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Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by advocatejare(m): 8:33pm On Nov 24, 2022
Muslims always lie that Moses prophesied about Muhammad in the Bible! Is this true?

Did Moses prophecy about Muhammad? Let's check the Bible.

Muslims always try to lay claim to the fact that Moses prophesied about Muhammad being a Prophet in
Deuteronomy 18:15
Moses continued, “The Lord (Yahweh) your God (Eloheka) will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers (me a he ka) . You must listen to him.

Now let's have a critical look at it
Here Moses was addressing the Israelites, which comprised 12 brothers which made up 12 tribes of Israel. The 12 tribes were brothers and biological children of Jacob/Israel!
Jacob/Israel had a brother called Esau whose tribe later became Edomites.


Ishmael was not from the tribe of Israel and he was not even a brother to Israel , Ishmael was the brother to Isaac, Isaac was the father of Jacob/Israel and Esau.


Muhammad was the descendant of Ishmael so by genealogy, Moses couldn't have been prophesying about Muhammad, was was not part of Jacob/Israel descendants.


Other points include:
1. Kings sought to destroy both Moses and Jesus when they were babies (Ex. 1,2; Mt. 2). No king tried to kill Mohammed as a baby

2. Both Moses and Christ authenticated their missions with miracles (Ex. 4:1ff; Jn. 20:30-31).
Muhammad didn't perform any miracles, not a single one, the only "miracle" he performed was sleeping with all his wives in one night and soiling his clothes with semen.


3. Both Moses and Jesus supplied bread for the people. Moses performed the miracles of manna coming from the sky, Jesus multiplied 5 loaves of bread to feed multitudes.

Muhammad didn't provide any manna neither did he multiply any bread. How then does Muhammad be like Moses?



4. Both Moses and Jesus saw God and spoke to God.
Quran 7:145 even corroborated Biblical account that God directly handed over tablets over which God's commandment was written to Moses.



"And We wrote for him on the tablets [something] of all things - instruction and explanation for all things, [saying], Take them with determination and order your people to take the best of it. I will show you the home of the defiantly disobedient."
(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 145)



Jesus told us that he is from God and everything he sees God do is what he did. God spoke directly to Moses and God. God didn't speak directly to Muhammad, it was through an "angel" in fact Muhammad denied ever seeing Allah in the Hadith.


Sahih Bukhari 4:54:457 "Narrated By 'Aisha
Whoever claimed that (the Prophet) Muhammad saw his Lord, is committing a great fault, for he only saw Gabriel in his genuine shape in which he was created covering the whole horizon."



5. Jesus specifically said he was the prophet Moses wrote about. John 5:46
"If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me."


And the Quran already said Jesus was given Holy spirit and clear proof (Q2: 87) meaning that he can't lie.



Finally,

It is stated in the Quran that Jesus didn't die, that he was raised to heaven in his body and spirit.

"Allah raised him (Jesus) up (with body and soul) to Himself (in the heavens). Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise." (An-Nisaa 4:158)

Moses said any fabricator or false prophet that tried to impersonate the Prophet he talked about shall die.

Deuteronomy 18:20
‘But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’

Only Mohammed tried to deceive people that he was the Prophet Moses talked about and Mohammed eventually died

Jesus that also said he was the Prophet Moses talked about did not die according to the Quran, and that confirms his authenticity, that among others led me to Christ.

As for Christians, we believe that Christ died for just 3 days and resurrected again and since death could not hold him down, he resurrected with his body and soul intact and then ascended to heaven and remains alive till forever, whereas Mohammed is dead.

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Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by advocatejare(m): 8:38pm On Nov 24, 2022
Antichristian has been exposed again!
Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by Steep(m): 8:39pm On Nov 24, 2022
Definitely it is Jesus.

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Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by advocatejare(m): 8:41pm On Nov 24, 2022
Steep:
Definitely it is Jesus.
The lying religion wants to deceive the whole world like they always do!

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Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by sonmvayina(m): 8:50pm On Nov 24, 2022
Is jesus a prophet?

Asking for a friend ...

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Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by Solofresh2: 8:53pm On Nov 24, 2022
The world as indeed being deceived embarassed

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Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by advocatejare(m): 8:58pm On Nov 24, 2022
sonmvayina:
Is jesus a prophet?

Asking for a friend ...
Yes he is.

Just like he is also the Messiah, also the Son of God.

The people called him a prophet :
Matthew 21:11
And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”



Jesus referred to himself as a prophet when he told his disciples why his people didn’t accept him:

And He said, “Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown.
-Luke 4:24

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Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by sonmvayina(m): 7:20am On Nov 25, 2022
advocatejare:

Yes he is.

Just like he is also the Messiah, also the Son of God.

The people called him a prophet :
Matthew 21:11
And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”



Jesus referred to himself as a prophet when he told his disciples why his people didn’t accept him:

And He said, “Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown.
-Luke 4:24


So I should give this explanation to my friend ..?
Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by advocatejare(m): 10:54am On Nov 25, 2022
sonmvayina:


So I should give this explanation to my friend ..?
If you desire!
Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by Sadeeq996(m): 1:57pm On Dec 07, 2023
In the Book of Deuteronomy, Moses relays what God told him, “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put My words in his mouth; and will speak unto them all that I shall command him.” First, note the phrase ‘from among their brethren’.

THE PROHETIC LINK AS THE BRETHREN OF THE ISRAELITES

Ishmael and Isaac were both brothers and they were the children of Prophet Abraham. When Prophet Moses, may peace and blessings be upon him, was quoting God as promising to send a prophet like Moses the verse says ‘from among their brethren’. Who are the brethren of the Israelites? They are, simply, the Ishmaelites. This is a clear and straightforward indication that the prophet who is going to be ‘like unto Moses’ from the brethren of the Israelites is Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessing be upon him.

In fact, the Hebrew dictionary of the Bible defines brethren, as used in the biblical sense, in the following terms: it says it is the personification of a group of tribes who were regarded as near kinsmen to the Israelites. There is no nearer kinsmen tribe to the Israelites other than the Ishmaelites because they are their brethren- descendents of the brother of Isaac. It is consistent.

MOSES AND MUHAMMAD: "LIKE UNTO THEE"

Perhaps one crucial phrase that is used in the verse is when it says “from among their brethren, like unto thee.” (Duet 18:18) God is saying that He will raise up a prophet that is similar to Moses. This is significant because the only great prophets, who came after Moses, were Jesus and Muhammad. However, it does not apply to Jesus because he is not really from the brethren of the Israelites. He is himself an Israelite.

Also
When God talk about the Prophet like Moses that He will raise in Deutronomy 18:18, He was not talking about the Prophet of the Israelites. We know this because He told us in Deutronomy 34:10 that Moses was the greatest and there will not be any more one like him from the Israelites.

A PROHET LIKE MOSES: Comparing Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad in Prophecy

There are similarities between Moses and Jesus in the sense that they were both Jews and they were both prophets. They both had profound miracles; during their time the rulers had ordered the killing of all male children and so on. But again that contradicts the term ‘brethren’ that has already been explained. Even then, we find that when taken for the sake of argument that Jesus is a possible candidate for this prophecy, you’ll find that there are a great deal more similarities between Prophets Moses and Muhammad than the similarities between prophets Moses and Jesus, may peace and blessings be upon them all.

First of all, Moses was regarded as a Prophet and Muhammad was also regarded as a Prophet while Jesus (at least by Christians) was regarded as the Son of God. This point, alone, precludes Jesus. Because the prophecy is about a prophet like unto Moses. When Jesus is regarded as God incarnate, or the Son of God then that precludes him; at least this specific prophecy doesn’t apply to him. Like I mentioned, there are other prophecies that apply to Jesus but not this one.

BIRTH

In terms of parents, Moses had a normal mother and father and so did Muhammad. Jesus, however, was born only from a mother. In terms of birth, the birth of Moses was normal so was Muhammad’s where as Jesus’ birth was a virgin birth according to both the Muslim and Christian faiths.

Both Moses and Muhammad were raised outside their natural family. Jesus was raised by his mother.

FAMILY LIFE
Moses married and had children so did Muhammad but it’s quite unlikely with Jesus. As far as we know, there are no records of him marrying or having any children

Comparison of Death, Mission, Leadership, and Career

Age at prohethood:
After returning back from Midian to Egypt , Moses received the prophethood on mountain Sinai at 40 years old. Muhammad received prophethood in cave of Hiraa' at 40 years old. Jesus received prophethood starting from his birth.

In terms of death, Moses and Muhammad both had natural deaths from natural causes; the death of Jesus (according to the Christian faith) was a violent death- nailed to the cross.

In terms of the emphasis on his mission, we find that Moses’ mission was both spiritual and legal; he brought about a law. So did Muhammad. Jesus’ mission, on the other hand, was spiritual. Actually, he said ‘Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill’ (Mathew 5:17). Jesus was fulfilling the law of Moses.

Regarding acceptance of leadership: Moses’ leadership was, for the most part, accepted by his people. They may have given him a hard time but his leadership was accepted during his lifetime. The same is true for Muhammad. Whereas Jesus himself complained that his leadership was not accepted, but was resisted, by the very people he was sent to- the Israelites. He mentions this often.

In terms of career, we find that Moses had a career both as a prophet and as a governor/ ruler to implement the divine law. Such is the same for Muhammad. In the case of Jesus, his career did not include that authority.

Comparing Victories
In terms of battles and encounters with enemies: We find that Moses did encounter his enemies, the Egyptians and they were drowned- he had victory over them. Muhammad did encounter the pagans that tried to destroy him and his followers and he had victory over them in the battlefield. No such event occurs, in terms of physical combat, in the case of Prophet Jesus may peace and blessings be upon him.

In terms of the mission: [/b]We find that the mission of Prophet Moses was completed in a sense that he not only succeeded in his preaching, but also established a new order following those commandments. The same thing is applicable to Muhammad. Before his death, there was already an Islamic community that was victorious over its enemies. In the case of Jesus, we find the opposite is true. The persecution of Christians persisted for many years to come and not until the year 325, when Constantine was said to have embraced Christianity, did the pressures on Christians begin to lighten.

These points are not the only ones. Another striking similarity is that Moses left Egypt, his birthplace at a time when there was a conspiracy to kill him and he went to Median, to Prophet Jethro. Muhammad, also, left his birthplace, Mecca, on the same night he was to be assassinated and fled to Medina.
[b]
"PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH"

The way the revelation came to Prophet Muhammad was that Angel Gabriel would come to him and dictate to him and then Muhammad would simply recites what was said to him. In other words, Muhammad was not the author of the Qur’an, as many people make this mistake. He is not the author of it, he did not create it, and he was not even using his own intellect and knowledge when he recited the Qur’an.

He was simply repeating what Gabriel was saying. This is not a hidden secret. It continued for 23 years in the presence of hundreds of followers and that the Qur’an was committed directly to memory in his presence as well as in writing. What could be a more beautiful explanation of the phrase ‘put My words in his mouth’? That God was putting the words in the mouth of Prophet Muhammad; that he was repeating what was exactly dictated to him.

Unlocking the Significance
This is an interesting point because one of the signs of that foretold prophet is that he will speak in the name of God. That term has been repeated twice in verses 19 and 20. Now, this is an extremely interesting point to comment on for those who are not familiar with the Qur’an. The Qur’an contains 114 chapters called surahs. 113 of these surahs start with “Bismi Allah Al Rahman Al Raheem” which translates to “In the name of God the Beneficent, the merciful.” Virtually every chapter in the Qur’an starts with in the name of God. That’s quite interesting because the prophecy says that he will speak in the name of God, not the authorship of Muhammad that he’s presenting this in the name of God but because God revealed that to him.

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Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by sonmvayina(m): 4:07pm On Dec 07, 2023
So if a principal(Moses)is standing in front and addressing his students(the Jews) in the assembly hall.

"The commissioner of education(God) will send a new principal, like me.. you are just to obey him just as you did me for whatever he tells you is also from the commissioner of education(God).

Who should expect the new principal?

The students in the assembly hall that heard the principal speak in 2023

Or the students that will be enrolled in the year 2900?

People don't really know the meaning of context in literatures...such a pity.

How did you guys get the required credit in English to be able to gain admission to a university...beats me...


The prophet in question is Joshua, he took over prophet duties as soon as God called Moses....That was not so hard, or was it...?


Verses 20-22 is more appropriate for Jesus..
Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by advocatejare(m): 4:07pm On Dec 08, 2023
Sadeeq996:
In the Book of Deuteronomy, Moses relays what God told him, “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put My words in his mouth; and will speak unto them all that I shall command him.” First, note the phrase ‘from among their brethren’.

THE PROHETIC LINK AS THE BRETHREN OF THE ISRAELITES

Ishmael and Isaac were both brothers and they were the children of Prophet Abraham. When Prophet Moses, may peace and blessings be upon him, was quoting God as promising to send a prophet like Moses the verse says ‘from among their brethren’. Who are the brethren of the Israelites? They are, simply, the Ishmaelites. This is a clear and straightforward indication that the prophet who is going to be ‘like unto Moses’ from the brethren of the Israelites is Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessing be upon him.

In fact, the Hebrew dictionary of the Bible defines brethren, as used in the biblical sense, in the following terms: it says it is the personification of a group of tribes who were regarded as near kinsmen to the Israelites. There is no nearer kinsmen tribe to the Israelites other than the Ishmaelites because they are their brethren- descendents of the brother of Isaac. It is consistent.

MOSES AND MUHAMMAD: "LIKE UNTO THEE"

Perhaps one crucial phrase that is used in the verse is when it says “from among their brethren, like unto thee.” (Duet 18:18) God is saying that He will raise up a prophet that is similar to Moses. This is significant because the only great prophets, who came after Moses, were Jesus and Muhammad. However, it does not apply to Jesus because he is not really from the brethren of the Israelites. He is himself an Israelite.

Also
When God talk about the Prophet like Moses that He will raise in Deutronomy 18:18, He was not talking about the Prophet of the Israelites. We know this because He told us in Deutronomy 34:10 that Moses was the greatest and there will not be any more one like him from the Israelites.

A PROHET LIKE MOSES: Comparing Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad in Prophecy

There are similarities between Moses and Jesus in the sense that they were both Jews and they were both prophets. They both had profound miracles; during their time the rulers had ordered the killing of all male children and so on. But again that contradicts the term ‘brethren’ that has already been explained. Even then, we find that when taken for the sake of argument that Jesus is a possible candidate for this prophecy, you’ll find that there are a great deal more similarities between Prophets Moses and Muhammad than the similarities between prophets Moses and Jesus, may peace and blessings be upon them all.

First of all, Moses was regarded as a Prophet and Muhammad was also regarded as a Prophet while Jesus (at least by Christians) was regarded as the Son of God. This point, alone, precludes Jesus. Because the prophecy is about a prophet like unto Moses. When Jesus is regarded as God incarnate, or the Son of God then that precludes him; at least this specific prophecy doesn’t apply to him. Like I mentioned, there are other prophecies that apply to Jesus but not this one.

BIRTH

In terms of parents, Moses had a normal mother and father and so did Muhammad. Jesus, however, was born only from a mother. In terms of birth, the birth of Moses was normal so was Muhammad’s where as Jesus’ birth was a virgin birth according to both the Muslim and Christian faiths.

Both Moses and Muhammad were raised outside their natural family. Jesus was raised by his mother.

FAMILY LIFE
Moses married and had children so did Muhammad but it’s quite unlikely with Jesus. As far as we know, there are no records of him marrying or having any children

Comparison of Death, Mission, Leadership, and Career

Age at prohethood:
After returning back from Midian to Egypt , Moses received the prophethood on mountain Sinai at 40 years old. Muhammad received prophethood in cave of Hiraa' at 40 years old. Jesus received prophethood starting from his birth.

In terms of death, Moses and Muhammad both had natural deaths from natural causes; the death of Jesus (according to the Christian faith) was a violent death- nailed to the cross.

In terms of the emphasis on his mission, we find that Moses’ mission was both spiritual and legal; he brought about a law. So did Muhammad. Jesus’ mission, on the other hand, was spiritual. Actually, he said ‘Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill’ (Mathew 5:17). Jesus was fulfilling the law of Moses.

Regarding acceptance of leadership: Moses’ leadership was, for the most part, accepted by his people. They may have given him a hard time but his leadership was accepted during his lifetime. The same is true for Muhammad. Whereas Jesus himself complained that his leadership was not accepted, but was resisted, by the very people he was sent to- the Israelites. He mentions this often.

In terms of career, we find that Moses had a career both as a prophet and as a governor/ ruler to implement the divine law. Such is the same for Muhammad. In the case of Jesus, his career did not include that authority.

Comparing Victories
In terms of battles and encounters with enemies: We find that Moses did encounter his enemies, the Egyptians and they were drowned- he had victory over them. Muhammad did encounter the pagans that tried to destroy him and his followers and he had victory over them in the battlefield. No such event occurs, in terms of physical combat, in the case of Prophet Jesus may peace and blessings be upon him.

In terms of the mission: [/b]We find that the mission of Prophet Moses was completed in a sense that he not only succeeded in his preaching, but also established a new order following those commandments. The same thing is applicable to Muhammad. Before his death, there was already an Islamic community that was victorious over its enemies. In the case of Jesus, we find the opposite is true. The persecution of Christians persisted for many years to come and not until the year 325, when Constantine was said to have embraced Christianity, did the pressures on Christians begin to lighten.

These points are not the only ones. Another striking similarity is that Moses left Egypt, his birthplace at a time when there was a conspiracy to kill him and he went to Median, to Prophet Jethro. Muhammad, also, left his birthplace, Mecca, on the same night he was to be assassinated and fled to Medina.
[b]
"PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH"

The way the revelation came to Prophet Muhammad was that Angel Gabriel would come to him and dictate to him and then Muhammad would simply recites what was said to him. In other words, Muhammad was not the author of the Qur’an, as many people make this mistake. He is not the author of it, he did not create it, and he was not even using his own intellect and knowledge when he recited the Qur’an.

He was simply repeating what Gabriel was saying. This is not a hidden secret. It continued for 23 years in the presence of hundreds of followers and that the Qur’an was committed directly to memory in his presence as well as in writing. What could be a more beautiful explanation of the phrase ‘put My words in his mouth’? That God was putting the words in the mouth of Prophet Muhammad; that he was repeating what was exactly dictated to him.

Unlocking the Significance
This is an interesting point because one of the signs of that foretold prophet is that he will speak in the name of God. That term has been repeated twice in verses 19 and 20. Now, this is an extremely interesting point to comment on for those who are not familiar with the Qur’an. The Qur’an contains 114 chapters called surahs. 113 of these surahs start with “Bismi Allah Al Rahman Al Raheem” which translates to “In the name of God the Beneficent, the merciful.” Virtually every chapter in the Qur’an starts with in the name of God. That’s quite interesting because the prophecy says that he will speak in the name of God, not the authorship of Muhammad that he’s presenting this in the name of God but because God revealed that to him.
Brethren is the plural of brother.

The only brother Israel(Jacob) had was Esau and his descendants are Edomites.

Ishmael on the other hand was Israel’s uncle (Jacob’s brother) so Ishmael can’t be a brother/brethren to Israel!
Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by advocatejare(m): 4:12pm On Dec 08, 2023
sonmvayina:
So if a principal(Moses)is standing in front and addressing his students(the Jews) in the assembly hall.

"The commissioner of education(God) will send a new principal, like me.. you are just to obey him just as you did me for whatever he tells you is also from the commissioner of education(God).

Who should expect the new principal?

The students in the assembly hall that heard the principal speak in 2023

Or the students that will be enrolled in the year 2900?

People don't really know the meaning of context in literatures...such a pity.

How did you guys get the required credit in English to be able to gain admission to a university...beats me...


The prophet in question is Joshua, he took over prophet duties as soon as God called Moses....That was not so hard, or was it...?


Verses 20-22 is more appropriate for Jesus..
So why were the class of “2900” asking John the Baptist if he was the prophet they have been expecting?

John 1:21
They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”
Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by sonmvayina(m): 11:40am On Dec 09, 2023
advocatejare:

So why were the class of “2900” asking John the Baptist if he was the prophet they have been expecting?

John 1:21
They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

They where asking if he was the last prophet that is going to usher in the messianic era?

Of which he answered no......

Well the new testament is not of Jewish origin anyway....it's got nothing to do with them ..
Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by advocatejare(m): 3:20pm On Dec 09, 2023
sonmvayina:


They where asking if he was the last prophet that is going to usher in the messianic era?

Of which he answered no......

Well the new testament is not of Jewish origin anyway....it's got nothing to do with them ..
grin indeed
Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by Sadeeq996(m): 2:51pm On Dec 30, 2023
God! You really need to study your bible.
Jesus himself was a Jew, and he said in the new testament;

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The New International Version translates the passage as:

He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

ANALYSIS :
Jesus states here that he was sent, literally that He is not an Apostle for the Gentiles but for Jews, in accord with the prediction of the prophets. This was done so there would be no pretext for the Jews rejecting Him as the promised Messiah (see Rom. 15:8, 9).

If he was specifically sent to the jews, how can you say the gospel has nothing to do with the Jews?

Jesus primary assignment was to guide the Jews. Jesus himself was a Jew, He did live and die under the Law of Moses. He was “born under the law,” and had to perfectly keep it until all was fulfilled. He was circumcised the eighth day, kept the Sabbath, celebrated the feasts, offered sacrifices and ate only the food allowed under the Law. He was preaching to the Jews while they were still under the Law. In His earthly ministry, He taught “till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” (Mt. 5:18-19). The Old covenant was absolute and nothing could be set aside. Jesus was a Jew born under the Law to guide his people who are of course Jews.

Please study your book well before posting things about it. Its heartbreaking!
Re: Who Was The Prophet Like Moses: Jesus Or Muhammad? by CrazyBen(m): 8:30pm On Feb 24
advocatejare:

So why were the class of “2900” asking John the Baptist if he was the prophet they have been expecting?

John 1:21
They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

smiley Jesus said of John the Baptist: “He is Elijah who is to come” (Matt 11:14).

I believe Jesus

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