that natives are often marked according to their origin and that Bonny natives often have short cupped perpendicular markings on both sides of their temple(this is consistent with the igbo tribal mark).

He confirmed the existence of Cannibalism, that Andoni was considered a dangerous place to venture, the fact that Calabar people eat dog meat, the influence of Benin empire, that some Brass people were usually employed to make salt during dry season under the Benin empire amongst other things.

I was planning to post pages from his write up to buttress some points, unfortunately i cannot do so on this forum as it seems to permit posting only few images at a time. But i will post some.

CONCLUSION

Bonny and Opobo people are a mix of Eboe/Igbo and Brass/Ijaw people in origin. This document however asserts a more igbo origin or dorminance as most of his history of the ancient kingdom was about igbos(The word Brass appeared 14 times in the history of Bonny, while the word Eboe appeared 48 times). This perhaps explains the existence of the igbo language spoken there and the presence of igbo masqurades like nwaotam. Shalom

P.S: I am being challenged to prove that Brass people are Ijaw people, so I must state once more that this was an assumption on my part and it remains to be proven or disputed.

Would you then explain why pepple and crowther maintained that Bonny speaks the Bonny dialect instead of the Igbo dialect or any other dialect.
From your explanations, it entails Bonny was some sort of Lagos in those days with multiple tribes(I agree) but who owned Bonny?
We can't deny the fact that the yorubas owns Lagos, and Yoruba is spoken there even by other people.
This document from crowther and pepple should tell clearly that Bonny were owned by the okoloama people who spoke the okoloama dialect which is THE SAME EXACT LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN CALABARI.
This isn't hard for Bleep sake.
Lagos is what Bonny is in those days, and just as Lagos is owned by the Yoruba people, Bonny was known as okolo-ama by the ORIGINAL INDIGENES.

9Pluto:


Whatever information you think you have have, post screenshots here. It will help our learning and either prove or dispute certain claims. When you say coastal people you need to be specific. Yoruba, Itshekiri, Oron, Efik and Igbo(according to the author) people are coastal people.

Recent studies have proven that a lot of assumed truth are fallacies without historical backup.

I won't post things that are really upsetting, but those people you mentioned are all part of what was assimilated as the Ijaw we know today, they had already given themselves that identity, let them stay with it, otherwise, check out the people spearheading the Ijaw nationality, are they Ijaw?, 8 local government in Bayelsa,

Who are the true Ijaws, what tribe of people are Ijaws, where did they migrate from, who are their ancestors, what is their physical appearance if not a microcosm of all the neighbouring tribes, greater majority of them have Igbo related genetics, the real Ijaw people are just like Hausa, they are a very minute group in the real sense of it,

DNA sampling and Archaeology would reveal a lot secrets, colonial account is great but there are more to it, these people had been evolving for thousands of years

Among the ijaws, there were trading ports both for slaves either merchants, where there were ibos and ibibio admixtures. The ijaws of Okrika, Bonny, Buguma, Abonnema, Bakanna, Nembe, Brass etc are ascriptive and assimilationist in their culture.
Ibos were welcomed into the household and never referred to as slaves, instead they were" people of the house" (wari bio apu). The Kalabaris never referred to the ibos who were assimilated as slaves ( even though they were). They were members of the household who had rights as the biological children of the chiefs and in certain circumstances had more rights than the children of the chiefs or head of household.
The riverine chiefs traded extensively with ibos. They have large plantations, special markets and even "colonies" within all parts of iboland, hence the " Kalabari beach" in Oguta, Imo state.

Jaja was himself a slave, made a foreman by his master. He acquired considerable wealth and rebelled against Bonny. He was however defeated and expelled. The two groups of slaves in Bonny were ibos and ibibios. That Bonny spoke Pidgin or broken ibo testified to the large number of ibos there. Other nearby Bonny villages continued to speak ibani and do not speak Pidgin ibo to this day.

Alabo7978:

Would you then explain why pepple and crowther maintained that Bonny speaks the Bonny dialect instead of the Igbo dialect or any other dialect.
From your explanations, it entails Bonny was some sort of Lagos in those days with multiple tribes(I agree) but who owned Bonny?
This document from crowther and pepple should tell clearly that Bonny were owned by the okoloama people who spoke the okoloama dialect which is THE SAME EXACT LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN CALABARI.

Let me start by commending you for posting an interesting addition to this discourse. At first look, my literature is older than this one you post. Meanwhile, it would be necessary for you to mention the date and name of this publication for context. From my studies both Crowther and Jaja came after Crow had left Africa. Though Crowther was birthed earlier than Jaja.

Your post sorts of proof the igbo claim that Ubani/Ibani is an Igbo dialect.

Crow explicitly stated that Bonny people were Igbos and Brass. While acknowledging the presence or existence of Igbo, Breech, Brass, Quaw, Ottam, Appa slaves.

Let us also remember why both Crowther and Jaja though slaves themselves, they both ended up on the African continent.

Once more kindly names your source so we can look for more information to enrich or discourse.
Thanks.

Alabo7978:

Would you then explain why pepple and crowther maintained that Bonny speaks the Bonny dialect instead of the Igbo dialect or any other dialect.
From your explanations, it entails Bonny was some sort of Lagos in those days with multiple tribes(I agree) but who owned Bonny?
We can't deny the fact that the yorubas owns Lagos, and Yoruba is spoken there even by other people.
This document from crowther and pepple should tell clearly that Bonny were owned by the okoloama people who spoke the okoloama dialect which is THE SAME EXACT LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN CALABARI.
This isn't hard for Bleep sake.
Lagos is what Bonny is in those days, and just as Lagos is owned by the Yoruba people, Bonny was known as okolo-ama by the ORIGINAL INDIGENES.

Stop being clever by half. What is written there is OKOLOMA.

That upload is from MY BOOK, written by Baikie and Crowther, I uploaded it first!

Baikie was constructing names given to same same people by different tribes and in this section, he was even talking about Igbo subgroup. He was trying to resolve AMBIGUITY.

OKOLOMA is still in NDOKI TODAY!

Say it with me, OKOLOMA

Putindbutt:
Among the ijaws, there were trading ports both for slaves either merchants, where there were ibos and ibibio admixtures. The ijaws of Okrika, Bonny, Buguma, Abonnema, Bakanna, Nembe, Brass etc are ascriptive and assimilationist in their culture.
Ibos were welcomed into the household and never referred to as slaves, instead they were" people of the house" (wari bio apu). The Kalabaris never referred to the ibos who were assimilated as slaves ( even though they were). They were members of the household who had rights as the biological children of the chiefs and in certain circumstances had more rights than the children of the chiefs or head of household.
The riverine chiefs traded extensively with ibos. They have large plantations, special markets and even "colonies" within all parts of iboland, hence the " Kalabari beach" in Oguta, Imo state.

The Kalabaris were great merchants pre colonial period. I wonder how they lost that leading skill today to other groups.

9Pluto:


Let me start by commending you for posting an interesting addition to this discourse. At first look, my literature is older than this one you post. Meanwhile, it would be necessary for you to mention the date and name of this publication for context. From my studies both Crowther and Jaja came after Crow had left Africa. Though Crowther was birthed earlier than Jaja.

Your sorts of proof the igbo claim that Ubani/Ibani is an Igbo dialect.

Crow explicitly stated that Bonny people were Igbos and Brass. While acknowledging the presence or existence of Igbo, Breech, Brass, Quaw, Ottam, Appa slaves.

Let us also remember also why both Crowther and Jaja as slaves ended up on the African continent.

Once more kindly names your source so we can look for more information to enrich or discourse.
Thanks.

Don't commend him. Do you believe that Ijoh can bring anything original.. He stole it!

I uploaded it in a thread, that was just a section of the upload. I uploaded from my own very book.

That was just a section of the book.
Tell him to reference the book.
It was in the same book that King Pepple admitted he was of Igbo descent. in the book Crowther wrote alone, it was also clear in a letter Pepple wrote to the crown in London to bring Christianity. Pepple specifically mandated Crowther in coalition with a Rev at Onitsha (I will remember his name later) to create an Igbo Bible.

Now, why will the king of Bonny request for a church and Bible in Igbo language?

Ekealterego:


Don't commend him. Do you believe that Ijoh can bring anything original.. He stole it!

I uploaded it in a thread, that was just a section of the upload. I uploaded from my own very book.

That was just a section of the book.
Tell him to reference the book.

Noted bro.
I have already asked him to reference the book.

Putindbutt:
Among the ijaws, there were trading ports both for slaves either merchants, where there were ibos and ibibio admixtures. The ijaws of Okrika, Bonny, Buguma, Abonnema, Bakanna, Nembe, Brass etc are ascriptive and assimilationist in their culture.
Ibos were welcomed into the household and never referred to as slaves, instead they were" people of the house" (wari bio apu). The Kalabaris never referred to the ibos who were assimilated as slaves ( even though they were). They were members of the household who had rights as the biological children of the chiefs and in certain circumstances had more rights than the children of the chiefs or head of household.
The riverine chiefs traded extensively with ibos. They have large plantations, special markets and even "colonies" within all parts of iboland, hence the " Kalabari beach" in Oguta, Imo state.

Thanks for your kind submissions. However, for the purpose of this analysis, whatever you say should have a document/literature as proof so that we don't keep dwelling on fiction or hearsay.

Give us of your sources and dates.

Ekealterego:


Don't commend him. Do you believe that Ijoh can bring anything original.. He stole it!

I uploaded it in a thread, that was just a section of the upload. I uploaded from my own very book.

That was just a section of the book.
Tell him to reference the book.
It was in the same book that King Pepple admitted he was of Igbo descent. in the book Crowther wrote alone, it was also clear in a letter Pepple wrote to the crown in London to bring Christianity. Pepple specifically mandated Crowther in coalition with a Rev at Onitsha (I will remember his name later) to create an Igbo Bible.

Now, why will the king of Bonny request for a church and Bible in Igbo language?

Are these claims for real!!!
I am afraid this conversation will continue exposing a lot of fallacies.

Please, kindly let me have this literature so I can post it if you guys won't.
Thanks.

Wahala history dey sweetooo especially when is mixed with facts and true. Thanks guys I have learned a lot from here and I'm looking forward to learn more.

izac82:

The Kalabaris were great merchants pre colonial period. I wonder how they lost that leading skill today to other groups.

Colonial periods was characterized by power placements and artificial adjustments whereby minorities were shortchanged for the major tribes with large population and influence. Much of the gains of the minorities were erased and were made subjected to the whims and caprices of power shifters.

Ekealterego:


The guy you are wasting this long post on is from Bayelsa. He doesn't have any say when it comes to this discussion.

The unification have been going on for the past few years now. Read this, this is a joint brotherly reunification of the highest

Please what page uploaded this

9Pluto:


Noted bro.
I have already asked him to reference the book.

.
Even if his life depended on it, he can't.

In case you are interested for your own research. Here is it. Baikie worked on both the exploration and on resolving ambiguities. Many places and people had multiple names as given by multiple people.

"Narrative of an Exploring Voyage Up the Rivers Kwóra and Bínue (Commonly Known as the Niger and Tsádda) in 1854. with a Map and Appendices. Pub. with the Sanction of Her Majesty's Government." By William Balfour Baikie

Alabo7978:

Would you then explain why pepple and crowther maintained that Bonny speaks the Bonny dialect instead of the Igbo dialect or any other dialect.
From your explanations, it entails Bonny was some sort of Lagos in those days with multiple tribes(I agree) but who owned Bonny?
We can't deny the fact that the yorubas owns Lagos, and Yoruba is spoken there even by other people.
This document from crowther and pepple should tell clearly that Bonny were owned by the okoloama people who spoke the okoloama dialect which is THE SAME EXACT LANGUAGE SPOKEN IN CALABARI.
This isn't hard for Bleep sake.
Lagos is what Bonny is in those days, and just as Lagos is owned by the Yoruba people, Bonny was known as okolo-ama by the ORIGINAL INDIGENES.

The same Pepple told the man he is Igbo, told Captain Hugh the same thing, told the man New Calabar's king Amakiri is Igbo. Hence, the language spoken in his kingdom was Igbo. He described Fubara his acquaintance taking asylum in Bonny as a stranger.

So what is your argument really.

9Pluto:


Are these claims for real!!!
I am afraid this conversation will continue exposing a lot of fallacies.

Please, kindly let me have this literature so I can post it if you guys won't.
Thanks.

If not that I want to add sources that are as neutral as possible in this thread and from writers who explored the Niger first hand.
If I present the works of Beale Africanus Horton, in 1861 here, the Ijo people would have committed suicide since.

Ekealterego:
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Even if his life depended on it, he can't.

In case you are interested for your own research. Here is it. Baikie worked on both the exploration and on resolving ambiguities. Many places and people had multiple names as given by multiple people.

"Narrative of an Exploring Voyage Up the Rivers Kwóra and Bínue (Commonly Known as the Niger and Tsádda) in 1854. with a Map and Appendices. Pub. with the Sanction of Her Majesty's Government." By William Balfour Baikie

Thanks bro. I will definitely take a look and revert here before the week runs out.

Putindbutt:
Among the ijaws, there were trading ports both for slaves either merchants, where there were ibos and ibibio admixtures. The ijaws of Okrika, Bonny, Buguma, Abonnema, Bakanna, Nembe, Brass etc are ascriptive and assimilationist in their culture.
Ibos were welcomed into the household and never referred to as slaves, instead they were" people of the house" (wari bio apu). The Kalabaris never referred to the ibos who were assimilated as slaves ( even though they were). They were members of the household who had rights as the biological children of the chiefs and in certain circumstances had more rights than the children of the chiefs or head of household.
The riverine chiefs extensively with ibos. They have large plantations, special markets and even "colonies" within all parts of iboland, hence the " Kalabari beach" in Oguta, Imo state.

All the time Ijaw and Ijaw hopefuls talk about taking in Igbo slaves back then and treating them as household members like they were doing the slaves a favour. Well I have now read why they treated the slaves that way and it wasn't really about culture or even about doing the slaves a favour. They were doing that for the economic benefit. The slaves were needed to be given a higher status if the slave owner or chief was to make more.

It wasn't a favour

Ekealterego:

Stop being clever by half. What is written there is OKOLOMA.

That upload is from MY BOOK, written by Baikie and Crowther, I uploaded it first!

Baikie was constructing names given to same same people by different tribes and in this section, he was even talking about Igbo subgroup. He was trying to resolve AMBIGUITY.

OKOLOMA is still in NDOKI TODAY!

Say it with me, OKOLOMA

OKOLOMA

SlayerForever:



The same Pepple told the man he is Igbo, told Captain Hugh the same thing, told the man New Calabar and their king Amakiri is Igbo. Hence, the language spoken in both New Calabar and Bonny his kingdom was Igbo. He described Fubara his acquaintance taking asylum in Bonny as a stranger.

So what is your argument really.

Like the post originally stated Facts versus Fiction. If you read Crow's account you would be marvelled by the details. So so much you cannot dispute that facts. That book was written for the future.

It is my hope that the igbos in both Bonny and Opobo would now have the full confidence to start asserting themselves and stop believing some fraudulent claims of being immigrant slaves whose language was adopted.

Ekealterego:

If not that I want to source this as neutral as possible and from someone who explored the Niger first hand.
If I present the works of Beale Africanus Horton, in 1861 here, the Ijo people would have commited suicide since.

This is a no holds barred thread to dispute all conjectures, myths, fallacies and fictions with scotched-earth facts. Let us put it on record for now and the near future so people won't keep passing on lies to their descendants.

My neighbour who has a B.SC in history and international relations confessed he is excited about this facts.

So by all means submit all relevant literatures to support whichever part of the divide you approve.