elated177:
El Elohe Yahshrael!

Daniel 10:21 but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.

Some people use the Scripture above to support their claim that Michael is also Yahushua the Messiah. They fail to acknowledge the portion below:

Revelation 10: 13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.

Michael was referred to as one of the chief princes. It means, therefore, that there are/were other chief princes.


Yahushua the Messiah is the Word of YHVH Almighty, the Father. There is none like him. He has no equal among everything created by the Father.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

johhbekeboh09:
What's the name of the translation you quoted revelation '10:13': Ther's no revelation 10:13 in KJV & NWT

cornelboy:

Lol have I ever disputed that he said that?

He also said the son made the heavens and the earth..

Hebrews 1:10
[10]He also says to the Son,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth
    and made the heavens with your hands.

And it says here that God created the universe through Jesus the son.

[2]And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.

Figure it out 😂😂

johnw47:

yes, by their fruits "sewer talk" you will know them you think saved christians don't have work along with faith shows how you have been blinded:
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

johnw47:

you know i don't give pearls to satan's false jw dogs and pigs:
Mat_7:6  Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine,

Jokerman:

And who told you believers don't do this?

Jokerman:
My last post to the deceived JW concerning Archangel Michael not being the same as Jesus Christ.

1. Jude 9 says that Michael would not rebuke or accuse Satan on His own authority, but only say “The Lord rebuke you.” This shows that Michael isn’t Jesus, because Jesus often rebuked Satan and demons in His own authority (Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:8, 4:35).


Janosky, cornelboy etc

Oga, for two (2) reasons you are not honest.
@Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35, did your own Bible say Jesus rebuke Satan?

No,is the answer.

Did your own Bible says Jesus had interaction with Satan @Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35?
No,is the answer.
In those portions of scriptures you cited, Jesus Christ expelled demons,Satan wasn't there.

The other verse, Luke 4:8, what was Jesus doing in that verse?
@ Luke 4:8,Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 ("Worship Jehovah your God alone" to challenge Satan.

What was archangel Michael doing @Jude 1:9?

Archangel Michael quoted Zechariah 3:2 @Jude1:9 saying: "Lord (Jehovah) rebuke you".
This Jude 1:9 is further evidence of Jesus identity as archangel Michael because he quoted the holy scriptures of Zechariah 3:2 to challenge Satan in the same manner that Jesus Christ @Luke 4:8 quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 to challenge Satan.

Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, the angel of the Lord @ Genesis 16:7 already confirmed by your fellow Trinitarians.

johhbekeboh09:
What's the name of the translation you quoted revelation '10:13': Ther's no revelation 10:13 in KJV & NWT

Janosky:


Oga, for two (2) reasons you are not honest.
@Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35, did your own Bible say Jesus rebuke Satan?

No,is the answer.

Did your own Bible says Jesus had interaction with Satan @Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35?
No,is the answer.
In those portions of scriptures you cited, Jesus Christ expelled demons,Satan wasn't there.

The other verse, Luke 4:8, what was Jesus doing in that verse?
@ Luke 4:8,Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 ("Worship Jehovah your God alone" to challenge Satan.

What was archangel Michael doing @Jude 1:9?

Archangel Michael quoted Zechariah 3:2 @Jude1:9 saying: "Lord (Jehovah) rebuke you".
This Jude 1:9 is further evidence of Jesus identity as archangel Michael because he quoted the holy scriptures of Zechariah 3:2 to challenge Satan in the same manner that Jesus Christ @Luke 4:8 quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 to challenge Satan.

Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, the angel of the Lord @ Genesis 16:7 already confirmed by your fellow Trinitarians.

Jokerman:


2. Who fights in this battle? This is truly a battle between equals. The dragon represents Satan (Revelation 12:9), and Satan is not the counterpart of God – God has no counterpart. If anyone, Satan is the counterpart of Michael, who seems to be the chief angel opposite this chief of fallen angels.

Jokerman:


3. Some say Michael must be Jesus, because he has his angels. But if Satan – a fallen angelic being – has his angels (Revelation 12:7), can’t Michael – an unfallen angelic being – have his angels?

Angel meaning Messenger/Minister/Son of God.

Sir,I have 2 questions for you:
According to your own Bible , John 7:16,Matthew 20:28 & Matthew 16:16-17, did Jesus Christ say himself is a Messenger/Minister/Son of God?
Yes, Jesus is!

According to your Bible from Genesis to Revelation,
@Matthew 25:31, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 &
2 Thessalonians 1:8, Daniel 10:13, Daniel 12:1 & Revelation 12:7-9,who is the angel leading other angels in battle and victory?

Looking at the screenshot, Hebrew 259 lexicon "one of/the one" meaning 'First', Senior @ Daniel 10:13, Exodus 1:15,Genesis 4:19,Genesis10:25 etc.
Jesus Christ is Senior to ALL angels, leading them in battle and victory.

Jokerman:


Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

Jokerman:

Can you explain why Archangel Michael couldn't cast out the accuser from heaven until the man child was taken up to heaven?

Jokerman:



Mark 1:25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.

Jokerman:



Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

MaxInDHouse:

Has he been given the authority yet? Matthew 28:18

Janosky:

Jesus challenged the devil with this quote of Deuteronomy 6:13.
The same manner archangel Michael challenge the devil with a quote of Zechariah 3:2
:"the Lord (Jehovah) rebuke you".

Janosky:

Mark 1:24-25

Jesus Expels an Unclean Spirit
…24“What do You want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!” 25But Jesus rebuked the spirit. “Be silent!” He said.....

Oga, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.

Jokerman:

Lol...so when did he get this authority? Is it when he died and resurrected and went back to heaven?

MaxInDHouse:

Has he been given the authority yet? Matthew 28:18
What you don't know is that Michael always come to the rescue of God's people anytime Satan attacks so he is doing the same thing when he came to the earth but after his earthly mission has been completed {John 19:30} he was resurrected into glory that's why he could say ALL powers has been given him now {Matthew 28:18} but before then all he could do is scare away Satan just as he did when other lesser angels wanted to bury Moses and Satan came to make use of his body, just as he did when a lesser angel was sent to Daniel and Satan blocked the angel from reaching Daniel, just as he did when he's human and demons were possessing his own people right in his presence. But after his resurrection he has been given the power to oust Satan and other demons from heaven yet he must wait for orders from his father who is the father of all other angels too! Psalms 110:1-2

Jokerman:

See Jesus own, "Get thee behind me,Satan"

MaxInDHouse:

After his successfully earthly mission he said:

When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit. John 19:30

So after his resurrection he could say:

"All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth" Matthew 28:18

MaxInDHouse:

Simply means
"get out of here"
Which anyone could say to a colleague who is trying to disturb you on duty.
Note that Jesus couldn't attack anyone during his earthly ministry rather he was hiding and running away from his enemies but after his resurrection he attacked Saul from the sky.

That's what all AUTHORITY means!

Jokerman:

So why did Jesus give authority to us believers before he was resurrected?

Jokerman:

The same Jesus that was healing the sick, casting out devils or gave his disciples power to cast out devils or the same Jesus that shut up the raging waves or Jesus that dried up the fig tree??

Jesus was hiding and running from his enemies 🤣🤣🤣... JW man,please tell God to open your eyes with the help of the holy ghost to understand the things of God... Please

Jokerman:


2. Then in Revelation chapter 12.

Can you explain why Archangel Michael couldn't cast out the accuser from heaven until the man child was taken up to heaven?

MaxInDHouse:

That's the authority all faithful servants of God have as long as they're doing God's work they have the right to send away demons who are trying to disturb them.
Note that demons have no right on planet earth it was sin that granted them access to this planet otherwise Satan and his demons has no right to dispossess humans of their sanity. So servants of God has the right to send them away!

Janosky:


Thanks for this question.
1. Because Jehovah God works with timeline to fulfill his purpose, Ecclesiastes 3:1,8. Revelation 12:7-9.

2. Also, because Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.
The answer is in your Bible.
Psalms 110:1 "Jehovah said to my Lord (Jesus):
Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a stool for your feet".

Peter @ Acts 2:32-36, revealed that the prophecy of Psalms 110:1 was fulfilled after was raised from death to life in heaven.

Ephesians 1:20-22, at the appointed time,God his Father gave the Order for Jesus/ Michael the archangel leading other angels in battle to "make his enemies a stool for his feet" chasing them out of heaven.

1 John 3:8 "for this purpose Jesus Christ (as archangel Michael) was made manifest (in Revelation 12:7-9) to destroy the works of the devil".

To fulfill the first prophecy of the holy scriptures: Genesis 3:15= Revelation 12:7-9,1 John 3:8.

Jokerman:


Oga, what's this??

Are demons not devils?? Are they not fallen angels along with their master, Lucifer?

Janosky:


Thanks for this question.
1. Because Jehovah God works with timeline to fulfill his purpose, Ecclesiastes 3:1,8. Revelation 12:7-9.

2. Also, because Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.
The answer is in your Bible.
Psalms 110:1 "Jehovah said to my Lord (Jesus):
Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a stool for your feet".

Peter @ Acts 2:32-36, revealed that the prophecy of Psalms 110:1 was fulfilled after was raised from death to life in heaven.

Ephesians 1:20-22, at the appointed time,God his Father gave the Order for Jesus/ Michael the archangel leading other angels in battle to "make his enemies a stool for his feet" chasing them out of heaven.

1 John 3:8 "for this purpose Jesus Christ (as archangel Michael) was made manifest (in Revelation 12:7-9) to destroy the works of the devil".

To fulfill the first prophecy of the holy scriptures: Genesis 3:15= Revelation 12:7-9,1 John 3:8.

Jokerman:

You said Jesus Christ had only authority after he resurrected, but when he was Michael he had no such authority... And I gave you a scripture that Jesus had the Authority even before he was resurrected.
See Archangel Michael is the angel in charge of War. There is also archangel Gabriel,Uriel, Raphael... The El in these names mean God.

Janosky:

Did Matthew 17:18 , Luke 4:35 etc say nah demons were expelled?

Yes.

Jokerman:


Lol...English is not hard.

Michael said," The Lord rebuke you"

See Jesus own, "Get thee behind me,Satan"