Joke apart and away from all the brouhaha of the word AND in wining the presidential election in Nigeria.

What really was the intention of this conjunction? To be honest, what that place says is that a winner of presidential election in Nigeria MUST win Abuja as well. This is the simple truth, but my question is, what was the intention of the law?

I think it can be reviewed because for me, it is not making any sense at all, except there was a very cogent reason(s) for that clause.

However, I am not trying to say that Tinubu won the election because I saw the daylight fraud INEC did. If INEC had done well, very few people will complain, but they did not. So do not mix up my write up.

Modified:
I just saw this in the front page of nairaland

https://www.nairaland.com/7653249/prof-osunbor-no-place-constitution

Do you see what I am talking about? Though this is saying there is no place in our construction that mentions that, but it is a lie. This is the problem I have with most Nigerians. Instead of denying something that is staring at you, simply confront it. That is why I am asking this question that what was the intention of the clause? I thank God for some response here. It quite revealing.

It is there because FCT cannot be mentioned as part of the 36 states. It is part of the territory of Nigeria but not a state.

So the requirement is to have minimum of 25% of valid votes in 2/3 of Nigeria's territory.

Nigeria's territory is made up of 36 states and FCT. Which is 37 territorial units.

That is why you have 36 States and FCT.

That 2/3 of 37 units is 25 states (or 24 states and FCT) to make a whole number.

Losers like to grasp at straws, so little wonder why LP has made such straightforward matter look like an opportunity for them to achieve a victory that is impossible while stuck at 15 states and FCT.

That part of the constitution can be open to interpretation depending on how you present your case to the judge. In this case the best argument wins, though the judge has the power to override your argument even if it makes the most sense. Sad!

But in any case, if I were to argue in favor of Peter Obi, I will offer the following clarification as part of my argument:

1. If the writers meant to include the FCT as the 37th state, they could’ve done so explicitly by writing:

A. 2/3 of all the states and the FCT. The FCT will be treated as a state for this requirement

B. 2/3 of all the states including the FCT. The FCT will be treated as a state for this requirement

The writers did this in some sections of the constitution where they wanted the FCT to be treated as state for that specific section of the constitution.

The lawyers should mention those sections where Abuja was treated as a state to the judges to make it clear that the writers knew exactly what they were doing and that’s why the use of AND in that section didn’t specifically add Abuja as the 37th state

OP,

If a student is Told, Come to School with all ur Writing materials AND a Wristwatch.

In Reality, it means the Wristwatch is even MORE IMPORTANT than the other required items. 🤨

When has a Presidential S(elect) in Nigeria FAILED so WOEFULLY in the FCT? 🤔

StOla:
It is there because FCT cannot be mentioned as part of the 36 states. It is part of the territory of Nigeria but not a state.

So the requirement is to have minimum of 25% of valid votes in 2/3 of Nigeria's territory.

Nigeria's territory is made up of 36 states and FCT. Which is 37 territorial units.

That is why you have 36 States and FCT.

That 2/3 of 37 units is 25 states (or 24 states and FCT) to make a whole number.

Losers like to grasp at straws, so little wonder why LP has made such straightforward matter look like an opportunity for them to achieve a victory that is impossible while stuck at 15 states and FCT.

If the writers wanted FCT to be treated as a state, they would have made it clear that FCT will be treated as a state for that section.

They did it in some sections where they wanted the FCT to be treated like a state for a specific section of the constitution

Vinnie2000:


OP,

If a student is Told, Come to School with all ur Writing materials AND a Wristwatch.

In Reality, it means the Wristwatch is even MORE IMPORTANT than the other required items. 🤨

When has a Presidential S(elect) in Nigeria FAILED so WOEFULLY in the FCT? 🤔

I am very aware of this but the question I am asking or the clarification I am seeking is, what was the intention of the section? Abi this our law makers just like to create unnecessary wahala?

inforesource:

I am very aware of this but the question I am asking or the clarification I am seeking is, what was the intention of the section? Abi this our law makers just like to create unnecessary wahala?

The Intention is:

FCT, Abuja (Just like Lagos b4) is a Place where Nigerians of all Tribes Converge e.g. Idoma, Tivs, Urhobos, Yorubas, Hausas, Igbos, Efiks, Edos,etc.

So A winning Presidential Candidate should NOT perform too Poorly there and Must get @least 25%..

B4 the Elections, Former NBA President, Olisa Agbakoba SAN asked an INEC official on Channels TV
About this 25% issue, but the Fellow dodged the Question.

Tinubu is the FIRST Presidential Candidate to FAIL WOEFULLY in FCT. ☹️

socialmediaman:
That part of the constitution can be open to interpretation depending on how you present your case to the judge. In this case the best argument wins, though the judge has the power to override your argument even if it makes the most sense. Sad!

But in any case, if I were to argue in favor of Peter Obi, I will offer the following clarification as part of my argument:

1. If the writers meant to include the FCT as the 37th state, they could’ve done so explicitly by writing:

A. 2/3 of all the states and the FCT. The FCT will be treated as a state for this requirement

B. 2/3 of all the states including the FCT. The FCT will be treated as a state for this requirement

The writers did this in some sections of the constitution where they wanted the FCT to be treated as state for that specific section of the section.

The lawyers should mention those sections where Abuja was treated as a state to the judges to make it clear that the writers knew exactly what they were doing and that’s why the use of AND in that section didn’t specifically add Abuja as the 37th state

End of Discussion! 🙌👍

That AND is the Deal breaker!

If I say the Solar system is made up of the Sun AND 9 planets.
Will you now take the Sun as a 10th Planet? 😏

NO! Simply means the Sun is Different Entity on it's own!
Same way, Abuja is Different from the 36 States!
Kudos to you for Explaining to the OP. 👍👍

StOla:
It is there because FCT cannot be mentioned as part of the 36 states. It is part of the territory of Nigeria but not a state.

So the requirement is to have minimum of 25% of valid votes in 2/3 of Nigeria's territory.

Nigeria's territory is made up of 36 states and FCT. Which is 37 territorial units.

That is why you have 36 States and FCT.

That 2/3 of 37 units is 25 states (or 24 states and FCT) to make a whole number.

Losers like to grasp at straws, so little wonder why LP has made such straightforward matter look like an opportunity for them to achieve a victory that is impossible while stuck at 15 states and FCT.

have 36 state teritory and one Federal capital teritory

China, India, the USA, Brazil, Russia AND Nigeria are countries with over 200 million citizens

Try have peace of mind. It is dat simple...only for some people

inforesource:

I am very aware of this but the question I am asking or the clarification I am seeking is, what was the intention of the section? Abi this our law makers just like to create unnecessary wahala?

. The intention is for the purpose of declaring a presidential winner.
It's just like the America collegial votes... Even if you win the popular vote and fail to win collegial votes, you can't be declared winner. So in all, it is a constitutional requirements to be declared a winner.

inforesource:

I am very aware of this but the question I am asking or the clarification I am seeking is, what was the intention of the section? Abi this our law makers just like to create unnecessary wahala?

So, I suspect you already know the answer to the question you asked. For clarity, the intention of the framers is to avoid a silo presidency. That means, a candidate, having received a majority of votes cast, must also demonstrably enjoy popularity among Nigerian ethnicities, not only from his tribe or ethnicity.

Where do you find a convergence of every member of Nigeria's ethnic group today, the FCT. The constitution writers intend Nigeria's president to have received 1/4 of the votes cast in our center of unity. Predictably, Tinubu's team knew their party will face difficulty in this location, but they did not anticipate the low level of votes harvest on their behalf.

This is the major reason behind Mahmood Yakubu's hasty 4 am winner declaration while Nigerians slept. APC Governors subjected Yakubu to intense pressure to declare him the winner to forestall the possibility of collation halt through an ex-parte court order later in the day.

25 % of the currency valuation in 24 nations and the US, the explanation is pretty straight.

Someone will go and fetch 25% of the currency valuation in 1000 countries without the US, the person failed

The intention was that should someone having had the majority of votes, have 25 percent in 23 states and also FCT, he would be deemed to have met the conditions.

These countries don't have peace of mind, you're too ignorant

DatNiggaDaz:


China, India, the USA, Brazil, Russia AND Nigeria are countries with over 200 million citizens

Try have peace of mind. It is dat simple...only for some people

socialmediaman:


If the writers wanted FCT to be treated as a state, they would have made it clear that FCT will be treated as a state for that section.

They did it in some sections where they wanted the FCT to be treated like a state for a specific section of the constitution

Oga section 299 already took care of that. Fct should be treated as if it were 1 on the state of the federation and further told u it will apply through out the constitution so what else did u want.. Abi pus dey ur ears?

00FFT00:


So, I suspect you already know the answer to the question you asked. For clarity, the intention of the framers is to avoid a silo presidency. That means, a candidate, having received a majority of votes cast, must also demonstrably enjoy popularity among Nigerian ethnicities, not only from his tribe or ethnicity.

Where do you find a convergence of every member of Nigeria's ethnic group today, the FCT. The constitution writers intend Nigeria's president to have received 1/3 of the votes cast in our center of unity. Predictably, Tinubu's team knew their party will face difficulty in this location, but they did not anticipate the low level of votes harvest on their behalf.

This is the major reason behind Mahmood Yakubu's hasty 4 am winner declaration while Nigerians slept. APC Governors subjected Yakubu to intense pressure to declare him the winner to forestall the possibility of collation halt through an ex-parte court order later in the day.

Stop putting your own.. That means yoz must also score 25% inLagos, kano, kaduna because in this states you must find all Nigerians.. So it cannot apply to FcT alone..

00FFT00:


Where do you find a convergence of every member of Nigeria's ethnic group today, the FCT. The constitution writers intend Nigeria's president to have received 1/3 of the votes cast in our center of unity. Predictably, Tinubu's team knew their party will face difficulty in this location, but they did not anticipate the low level of votes harvest on their behalf.

Let's assume you are right, what happens next? Tinubu and Atiku have a run off. How exactly does that benefit The Labour Party?

Or we have fresh elections, where would Obi pick up votes from? If anything, going by the gubernatorial elections, he will lose his share of the votes.

I really don't see how this 25% in FCT argument can benefit LP.

00FFT00:


So, I suspect you already know the answer to the question you asked. For clarity, the intention of the framers is to avoid a silo presidency. That means, a candidate, having received a majority of votes cast, must also demonstrably enjoy popularity among Nigerian ethnicities, not only from his tribe or ethnicity.

Where do you find a convergence of every member of Nigeria's ethnic group today, the FCT. The constitution writers intend Nigeria's president to have received 1/3 of the votes cast in our center of unity. Predictably, Tinubu's team knew their party will face difficulty in this location, but they did not anticipate the low level of votes harvest on their behalf.

This is the major reason behind Mahmood Yakubu's hasty 4 am winner declaration while Nigerians slept. APC Governors subjected Yakubu to intense pressure to declare him the winner to forestall the possibility of collation halt through an ex-parte court order later in the day.

To be honest with you, I don't know why or the intent of this section of the constitution. But as you have just stated, it may have been the case but for me there is no state in Nigeria you won't find convergence of all tribe. In fact if there's any state that assumes that position it should be Lagos.

Kingsleykc:
. The intention is for the purpose of declaring a presidential winner.
It's just like the America collegial votes... Even if you win the popular vote and fail to win collegial votes, you can't be declared winner. So in all, it is a constitutional requirements to be declared a winner.

I think you nailed it. But if that is the case, it should be stated clearly without ambiguity. I had an argument among the lawyers that Nigeria constitution do not recognize any electoral colleges.

pquaver:


Stop putting your own.. That means yoz must also score 25% inLagos, kano, kaduna because in this states you must find all Nigerians.. So it cannot apply to FcT alone..

I have had the privilege of speaking to an aged but learned gentleman who was Instrumental in shaping the constitution we operate today.

It makes sense to accredit the FCT as our unity certifiers. FCT is our capital territory, specifically created for same purpose, has neither a governor nor an assembly of its own, has due representation of Nigeria's people and is central.

In any case, the constitution wants to see 1/3 of the votes cast in this location accrue to the candidate with majority votes cast in a presidential election to be declared a winner. This is the law.

The FCT is our electoral college.

inforesource:

To be honest with you, I don't know why or the intent of this section of the constitution. But as you have just stated, it may have been the case but for me there is no state in Nigeria you won't find convergence of all tribe. In fact if there's any state that assumes that position it should be Lagos.

I think the FCT is well positioned for the role it was assigned. It is not about population density but symbolism in meaning.

Lagos ceased to be our capital.

aswani:


Let's assume you are right, what happens next? Tinubu and Atiku have a run off. How exactly does that benefit The Labour Party?

Or we have fresh elections, where would Obi pick up votes from? If anything, going by the gubernatorial elections, he will lose his share of the votes.

I really don't see how this 25% in FCT argument can benefit LP.

We both cannot preempt the outcome of a process which is in court. However, if you read LP's brief, Labour party asked for outright disqualification of declared winner because in their opinion, the joint ticket is faulty on the account of Shettima retaining a senatorial Ticket and Tinubu's morality burden.

How the morality question is helped is

or disqualified in the constitution depends on the accepted interpretation of the relevant collection(s) of the constitution.

Now, there is the issue of votes reduction and appointment by the electoral umpire in sharp disagreement with party agents records at the pooling units and BIVAS records.

And the 25% matter.

You must agree that the ruling party candidate indeed scored 8 million plus votesin this election to believe that he will prevail in a well policed rerun. Let's not talk about what LP and PDP will make of their experiences at the concluded polls. They will work together in a rerun.

That said, Peter Obi handsomely defeated Ahmed Tinubu in Lagos by an astronomical margin. It is clear that was also the case in Rivers bar manipulations and indeed, the manipulations of numbers to achieve this set outcome was nationwide and systemic.

This is what the evidence will show, and the seasoned manipulators are going to do everything possible to stall and obfuscate that process. Fortunately, they were reckless in their rigging and left way too many evidence in their wake.

This broad daylight robbery is what the court must decide. First, whether not having obtained the majority of votes cast as claimed by Inec, and also short of 1/3 of the votes cast in the FCT, Ahmed Tinubu can be said to have won the election?.

If the canvassed relief in this regard can be affirmed, then there'd be no need for a rerun. And in the event of a possible rerun, the votes of the said runner up, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar must be accounted for to determine eligibility.

00FFT00:


We both cannot preempt the outcome of a process which is in court. However, if you read LP's brief, Labour party asked for outright disqualification of declared winner because in their opinion, the joint ticket is faulty on the account of Shettima retaining a senatorial Ticket and Tinubu's morality burden.

How the morality question is helped is

or disqualified in the constitution depends on the accepted interpretation of the relevant collection(s) of the constitution.

Now, there is the issue of votes reduction and appointment by the electoral umpire in sharp disagreement with party agents records at the pooling units and BIVAS records.

And the 25% matter.

You must agree that the ruling party candidate indeed scored 8 million plus votesin this election to believe that he will prevail in a well policed rerun. Let's not talk about what LP and PDP will make of their experiences at the concluded polls. They will work together in a rerun.

That said, Peter Obi handsomely defeated Ahmed Tinubu in Lagos by an astronomical margin. It is clear that was also the case in Rivers bar manipulations and indeed, the manipulations of numbers to achieve this set outcome was nationwide and systemic.

This is what the evidence will show, and the seasoned manipulators are going to do everything possible to stall and obfuscate that process. Fortunately, they were reckless in their rigging and left way too many evidence in their wake.

This broad daylight robbery is what the court must decide. First, whether not having obtained the majority of votes cast as claimed by Inec, and also short of 1/3 of the votes cast in the FCT, Ahmed Tinubu can be said to have won the election?.

If the canvassed relief in this regard can be affirmed, then there'd be no need for a rerun. And in the event of a possible rerun, the votes of the said runner up, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar must be accounted for to determine eligibility.

Lots of ifs and buts and I still don't see how Obi would surpass Atiku in either a rerun or legal votes counted.
May the best man prevail anyway.

00FFT00:


I have had the privilege of speaking to an aged but learned gentleman who was Instrumental in shaping the constitution we operate today.

It makes sense to accredit the FCT as our unity certifiers. FCT is our capital territory, specifically created for same purpose, has neither a governor nor an assembly of its own, has due representation of Nigeria's people and is central.

In any case, the constitution wants to see 1/3 of the votes cast in this location accrue to the candidate with majority votes cast in a presidential election to be declared a winner. This is the law.

The FCT is our electoral college.

Stop making a simple matter into a complex episode.

Every student in Nigeria knows that since 1996, Nigeria is made up of 36 States and FCT.

So any rule that requires a presidential candidate to secure minimum of 25% of votes in 2/3 of Nigeria is considering 36 states and FCT.

2/3 of 36 States and FCT is 25.

Tinubu already secured it in 30.

Case closed.

The reason for the conjunction "and" is for plurality of acceptability, the Constitution was fashioned in a way that all Nigerian ethnic groups will be represented in the votes that gives victory to a president elect, knowing fully well that the ethnic groups with higher population density will suppress votes representing lowly populated ethnic groups, the lawmakers decided that the only way to balance this is to find a location where all Nigerian ethnic groups are averagely represented, the FCT was then chosen as the location where you can find representatives of all ethnic groups, they decided that getting 25% in the capital is a proof of acceptability by all nationalised that makes up Nigeria as a federation.

00FFT00:


I have had the privilege of speaking to an aged but learned gentleman who was Instrumental in shaping the constitution we operate today.

It makes sense to accredit the FCT as our unity certifiers. FCT is our capital territory, specifically created for same purpose, has neither a governor nor an assembly of its own, has due representation of Nigeria's people and is central.

In any case, the constitution wants to see 1/3 of the votes cast in this location accrue to the candidate with majority votes cast in a presidential election to be declared a winner. This is the law.

The FCT is our electoral college.

So what’s the point conducting elections in other parts of the country? We should instead save billions of tax payers money by conducting presidential elections only in the FCT since it carries such special status.

The law states very clearly that all votes in Nigeria are equal. Fct votes can't be superior to votes of Nigerians in any other part of the country. We don't have electoral college in Nigeria.

pquaver:


Oga section 299 already took care of that. Fct should be treated as if it were 1 on the state of the federation and further told u it will apply through out the constitution so what else did u want.. Abi pus dey ur ears?

They will never accept this na. Just leave them.


Kids too much here

inforesource:
Joke apart and away from all the brouhaha of the word AND in wining the presidential election in Nigeria.

What really was the intention of this conjunction? To be honest, what that place says is that a winner of presidential election in Nigeria MUST win Abuja as well. This is the simple truth, but my question is, what was the intention of the law?

I think it can be reviewed because for me, it is not making any sense at all, except there was a very cogent reason(s) for that clause.

However, I am not trying to say that Tinubu won the election because I saw the daylight fraud INEC did. If INEC had done well, very few people will complain, but they did not. So do not mix up my write up.

Modified:
I just saw this in the front page of nairaland

https://www.nairaland.com/7653249/prof-osunbor-no-place-constitution

Do you see what I am talking about? Though this is saying there is no place in our construction that mentions that, but it is a lie. This is the problem I have with most Nigerians. Instead of denying something that is staring at you, simply confront it. That is why I am asking this question that what was the intention of the clause? I thank God for some response here. It quite revealing.

what the word "and" means is that you are lumping up two different things. What do I mean, Abuja is not a state, so it will not be right to say 37 states. That is why the "and" word is used. Just like saying 36 boys and a girl. They are all humans but they are different. But the constitution in its wisdom also say for the sake of interpretation, Abuja should be seen as a state. That does not stop Abuja from being the FCT. Example, for interpretation, the girl should be seen as a boy. It means whenever any issue arises, no special treatment would be given to the girl. Let's say, a teacher gives a task, " you boys should go and cut the grass" the girl cannot say she's not a boy therefore she would not partake in the task.

Enice:
what the word "and" means is that you are lumping up two different things. What do I mean, Abuja is not a state, so it will not be right to say 37 states. That is why the "and" word is used. Just like saying 36 boys and a girl. They are all humans but they are different. But the constitution in its wisdom also say for the sake of interpretation, Abuja should be seen as a state. That does not stop Abuja from being the FCT. Example, for interpretation, the girl should be seen as a boy. It means whenever any issue arises, no special treatment would be given to the girl. Let's say, a teacher gives a task, " you boys should go and cut the grass" the girl cannot say she's not a boy therefore she would not partake in the task.

Ah! Boy is different from a girl ooo. They are human but status and privileges are not the same going by your examples.

00FFT00:


So, I suspect you already know the answer to the question you asked. For clarity, the intention of the framers is to avoid a silo presidency. That means, a candidate, having received a majority of votes cast, must also demonstrably enjoy popularity among Nigerian ethnicities, not only from his tribe or ethnicity.

Where do you find a convergence of every member of Nigeria's ethnic group today, the FCT

[code][/code][b][/b]. The constitution writers intend Nigeria's president to have received 1/3 of the votes cast in our center of unity. Predictably, Tinubu's team knew their party will face difficulty in this location, but they did not anticipate the low level of votes harvest on their behalf.

This is the major reason behind Mahmood Yakubu's hasty 4 am winner declaration while Nigerians slept. APC Governors subjected Yakubu to intense pressure to declare him the winner to forestall the possibility of collation halt through an ex-parte court order later in the day.

That part I bolded doesn’t show that you are educated up to college of education.

Convergence So ABJ has convergence but Lagos doesn’t have it? Are you connecting your sense to your finger at all?

It is only confusion that’s making you people drool over the FCT. FCT was added because it is part of the confederation. So how do you people want the writer to add FCT without using the word AND? Or FCT should have been left out of the equation since it is not a state. People who said winning FCT separately is a must are only showing their crass. Abuja is taken as the 37th state. All votes in Nigeria are equal says the electoral law.

If you want to talk about the country, you would say we have 36 states in Nigeria AND FCT. Or would u rather say 37 states.