PeterObi4Presid:
■ Kai... You are confusing yourself bro....You dint answer my question about Paul. You brought a statement of Christ that you probably don't understand the context...
■ Same Christ taught us to always pray by saying : Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; THY KINGDOM COME.......are u saying Christ contradicted himself? Being born again means you have been born into the Kingdom and u are under the administration and authority of God [b]SPIRITUALLY,.[/b] That's why Christ said The Kingdom is neither here or there once you are still in Christ IN THIS WORLD, so that people like u won't decieve the elect before the coming of Christ ......But does that delete the fact that Christ is coming back to reign and institute a new order or Kingdom on Earth and in heaven? Abi u don't also believe Christ is coming back to rule?
■ I see a new Earth, and a new Heaven for the former is past....that's revelation talking about this kingdom. But u are here mis-interpreting Christ....

1. What I detest the most about engaging your religious folks is you are so convinced that lame tactics such as Whataboutism, Red herrings, and Ad hominem — all of them known fallacies — are reasonable approaches to supporting your many obviously non-scriptural claims.

2. ▢If the Kingdom of God which is of Spirit is not here, then how exactly are you born into The Kingdom of God when you become born-again?
▢How are you under what you call God’s Spiritual authority, something that wasn't possible before Jesus Christ arrived on earth if the Kingdom of God is not already here?

Jesus Christ never said the Kingdom of God is neither here nor there. Rather what Jesus Christ made clear is that the Kingdom of God is inside of those who are born-again and all around them. Notice how what Jesus Christ said and what you continue to assert instead don't agree at all. The contradictions you seek are actually yours and not of any of what I have said so far.

3. As usual they resort to rambling... again, check what it is you claim to believe in because clearly your confusion has nothing to do with me.

MaxInDHouse:
Please how are you sure that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah (Christ)?

The question should have been, where does 1914 belong in the Bible?

Because majority of the Jews till today don't agree with Jesus' disciples that the young man from Nazareth is the Messiah God promised their forefathers!

Yes!

Does this justify JWs claiming to know what ONLY the Father knows?

Emusan:

The question should have been, where does 1914 belong in the Bible?

What convinced you that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah (Christ) God promised Israel?

Emusan:

Yes!
Does this justify JWs claiming to know what ONLY the Father knows?

Of course if you can't explain or proof how Jesus is the promised Messiah to a Jew then you can't question JWs who claimed Jesus returned in 1914!

MaxInDHouse:

What convinced you that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah (Christ) God promised Israel?

Of course if you can't explain or proof how Jesus is the promised Messiah to a Jew then you can't question JWs who claimed Jesus returned in 1914!

@underlined is my point.

Jws CLAIMED it, that's all!

Emusan:

@underlined is my point.
Jws CLAIMED it, that's all!

Just as Jesus' disciples also claimed in the first century while millions of Jews back then untill now disagreed!

The only evidence Jesus' disciples had that the young Nazarene was the promised Messiah (Christ) is exactly the same evidence Jehovah's Witnesses also have today!

God's word foretold:

©The Messiah will be born by a virgin and it was so! Isaiah 7:14
©He will come after Elijah has prepared his way {Malachi 4:5} but instead of Elijah it was John the baptist that came only his disciples agreed that John was the promised Elijah to come! Matthew 17:10-13
©He will proved to be like a God in the midst of Israelites {Isaiah 9:6} just like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18 compare to Exodus 7:1} this Peter reminded faithful Jews! Act 3:22
©He will be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver {Zechariah 11:12} and executed like a common criminal then he will bear (not his own guilty because he's guiltless) but the guilt of many! Isaiah 53:12
©He will be cut off from among the living and he won't leave behind any inheritance! Daniel 9:26

All these and many more are the evidences his disciples had yet millions of Jews disregarded all of these because they had wrong expectations insisting on what the Christ should present as sign before they believe him! Matthew 16:4

Now back to the drawing board:
The Christ supposed to be the saviour of the world but only the Israelites will welcome him when he visits the planet. How will all other nations know such a thing is taking place in far away Israel?
Due to the paganism of Israelites living in Samaria God sent angels to announce the arrival of the Christ only to the JEWS living in Judah and it's district so even the ten northern tribes of Israel didn't know of his arrival, which means 99.9999% of the world's population never knew that the saviour walked this planet back then.
Jesus himself dispatched his disciples to go and declare the news of his presence only within Judea {Matthew 10:6} so the remaining 10 tribes of Israel didn't know not until Jesus had a tactful conversation with a Samaritan woman by Jacob's well! John 4:7-29
So the day Jesus was living this planet for heaven only his faithful disciples knew about his exit and the angels present that day told his disciples "Jesus will return in the same manner he left" {Act 1:11} so Jesus will not come back with funfair where everyone will notice his return but the sign of his presence as a mighty spirit being will be noticed globally! Matthew 24:7-14

Well if a mighty spirit being visits a place do you think people can physically see him coming?
Of course only those who are aware of the signs of his presence will notice just as few Jews did when he first visit this planet back in the first century!

MaxInDHouse:


Just as Jesus' disciples also claimed in the first century while millions of Jews back then untill now disagreed!

So Jesus disciples have claimed Jesus has come before and JWs also claimed Jesus has come in 1914 anyone deluded JWs can't drag into their delusion doesn't exist

Emusan:

So Jesus disciples have claimed Jesus has come before and JWs also claimed Jesus has come in 1914 anyone deluded JWs can't drag into their delusion doesn't exist

Just as Jews strongly believe that Jesus' disciples dragged their God and His promises regarding the Christ into delusion!

"Faith is the assured expectations of what is hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not seen" Apostle Paul @ Hebrews 11:1

Few Jews FAITHFULLY believed in the promises of God and carefully observed all the evidences pointing to the fact that the young man named Jesus of Nazareth have proved to be the promised Messiah (Christ) but millions of Israelites never believe till today!

So just as faith is the substance of things hoped for only faithful people who are really observing the prophecies can know when the Christ first came physically as human and when he returned as a mighty spirit being.

Jehovah's Witnesses organization have all the evidences that's why it's really difficult to see a member who isn't fully equipped with all what you need either to convince a Jew that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah (Christ) or that he has returned to restructure his group since 1914.

MaxInDHouse:
Just as Jews strongly believe that Jesus' disciples dragged their God and His promises regarding the Christ into delusion!

You're shifting it to Jews

You said Jesus disciples claimed it...

Lying liar JWs!

Emusan:

You're shifting it to Jews
You said Jesus disciples claimed it...
Lying liar JWs!

Why not go to Israel today and hear from those faithless miscreants like yourself?

To them Jesus' disciples only claimed that their leader is the Messiah, resurrected after execution and returned to heaven.
They don't believe any of these things just as you too don't want to reason with what his modern day disciples (JWs) are saying about him even though you can see everything they said working out perfectly in their midst!

MaxInDHouse:


Why not go to Israel today and hear from those faithless miscreants like yourself?

To them Jesus' disciples only claimed that their leader is the Messiah, resurrected after execution and returned to heaven.
They don't believe any of these things just as you too don't want to reason with what his modern day disciples (JWs) are saying about him even though you can see everything they said working out perfectly in their midst!

You can keep changing mouth.

Only the Father knows the second coming, if the second coming is about CLAIM Jesus would have said so.

But I just like the way you accepted that it was A CLAIM by JWs so any other thing you say, is just your delusion.

So far so good, 1914 isn't Biblical if it is just point to the verse

Emusan:

You can keep changing mouth.
Only the Father knows the second coming, if the second coming is about CLAIM Jesus would have said so.

Jesus' second coming differs from God's day of judgement when all evildoers will be executed, that's what you need to understand.
Jesus' second coming will be marked by the signs he narrated in the Bible book of Matthew 24:7-14
He will arrange for the final gathering of his sheep separating the sheep from goats, weeds from weath before the day to exterminate all unbelievers. So his coming differs from the day he will strike to destroy all those opposing his government! Luke 19:27

Emusan:

But I just like the way you accepted that it was A CLAIM by JWs so any other thing you say, is just your delusion. So far so good, 1914 isn't Biblical if it is just point to the verse

Jesus' first century Jewish disciples can't point to anywhere in the Bible that this is the date the Messiah will be born, it's just the fulfilment of prophecies they rely on to prove that Jesus is the Messiah not date Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus' second coming differs from God's day of judgement when all evildoers will be executed, that's what you need to understand.

You don't need to tell me Mr

Jesus' second coming will be marked by the signs he narrated in the Bible book of Matthew 24:7-14

Verse 8 "All these are the beginning of sorrows."

All what that happened before 1914 you claimed were signs of Jesus second coming were BEGINNING OF SORROW... In fact, it has always be happening before 1914.

So your 1914 failed here.

The second coming was well stated clearly by Jesus so that people won't be deceived as JWs is deceiving people today in Verses 26-27 "26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

He will arrange for the final gathering of his sheep separating the sheep from goats, weeds from weath before the day to exterminate all unbelievers. So his coming differs from the day he will strike to destroy all those opposing his government! Luke 19:27

That's not the bone of contention Mr.

Jesus' first century Jewish disciples can't point to anywhere in the Bible that this is the date the Messiah will be born, it's just the fulfilment of prophecies they rely on to prove that Jesus is the Messiah not date Sir!

That's nice!

So why did JWs pointed to a DATE when Bible didn't give any date?

Emusan:

So why did JWs pointed to a DATE when Bible didn't give any date?

Please quote any publication of JWs where a date is mentioned that wickedness will end!

MaxInDHouse:

Please quote any publication of JWs where a date is mentioned that wickedness will end!

Who is talking about the end of wickedness?

Jws says Jesus second coming has happened since 1914 true or false?

I can see how you stylishly boycotted that Matt 24:26-27

So was Matt 24:26-27 about second coming or final judgement?

Emusan:

Who is talking about the end of wickedness?
Jws says Jesus second coming has happened since 1914 true or false? I can see how you stylishly boycotted that Matt 24:26-27 So was Matt 24:26-27 about second coming or final judgement?

It's what has been fulfilling since 1914 that pointed to the fact that Jesus has returned just as what happened in the first century helped Jesus' disciples to know that the young man from Nazareth is the Christ!

MaxInDHouse:
It's what has been fulfilling since 1914 that pointed to the fact that Jesus has returned just as what happened in the first century helped Jesus' disciples to know that the young man from Nazareth is the Christ!

When lies have no more covers

From NWT mouth "25 Look! I(Jesus) have forewarned you(MaxInHouse/JWs). 26 Therefore, if people(Watchtower) say to you(MaxInDHouse/JWs), ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it, (or He has come in the year 1914, it's a lie) 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence* of the Son of man will be."

Emusan:

When lies have no more covers
From NWT mouth "25 Look! I(Jesus) have forewarned you(MaxInHouse/JWs). 26 Therefore, if people(Watchtower) say to you(MaxInDHouse/JWs), ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it, (or He has come in the year 1914, it's a lie) 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence* of the Son of man will be."

You're really misconstruing the whole thing!

Jesus returned as a mighty spirit being so JWs never told you to come and meet him anywhere unlike your church people who always advertise on TV and radio stations that people should come and meet Jesus at a venue.

What JWs are saying is that all what Jesus said about his presence are undergoing fulfilment (not that anyone should come and meet him anywhere) because he is an invisible spirit being!

MaxInDHouse:
You're really misconstruing the whole thing!

Jesus returned as a mighty spirit being so JWs never told you to come and meet him anywhere unlike your church people who always advertise on TV and radio stations that people should come and meet Jesus at a venue.

What JWs are saying is that all what Jesus said about his presence are undergoing fulfilment (not that anyone should come and meet him anywhere) because he is an invisible spirit being!

Now I'm misconstruing the whole thing when Matt 24:26-27 were written in plain English.

Again!

When lies have no more covers

From NWT mouth "25 Look! I(Jesus) have forewarned you(MaxInHouse/JWs). 26 Therefore, if people(Watchtower) say to you(MaxInDHouse/JWs), ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it, (or He has come in the year 1914, it's a lie) 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence* of the Son of man will be."

Emusan:


Now I'm misconstruing the whole thing when Matt 24:26-27 were written in plain English.

Again!

When lies have no more covers

From NWT mouth "25 Look! I(Jesus) have forewarned you(MaxInHouse/JWs). 26 Therefore, if people(Watchtower) say to you(MaxInDHouse/JWs), ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it, (or He has come in the year 1914, it's a lie) 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence* of the Son of man will be."

Unlike your church people can you present a publication of JWs where it's written that people should come or go to a place where they will meet Jesus?

MaxInDHouse:
Unlike your church people can you present a publication of JWs where it's written that people should come or go to a place where they will meet Jesus?

Did Watchtower claim that Jesus has come in 1914?

Did Jesus Himself warn people about being deceived about His second coming?

Does Matt 24:26-27 clearly state what will happen at Jesus second coming?

Keep dodging that verse and pretending you don't see it

Emusan:

[1]Did Watchtower claim that Jesus has come in 1914?
[2]Did Jesus Himself warn people about being deceived about His second coming?
[3]Does Matt 24:26-27 clearly state what will happen at Jesus second coming?
Keep dodging that verse and pretending you don't see it

[1] YES! Just as Jesus' disciples also claimed that the Messiah God promised has come in the first century.

[2] NO! Jesus was talking about people deceiving others about meeting him physically.

[3] NO! You got it wrong!
This is what Jesus said:

"Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be" Matthew 24:26-27

His true disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) never invited anyone to come or go and meet Jesus anywhere unlike your church people always do on TV and Radio stations!

MaxInDHouse:
[1] YES! Just as Jesus' disciples also claimed that the Messiah God promised has come in the first century.

Then show me from the Bible where Jesus make that statement.

[2] NO! Jesus was talking about people deceiving others about meeting him physically.

Liar! Jesus was talking about HIS PRESENCE

Very bold in that Matt 24:27

[3] NO! You got it wrong!
This is what Jesus said:

"Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be" Matthew 24:26-27

I've highlighted the major part.

So it was "His PRESENCE"

Is 1914 about Jesus PRESENCE or not?

Let's see who is lying

His true disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) never invited anyone to come or go and meet Jesus anywhere unlike your church people always do on TV and Radio stations!

Jws lied that Jesus has come or His Presence has happened in 1914 but what that verses were saying is that His Presence won't be anything of dark but open to everyone to confirm in which nobody will deny it.

You have been scammed by Watchtower.

Emusan:

Then show me from the Bible where Jesus make that statement.

Show you what?

Emusan:

Liar! Jesus was talking about HIS PRESENCE
Very bold in that Matt 24:27
I've highlighted the major part.
So it was "His PRESENCE"

Just as the Jews in the first century called Jesus and his disciples liars for applying the prophesies to their activities!

Emusan:

Is 1914 about Jesus PRESENCE or not?
Let's see who is lying
Jws lied that Jesus has come or His Presence has happened in 1914 but what that verses were saying is that His Presence won't be anything of dark but open to everyone to confirm in which nobody will deny it.

Of course all the evidences of his presence is a global phenomenon not only noticed in a part of the planet nah!

Emusan:

You have been scammed by Watchtower.

Just as Jews in the first century always tell Jesus' disciples that the young Nazarene has scammed them!

ErnestNc:

Jehovah's Witnesses put it in record that Jesus came in 1914 with no biblical proof or social proof!

Before i exit your thread i must leave behind a memorable comment that will continue to ring in the minds of all honest hearted and sincere followers of this particular thread.
It's obvious you're now confused after reading my responses because you've been silenced just as our God promised us regarding whoever asked for the reason of the hope we have. Isaiah 54:17

Please open your Bible to the book of Revelation chapters 6 and start reading from verse 1&2:
There it was revealed that a spirit king began a conquest he was clothed in white linen riding a white horse and on his head a crown with a bow in his hand as he's riding and conquering.

@ verses 3&4:
Another spirit followed him instantly but this one is riding a scarlet red horse and a big sword was in his hand to take away peace from the earth.

@ verses 5&6:
Another spirit followed him instantly and this one looks skinny and hungry is carrying a scale in his hand shouting food is costly but don't let it affect alcoholic beverages and beauty products.

@ verses 7&8:
Another spirit followed but this one is riding with all manners of sicknesses with death and grave is closely following.

If you need further explanation don't hesitate to ask me or feel free to approach any member of Jehovah's Witnesses in your neighbourhood to TEACH you.

One thing that's clear with this revelation is that the mighty spirit riding on white horse is Christ Jesus as he began the final gathering of his earthly subjects globally separating weath from weeds {Matthew 13:30} sheep from goats {Matthew 25:34-46} you may disagree but that's the Lord Jesus Christ.

So one thing left to figure out now is the time (year) this mighty spirit king came to the earth and all others started following him but if you will ask me i will confidently say it's the year 1914 because that's the year a global family of peace loving worshipers began surfacing in the name of "Jehovah's Witnesses" and they are going throughout the earth making disciples and teaching them to observe all what Jesus of Nazareth commanded {Matthew 28:18-20} and they have settled their disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
You may attribute all these fine WORKS of FAITH {James 2:18-26} to Satan after all that's how faithless Jews in the first century did to Jesus and his faithful disciples {Matthew 10:25} just know that blasphemy against humans like you and i will be forgiven but blasphemy against the spirit of God working out what is fine will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32


Farewell!

MaxInDHouse:
Show you what?

Where you got the date 1914 from

Just as the Jews in the first century called Jesus and his disciples liars for applying the prophesies to their activities!

When you can't defend Matt 24:26-27

Of course all the evidences of his presence is a global phenomenon not only noticed in a part of the planet nah!

But it didn't happen in 1914 as Jesus said and there was a caught

Just as Jews in the first century always tell Jesus' disciples that the young Nazarene has scammed them!

See what has silent you since "Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be" Matthew 24:26-27

This didn't happen in 1914 over

MaxInDHouse:

What convinced you that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah (Christ) God promised Israel?

Of course if you can't explain or proof how Jesus is the promised Messiah to a Jew then

The scriptures says he's the messiah and I believe in the scriptures.

you can't question JWs who claimed Jesus returned in 1914!

This my friend wasn't talked about in the scriptures.

It's a huge lie. And you all believe what they told you in the kingdom Hall. You were indoctrinated by men whom Jesus rejected, because they have been rejected, they also don't want to be alone, they also came and discipled you all into apostacy and blasphemous beliefs. They refused to enter into the kingdom of God and wouldn't allow your innocent souls to enter.

ErnestNc:
The Jehovah witness organisation is one mysterious set of people that proclaim to be the only righteous people on earth.

Everyone else is a sinner unless you become an ardent listener and faithful attendee of their kingdom Hall events appearing pious and sanctimonious in old fashioned clothings and black shoes . 🤡🤡

They don't believe Jesus can speak to anyone neither do they believe in the voice of the Holy spirit , dreams and visions.

They are the first to attack you with twisted scriptural interpretation and impatiently call you fake because you failed to provide scriptural backings of your claims, but yet, somehow one of their leaders was able to put it in record that Jesus came in 1914 with no biblical proof or social proof 😂😂🤣

Below is how they react when you confront them with their claims 👇👇

They get their 1914 doctrine from an Occultic teaching called Numerology where the use of numbers and dates are used to predict the future. JWs are not aware of this because they know nothing more than What Watchtower feeds them. They are not allowed to question or correct their religious leaders. So, they can be fed occultic doctrines without knowing it and they will accept whatever they are told. The JW Cult runs based on Fear, Obligation and Guilt. I have asked all the JWs in this forum to explain 1914 from the Bible and none of them could do it yet they say it is based on the Bible. Doesn't make sense, does it? You must understand that nothing in the Cult ever makes sense. You must obey anything you are told even though it doesn't make sense. The JW Cult is not meant for thinking individuals with working brains. It is meant for Robots.

MaxInDHouse:

Before i exit your thread i must leave behind a memorable comment that will continue to ring in the minds of all honest hearted and sincere followers of this particular thread.
It's obvious you're now confused after reading my responses because you've been silenced just as our God promised us regarding whoever asked for the reason of the hope we have. Isaiah 54:17

Please open your Bible to the book of Revelation chapters 6 and start reading from verse 1&2:
There it was revealed that a spirit king began a conquest he was clothed in white linen riding a white horse and on his head a crown with a bow in his hand as he's riding and conquering.

@ verses 3&4:
Another spirit followed him instantly but this one is riding a scarlet red horse and a big sword was in his hand to take away peace from the earth.

@ verses 5&6:
Another spirit followed him instantly and this one looks skinny and hungry is carrying a scale in his hand shouting food is costly but don't let it affect alcoholic beverages and beauty products.

@ verses 7&8:
Another spirit followed but this one is riding with all manners of sicknesses with death and grave is closely following.

If you need further explanation don't hesitate to ask me or feel free to approach any member of Jehovah's Witnesses in your neighbourhood to TEACH you.

One thing that's clear with this revelation is that the mighty spirit riding on white horse is Christ Jesus as he began the final gathering of his earthly subjects globally separating weath from weeds {Matthew 13:30} sheep from goats {Matthew 25:34-46} you may disagree but that's the Lord Jesus Christ.

So one thing left to figure out now is the time (year) this mighty spirit king came to the earth and all others started following him but if you will ask me i will confidently say it's the year 1914 because that's the year a global family of peace loving worshipers began surfacing in the name of "Jehovah's Witnesses" and they are going throughout the earth making disciples and teaching them to observe all what Jesus of Nazareth commanded {Matthew 28:18-20} and they have settled their disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
You may attribute all these fine WORKS of FAITH {James 2:18-26} to Satan after all that's how faithless Jews in the first century did to Jesus and his faithful disciples {Matthew 10:25} just know that blasphemy against humans like you and i will be forgiven but blasphemy against the spirit of God working out what is fine will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32


Farewell!

My guy.

You all can't force us to believe in your doctrines. I can bring out any scripture and interpret it the way I want ,just as how you all misinterpret John 1 and Hebrews 1.

It's sad you don't know the spirit of truth . The same spirit you don't believe can speak to anyone . You don't believe in the grace and power of God , but only self righteousness and arguments are your tributaries.

You deny the deity of Christ. Some of you lots even describe him as the arc angel Michael.

I can't even begin to mention the errors you have chosen to believe. I can't tell you not to believe . But this I know, Jesus crucified and glorified alone.

When they talk about 1914, they forget that Jesus actually warned about people like them who will say he has come. They also forget that Jesus specifically said that No one knows the day of his coming. But here they are fixing a date that goes against the words of Jesus thereby qualifying themselves as False prophets. They have prophesied the end of the world many times. They are False prophets. Almighty God has strong words against False prophets in the Bible. Jesus has warned against them as well. The Bible itself condemns the JWs completely.

ErnestNc:

The scriptures says he's the messiah and I believe in the scriptures.

Old Testament accepted by all Jews or the New Testament written by Jesus' disciples?