Beaf:

History has a way of showing up a mans habits. Salami made grave allegations against Katsina-Alu. . .guess where? In the press!
When it seemed that people found that ridiculous, he made a show of going to court and then being talked out of it by eminent Nigerians! Not by lawyers, not by the judge, not by the NBA. Who are these eminent Nigerians? It would be very interesting indeed to find out.

We should not take sides in matters like this, but let due process take its cause.

I believe he filed a case in court before his suspension. I don't know the details, but it won't be a stretch to assume his allegations against Katsina Alu is included.

Anyway, let's wait and see how this will end. Even ghaddafi sef cannot last for ever.

okada_man:

I believe he filed a case in court before his suspension. I don't know the details, but it won't be a stretch to assume his allegations against Katsina Alu is included.

Anyway, let's wait and see how this will end. Even ghaddafi sef cannot last for ever.

He did file a case, but it has nothing to do with Katsina-Alu. His case was to stop the NJC from taking action against him.
Unfortunately, that didn't wash. No responsible country can allow its judiciary become involved in all sorts of personal squabbles that don't speak well, its just unprofessional and stinks of corruption. Too many things are hanging over the names of our judges; the place needs cleaning up.

Beaf:

He did file a case, but it has nothing to do with Katsina-Alu. His case was to stop the NJC from taking action against him.
Unfortunately, that didn't wash. No responsible country can allow its judiciary become involved in all sorts of personal squabbles that don't speak well, its just unprofessional and stinks of corruption. Too many things are hanging over the names of our judges; the place needs cleaning up.

Hypocritical dunce !! "The place needs cleaning up" my foot. GEJ did not remember that our legislative image is battered and in need of "cleaning up" when , as C-in-C, he looked away while , to the total humiliation of Nigeria, 9 lawmakers comically impeached 15 in Ogun State . This illegal arrangement was shamefully allowed , for many months, to stand till the end of the last republic by GEJ!!! Man mi , you are a disgraceful and totally discredited sycophant !!!

Salami was the architect of his problems. After the trouble started it became obvious that Salami had become a principality.
He needed to go for the sake of the country.

[size=50pt]God will definitely take side with Justice Ayo Salami in the Case,
He is The man who stood against fraud,
he stood against deceit,
he stood against Election rigging,
he stood against manipulators,
he stood against murderers,
he stood against the PDP election riggers,
he stood against those who never wanted Nigeria to move forward,
he was the hope of the common man,
he stood against all the con men of PDP,
God Will Bless Justice Ayo Salami and make him emerge victorious over this Barbaric PDP and their Judicial co looters and Riggers God bless Justice Ayo Salami [/size]

Gbawe:

Hypocritical dunce !! "The place needs cleaning up" my foot. GEJ did not remember that our legislative image is battered and in need of "cleaning up" when , as C-in-C, he looked away while , to the total humiliation of Nigeria, 9 lawmakers comically impeached 15 in Ogun State . This illegal arrangement was shamefully allowed , for many months, to stand till the end of the last republic by GEJ!!! Man mi , you are a disgraceful and totally discredited sycophant !!!

As much as i disagree with that thing called beaf and really wish i could hand him over to some MOPOL to beat some sense into his thick, dim skull, i would urge you too to get your facts right.

What happened in Ogun was that a few lawmakers sat and impeached the speaker and the deputy and not that a few lawmakers sat and impeached the majority like you have been stating all along.

Johndoe100:

Salami was the architect of his problems. After the trouble started it became obvious that Salami had become a principality.
He needed to go for the sake of the country.

Shut up hypocrite !! Why could you, GEJ and others not decide that those who carried out the illegal impeachment in Ogun State "needed to go for the sake of the Country"? The only way forward for Nigeria is for us to strengthen our institutions with total and consistent sincerity . The totally wrong path , for a Nation such as ours, is for bigots and sycophants like you to take a a hypocritically pious stance today, because it suits the defense you propagate for your hero, only for it to be crystal clear you never spoke up yesterday when this same hero of yours was acting in a manner that makes it clear that he has no abiding commitment to the rule of law and the strengthening of Nigerian institutions .

dustydee:

That Question is yet to be answered. But what the NJC is saying is that he lied

ok, lets get the facts right. If i'm not mistaken, all these wouldn't have happened is Salami had apologized to Katsina right? he was asked to apologize but he felt otherwise and went to the court claiming that the panel was bias right?
Why didnt GEJ just stayed for some time for the case to be dispensed in the law court before doing what he did?
Or is NJC above the law? is this body above the court?
na wa oooo

Beaf:

He did file a case, but it has nothing to do with Katsina-Alu.

How did you know that? Have you read the full brief?

It will be a tad silly if he did not provide some points about why he believe he's been targeted. If he did, I expect his allegations against Katsina Alu to feature prominently in that brief.

It's common sense.

No responsible country can allow its judiciary become involved in all sorts of personal squabbles that don't speak well

Salami was not "squabbling" with himself alone. Nor be shadow boxing, why not suspend both of them?

Demdem:

ok, lets get the facts right. If i'm not mistaken, all these wouldn't have happened is Salami had apologized to Katsina right? he was asked to apologize but he felt otherwise and went to the court claiming that the panel was bias right?
Why didnt GEJ just stayed for some time for the case to be dispensed in the law court before doing what he did?
Or is NJC above the law? is this body above the court?
na wa oooo

GOD Bless you jare

fork adict:

As much as i disagree with that thing called beaf and really wish i could hand him over to some MOPOL to beat some sense into his thick, dim skull, i would urge you too to get your facts right.

What happened in Ogun was that a few lawmakers sat and impeached the speaker and the deputy and not that a few lawmakers sat and impeached the majority like you have been stating all along.

My bad . I see my error now. It was slip of the tongue when I said 9 lawmakers impeached 15 . The main argument is still relevant i.e 9 lawmakers decided to impeach the speaker of the house . 15 resisted their effort !! The voice of the 9 carried the day , when it should never have been so, simply because the PDP is a Party of gangsters who do not recognise the tenets of democracy !! GEJ did nothing to correct that anomaly and the dangerous judicial precedent it set back then. It is therefore hypocritical of Beaf or anyone else to now contend that GEJ wants to "clean up" our judicial institution.


http://newsdiaryonline.com/ogun_rape.htm

ON THE violation OF THE RULE OF LAW IN OGUN STATE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY
By Sylvester C. Udemezue          Newsdiaryonline    Sun Sep 12,2010



[b]The September 6, 2010 impeachment of the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker of Ogun State House of Assembly and suspension of 15 members of the House, including the impeached Speaker, by only nine (9) members of the 26-member House mark another attempt at disparaging Nigeria`s efforts at enthroning constitutionalism and rule of law. The actions of the nine-member faction of the House were/are a brazen illegality, and reminds one of the illegal impeachment of Governor Joshua Dariye on November 6, 2006 by a six-member faction of the 24-member Plateau State House of Assembly, which was later, and fittingly, nullified by both the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of Nigeria. [/b]See DAPIANLONG V DARIYE (2007) 8 NWLR (Pt. 1036) 289. I shall illustrate the illegality of the Ogun State incident by trying to provide answers to three major questions raised by that show of shame: Was the Speaker validly impeached by one-third (1/3) majority of the House? Can nine (9) out of the 26 members that make up Ogun State House of assembly validly conduct the business of the House in the absence of both the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker? Can nine (9) members validly suspend fifteen (15) members in a 26-member democratic Legislative House?                                                                                        

On the first question, section 92 (2) (c) of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, provides that “The Speaker or Deputy Speaker of the House of Assembly (of a State) shall vacate his office if he is removed from office by a resolution of the House of Assembly supported by the votes of not less than two-thirds majority of the members of the House.” In DAPIANLONG V DARIYE (supra), the Supreme Court of Nigeria (per Walter Samuel Nkanu Onnoghen JSC in the lead judgment) held that the expression “two-thirds of the members” of the Plateau State House of Assembly refers to “two-thirds of ALL the members of the Plateau State House of Assembly which is made up of 24 members; that is 16 members. It is not in doubt that the word "ALL" means; entire, complete, the whole number of; every one of. See page 47 of Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged Second Edition, 1975.” It therefore follows that the purported impeachment of the Ogun Speaker by only nine members of the House (1/3 majority) is unconstitutional, illegal, void and of no effect whatsoever. So also is the purported election of a replacement for the impeached Speaker by the same nine-member faction.

Second, on the issue of whether the nine (9) members validly conducted the business of the Ogun State House of Assembly on September 6, 2010 without the participation of both the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker, the Constitution provides that the Quorum of a House of Assembly shall be one-third of all the members of the House (s. 96 (1)). And a House of Assembly may validly act notwithstanding any vacancy in its membership (s. 102). Also, the Speaker of the House (or in his absence the Deputy Speaker) shall preside at any sitting of the House. But where both the Speaker and his Deputy are absent at any sitting, such member of the House as the House may elect for a purpose shall preside (see s. 95 (1) & (2)). From the above provisions of the Constitution, especially sections 96 and 102, it is clear that members constituting not less than one-third (1/3) majority of the total membership of the House can validly conduct the affairs of the House, with the Speaker (or the Deputy Speaker) presiding. However, on any particular day where a quorum is formed in the absence of the Speaker and Deputy Speaker, the House is permitted under section 95 (2) to elect any member of the House to preside over its proceedings for that day. Accordingly, the nine members of the Ogun State House of Assembly might have validly convened and conducted proceedings of the House on September 6, 2010 by virtue of having formed a quorum under 96(1) of the Constitution. It must however be stressed that this is only for the purpose of conducting ordinary proceedings of the House. Where the consideration of special or extra ordinary matters requiring two-thirds majority of all members of the House (such as impeachment of the Speaker or his Deputy under section 92 (2) (c) of the Constitution)  is in hand, the nine (9) members clearly do not constitute at least two-thirds of all the 26 members of the Ogun State House of Assembly, and so remained incompetent and not qualified to initiate and or conduct valid proceedings in such special or extra ordinary matters in the House. (see the judgment of Mahmud Mohammed, J.S.C in DAPIANLONG V DARIYE (supra); see also Inakoju v. Adeleke (2007) 4 NWLR (pt, 1025) 423. It is my respectful view that the approval of the N100 billion bond for the Governor also falls among special/extra-ordinary matters and as such can only be carried out by at least two-thirds majority of the membership of the House, which the 9 members obviously do not constitute.

What is more, that only nine (9) members (the minority) of a 26-member Legislative House sat and passed a resolution purporting to suspend fifteen (15) members (the majority) of the same House in a Democracy is not only an act of legislative waywardness but runs against everything that democracy symbolizes. Democracy is government of the people by the people; the people exercise their ruler-ship rights either directly or through their elected representatives. Now, since the people (or their representatives) are rarely unanimous, democracy as a descriptive term has come to be synonymous with majority rule, majoritarianism, where the views of the majority will always prevail over those of the minority, rather than vice versa. It would therefore amount to a negation of the character and object of democracy for minority resolutions to be permitted to override those of the majority. Beside this, one other issue that casts serious doubt on the legality of the sitting of that faction of the Ogun State House of Assembly on September 6, 2010 is the media report that the nine-member faction convened and conducted the affairs of the day without the official Mace, which is the symbol of authority of the House, and without which the House can hardly conduct valid proceedings. Yet again is the allegation by the 15-member faction (led by the Speaker, Hon Tunji Egbetokun) that the House had validly proceeded on recess and was still on recess as at September 6 when the 9-member faction purportedly sat. If answers to these posers are in the affirmative, then, added to what has been discussed above,  one can safely conclude that the said session by only nine (9) out of the 26 members that make up the House was/is only a charade, an exercise in vainness

In conclusion, the Ogun House saga was not the first of its kind in Nigeria since the country`s return to democratic rule in 1999. If one recalls the various instances in the past in which the rule of law had been unabashedly taken for a ride in this country, in a do-or-die manner, one cannot but conclude that, it seems, some Nigerian politicians and political office holders are yet to come to term with the fact of rule of law being the substratum of an lasting democratic rule, and that any democracy that fails to sympathise with this fact is bound in the long run to crash. If Nigeria and its infantile democracy must endure, we all have to hold fast to due process of law in all situations without exception, notwithstanding whose ox is gored. All well-meaning Nigerians must therefore denounce the September 6 coup d’état perpetrated in Ogun State House of Assembly, the same being a barefaced violation of the Constitution. The rule of law demands supremacy or predominance of regular law, as opposed to use and or influence of arbitrary power. It insists that no man or institution is above the law, that is, there is only one law for all and sundry, whose application must not be selective and to which all are necessarily subject; what is good for the goose must be good for the gander! The law is not, and must not be used as, a weapon of tyranny, intimidation and victimization of political opponents. Section 1 (1) of the Nigerian Constitution provides that “this Constitution is Supreme and its provisions shall have binding force on all authorities and persons throughout the Federal Republic of Nigeria.” In Military Governor of Lagos State vs. Ojukwu (2001) FWLR (Part 50) 1779 at 1802 & 1799, the Supreme court stressed that “the Nigerian Constitution is founded on the rule of law, the primary meaning of which is that everything must be done according to law. Nigeria, being one of the countries in the world which profess loudly to follow the rule of law, there is no room for the rule of self help by force to operate.”

Sylvester C. Udemezue,  Lecturer,Nigerian Law School,   Victoria Island, Lagos, Nigeria                                                                                                              

http://74.54.143.9/~people/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14041:my-impeachment-is-illegal-says-ogun-speaker&catid=16:national-news&Itemid=33

My impeachment is illegal, says Ogun Speaker
Tuesday, 07 September 2010 04:53
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The impeached Speaker of the Ogun House of Assembly, Mr Tunji Egbetokun, yesterday said his impeachment by his colleagues is “illegal, null and void.” Eight members of the Ogun State House of Assembly reportedly impeached the speaker on yesterday morning over alleged gross misconduct. The group also reportedly suspended 14 other members of the House.
[b]But addressing journalists in Lagos, along with 13 of the suspended legislators, Egbetokun said the eight lawmakers did not constitute the required quorum to impeach a speaker.
“Section 92 subsection 3 of the constitution provides that, to suspend a speaker will require approval of two-thirds of the members of the House. Out of 26 members of the House, only eight were part of the impeachment, which is fewer than what is required to remove a speaker from office,’’ [/b]he said. Egbetokun described the impeachment as a charade which should be disregarded. He said it was wrong for legislators to breach the law instead of protecting it, addying that the House remained adjourned till the end of it recess.
The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that the assembly’s Deputy Speaker and its Deputy Majority Leader, Messrs Remi Hassan and Michael Fasinu, respectively, were at the news conference.

Beaf: simple question -

Should Katsina Alu not also have been similarly suspended while the allegations against him were pending?

Do you believe Katsina Aku has no case to answer?

I am weary and tired of you. Can you NEVER see something wrong and admit it? So long as its GEJ you will ALWAYS support the government, no matter how absurd it is.

You have become a stinking swine of the worst form of hypocritical sycophancy in this country, and I must confess that you are absolutely worthless as a human being.

Gbawe:

What nonsense are you talking about? You are the one who does not have his facts right . I am arguing that the decision of the minority carried the day illegally against judicial provisions that clearly outlines how a majority-backed decision is always required for a legally enforceable judgement !!! 9 lawmakers decided to impeach the speaker of the house . 15 resisted their effort !! The voice of the 9 carried the day , when it should never have been so, simply because the PDP is a Party of gangsters who do not recognise the tenets of democracy !! Please refrain from revisionist arguments. Even Wole Soyinka, a prominent son of Ogun State, spoke against the illegality . I think you need your memory jogged .

http://newsdiaryonline.com/ogun_rape.htm

http://74.54.143.9/~people/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14041:my-impeachment-is-illegal-says-ogun-speaker&catid=16:national-news&Itemid=33

Beaf who defends even the indefensible so long as GEJ is involved is obviously a stinking swine of the worst form of hypocritical sycophancy in this country.

I am convinced that he is either Jonathan himself, or a close relative, or an employee.

As far as i'm concern I refuse in totality to admit that Salami was suspended and been replaced because the game was to frustrate CPC petition. If we follow this man well he has be a little bit controversial man for sometime now and beside is not every action govt. take should be seen as political move.

If a person of his calibre was find wanting he is not too big to be sanction. And by saying the action was an effort to frustrate CPC petition I dont see it that way beside CPC has no petition to table they are just wasting their time Nigeria has moved on and the job has started no one can send Nigeria back to April poll again let them wait till 2015. Another June 12 will not occur in Nigeria again so let all CPC noise makers and mr bla bla just get calm and move on

REP S NIG:

Beaf: simple question -

Should Katsina Alu not also have been similarly suspended while the allegations against him were pending?

Do you believe Katsina Aku has no case to answer?

I am weary and tired of you. Can you NEVER see something wrong and admit it? So long as its GEJ you will ALWAYS support the government, no matter how absurd it is.

You have become a stinking swine of the worst form of hypocritical sycophancy in this country, and I must confess that you are absolutely worthless as a human being.

Thank you !! Where does shameless sycophancy and a.s.slicking end for some people ? I can only watch events in Libya with sheer envy !!!

@Beaf

Going by your assertion here, I also expected GEJ to have suspended Inde Dikko of Customs when Festus Keyamo took him to court with hard evidence on certificates forgery until the case is finally settled by court. Not one not two forgeries but heck, GEJ was quite deaf as long as that issue remained and this same corrupt man is still Custom's Boss.

When exactly was it that GEJ woke up to discover that appointing an acting president in place of Salami is the best cause of action and thus for the interest of the Judiciary and the Nation? why didn't he apply the same solution in Dikko's case? What of the Ogun State Saga as Gbawe pointed out? We also saw how the Court granted Akpan of ACN, Akwa Ibom bail only to be rearrested, detained and even slapped within court premises and yet, this same GEJ that is now protecting the integrity of the Judiciary never altered a single word in condemnation of that act.

Honestly sometimes I wonder how you are able to turn things around without a pang of guilt hitting your conscience that what you are doing or  saying is wrong from the moral aspect of things. Really Baffles me.

^ Its honestly amazing just how bereft of a conscience Beaf is.

I dont think anybody takes Beaf seriously any more. He is the king off faeces-licking sycophants.

CPC is always crying foul,to hell with all these cock and bull stories.

Gray Beard:

I dont think anybody takes Beaf seriously any more. He is the king off faeces-licking sycophants.

Actually, BEAF is a LIAR. that has been confirmed. let him challenge me and i will prove my case beyond all reasonable doubt.

Mr. president's action was rather hasty which casts some doubt about his 'unbiased' stance in the whole issue,frankly i am disappointed in the step he took.The suspended or now retired PAC's allegation against the CJN could not have been baseless and should have been given a fair hearing.Even if Mr. presidents intention were noble,his spontaneous reaction leaves much to be desired.Why judge a seasoned Justice of the appeal court of the Fed. Rep. of Nig. without fair hearing outside laid down provisions of the laws of the land.Mr. president you may have been right many times in the past but this time take it from me because i like you and not afraid of you, YOU ARE WRONG, yes! on this issue.If the advice of the NBA meant nothing to you then it is obvious that your administration is headed for crisis.You cannot promote the rule of law when you act like a dictator.

Nigerians voted for who they felt deserved thy mandate to rule them, the insinuation that what is happening in the judiciary has to do with CPC is an uncharitable slur against an election which too not perfect was globally accepted and being free and fair.

You guys are overlooking a most critical constitutional breach,the ursupation of the powers of the Senate by the NJC and the President.

confetti:

@Beaf

Going by your assertion here, I also expected GEJ to have suspended Inde Dikko of Customs when Festus Keyamo took him to court with hard evidence on certificates forgery until the case is finally settled by court. Not one not two forgeries but heck, GEJ was quite deaf as long as that issue remained and this same corrupt man is still Custom's Boss.

When exactly was it that GEJ woke up to discover that appointing an acting president in place of Salami is the best cause of action and thus for the interest of the Judiciary and the Nation? why didn't he apply the same solution in Dikko's case? What of the Ogun State Saga as Gbawe pointed out? We also saw how the Court granted Akpan of ACN, Akwa Ibom bail only to be rearrested, detained and even slapped within court premises and yet, this same GEJ that is now protecting the integrity of the Judiciary never altered a single word in condemnation of that act.

Honestly sometimes I wonder how you are able to turn things around without a pang of guilt hitting your conscience that what you are doing or  saying is wrong from the moral aspect of things. Really Baffles me.

Guilt for what? Please take emotion out of the calculation.

There are huge differences between a customs officer and one of the leaders of an independent arm of govt. There is no way both cases can be compared, lets not belittle our judiciary.

From my point of view, there is no way either Salami or Katsina-Alu can be allowed to continue in the judiciary. Both men have to go, luckily for Katsina-Alu he is retiring. Govt can't be run like its Dugbe market or Okija.

As for the things Gbawe said, they turned out to be false, not so? Aside from that they are 100% miss-spent emotion. In such matters, emotion does not play a part. The axe will fall on anybody that taints the perception of Nigeria, at home and abroad especially; we can't continue running around with the image of a berserk nation. The place has got to be cleaned up and sanity restored.

pokur:

You guys are overlooking a most critical constitutional breach,the ursupation of the powers of the Senate by the NJC and the President.

How?
The senate is only required if Salami is being sacked. He has been suspended until his court cases and other controversies are done, that is very far from a sacking.

naijaking1« #7 on: Today at 01:54:14 PM »

People don't even understand how serious perjury is. Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury if you must know!

Haba! stop advertising illiteracy publicly. Bill Clinton was never impeached

omo alaro:

naijaking1« #7 on: Today at 01:54:14 PM »


Haba! stop advertising illiteracy publicly. Bill Clinton was never impeached

Really?

Bill Clinton, President of the United States, was impeached [/b]by the House of Representatives on charges of [b]perjury [/b]and obstruction of justice on December 19, 1998, but acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999. Two other impeachment articles, a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power, failed in the House. The charges arose from the Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit. The trial proceedings were largely partisan, with only five Democratic Representatives voting to impeach and no Democratic Senators voting for conviction. With a two-thirds majority required for conviction, only 45 senators voted guilty on the perjury charge and 50 on the obstruction charge.[1] [b]It was only the second impeachment of a President in American history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

loool, @ someone quoting wikipedia
Maybe you should read Goodluck Jonathan's page on the same wikipedia

Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan, GCFR, BNER, GCON (born 20 November 1957[1]) is the 14th and current President of Nigeria.

He was Governor of Bayelsa State from 9 December 2005 to 28 May 2007, and was sworn in as Vice President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria on 29 May 2007. Jonathan is a member of the ruling People's Democratic Party (PDP). On 13 January 2010, a federal court handed him the power to carry out state affairs while President Umaru Yar'Adua received medical treatment in a Saudi Arabian hospital. A motion from the Nigerian Senate on 9 February 2010 confirmed these powers to act as President, in recognition of her opinion. On 24 February 2010, Yar'Adua returned to Nigeria, but Jonathan continued as acting president.[2] Upon Yar'Adua's death on 5 May 2010, Jonathan succeeded to the Presidency, taking the oath of office on 6 May 2010. However, on August 22 2011, he was impeached by the Nigerian Senate after his mouthpiece on Nairaland aka Beaf revealed that he received bribes to help launder his image and tell lies in his favour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodluck_Jonathan

Hmm i see fraud, perjury and so on but here i thought he was suspended for refusing to apologise to katsina alu,

is that all they have on him?

For those of you that dont know BEAF'S NAME ON TWITTER IS @RENOOMOKRI, as usual he got disgraced trying to go to war with @ElRufai (Mallam El Rufai). The whole world descended on him and gave him a good and sound beating till he ran off. I knew I'd meet the low-life on NL. Loser!

^
Lol!
Unu go wound person wit laf o!
I will soon be god to you as well. Dude, get lost with your mental limp.

proudly9ja:

loool, @ someone quoting wikipedia
Maybe you should read Goodluck Jonathan's page on the same wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodluck_Jonathan

Stop thinking you are clever. Wikipedia always has references, its only semi-literate folk that will get caught out by the edit you've done on GEJ's page. In any event, you are gonna be banned for that by tomorrow.

Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury. End of.

Johndoe100:

Salami was the architect of his problems. After the trouble started it became obvious that Salami had become a principality.
He needed to go for the sake of the country.

Look at this fool also trying to get some crumbs on his plate. Youre not @Renoomokri Beaf, AND YOU WILL NEVER BE, you sound really unintelligent, so just shut up while your betters do battle and stop wasting valuable bandwidth.

Imbe*cile, re-read what u wrote, does it even make sense to you?