I've been pondering if it's possible to have Freewill and still believe in Destiny.

I mean, if you have Freewill, Destiny isn't supposed to be a thing,
given that a person could today become a doctor and if they think it isn't enough, switch over to being a sex therapist.
As opposed to be Destined to become a Doctor, which means they'd ultimately end up a medical practitioner regardless.

What you do all think?
cc: TheSourcerer atheistandproud CAPSLOCKED

Both illusion

mariovito:
Both illusion

Please explain why you think they're both illusion.��

Freewill is not actually free and absolute in itself . There's always an external and internal influence.
Do you know that the only valuable thing about man is his spirit? We do nothing without this spirit influence. Now what influences your spirit? What influences your spirit could make you choose/do a wrong thing that's not in line with your supposed destiny, but a strong destiny might cause a redirection(like the example you gave). A knowledgeable man, though has his freewill, yet still believes in its limitations and hence seeks for spiritual direction/guidance. Our freewill is to take us to our destiny only if we allow the giver of freewill to influence us. In other words, our destiny is the sum total of our choices.
Just another way of telling you that both aren't illusion but are mutually inclusive

AdeniyiA:
Freewill is not actually free and absolute. There's always an external and internal influence...

Lol, if Freewill exists...it should be free.
If it's not absolute, then I believe it's not Freewill.

I suppose you're saying in essence that Freewill is an illusion, and Destiny is the real Deal, yeah?

Destiny.
This is believed to be a preordained end or outcome of an event or activity or a persons life .
We all know that a person's life are mostly a sum of their choices and decisions. If we agree to this, then there's no way predestination can be real well except in the case of programmed algorithms.

This brings us to freewill.
In its most basic understanding, freewill is the perceived freedom from influence an individual enjoys when making a choice or decision.
As an individual makes it through life from infancy to adulthood, information and experiences are stored away in a person's subconscious which they may be oblivious of. Environmental influence and others come in here.

Most individuals make their decisions based off of these feeds even without their knowledge.

Its even well known that hormones also affect decisions. Theses are age long information etched into our DNA which sort of functions like a computer algorithm. So when a person makes some choices, they may not really be making really free choices but rather just adhering to the prompting from millennia old information stored up in our DNA.

To further buttress this, have you ever given it a thought why at every instant, we are bombarded with a deluge of trains of thoughts which can be cataclysmic? Most times, the battle is focusing and developing one train of thought while shutting out the rest.

I can't tell you what's responsible for the ability of humans to have that much source of input of information, but I can tell you that we barely make freewill decisions. A lot of external influence are involved.

Stellar360:


Please explain why you think they're both illusion.��

Stellar360:

Lol, if Freewill exists...it should be free.
If it's not absolute, then I believe it's not Freewill.

I suppose you're saying in essence that Freewill is an illusion, and Destiny is the real Deal, yeah?

Nothing is free bro, neither freewill nor destiny

AdeniyiA:
Freewill is not actually free and absolute. There's always an external and internal influence.
Do you that the only valuable thing about man is his spirit? We do nothing without this spirit influence. Now what influences your spirit? What influences your spirit could make you choose/do a wrong thing that's not in line with your supposed destiny, but a strong destiny might cause a redirection(like the example you gave). A knowledgeable man, though has his freewill, yet still believes in its limitations and hence seeks for spiritual direction/guidance. Our freewill is to take us to our destiny only if we allow the giver of freewill to influence us

Great Point, BTW

mariovito:
Destiny.
This is believed to be a preordained end or outcome of an event or activity or a persons life .
We all know that a person's life are mostly a sum of their choices and decisions. If we agree to this, then there's no way predestination can be real well except in the case of programmed algorithms.

This brings us to freewill.
In its most basic understanding, freewill is the perceived freedom from influence an individual enjoys when making a choice or decision.
As an individual makes it through life from infancy to adulthood, information and experiences are stored away in a person's subconscious. Environmental influence and others come in here.
Most individuals make their decisions based off of these feeds even without their knowledge.

Its even well known that hormones also affect decisions. Theses are age long information etched into our DNA which sort of functions like a computer algorithm. So when a person makes some choices, they may not really be making really free choices but rather just adhering to the prompting from millennia old information stored up in our DNA.

To further buttress this, have you ever given it a thought why at even instant, we are bombarded with a deluge of trains of thoughts which can be cataclysmic? Most times, the battle is focusing and developing one train of thought while shutting out the rest.

I can't tell you what's responsible for the ability of humans to have that much source of input of information, but I can tell you that we barely make freewill decisions. A lot of external influence are involved.

Well for one, I believe the Human Brain is a complex structure made up of intricate set of instructions that informs their decisions.

Just how super intelligent computer programs make decision from analysing sets of rules and algorithms; the human subconscious provides the mind with necessary information, rules and conditions to CONSIDER, before making a decision.

So, I think we ultimately decide for ourselves.

Stellar360:
I've been pondering if it's possible to have Freewill and still believe in Destiny.

I mean, if you have Freewill, Destiny isn't supposed to be a thing,
given that a person could today become a doctor and if they think it isn't enough, switch over to being a sex therapist.
As opposed to be Destined to become a Doctor, which means they'd ultimately end up a medical practitioner regardless.

What you do all think?
cc: TheSourcerer atheistandproud CAPSLOCKED

my policy is 'que Sera Sera '
No matter how much you try , you switch 'que Sera Sera'

And freewill , do we really have freewill? and are we not slaves to our emotions thoughts and actions .?


Regardless que Sera Sera



Destiny is too spiritually inclined for me , 'you are destined to be a preacher , doctor , like an already set up plan by a divine , its basically a lazy way to find validation and divinity in man's life

TheSourcerer:
my policy is 'que Sera Sera '
No matter how much you try , you switch 'que Sera Sera'

And freewill , do we really have freewill? and are we not slaves to our emotions thoughts and actions .

Deep!
Abeg, Sha throw more light

Stellar360:


Deep!
Abeg, Sha throw more light

nobody is destined to be anything , people again what they achieve with determination hardwork or luck ,
The contradiction comes from the religious text , the bible in particular claims man was given freewill yo choose from good or evil at which portion you choice will be judged divinely at the end of days yet The Christian God claims to be ominiscient omnipresent and the book also claims before we were formed in our mothers womb he knew us hence knowing what and how we end up , so what is the essence of consciousness , what is the essence of the judgment ? Have you not been judged already before you were born ?

Stellar360:

Lol, if Freewill exists...it should be free.
If it's not absolute, then I believe it's not Freewill.

I suppose you're saying in essence that Freewill is an illusion, and Destiny is the real Deal, yeah?

if I wiggle my pinky finger , was it of my control or compelled by the brain's instruction ?


There is nothing like Destiny ,,, unless if used by Christians to explain positive and affirmative situation and circumstance
Eg God has made it your destiny to trample your enemies (very vague)


Your destiny has always to become a fierce warrior


Your destiny is to do good.



If Hercules Destiny was to become a fierce warrior but he sits back watches TV all day and becomes a couch potato .....even though when he was born his 'destiny' was to be a fierce warrior and not a couch potato ....... Hence it was never destined to be a fierce warrior without tweaking himself to become a fierce warrior ,
Now he became a couch potato , this was always meant to be , que sera Sera



And if he became a fierce warrior eventually with or without training then this again was meant to happen and not destiny ....... Clearly destiny has to do with the future and last time I checked no one from the beginning of man could tell the future (aside calculated predictions like prophesies and betting
Nope Destiny does not exist ...... It does to theiests of course but in reality destiny is like reincarnation blissful wish .

AdeniyiA:
Freewill is not actually free and absolute. There's always an external and internal influence.
Do you that the only valuable thing about man is his spirit? We do nothing without this spirit influence. Now what influences your spirit? What influences your spirit could make you choose/do a wrong thing that's not in line with your supposed destiny, but a strong destiny might cause a redirection(like the example you gave). A knowledgeable man, though has his freewill, yet still believes in its limitations and hence seeks for spiritual direction/guidance. Our freewill is to take us to our destiny only if we allow the giver of freewill to influence us

Bro I would love for you to explain more on this.. I'm interested

Determinism trumps "freewill" anytime. What we actually call freewill is laced with psychological, environmental or social conditioning, oftentimes not visible to the undiscerning eyes.

LordIsaac:
Determinism trumps "freewill" anytime. What we actually call freewill is laced with psychological, environmental or social conditioning, oftentimes not visible to the undiscerning eyes.

I think both Have d INFLUENCE and CHOICE features

All of Una just watch MATRIX RESURRECTION of late ba?

Stellar360:
I've been pondering if it's possible to have Freewill and still believe in Destiny.

I mean, if you have Freewill, Destiny isn't supposed to be a thing,
given that a person could today become a doctor and if they think it isn't enough, switch over to being a sex therapist.
As opposed to be Destined to become a Doctor, which means they'd ultimately end up a medical practitioner regardless.

What you do all think?
cc: TheSourcerer atheistandproud CAPSLOCKED

I don't believe in destiny or the concept of predestination. We are the products of the sum of our actions and decisions over our lifetimes. Sometimes it's good, other times it's bad.

I think both do exist.
We don't have absolute free will and not everything is predestined, we are kind of in the middle.
Just sit and think about it.

TheSourcerer:
if I wiggle my pinky finger , was it of my control or compelled by the brain's instruction ?


There is nothing like Destiny ,,, unless if used by Christians to explain positive and affirmative situation and circumstance
Eg God has made it your destiny to trample your enemies (very vague)


Your destiny has always to become a fierce warrior


Your destiny is to do good.



If Hercules Destiny was to become a fierce warrior but he sits back watches TV all day and becomes a couch potato .....even though when he was born his 'destiny' was to be a fierce warrior and not a couch potato ....... Hence it was never destined to be a fierce warrior without tweaking himself to become a fierce warrior ,
Now he became a couch potato , this was always meant to be , que sera Sera



And if he became a fierce warrior eventually with or without training then this again was meant to happen and not destiny ....... Clearly destiny has to do with the future and last time I checked no one from the beginning of man could tell the future (aside calculated predictions like prophesies and betting
Nope Destiny does not exist ...... It does to theiests of course but in reality destiny is like reincarnation blissful wish .

Woah, hang on.
Prophecy foretells events based on some inner/divine intuition or spiritual inspiration as opposed to prediction, which is based on some logical foundation or previous experience/trends

I think prophecies aren't calculated predictions, they are inspired by divine sources.
My opinion, BTW

Here to Learn.

atheistandproud:


I don't believe in destiny or the concept of predestination. We are the products of the sum of our actions and decisions over our lifetimes. Sometimes it's good, other times it's bad.

hey hello hope you have a great evening

atheistandproud:


I don't believe in destiny or the concept of predestination. We are the products of the sum of our actions and decisions over our lifetimes. Sometimes it's good, other times it's bad.

Exactly my point.

If a person, who grew up in a cult infested neighborhood chooses to be friends, hang out, and do the bidding of those cultists in his neighborhood, he's most likely going to end up a cultist.
Unless some adjustments are being made in his life choices.

We're are primarily products of our actions, ain't no such thing as Destiny.
My opinion, still.

Here to Learn.

atheistandproud:


I don't believe in destiny or the concept of predestination. We are the products of the sum of our actions and decisions over our lifetimes. Sometimes it's good, other times it's bad.

Eggxactly #! Hey

Stellar360:


Woah, hang on.
Prophecy foretells events based on some inner/divine intuition or spiritual inspiration as opposed to prediction, which is based on some logical foundation or previous experience/trends

I think prophecies aren't calculated predictions, they are inspired by divine sources.
My opinion, BTW

Here to Learn.

since it is proven fact that no divine being cab tekk what's hidden in a basket clearly shows there's no divine anywhere , the Corona , who knew about it ? Why didn't he tell at least one devoted servant of a global scale lockdown , but no its malaria they can cure ..

Stellar360:


Woah, hang on.
Prophecy foretells events based on some inner/divine intuition or spiritual inspiration as opposed to prediction, which is based on some logical foundation or previous experience/trends

I think prophecies aren't calculated predictions, they are inspired by divine sources.
My opinion, BTW

Here to Learn.

I think prophecies are nothing more than educated guesses. This is because I have made certain educated guesses of my own majority of which turned out to be spot on.

Remember, the late great TB Joshua incorrectly prophesied that a woman would sit in the White House. He was absolutely wrong. No woman has come close. Clinton lost to the Electoral college and Elizabeth Warren didn't even make it out of the primaries.

The Sourcerer also made another excellent point. Note a single prophet the world over could see Covid 19 and the lockdowns before it came. Not one.

That being said, there are things in this world that I do not totally understand. As a child and as a teen, (even now as an adult, although it's rare) I would go to bed and see things that would happen. It could be in a day, or two, or even a week. There was one time I told my mom that she'll meet her friend at a function as a child. She didn't believe it. The friend was in Lagos. Omoh we see the lady for there. So things do happen.

But all the mainstream prophets we have are all frauds. Every last one.

atheistandproud:


I think prophecies are nothing more than educated guesses. This is because I have made certain educated guesses of my own majority of which turned out to be spot on.

Remember, the late great TB Joshua incorrectly prophesied that a woman would sit in the White House. He was absolutely wrong. No woman has come close. Clinton lost to the Electoral college and Elizabeth Warren didn't even make it out of the primaries.

The Sourcerer also made another excellent point. Note a single prophet the world over could see Covid 19 and the lockdowns before it came. Not one.

That being said, there are things in this world that I do not totally understand. As a child and as a teen, (even now as an adult, although it's rare) I would go to bed and see things that would happen. It could be in a day, or two, or even a week. There was one time I told my mom that she'll meet her friend at a function as a child. She didn't believe it. The friend was in Lagos. Omoh we see the lady for there. So things do happen.

But all the mainstream prophets we have are all frauds. Every last one.

You're quite right, not gonna lie