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Sweden Officially Joins NATO, Ending Decades Of Neutrality / Turkey Agrees To Support Finland And Sweden's NATO Membership / Zelensky Says Ukraine Is Ready To Discuss Neutrality - Russian Media (2) (3) (4)

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 1stGenAmerican(f): 5:13pm On May 16, 2022
bankylan:
Who gave these kids access to internet?



Nice question because that write up is like a giant cartoon.
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 989900: 5:16pm On May 16, 2022
southsouthking:
What if Russia decided to also join NATO?
Just saying.

Werey wanted to join, but pride . . .
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by goodheart01: 5:18pm On May 16, 2022
Moony45:
Its a nuclear weapon country... There is no such thing as encircle... unless they can bear the consequences. Russia has the most number of nuclear arsenal in the world (6500nukes)

Are u still talking this rubbish?? Even US has close to that same amount of nukes. And almost every country, even India has nukes too. If Putin uses nukes US and other countries will use theirs too

Stop sounding ignorant pls

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 1stGenAmerican(f): 5:19pm On May 16, 2022
AldrichAmes:


I don’t remember Russia setting a date for when Ukraine will fall - that was noise from western capitals who thought Russia would replicate American “shock and awe” and use its full military power. And this is the reason why they keep expecting Russia to mobilise, lol.

People need to understand that US and Russian military doctrines are different. US doctrine is mostly Nazi German doctrine with a sprinkle of old Soviet doctrine - with massive air power and heavy bombardment. Russian doctrine is mostly artillery and tank warfare deep in battle with attrition. Two different countries, two different mentalities and doctrines. Russia’s style does cost more lives but once they crush you - you’re crushed for generations.

The whole Sweden and Finland joining NATO is more symbolic than strategic since both have been indirectly part of NATO for over 2 decades. They just made it formality now. And they’re not different from Estonia and Lithuania that are NATO members. Ukraine is much more important due to Sea of Azov - losing that would cripple Russia.

Anyway, there’s a reason why Russians are the best chess players in the world. Russians are slow to react but when they react - it always come with a bigger blow. With the current CSTO meeting going on in Russia and the announcement of a dozen more countries joining the organisation - be on the lookout for Mexico, Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina to join the next batch (Argentina is currently in Russia as an observer). Once they join CSTO - the US will cry and throw its toys out of the pram, lol.

All the countries you named (excluding Cuba) receive millions of dollars in US foreign aid yearly. The leaders of those countries know that Russia can’t and won’t replace the US aid that they’ve become dependent on so you’re talking rubbish. You have more hope for Russia than Putin has.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by goodheart01: 5:19pm On May 16, 2022
Hafeez6948:


They tried but were rejected, America doesn't want an alliance with Russia. The world power needs a villain i guess

Not even that. Their ideology can’t align with that of the West. Russia is naturally a villain

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by omis1(m): 5:21pm On May 16, 2022
MT:


People don't understand the role military bases play in war. US had the most military bases all over the world.
Russia will not dare push the button. I repeat, Russia can only bark, they can't dare launch a nuclear weapon, they will be part of history.

Have limited fear for known weapon but be totally afraid of weapons that you have never imagined their existence. United States of America is such a ferocious military beast. Putin knows,if you don't
Saw a video d some days ago of usa latest helicopter that flies without pilot and drones that are as bigger as an helicopter,let’s not even talk about how nato drones are destroying Russia modern tanks . In a conventional war Russia can’t chat to USA

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 989900: 5:21pm On May 16, 2022
Babygreene:


He tried to join since 1998.He discussed this several times with each new incoming president but he was disdained,snubbed, ridiculed and laughed at.

NATO was created against Russia in the beginning.And they continue to torment Russia and Putin.USA are the real troublemaking bullies who go behind the scenes,hit 2 heads together and act like they are innocent and peacekeepers .

The above are sentiments/opinions; the below is the fact.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by sukkot: 5:22pm On May 16, 2022
comrade sweden too like wawulence. seriousy though this thing is going the way It Is supposed to go because putIn will have no choice now but to make an example out of sweden and finland and then usa would be forced to join and then china will hop in with putin and before you know it ? a new world order will be created out of the ashes that remain In the world. millions would be killed. yall get ready. its about to go downnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn WW3

Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by goodheart01: 5:23pm On May 16, 2022
Alexandersantos:
russia will single-handedly defeat nato and all the country under it... IN PUTIN WE TRUST

This one is still smoking aboki gum

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by ALFADOS(m): 5:24pm On May 16, 2022
still no changes in Ukraine if they like let all European country join nato waiting concerns African man with that, they left us with our headaches over here and we are here making useless noise that we are supporting the west, please go hug transformer
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 1stGenAmerican(f): 5:25pm On May 16, 2022
[quote author=989900 post=112892486][/quote]

grin
Putin said that he couldn’t imagine Russia being isolated off from Europe and now he is solely responsible for cutting Russia off.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by womenareapez: 5:26pm On May 16, 2022
NigerianSage:
Finland and Sweden are already NATO partner countries, meaning they are NATO members, but not formally which is about to change, they coordinate their policies, ideas, and values, they give each other weapons and intel and conduct military training together with NATO for decades.

Finland and Sweden are not Ukraine, they are very rich and powerful, they have robust military infrastructures and they've been preparing for Russia for decades.

These countries won't be begging NATO for planes and military gadgets like Ukrain because they have their own ready to go, they won't be begging NATO for fighter jets, because Sweden is the maker of the powerful Gripen Fighter jets, and the fact that Sweden and Finland already have security guarantees from the US and the UK means Putin can not mess with them.

Putin might just want to take his losses and not suffer more embarrassment with another fruitless adventure with more powerful and militarily p and politically prepared countries.
this is the truth but not everyone will agree with you!

As it is Russia is like s wounded bear and can't afford to fight another war!

The best course of Russia presently is to try and recuperate

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by compton11(m): 5:26pm On May 16, 2022
Rebelutionary:

Uncle how did NATO "abandon" Ukraine? Please help us answer this simple question.
that question supposed to be direct to zelensky
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 989900: 5:26pm On May 16, 2022
AldrichAmes:


I don’t remember Russia setting a date for when Ukraine will fall - that was noise from western capitals who thought Russia would replicate American “shock and awe” and use its full military power. And this is the reason why they keep expecting Russia to mobilise, lol.

People need to understand that US and Russian military doctrines are different. US doctrine is mostly Nazi German doctrine with a sprinkle of old Soviet doctrine - with massive air power and heavy bombardment. Russian doctrine is mostly artillery and tank warfare deep in battle with attrition. Two different countries, two different mentalities and doctrines. Russia’s style does cost more lives but once they crush you - you’re crushed for generations.

The whole Sweden and Finland joining NATO is more symbolic than strategic since both have been indirectly part of NATO for over 2 decades. They just made it formality now. And they’re not different from Estonia and Lithuania that are NATO members. Ukraine is much more important due to Sea of Azov - losing that would cripple Russia.

Anyway, there’s a reason why Russians are the best chess players in the world. Russians are slow to react but when they react - it always come with a bigger blow. With the current CSTO meeting going on in Russia and the announcement of a dozen more countries joining the organisation - be on the lookout for Mexico, Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina to join the next batch (Argentina is currently in Russia as an observer). Once they join CSTO - the US will cry and throw its toys out of the pram, lol.

The above are figments of your imagination.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 1stGenAmerican(f): 5:28pm On May 16, 2022
sukkot:
comrade sweden too like wawulence. seriousy though this thing is going the way It Is supposed to go because putIn will have no choice now but to make an example out of sweden and finland and then usa would be forced to join and then china will hop in with putin and before you know it ? a new world order will be created out of the ashes that remain In the world. millions would be killed. yall get ready. its about to go downnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn WW3

How will Putin make an example out of those countries when he still hasn’t made an example out of Ukraine?

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by womenareapez: 5:30pm On May 16, 2022
Alexandersantos:
I want us to remember that russia has the most deadly nuclear weapon that can destroy anything that comes its way...
I keep laughing in Chinese undecided

Do you know what it takes to recommissioned a domant nuclear? grin

I know you won't even understand what I'm talking about because you are ignorant.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by sukkot: 5:31pm On May 16, 2022
1stGenAmerican:


How will Putin make an example out of those countries when he still hasn’t made an example out of Ukraine?
are you serious ? are you getting your news from western propaganda ? ukraine is in pieces as we speak.
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 1stGenAmerican(f): 5:34pm On May 16, 2022
sukkot:
are you serious ? are you getting your news from western propaganda ? ukraine is in pieces as we speak.

Yes I’m serious. If it’s propaganda then show me evidence that the war is over and Russia is the winner.
I doubt that Russia can win a war against Boko Haram. Yes, Ukraine is in pieces but it’ll be rebuilt bigger and better using frozen Russian assets.
Putin’s househelp always throws in ‘Western Propaganda’ when they don’t have rebuttals.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by Reference(m): 5:37pm On May 16, 2022
1stGenAmerican:


Excuse me but this is a big bucket of bullshit. First, China will never risk being sanctioned by the West over Russia. Russia can’t replace the Western money that China would lose and China knows this and acts accordingly.
Venezuela and Cuba? You must be blind to the current conditions of both those countries. They have nothing to offer in an alliance. Don’t forget that Venezuela is welcoming the US and its dollars with open arms.
Which non-Western European countries have refused to join NATO due to fearing Russia? Which ones are anti-NATO?
War has already broken out yet Russia still hasn’t shown the world anything impressive so what are you saying?

Don't mind them. The Chinese are not stupid. They have 1.4 billion mouths to feed. You think they will risk a 600 billion trade wallet with the United States (alone, not to talk of Europe) for Russia...

Do you know that the greatest fear the Chinese Communist party has is a relapse into the poverty of the Mao years. Do you think they will risk internal stability for sentiment.

By the way just as a serial killer will engage the best security and have two eyes at the back of his head so will China (an autocracy) never ever trust another, Russia.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by railone(m): 5:37pm On May 16, 2022
Babygreene:


He tried to join since 1998.He discussed this several times with each new incoming president but he was disdained,snubbed, ridiculed and laughed at.

NATO was created against Russia in the beginning.And they continue to torment Russia and Putin.USA are the real troublemaking bullies who go behind the scenes,hit 2 heads together and act like they are innocent and peacekeepers .

the same delusional thinking that got Russia to where it is at the moment.

USSR is not equal to Russia.

if and when you overcome that error and mistake, you will start seeing things for what they are
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by sukkot: 5:37pm On May 16, 2022
1stGenAmerican:


Yes I’m serious. I doubt that Russia can win a war against Boko Haram. Yes, Ukraine is in pieces but it’ll be rebuilt bigger and better using frozen Russian assets.
Putin’s househelp always throws in ‘Western Propaganda’ when they don’t have rebuttals.
obviously you dont know what you are taking about. putin will destroy the whole of america very soon. he has the most nuclear warheads in the world. the usa couldnt even win a war in somalia. stop playing gurl cheesy

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 1stGenAmerican(f): 5:40pm On May 16, 2022
sukkot:
obviously you dont know what you are taking about. putin will destroy the whole of america very soon. he has the most nuclear warheads in the world. the usa couldnt even win a war in somalia. stop playing gurl cheesy


Putin will never destroy America. He can’t even topple Ukraine.
Why do you tell lies? The US pulled out of Somalia after it became clear that they cared more about the country than Somalians did. Look at the condition of Somalia now war torn, undergoing famine, begging the US for help and realizing that the US has turned a deaf ear to them.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by colonelwealth(m): 5:41pm On May 16, 2022
bankylan:

What a bullshit from a dry head.



Retarded dummy.
Keep living in Nollywood fantasy of US
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by sukkot: 5:42pm On May 16, 2022
1stGenAmerican:


Lies. The US pulled out of Somalia after it became clear that they cared more about the country than Somalians did. Look at the condition of Somalia now war torn, undergoing famine, begging the US for help and realizing that the US has turned a deaf ear to them.
quit playing gurl, general aideed the somalian warlord killed all your men and dragged their dead bodies on the streets of mogadishu and shot down your black hawk helicopter and the rest of you pussy americans hightailed it out of there faster than usain bolt when you saw that these somalian warriors aint nothing to mess with

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by ThePlugg(m): 5:44pm On May 16, 2022
Russia just fvcked up badly....
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by Demolakay: 5:44pm On May 16, 2022
Reference:


How big was the island of Japan when it held the world hostage between 1937-1945, defeated and occupied China and singlehandedly (without the aid of foreign forces) ran riot throughout Asia till the edge of the middle east....and even after being hit with two atomic weapons only surrendered when Russia did not comit to neutrality.

Oga. War is a classic case of the size of the fight in the dog. Even you can see what ragtag bandits and insurgents have made of your Nigerian Army.

Remember the Wehrmacht were just 20 kilometers from Moscow in November 1941 when they were frozen out by weather and Hitler's pride and greed....

I seriously think not.

u are contradicting urself bro. how powerful were dose countries compared to Japan den? u said Russia may bcom a province in china.nd I critique date statement, asking how is dat possible.Am not arguing Abt military might or size,we all knw d size of a country dose nt determine its military might,but Russia is d second biggest country in d world militarily,Soo how is ur assertions possible?
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by colonelwealth(m): 5:45pm On May 16, 2022
1stGenAmerican:


All the countries you named (excluding Cuba) receive millions of dollars in US foreign aid yearly. The leaders of those countries know that Russia can’t and won’t replace the US aid that they’ve become dependent on so you’re talking rubbish. You have more hope for Russia than Putin has.


Aid from a heavily indebted country like US..?
A country that owes practically most of other nations& stills gives them aid just to boast her ego...with minimal expansionist exploitation of others, Russia&China have built huge real wealth enough for themselves without noise.

Check the debt profile, foreign reserves, internal reserves, gold reserves & energy reserves of Russia&USA and come back to tell me which is truly wealthy.

Wealth is when your real economy is not debt induced or theory.
Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by Basher8583: 5:46pm On May 16, 2022
HIGHESTPOPORI:
Putin senseless war is causing more problems for Russia already, now people know Russia military is not that strong.

Its you people on social media that think so. Those spreading the lies know the truth. Even NATO knows the truth and understand the mess they are getting themself into.

So NATO is uniting forces because they want to fight just one country... Russia.

Does that make sense to you?

Lets say they eventually manage to defeat Russia... what will then be the purpose of NATO thereafter .... Oh lets see... They will go and look for another enemy to create and fight. Maybe.... China..

And you say Russia is a bully...

Una no well at all. All the European leaders running to NATO no smart at all

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 1stGenAmerican(f): 5:46pm On May 16, 2022
sukkot:
quit playing gurl, general aideed the somalian warlord killed all your men and dragged their dead bodies on the streets of mogadishu and shot down your black hawk helicopter and the rest of you pussy americans hightailed it out of there faster than usain bolt when you saw that these somalian warriors aint nothing to mess with

The US lost 18 soldiers before leaving the Somalians to fight amongst themselves and kill each other. Years later, there is still infighting, genocide, famine, and the Somalians continue to kill eachother, bringing even more ruin to their war torn country.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by AldrichAmes: 5:47pm On May 16, 2022
Rebelutionary:

1. Yes, No countries sets a date per say for when a country will fall but you will agree with me with the massing of troops that took place months ahead before the invasion you wouldn't expect Ukraine to be standing but here we are 83 days later and they are not any closer to their military objectives. Not one landmark milestone achieved! Maybe you would tell me one...not Kiev not kharkiv. Even the Russians are miffed that it is dragging this long with casualties pouring in!

2. Concentrating their offensive on the Donbass was an afterthought after realising that they obviously can't take the whole country, oust the president and install their puppet! Tell me which would have sent a more convincing message of Russia's military dominance-taking Ukraine convincingly or grappling at straws to fight for the Donbass region? Now you see the lie in your Azov sea position!

3. The same fear that propelled the invasion of Ukraine is what he made happen quicker! What folly! If it is chess Russia just got schooled. There is nothing like indirect membership in NATO, you are either in or not! Russia should touch any of these countries and he will be surprised!

4. CSTO? please dont make me laugh abeg...was that a typo or something? Did you see the list of countries you are listing? There is nothing to watch out for abeg and wont even bother making a comment on that.

Read this: Win or Lose, Russia has lost!

1. If you agree that all the “Ukraine will fall in days” nonsense are just western crap - why are you alluding to it when Russians never set a date?

The initial amassing of troops on the border was just a show of force by Russia since Ukraine was also amassing troops to invade the Donbass region. And something most people are oblivious to is that there have been a civil war in that region for 8yrs and Ukraine was amassing troops in invade it this summer.

As we all know now (both from western and Russian sources) - invasion initially wasn’t on the table for Russia despite amassing troops there (Russia did the same thing in 2014 and didn’t invade). Putin just decided to invade spontaneously without consulting a lot of power brokers in Russia due to intelligence from FSB that he had to do it fast, else it’s going to be a massacre/genocide in Donbass. So there’s no timetable.

Also, when Putin invaded, he never said anything about taking the whole of Ukraine including Kiev - what he said are:

i. Demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine.
ii. Ukraine will maintain neutrality.
iii. Independence of Donbass region which includes: Luhansk, Donetsk and Mariupol.

And all three are going to plan. He’s demilitarising/denazifying Ukraine. 95% of Luhansk is liberated. 85% of Donetsk is Liberated. Mariupol is technically liberated apart from the ones hiding in Azovstal bunker and most of them surrendered today. He also gained Kherson and Melitopol. And Ukraine isn’t part of NATO.

So, where did you get Kiev and Kharkiv from when it was never announced as part of the objective? I guess you don’t understand what military feint is. Russia didn’t deploy enough troops in Ukraine to take those places - it only deployed 150k troops out of the 1million active troops. It would need twice that number to take those cities. Perhaps they might be added in phase 3 but right now - they were never part of the objective.

And the US and Kurd forces spent 9 months in taking Mosul from ISIS. US and British forces numbering 20k spent 2months in taking Fallujah from 3k Iraqi militants. US spent 20yrs in Afghanistan and didn’t conquer the whole country. Russians are outnumbered by 3:1 - so 83 days isn’t a long time in a war of attrition.

2. Ousting the president was never part of the objective. That’s just western BS. If they wanted to oust it - they would’ve bombed government buildings and foreign dignitaries won’t be going to Kiev the way they’re. The plan was to force him to implement the Minsk agreement hence the earlier negotiations. But now they’ll enforce it on the battlefield.

As for Donbass - read my post 1 thoroughly. Putin recognised Donbass as independent countries a week before the invasion and that was part of the main objectives.

I doubt you know where Sea of Azov is on the map and you most likely failed geography in school. After that, go read about why Russia took Crimea in 2014. Sea of Azov has nothing to do with Donbass, lol.

3. You’re clueless, it’s pitiful. I doubt you have a clue about what Monroe Doctrine entails. Any knowledgeable person with a brain who understands Monroe Doctrine would know Mexico, Cuba, Nicaragua, Brazil and Argentina joining CSTO would make the US cry and most likely declare war.

I’m done with you - you’re not as educated and knowledgeable as I initially thought.

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by 1stGenAmerican(f): 5:47pm On May 16, 2022
Basher8583:


Its you people on social media that think so. Those spreading the lies know the truth. Even NATO knows the truth and understand the mess they are getting themself into.

So NATO is uniting forces because they want to fight just one country... Russia.

Does that make sense to you?

Lets say they eventually manage to defeat Russia... what will then be the purpose of NATO thereafter .... Oh lets see... They will go and look for another enemy to create and fight. Maybe.... China..

And you say Russia is a bully...

Una no well at all. All the European leaders running to NATO no smart at all

Did you bother to read what you typed before clicking Submit?

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Re: Sweden Ends Neutrality, Joins Finland In Seeking NATO Membership by sukkot: 5:48pm On May 16, 2022
1stGenAmerican:


The US lost 18 soldiers. The US left the Somalians to fight amongst themselves and kill each other. Years later, there is still infighting, genocide, famine, and the Somalians continue to kill eachother, bringing even more ruin to their war torn country.
yeah 18 of you hamburger eating mahfuggas was taken out by somalian warlords. the rest of you ran back to babylon to lick and nurse your wounds

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