MaxInDHouse:


It's the voice of the Archangel that will raise the dead and that's Jesus' voice! 1Thessalonians 4:16
All authority both in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus {Matthew 28:18} so leave the Muslims, all of them are walking corpse when Jesus returns, because they can't know God's will talkless doing it.

Mind you the highlighted is what people in general believes throughout all religions but that's not God's will!

i think the highlighted should be what God use to judge. Cause to be sincere if you're not Rooted in your Faith all this athiests will push you to their side.
Beside I often ask isn't a good person better than a religious person even though the good person might not believe in a God. Shouldn't it be wrong to condemn such good soul to hell? Remember Jesus in one of his parables talk about the acts that can make you see God or show you are holy. So if a good person does 90% of that act apart from beliveing there is a God part ...he will go to hell?



By the way, weather with An archangel voice or not as long as the person sounding the call is still Christ.

I guess you're a Jehovah withness?

What does this mean?

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MaxInDHouse:

During the time God made Moses a God does he deserves to be worshiped at all?
The answer is "NO!" But what about obedience? Well God dealt harshly with some Israelites simply because they challenged Moses's authority! Numbers 12:1-12

Thomas was a weak follower of Jesus so when Jesus knew that this faithful and obedient man needed to see some things before his faith could be strengthen Jesus put on the body with bruises to convince his weak friend that he (Jesus) is alive. But Thomas wasn't referring to Jesus as God, it was an exclamation out of amazement just as someone would see something unimaginable and scream:

"Oluwa o!"

"Ayélála!"


"My Lord and my God!" depending on what the person believes.

Jesus taught his followers to pray "in his name"

"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that WHATEVER YOU ASK THE FATHER IN MY NAME, he may give it to you" John 15:16.

Not to him!
All prayers must be directed to the father {Matthew 6:9} but in Jesus name!

This means the true God will not answer anyone unless you obey Jesus and do what he commanded! Matthew 17:5

How can a god like allah who makes committing of sins to be a condition for serving him, also be the same as the God of Judeo-Christianity which punishes sin?

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AntiChristian:


Since you call me of cos i will help you interpret.



Here you made the first mistake in red "Adoni" is different from "Adonai" though both comes the same root word they are pronounced differently. The verse is "Yahweh said to my "Adoni" not Adonai as you claim. And even if you check https://biblehub.com/psalms/110-1.htm "to my Lord" is translated from "Ladoni". And more so Lord and lord are created by the translators according to whatever they wish!

"Adoni" is used for human masters and lords and never God. Adoni was used in 195 times in the Old testament and it means a superior who is human and occasionally angelic, created beings but not God.
NB: "Adon" is the root word, "Adoni" is what is used for superior created beings like humans and angels (never for God) and "Adonai" is used for God and occasionally for elevated humans.

If you need the list of where "Adoni" used here for Jesus is used for human masters/lords I will write them for you.

David probably call Jesus lord as a form of respect. Jesus said of John the Baptist in Matthew 11:11 “Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist”. This is also for respect.



We Muslims believe Jesus to be a Prophet and not God or one of trinity!

1. Jesus prayed many times sometimes even putting his head on the ground to God.
2. Jesus called God his Lord. Do Lords have Lord?
3. Jesus said "I am not sent but to the lost sheep of Israel". This means he was a messenger as Muslims claim.

JESUS: A SERVANT OF ALLAH.

Matthew 23:8
‘But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your master, even Jesus, and all ye are brethren.”

Here it is clearly proved that Jesus was servant of Allah, and that there is only One Master and He is Allah. In the Arabic version of the Bible this verse has been translated so that Jesus is meant to be the master whereas the English rendering is nearer the original sense.

Matthew 23:9
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father which is in heaven.”

From this you will note that fatherhood and sonship is meant to be the relationship between the Lord and His servants: it is meant in a general sense and not specifically for Jesus.

Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”

Mark 13:32
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

This is a definite proof that the Final Hour is unknown to any but Allah, thus Jesus’ knowledge is imperfect like all other men; Allah Alone is All-Knowing, Omniscient.

Matthew 26:39
“And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.’ “

We note here that the person speaking is unaware of Allah’s Will and realizes the fact that he is a servant of Allah. He (Allah) Alone can cause the change.

JESUS IS A SERVANT OF ALLAH

1. Paul allegedly said in Romans 6:16:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

This means if we obey God then we are God's slaves!

2. Paul continues later in Romans 6:22:
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Here we see that those who have been set free from sins become slaves of God!

3. Luke also said in Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.

Here we see Jesus relegated to being a servant of God by Luke.

Allah says in the Qur'an that Jesus called himself a slave of Allah.
"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;"
Qur'an 19:30

So we see Jesus, righteous people are slaves/servants of Allah/God from the Bible and Qur'an!

Why would you call on people who worship a different god to resolve your misunderstanding of a Christian scripture?

Do you realize that the muslims you are calling have been told by their god that it is their duty to live a sinful life? Ask AntiChristian wether or not I'm lying

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ifiokjohn:
Have been reading the Bible and I came across psalm110 where King David made Reference to Two Lords. He said and I quote 'The LORD said to My Lord , sit thou at my hand until I make thing enemies thy footstool'. I went through what that means.
I got to know that in the Original hebrew of the psalm, The first "LORD"translate the Hebrew word Yahweh. GOD'S Convenant name. The second "Lord" translate the Hebrew word " ADONAI. A Title usually given to Yahweh in the old testament.

Now I'm asking this to understand who Jesus really is?. I remember Jesus asked the scribes this question. *if the Messiah is David's Son why then did David Call him Lord?" I'm still curious and want to know.

Because if that verse is true, it means Jesus is not just a prophet as our Muslim brothers will want us to believe.

I will like the Muslims to also contribute in this. Who is this Jesus that even a King Calls him "Lord". Not just Lord as in Lord. But a title that was reserve and used for Yahweh in the old testament. That is ADONAI.


Is this Jesus truly more than just a prophet?


Dear Muslims I need your reply to that verse and Jesus Question to the Scribes.

GreatAxeMan:

What does this mean?

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The verse you quoted was misinterpreted Sir!

To illustrate, imagine a supernatural event occurred and you asked about five different eyewitnesses to relate the experience for you.
This is how each will relate it:
Lord Krishna saved the day ~ Hindu
Allah rescued those involved ~ Muslim
Ọ̀ṣun helped them out ~ Ọ̀ṣun worshiper
Ayélála stepped in ~ Ìkálẹ̀/Ìlájé
Jesus saved them ~ Churchgoer

And it will continue due to what each person believes. The translators of the Bible you're using believe in the TRINITY so they interpreted that text as "WORSHIP" but in other versions it simply means "OBEISANCE" not worship!


So, quickly leaving the memorial tomb, with fear and great joy, they ran to report to his disciples. And look! Jesus met them and said: “Good day!” They approached and took hold of his feet and did obeisance to him. Matthew 28:8-9
The same thing has happened to servants of God in the past for example

And she came in and fell at his feet and bowed down to the ground before him, after which she picked up her son and went out. 2Kings 4:37

Why didn't the translators of the Bible you're using say the woman WORSHIPED Elisha?
Well it's because they feel Elisha shouldn't be worshiped, whereas it's exactly the same thing Jesus' disciples did to him.

So it's the custom of the people in the middle east to bow down to someone they revere yet it doesn't mean WORSHIP to them!

ifiokjohn:
i think the highlighted should be what God use to judge. Cause to be sincere if you're not Rooted in your Faith all this athiests will push you to their side.
Beside I often ask isn't a good person better than a religious person even though the good person might not believe in a God. Shouldn't it be wrong to condemn such good soul to hell? Remember Jesus in one of his parables talk about the acts that can make you see God or show you are holy. So if a good person does 90% of that act apart from beliveing there is a God part ...he will go to hell? By the way, weather with An archangel voice or not as long as the person sounding the call is still Christ.
I guess you're a Jehovah withness?

No matter how good, kind or nice a person is as long as he failed to accept Jesus as saviour he will perish!

A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good —except God alone. You know the commandments: ’You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’ " "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. THEN COME, FOLLOW ME." When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Luke 18:18-24

Please isn't this man a good person?
Why must he join Jesus' group before he could be saved?

Well it's because there's no way anyone can meet up with God's will if he is not a Christian!
So if you want to know what God's will means i'm still very much with you.

Yes! I am now one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

What about this?

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MaxInDHouse:

The verse you quoted was misinterpreted Sir!

To illustrate, imagine a supernatural event occurred and you asked about five different eyewitnesses to relate the experience for you.
This is how each will relate it:
Lord Krishna saved the day ~ Hindu
Allah rescued those involved ~ Muslim
Ọ̀ṣun helped them out ~ Ọ̀ṣun worshiper
Ayélála stepped in ~ Ìkálẹ̀/Ìlájé
Jesus saved them ~ Churchgoer

And it will continue due to what each person believes. The translators of the Bible you're using believe in the TRINITY so they interpreted that text as "WORSHIP" but in other versions it simply means "OBEISANCE" not worship!


So, quickly leaving the memorial tomb, with fear and great joy, they ran to report to his disciples. And look! Jesus met them and said: “Good day!” They approached and took hold of his feet and did obeisance to him. Matthew 28:8-9
The same thing has happened to servants of God in the past for example

And she came in and fell at his feet and bowed down to the ground before him, after which she picked up her son and went out. 2Kings 4:37

Why didn't the translators of the Bible you're using say the woman WORSHIPED Elisha?
Well it's because they feel Elisha shouldn't be worshiped, whereas it's exactly the same thing Jesus' disciples did to him.

So it's the custom of the people in the middle east to bow down to someone they revere yet it doesn't mean WORSHIP to them!

GreatAxeMan:
What about this?
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I told you:

MaxInDHouse:

It's the custom of the people in the middle east to bow down to someone they revere yet it doesn't mean WORSHIP to them!

Those people were Babylonians and they revere the newly born baby they saw a Star leading them to him as the King of the Jews!

It is the translators that rendered the text "WORSHIP" it simply means OBEISANCE!

And when they went into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and falling down, they did OBEISANCE to him. They also opened their treasures and presented him with gifts—gold and frankincense and myrrh! Matthew 2:11

What they had in mind from where they're coming was that the child will come from a royal family, that's why they first branched the palace of King Herod the great, their gifts would have made Herod feel highly privileged to have been the father of such a great child but he was disappointed because no baby was born in his palace during that period!

Who does this quotation from Hebrews 1 10 to 13 refer to?

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MaxInDHouse:


I told you:



Those people were Babylonians and they revere the newly born baby they saw a Star leading them to him as the King of the Jews!

It is the translators that rendered the text "WORSHIP" it simply means OBEISANCE!

And when they went into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and falling down, they did OBEISANCE to him. They also opened their treasures and presented him with gifts—gold and frankincense and myrrh! Matthew 2:11

What they had in mind from where they're coming was that the child will come from a royal family, that's why they first branched the palace of King Herod the great, their gifts would have made Herod feel highly privileged to have been the father of such a great child but he was disappointed because no baby was born in his palace during that period!

MaxInDHouse:


No matter how good, kind or nice a person is as long as he failed to accept Jesus as saviour he will perish!

A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good —except God alone. You know the commandments: ’You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’ " "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. THEN COME, FOLLOW ME." When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Luke 18:18-24

Please isn't this man a good person?
Why must he join Jesus' group before he could be saved?

Well it's because there's no way anyone can meet up with God's will if he is not a Christian!
So if you want to know what God's will means i'm still very much with you.

Yes! I am now one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

lol I knew you were one. Na una believe jesus is an ArcAngel. Lol
Jesus is not Micheal bro. Make Dem no deceive you abeg. Jesus is different from Micheal.

GreatAxeMan:
Who does this quotation from Hebrews 1 10 to 13 refer to?
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All these are written words that you will continue to argue about because you don't know the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of it.
So instead of all these questions stemming from a trinitarian dogma why not think about the WILL OF GOD?

Two persons are being referred to in those verses:

Paul is talking about the Almighty God and His Son whom He has given the authority to judge both the living and the dead. Psalms 110:1-3

Only verse 13 refers to God.

Who does the preceding verses 10 to 12 refer to?

MaxInDHouse:


All these are written words that you will continue to argue about because you don't know the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of it.
So instead of all these questions stemming from a trinitarian dogma why not think about the WILL OF GOD?

Two persons are being referred to in those verses:

Paul is talking about the Almighty God and His Son whom He has given the authority to judge both the living and the dead. Psalms 110:1-3

GreatAxeMan:

Only verse 13 refers to God.
Who does the preceding verses 10 to 12 refer to?

Paul is talking about the Almighty God and His Son whom He has given the authority to judge both the living and the dead. Psalms 110:1-3

God's Son Jesus Christ!

So now that you admit verses 10 to 12 refer to Jesus, answer this question: Who created the heavens and the earth according to Hebrews 1 10 to 12?

MaxInDHouse:




God's Son Jesus Christ!

GreatAxeMan:

So now that you admit verses 10 to 12 refer to Jesus, answer this question: Who created the heavens and the earth according to Hebrews 1 10 to 12?

Trinitarians and their myopic thinking!

I'll also ask you a question:

Who created the Skyscrapers, Helicopters, Aeroplanes, Speed train, Flying boats, Electricity, Telecommunication, Computers and many other things that came along with technology?


Well if you need to know everything is God's WORK!
He created and impact knowledge in those that created all this things.
So Jesus who was God's firstborn son (created) was given the wisdom to create all other things {Colossians 1:15-16} and before he came as a human he inspired Solomon to write about him:


Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water. Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth, When he had not yet made the earth and its fields Or the first clods of earth’s soil. When he prepared the heavens, I was there; When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters, When he established the clouds above, When he founded the fountains of the deep, When he set a decree for the sea That its waters should not pass beyond his order, When he established the foundations of the earth, Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time; I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men. Proverbs 8:22-31

Know today that Jesus (God's first work) was created and given the wisdom to make all other things. That's why the Grand creator says He made everything just as everything you can see now is to the glory of our Creator whereas humans were responsible for those things that came along with technology, yet to God be the glory and honour because He gave all of us (including Jesus) life! John 8:28

You haven't answered my question I want to know the identity of the person who is referred to as the creator of heaven and earth in Hebrews 1 10 to 12!
Just a name will suffice!

MaxInDHouse:


Trinitarians and their myopic thinking!

I'll also ask you a question:

Who created the Skyscrapers, Helicopters, Aeroplanes, Speed train, Flying boats, Electricity, Telecommunication, Computers and many other things that came along with technology?


Well if you need to know everything is God's WORK!
He created and impact knowledge in those that created all this things.
So Jesus who was God's firstborn son (created) was given the wisdom to create all other things {Colossians 1:15-16} and before he came as a human he inspired Solomon to write about him:


Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water. Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth, When he had not yet made the earth and its fields Or the first clods of earth’s soil. When he prepared the heavens, I was there; When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters, When he established the clouds above, When he founded the fountains of the deep, When he set a decree for the sea That its waters should not pass beyond his order, When he established the foundations of the earth, Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time; I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men. Proverbs 8:22-31

Know today that Jesus (God's first work) was created and given the wisdom to make all other things. That's why the Grand creator says He made everything just as everything you can see now is to the glory of our Creator whereas humans were responsible for those things that came along with technology, yet to God be the glory and honour because He gave all of us (including Jesus) life! John 8:28

GreatAxeMan:

You haven't answered my question I want to know the identity of the person who is referred to as the creator of heaven and earth in Hebrews 1 10 to 12!
Just a name will suffice!

And what will that do for you?
Guy it's written in your Bible just as it's there in all others but the PRACTICAL APPLICATION is what you can't grasp, that's why billions are reading that book yet the fruit of God's Holy Spirit is not seen in the human society.

Jesus is the one God gave the wisdom to make all other things whether those in heaven or on the earth. Colossians 1:16

Thank you!!! Jesus created the heaven and earth! That's all I wanted to hear! Now answer this question:

The author of Hebrews 1: 10 to 13 is actually quoting another scripture. That scripture is Psalm 102. Why is the author of Hebrews 1: 10 to 13 taking the attributes applied to God in Psalm 102 and applying them to Jesus in Hebrews 1: 10 to 13?

MaxInDHouse:


And what will that do for you?
Guy it's written in your Bible just as it's there in all others but the PRACTICAL APPLICATION is what you can't grasp, that's why billions are reading that book yet the fruit of God's Holy Spirit is not seen in the human society.

Jesus is the one God gave the wisdom to make all other things whether those in heaven or on the earth. Colossians 1:16

GreatAxeMan:
Thank you!!! Jesus created the heaven and earth! That's all I wanted to hear! Now answer this question:

The author of Hebrews 1: 10 to 13 is actually quoting another scripture. That scripture is Psalm 102. Why is the author of Hebrews 1: 10 to 13 taking the attributes applied to God in Psalm 102 and applying them to Jesus in Hebrews 1: 10 to 13?

Because Jesus is the one and only creature that's a perfect replica of the Almighty God {John 1:18} our first human parents were created in the image of God {Genesis 1:26} but they didn't remain in it. Jesus maintained that image for uncountable years that he has been with God! John 8:29
So if anyone wants to know God's mindset all you need is to study Jesus' thoughts, words and actions {1Corinthians 2:16} that's why God made him the one to rule (train) mankind for a millennium in order for whoever wish to also become a perfect child of God like Jesus!

If Jesus is a "creature", as you calle him, how could he create the heavens and the earth? Set aside the ingrained ignorance of Charles Taze Russell and think very hard about this. How can someone or something which is a part of creation, be the author of creation? Think carefully because the next scripture I will quote will destroy everything the Jehovah's Witnesses stand for.

MaxInDHouse:


Because Jesus is the one and only creature that's a perfect replica of the Almighty God {John 1:18} our first human parents were created in the image of God {Genesis 1:26} but they didn't remain in it. Jesus maintained that image for uncountable years that he has been with God! John 8:29
So if anyone wants to know God's mindset all you need is to study Jesus' thoughts, words and actions {1Corinthians 2:16} that's why God made him the one to rule (train) mankind for a millennium in order for whoever wish to also become a perfect child of God like Jesus!

GreatAxeMan:

If Jesus is a "creature", as you calle him, how could he create the heavens and the earth? Set aside the ingrained ignorance of Charles Taze Russell and think very hard about this. How can someone or something which is a part of creation, be the author of creation? Think carefully because the next scripture I will quote will destroy everything the Jehovah's Witnesses stand for.

The point you're missing here is the ability of the ALMIGHTY God who can make anyone whatever He pleases to make them.
He made Moses God so if someone says Moses did everything in Egypt and released the children of Israel of course a Bible student will say "NO Moses was sent to do all that"

Whatever Jesus did from the beginning till now was under the direction of the one who gave him the power to do it and he himself always acknowledge the one who impacted wisdom to do all these.
So it's the Bible that said Jesus is not equal with the one and only true God not anyone!

When did God make Moses God? I asked a simple question and you deflected it with a lie. How can someone or something that is the result of creation, be the author of creation? It's a very simple question. No need to commit blasphemy while answering. I'm sure even Charles Taze Russell wouldn't stoop this low

MaxInDHouse:


The point you're missing here is the ability of the ALMIGHTY God who can make anyone whatever He pleases to make them.
He made Moses God so if someone says Moses did everything in Egypt and released the children of Israel of course a Bible student will say "NO Moses was sent to do all that"

Whatever Jesus did from the beginning till now was under the direction of the one who gave him the power to do it and he himself always acknowledge the one who impacted wisdom to do all these.
So it's the Bible that said Jesus is not equal with the one and only true God not anyone!

GreatAxeMan:

When did God make Moses God? I asked a simple question and you deflected it with a lie. How can someone or something that is the result of creation, be the author of creation? It's a very simple question. No need to commit blasphemy while answering. I'm sure even Charles Taze Russell wouldn't stoop this low

The highlighted God made Moses God {Exodus 7:1[/b] God called other creatures "God" {Psalms 82:6} Jesus declared that the true God differs from him {John 17:3; 14:28} so if the Bible now says Jesus created the heavens and the earth common sense should tell us that he was acting on the instructions of the one who sent him:

Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things" John 8:28

So Jesus never did anything of his own initiative, go and tell your church fathers in your trinitarian dogma!

Anyone who can read this:

Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

And conclude that God made Moses an actual god is, no offense, rather dull.

All it means is that God gave Moses authority over Pharaoh. If Moses actually became a god, what attributes of divinity did he possess? Was he eternal, immortal or almighty? If Moses was a god created by God, why wouldn't it have been okay for the Israelites to worship him instead of a golden calf?

With regards to Psalm 82:6, I'm amazed that a supposed Jehovah's witness is repeating a heresy/blasphemy created by the word of faith charismatics!

Let me set you straight on this:

John 10 35-36 makes it clear that the "Ye are gods" reference in Psalm 82:6 is distinct from the concept of the Son of God which only applies to Jesus and it doesn't mean that those to whom the scripture was given are LITERALLY divine:

John 10 35-36
If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside, what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son' ?

If Psalm 82:6 means literal gods as you claimed, and not just sons and daughters of God as it means in John 1:12

Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God


2 Corinthians 6:17-18 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and[b] I will receive you,
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.[/b]

If Psalm 82:6 meant literal gods, and not children of God, then it would make nonsense of Ephesians 4:11 to 12

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ

If those who received the scripture are actual gods in Psalm 82:6 as you have implied, then they would be divine and need NO PERFECTION!

BUT JESUS WAS PERFECT WASN'T HE?

DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH?

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted God made Moses God {Exodus 7:1[/b] God called other creatures "God" {Psalms 82:6} Jesus declared that the true God differs from him {John 17:3; 14:28} so if the Bible now says Jesus created the heavens and the earth common sense should tell us that he was acting on the instructions of the one who sent him:

Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things" John 8:28

So Jesus never did anything of his own initiative, go and tell your church fathers in your trinitarian dogma!

GreatAxeMan:

Anyone who can read this:

Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

And conclude that God made Moses an actual god is, no offense, rather dull.

Well God promised to send another prophet that will also be a God like Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

And Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is that prophet that came in the manner of Moses! Act 3:22

So stop deceiving yourself. It's God that made Jesus a God just as He made Moses a God NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

Answer the last question I asked you: Do you believe that Jesus is the Messiah?

MaxInDHouse


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Well God promised to send another prophet that will also be a God like Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

And Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is that prophet that came in the manner of Moses! Act 3:22

So stop deceiving yourself. It's God that made Jesus a God just as He made Moses a God NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

GreatAxeMan:

Answer the last question I asked you: Do you believe that Jesus is the Messiah?

Why do i have to answer all your questions as there's nothing to gain from the endless quest?
Will you answer mine as well if i should ask you?

Instead of arguing blindly in support of the TRINITY dogma that's not yielding positivity in the midst of it's adherents {James 2:18} why not ask for the will of God?

GreatAxeMan keep asking questions upon questions just to find support for the traditional trinity dogma handed over to him.
Whereas look! The will of God is missing in his life!
He's still blabbing here and there over politics which has been condemned by the true God!

I'm more than happy to answer your questions even though you have been stylishly avoiding mine!

Is Jesus the Messiah?

MaxInDHouse:


Why do i have to answer all your questions as there's nothing to gain from the endless quest?
Will you answer mine as well if i should ask you?

GreatAxeMan:

I'm more than happy to answer your questions even though you have been stylishly avoiding mine!
Is Jesus the Messiah?

I have answered most of the questions you posed but i know where you're driving at that's why i stick to what is written in the Bible!
What is the will of God?

ifiokjohn:
Jesus Is a messenger of GOD but not a prophet. I think you should read the book of Revelation to gain more insight. To be able to differentiate the difference between prophets.

Jesus didn't just exist before Abraham. He was the Foundation on which all things were built. Reason the Bible explicitly called him the Firstborn of GOD creation.

By the way if Jesus were a prophet, don't you think he would have said the people that called him prophet were right.
Remember when he asked his disciples, "Who do people say I am" and they all gave varying answers like 'A prophet, Elijah etc' but yet to him none of them got it. I would have expected it true he was jus a prophet he would have said Yes, they're right, I'm a prophet of GOD. But then he asked his disciples, but who do you say I am? I'm sure many of them would have said Prophet but still he saw that as wrong but immediately Simon Peter spoke and said "You're the Christ, the Son of the living GOD" his reply to Simon was, 'flesh and blood have not revealed this to you but my Father in heaven'.
See , what I'm saying is that if Jesus was just a prophet, before Simon Peter had even talked he would have said to others disciples that called him a prophet that they were right, he is nothing but a prophet of GOD and he didn't.

By the way, I don't think a Prophet can claim to raise the dead at the regeneration but in the Bible you have Christ claiming to raise the dead at the regeneration. An Act only reservedfor God. The dead is like billions and billions of people. It not one or two people that a prophet bring to life some times but billions of people. How can 'just a prophet' do that?

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GOD says that there is no Savior besides Himself - "I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior." - Isaiah 43:11.

In GOD - in the Person of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST only - there is salvation from damnation for sin - "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

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Before Abraham Was, I AM
48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”

49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”

52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”

54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

58Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

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"And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you." - Exodus 3:14

ifiokjohn:
Have been reading the Bible and I came across psalm110 where King David made Reference to Two Lords. He said and I quote 'The LORD said to My Lord , sit thou at my hand until I make thing enemies thy footstool'. I went through what that means.
I got to know that in the Original hebrew of the psalm, The first "LORD"translate the Hebrew word Yahweh. GOD'S Convenant name. The second "Lord" translate the Hebrew word " ADONAI. A Title usually given to Yahweh in the old testament.

Now I'm asking this to understand who Jesus really is?. I remember Jesus asked the scribes this question. *if the Messiah is David's Son why then did David Call him Lord?" I'm still curious and want to know.

Because if that verse is true, it means Jesus is not just a prophet as our Muslim brothers will want us to believe.

I will like the Muslims to also contribute in this. Who is this Jesus that even a King Calls him "Lord". Not just Lord as in Lord. But a title that was reserve and used for Yahweh in the old testament. That is ADONAI.


Is this Jesus truly more than just a prophet?


Dear Muslims I need your reply to that verse and Jesus Question to the Scribes.

He refers to Yahweh and Jesus in form of Joshua who has been living since billions of years