Kobojunkie:
1. I never said anything on the issue of Jesus being God or not, in this here conversation.

2. Flip the Bible? No, I have instead asked that you hold up that which is in fact written in scripture as given by Jesus Christ Himself above the doctrines and traditions of men(and their many churches).

ask4bk:
1. Which is what we are all doing.

2. Let me take the assumption that you have not condemned the divinity of Jesus because that's the major topic of this post by op and I thought that was the reason you saying the Catholic Church is flawed, since the Catholic Church is chief in teaching the divinity of Jesus Christ and of the Holy Spirit.

3. I'll be ready to enlighten you biblically whenever you decide to point that the particular article of faith that is flawed in the Catholic Church

Kobojunkie:
1. That is a lie and you know it. You have spent over 98% of this Herr conversation revealing this too.

2. Jesus Christ taught His followers that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. What Constantine and his many bishops did was create a false religion by adding their leaven akin to be compared with the leaven of the Pharisees - the doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ Himself declared were all lies - to what the teachings of the Gospel.

3. From the above, what this means is that all of the doctrines and traditions of your church are rooted in lies and hence are not of God aka antiChrist - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

ask4bk:
Still waiting for you to point out just one article of faith/doctrine that is a lie so that I educate you from the scriptures.
That shouldn't be hard since ALL our doctrines are false. Since all is false, I believe our doctrine that Jesus is the saviour is also false based on your assumption that everything we teach is wrong.

Kobojunkie:
Why do you want me to point one out when I already declared that ALL of them are not according to God's New Covenant agreement and Law to individual men in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ?

Feel free to pick out any and we can address it.

ask4bk:
Simple.
We believe that Jesus is the Saviour who died on the cross for our salvation.

I guess this is wrong. What's your reason why Jesus isn't the saviour?

Kobojunkie:
Here are some simple questions regarding your claim....What do you mean when you claim that Jesus Christ is your savior?

what is it that Jesus Christ came you save you from?
What is His offer of Salvation for or from?

ask4bk:
Simple answer is death, which is the wage of sin.
But don't be Nigerian and answer questions with questions.
Still waiting to tell me why my faith that Jesus is the Saviour, is wrong.
Except you agree with me on this. And if you do, then your claim that All my faith is false, IS FALSE.
Again...
Why is Jesus not the Saviour?

Kobojunkie:
How else am I to gain clear understanding into the meaning behind your claim. If you do not want me asking questions then stop giving me one-liners and tell me exactly why Jesus Christ is a savior to you and what that means.

Even the Pharisees claimed to believe in God, and in a Messiah, but they were far from Him in their understanding of who He is..

ask4bk:
I understand... But its fair you answer me first since I asked you first.

Kobojunkie:
This isn't a question of fairness since you have yet to infact explain what you mean when you say He is a savior. I know even pagans who claim that Jesus Christ is a savior but for then he is only one of many and serves as savior in particular situations. So, please no more one-liners... provide please provide clear explain of the doctrines and tradition of the Catholic church as far as the heading "Jesus Christ is the savior".

ask4bk:
1. The Jews expect a political leader or messiah that will save the people of Israel (Jews) and restore them to their highest glory as a people above every other nation.

2. For we Christians the Messiah has already come. The core Christian belief is that, through the death and resurrection of Jesus, sinful humans can be reconciled to God and thereby are offered salvation and the promise of eternal life in heaven (not on earth).

3. I put not on earth in bracket because one of the greatest illness that protestantism has brought into Christianity is that salvation is proven here on earth, thus a good Christian should be blessed with cars, land, money. PROSPERITY! PROSPERITY! Yes... Prosperity preaching has taken heaven away from Christians idea of salvation and now they only look for it here on earth.

4. What we are looking for as Christians is eternal life in heaven even if we here on earth in poverty, persecution, oppression and victims of hatred.
Anyway, I've said more than enough of what is Christian salvation.

I know it's a waste of time going on and on with you, because you still won't answer my questions which I asked you first.

Janosky:

God Almighty is NOT God with 3 heads.
Godhead is not holy scriptures. Fact.
Divine nature/divine quality ('theoites') is NOT Godhead.( Screenshot)
Jesus Christ is a life giving spirit in heaven when Paul wrote Colossians 2:9.
Colossians 2:10, "The fullness of divine nature dwells in believers."
Oga, according to your claim in verse 9, is every believer God?
Your interpretation of verse 9 is in conflict with verse 10.

Hebrew 1:9, God Almighty is peerless.
Jesus Christ has peers.
Oga,@ John 4:23-24 & John 20:17 is Jesus Christ still teaching you from your Bible?


Your Trinity mentors say man is a spirit.
God is a spirit.
Do you now agree that man is God being?
Trinity GIBBERISH get too many issues.

John 20:17, the God & Father is superior to everyone & superior to his Son.
E get why.

1 Corinthians 11:3 & John 17:7, the God is NOT subject to anyone.
John 20:17, Jesus Christ said.
1 Corinthians 11:3, Paul said.
John 17:7, Jesus said & John wrote it.
They agreed, Jesus is inferior.
E get why.

When 3 deities Polytheists & their mentors reject the holy scriptures,e get why..

Janosky:

Agreed.

Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5 your Bible calls angel GOD (Elohim).
Do you agree angel is GOD, according to your Bible?
God calls Jesus & men "mighty God", NOT Almighty God.

"Thy throne o God" is NOT authentic.
Why?
Hebrews 1:8 is a copy of Psalms 45:6-7 of the Hebrew Masoretic text.
"Thy throne given of God". (Scriptural evidence for Luke 1:31-33. Revelation3:21 & 1 chronicles 29:23.).
When you claim Jesus is God anointed by his God, you are telling Nairaland you worship 2 GODS. .
John 20;17, did Jesus worship 2 GODS?



In the spiritual realm he is a son of God his Father. Revelation3:5,12,21.


Phillipians 2:6 Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear sets the record straight.
Greek interlinear version is different from Trinitarian translation.
John 14:28 & Revelation 3:5, 1 Corinthians 15:24-27, it is robbery to ascribe equality.

Your Bible says Jesus Christ is the agency of creation NOT the Creator. 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Colossians 1:15-16, John 1:3 , the Greek word is "DIA antou /THROUGH him" & Ephesians 4:6 proven that.

The Jews do not have "I Am" in Hebrew @ Exodus 3:14.
Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh means "I will be what I will be."
That is Judaism for you.
Therefore, Greek I am @ John 8:58 have ZERO connection to Exodus 3:14.
Your " I am" says he has his God and Father @John20:17 effectively nulify your claim on John 8:58.

That him is the God of Acts 3:13.
Yet, you claim 2 persons -Father and son is "him".


Jesus Christ proven he copies from his Father.
Yet you imitate the Jews to make the FALSE claim Jesus NEVER made, John 14:28

The LORD GOD is Yahweh Almighty, NOT Jesus Christ. Psalms 83:18.
(Source: Preface of the American Standard Bible).

Shalom.

xproducer:


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Perhaps you will present all you have written above on Judgment Day?

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." - 2 Corinthians 5:10

"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him." - John 5:22-23

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." - Revelations 1:7-8


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The Lord be magnified! - Psalm 40:16

TruthinAction:


I never said that there are three Gods neither do I subscribe to the way the subject is presented. But one thing is certain, Jesus is God in human flesh.

TruthinAction:

Our brains doesn't have the capacity to fully comprehend the complete nature of God.

TruthinAction:


He made claims that is exclusive to God alone.

TruthinAction:

He told the audience of his days that before Abraham was, I Am.

John 8:19
"Then they asked Jesus: 'where is your Father? You do not know me or know my Father.'
John 8:38
"I am telling you what I have seen in the presence of my Father"
Oga, how many of them be "I Am" ?
Oga,who is the Father of "I Am"?
Trinity na Scam !

TruthinAction:

We can't take away the fact that Jesus is deity. There are scriptures to substantiate that. .

Janosky:

Matthew 27:46, Jesus cried out: "my God my God why have you forsaken me?"
Oga, is your God in the flesh is crying to himself?
Or:
Is your God crying to another being/ superior God?
Has any of your 3 deities ever prayed to Jesus?

Can your brain understand that at Matthew 27:46 & John 5:37, Jesus Christ is NOT the God you claim he is?


Matthew 28:18, John 17:7, did Jesus Christ tell you he RECEIVED power and authority to make such claims?
Yes !

Bubu presides over FEC meeting.
Why does the Prof preside over FEC meeting?
Oga, use your brain .

John 8:19
"Then they asked Jesus: 'where is your Father? You do not know me or know my Father.'
John 8:38
"I am telling you what I have seen in the presence of my Father"
Oga, how many of them be "I Am" ?
Oga,who is the Father of "I Am"?
Trinity na Scam !


A deity is a god, with divine attributes/quality or nature.
The Deity ,Yahweh Almighty is different from a deity, his son.(Screenshot of deity definition for your guidance).

All deities have the nature/attributes/quality of the Deity, their Maker/Creator.
Is 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 not clear to you that ONLY the Father created all gods/deities & his Son, Jesus Christ?

Jesus the word is NOT ho Theos The Deity.
John 10:34-36, Jesus is a god.

TruthinAction:


The nature of God is not what you can grasp with the natural sense.
.

TruthinAction:

Even God called Jesus God.

Hebrews 1:8-9
8. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. note

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Janosky:
King James Version Bible.
John 20:31: But these are written, that you may "believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God; and by believing you may have life through his name".

Oga, according to your Bible Gospel of John 20:31, do you now see that Trinity is nonsensical GIBBERISH?

Emusan:


But you won't remember this same John 20:31 whenever you enter your hall and you're being taught that without belonging to watchtower organization Armageddon is your potion

Emusan:


Now, to you Janosky, according to John 20:31 are we supposed to believe in any other things or belong to a group/organization before we have life?

Let's hear from the follower of pagan worshippers in Brooklyn

Janosky:

2 Chronicles 7:14 & Acts15:14, JEHOVAH's organized people, His Organization.
The "WE" of John 9:4 & Acts 3:13 includes Abraham, Isaac,Jacob, Jesus Christ and the disciples, plus JEHOVAH's servants today, Isaiah 43:10,21(ASV/Living Bible).


[b]Will the People/Group bearing JEHOVAH'S name @Isaiah 43:10,21(ASV/Living Bible), John 9:4, 2 Chronicles 7:14 & Acts 3:13 have everlasting life?
Is Satan and his agents bearing JEHOVAH'S name?

It's NOT my problem that you 3 deities Polytheists can NOT understand the holy scriptures of Isaiah 43:10,21 (ASV/Living Bible) etc.

Emusan:


To defend his 8 god of men in Brooklyn, tons of verses must be added

But initially it was just John 20:31



But you follower of pagan master didn't remember Isaiah 43:10,21 before you drawn your point in John 20:31

I know he must change tune because he knows no organization or group was mentioned in John 20:31

Your Stupidity is luminous.
Is Isaiah 43:10,21(ASV/Living Bible), John 9:4,
2 Chronicles 7:14 & Acts 3:13 in your own Bible written at Brooklyn?

Janosky:
Your Stupidity is luminous.
Is Isaiah 43:10,21(ASV/Living Bible), John 9:4,
2 Chronicles 7:14 & Acts 3:13 in your own Bible written at Brooklyn?

Emusan:


Neither Isaiah 43:10,21, 2 Chronicles 7:14, John 9:4 & Acts 3:13 ever say "By believing in any organization/group we will have LIFE"


I challenge you to quote where such statement is mentioned on those verses you cited

Emusan:


Las Las, John 20:31 is what we need as a believer.

You must receive sense by fire by force!

Emusan,Did John 20:31 say believers of Trinity?

Las las....
Only JEHOVAH'S people Isaiah 43:10,21,
2 Chronicles 7:14, John 9:4 & Acts 3:13 are the believers of John 20:17,31.

Emusan,3 deities Polytheists, receive SENSE

Janosky:

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9,Will Satan and his agents receive everlasting life?

Emusan,Did John 20:31 say believers of Trinity?

Las las....
Only JEHOVAH'S people Isaiah 43:10,21,
2 Chronicles 7:14, John 9:4 & Acts 3:13 are the believers of John 20:17,31

Emusan,3 deities Polytheists, receive SENSE
[/b].

ask4bk:


Simple.

We believe that Jesus is the Saviour who died on the cross for our salvation.

I guess this is wrong. What's your reason why Jesus isn't the saviour?

Emusan:
I know your blood is always hot whenever your lies being exposed but you know what? I won't stop giving you Bible study until you're ready to receive sense!

I've provided all the Bible verses you cited against John 20:31, so let's examine them and see if there's anyone that matched John 20:31 or if they talk about group or organization.



"He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 2 Thess 1:8-9

This verse never talk about Satan or his agents believing in CHRIST so definitely they can't have everlasting life but John 20:31 says "But these are written that you may believe[a] that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. John 20:31

So it's by believing in Jesus name that we will have life not in ANY ORGANIZATION/GROUP



No!

Did John 20:31 say believers of organization or group?



If this is true then 2 Chronicles 7:14 says "if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land." 2 chro 7:14

So your organization are still involved in wickedness

Other Bible verses you cited are:

Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me....the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise.

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

John 20:31 But these are written that you may believe[a] that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

None of the verses above ever claimed ONLY the people chosen by God will believe, in fact that will outrightly negate John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

I guess you know the meaning of WHOEVER

Lemme rewrite John 3:16 to suit JWs doctrine

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that my chosen people/group/organization will believe in him and shall not perish but have eternal life."



The Bible study you've received tonight will go a long way in helping your dull skull.

Is Organization just one person?

Will Dangote Organization pay Emusan salary when Emusan don't work for his Organization?

Only JEHOVAH'S servants are members of His Organization to receive everlasting life.

Pronto!
Emusan & 3 deities Polytheists are too dull.

Janosky:
Is Organization just one person?

Will Dangote Organization pay Emusan salary when Emusan don't work for him?

Only JEHOVAH'S servants are members of His Organization to receive everlasting life.

Pronto!
Emusan & 3 deities Polytheists are too dull.[/b].

Emusan:
Lol....Janosense doesn't have any meaningful thing to say again :

No! But WHOSOEVER wasn't about specific group or organization.

Emusan:

Dangote will pay me if Dangote ever makes a claim that he is ready to pay EVERYONE IN NIGERIA.

Emusan:

But you don't have any scripture to back it up

Emusan see "WE" (plural for many,no Organization is one person) Emusan no believe.
Oga, your spiritual myopia is luminous.

Emusan:

When the great JaNosense is short of words and verses

Janosky:

Matthew 27:46
Jesus said:
"My God,my God why have you forsaken me"
Revelation 3:12, Jesus spiritual sense knows his God.
Oga, you don't know God more than Jesus Christ knows Him.
Oga,Stick to the holy scriptures.
Pls don't DECEIVE yourself.


That your DUBIOUS quote of Psalms 45:6 is NOT in the Hebrew/Jewish Tanakh.
The Catholic Church Jerusalem Bible confirms the DUBIOUS quote of Hebrews 1:8 is NOT genuine.
Psalms 45:6-7 Catholic Jerusalem Bible is the genuine version.

"Thy throne given to God" (screenshot) is the Authoritative , authentic , genuine rendition of Hebrew1:8.

Many Bible translations are in accord with the Jewish Tanakh. .

Janosky:
Whosoever from the Jews and Gentiles believe the good news, Acts15:7-9, is chosen to bear Jehovah's name,Acts 15:14-17.

Emusan receive SENSE

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, will God pay everyone with everlasting life?
Emusan too dull

You see "my servants chosen "(plural for many) @ Isaiah 43, you no believe.

You see "my people chosen" (plural for many) @
2 Chronicles 7:14,& Acts 15:14 you no believe.

@ John 9:4, [b]Emusan see "WE" (plural for many,no Organization is one person) Emusan no believe.
Oga, your spiritual myopia is luminous.

Emusan knows that Dangote Organization exist but his 3 deities Polytheists delusion rejects JEHOVAH'S Organization of His people.

TruthinAction:
Hi

Jesus is the same class as God. Like begat like.

TruthinAction:

1.Man gives birth to man.
2.God give birth to God.
3.Jesus is the express image of the invisible God.

Oga,Your claim is Flawed & FALSE
Your third sentence faulted & flawed your first & 2nd sentence.
Has any Man given birth to himself/Woman given birth to herself?
NEVER!
According to you ,"God give birth to God."
Jesus Christ is NOT the invisible God.
Jesus in heaven is the image,a carbon copy, a resemblance of the invisible God.
Just as you are a carbon copy, resemblance, spitting image of your parents.

Oga, God did not give birth to himself.
Remove that FALSE theory from your brain

TruthinAction:


If you see Jesus, you have seen God. And their are scriptures to substantiate this claims.

TruthinAction:

Don't be an agent of darkness to dishonour Jesus.

TruthinAction:


He has a God, who is his father and he is himself God. This is why he is worshipped and he accepts worship.