Now this is what i'm saying. Most of the things you wrote totally differs from what faith truly means!

FRANCISTOWN:

Not at all, there are diversities of Atheism. There are antitheists, there are apatheists, there are agnostics atheists e.t.c.
The reason some atheists think some theists are stupid is because "Faith" is a denial of common sense. Even in churches, pastors always say "you can't use your brain when you are following God".
Here is it.
A normal human brain should reject that a snake talked, that a donkey talked, that bread fell from heaven,that someone had to become his own son and had to sacrifice himself to himself for the people he cursed by himself.
Now a normal human brain cannot grasp what I've stated above.
Okay let's say we are ready to believe, but can these things be repeated before our very eyes? No! So there is no point in believing.
That's the reason some atheists believe that theists are senseless for believing in what is impossible in the guise of "Faith".
Many atheists were extremely religious people people they became atheists.
I was extremely religious myself, I saw the in and out of Christianity, I was almost on my way to becoming a Rev. Father before I backed out.
@ the other guy that I called "dumb". I've known the guy for a while, whenever you say anything that doesn't sit well with him, the next thing is "insults" and the guys doesn't even understand simple english.

Francistown, which pastors made such comment and which God were they referring to?

What such pastors were actually saying was that their members couldn't follow them and still use their brain. Anyone who uses his/her brain will not listen, even for a second, to what most of the people you call pastors say.

Faith is not a denial of common sense.


The God who created man and gave him brain wants and expects him to use it and use it to the fullest. It is even Satan, the demons and their human agents that do not want people to use their brain.

It is with the brain that you find, or should I say know, God, the Creator.

The thing is, do you even know what it means to use the brain. What you refer to as the use of brain, francistown, may be a demonic influence on the mind.

FRANCISTOWN:

The reason some atheists think some theists are stupid is because "Faith" is a denial of common sense. Even in churches, pastors always say "you can't use your brain when you are following God".

During your time as a thiest, or whatever you people call it, did you ever come across the word "brain" in the Scriptures.

FRANCISTOWN:

Humans made gods.
Humans say god is omnipotent.
Yet humans fight on god's behalf

Your father and your grandfather

Yeah I can understand that there are stupid humans who call their phones, cars and mannequins, gods.

elated177:
Francistown, which pastors made such comment and which God were they referring to?

The Bible ( anyone who believes any miracle in the Bible, has suspended the use for their brain. )
Bishop David Oyedepo

elated177:

What such pastors were actually saying was that their members couldn't follow them and still use their brain. Anyone who uses his/her brain will not listen, even for a second, to what most of the people you call pastors say.

Faith is not a denial of common sense.

Then how do you explain how common sense supports that a snake beguiled a human being, water turned into wine, and that the Red Sea parted? Aren't all that counter common sense?
Faith is a denial of common sense, common sense and faith cannot work hand-in-hand.

elated177:

The God who created man and gave him brain wants and expects him to use it and use it to the fullest. It is even Satan, the demons and their human agents that do not want people to use their brain.

Don't try to defend what is undefendable. God wants you to believe in the Bible.
The Bible says that a snake talk.
Anybody with a thinking brain should know that that was infact a lie.
I repeat, God does not want you to use your brain, because he wants you to keep believing in the fairytales that are compacted in the Bible

elated177:

It is with the brain that you find, or should I say know, God, the Creator.

It's with the brain that you'll find that there is no god.
A god who has been silent like it's 3am at a graveyard really doesn't need any hardwork for the brain to conclude it as inexistent

elated177:

The thing is, do you even know what it means to use the brain. What you refer to as the use of brain, francistown, may be a demonic influence on the mind.

There are no demons, at least there is no proof of the existence of any demon.
This is pure reasoning, people will come to the age of reasoning in their lives when they'll be bored and tired of fairytales.
And this has nothing to do with demons or whatever, they just come to the age of reasoning and start dropping childish stuffs

elated177:

During your time as a thiest, or whatever you people call it, did you ever come across the word "brain" in the Scriptures.

Nope, but the bible used several other things in it's stead, like mind, heart, wisdom, knowledge, head, learning e.t.c

MaxInDHouse:
Now this is what i'm saying. Most of the things you wrote totally differs from what faith truly means!

Does faith not require a believe in the Bible?
Does the bible not say things that are contrary to common sense?

Dtruthspeaker:


Yeah I can understand that there are stupid humans who call their phones, cars and mannequins, gods.

At least they see the god they call, they are better off people who call a god that is as dead silent like it's 3am at a graveyard

FRANCISTOWN:

Does faith not require a believe in the Bible?
Does the bible not say things that are contrary to common sense?

NO, Sir!
What you're describing is called "CREDULITY" or in other words "DELUSION" not FAITH!

Francistown, present the audio or video of where such assertion was made.

Francistown, what is your age bracket?

Which denomination did you belong to when you were a Christian?

Anyone who uses his/her brain will understand those things, francistown.

MaxInDHouse:


NO, Sir!
What you're describing is called "CREDULITY" or in other words "DELUSION" not FAITH!

🤣🤣 I see what you did there. You were trying to be elusory.
I'll ask you again,
Does "faith" not require a believe in the impossible things which are written as the acts of god in the bible even when those things are counter common sense and reasoning?
If no? Then what is faith?
If yes? Then Q.E.D

elated177:
Anyone who uses his/her brain will understand those things, francistown.

Which things? You can just quote me. That'll make it easy to track which comment is for which comment

elated177:
Francistown, what is your age bracket?

Which denomination did you belong to when you were a Christian?

I may be looking towards becoming a grandfather in the next ten years

I started out as a platinum member of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, then I regenerated into RCCG, from there I renavigated to Winners, Stone Church, Christ Embassy, Baptist, C.A.C and all. Only white garments churches, I didn't worship with.

elated177:
Francistown, present the audio or video of where such assertion was made.

How would you receive the audio format?

FRANCISTOWN:

Does "faith" not require a believe in the impossible things which are written as the acts of god in the bible even when those things are counter common sense and reasoning?

NO!

FRANCISTOWN:

Then what is faith?

If you're an atheist and you don't believe in faith then you have to allow those who believe in faith define it for you not the other way around Sir!

According to God's word:

"Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen" Hebrews 11:1

So faith isn't looking for what happened in the past and asking for a repetition naaaaaaaaaa!

Faith connotes visible works you're doing in anticipation of a profitable end which others around you can't see immediately but evident in what you're doing as you're progressing.
So they have to ask you why you're working so seriously on this thing then you need to explain but since it has never been seen or heard before only those observing the progression of what you're doing can grasp it.

For instance: Orville and Wilbur Wright made the first aeroplane but have anyone ever seen one before?
NO!
This two brothers had strong FAITH that if they study flying things around them they can also make a flying vessel that will benefit mankind so they began working towards it. Please if you walk towards them back then and ask:
"What are you guys doing?"
And they told you
"We are working on a flying vessel that will carried people and fly in the air"
Will you have believed them when such has never been seen before?
Surely not!
But if you continue observing closely as they're working it will get to a point that you will also begin to have FAITH in what they're doing as it's progressing. Today nobody can doubt that a flying vessel can carry people from one part of the earth to another because we can all see planes flying in the air but what led the Wright Brothers into such research?
It's FAITH in the God who made flying creatures, they continue studying this things and working towards imitating the works of God and as they pray to God for support he sent angels to work with them. Of course they can't see the angels working with them but they're both sure that God has a hand in what they discovered.
Ọmọ that's faith not just sitting down waiting for snakes or donkeys to talk. Abeg of what benefit will that be?
So it's credulous as in delusional humans who always sit down expecting God to repeat what they heard He did in times past but faithful people think of the benefit we will derive from what God did.
The snake in the garden of Eden and Ballad's donkey both talked a faithful person will ask what made them talk? And what benefit do i derive from this event not expecting God to come and do it again then you can be sure it really happened my friend there's no benefits in that jọọ!

MaxInDHouse:

NO!

If you're an atheist and you don't believe in faith then you have to allow those who believe in faith define it for you not the other way around Sir!

According to God's word:

"Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen" Hebrews 11:1

So faith isn't looking for what happened in the past and asking for a repetition naaaaaaaaaa!

Faith connotes visible works you're doing in anticipation of a profitable end which others around you can't see immediately but evident in what you're doing as you're progressing.
So they have to ask you why you're working so seriously on this thing then you need to explain but since it has never been seen or heard before only those observing the progression of what you're doing can grasp it.

For instance: Orville and Wilbur Wright made the first aeroplane but have anyone ever seen one before?
NO!
This two brothers had strong FAITH that if they study flying things around them they can also make a flying vessel that will benefit mankind so they began working towards it. Please if you walk towards them back then and ask:
"What are you guys doing?"
And they told you
"We are working on a flying vessel that will carried people and fly in the air"
Will you have believed them when such has never been seen before?
Surely not!
But if you continue observing closely as they're working it will get to a point that you will also begin to have FAITH in what they're doing as it's progressing. Today nobody can doubt that a flying vessel can carry people from one part of the earth to another because we can all see planes flying in the air but what led the Wright Brothers into such research?
It's FAITH in the God who made flying creatures, they continue studying this things and working towards imitating the works of God and as they pray to God for support he sent angels to work with them. Of course they can't see the angels working with them but they're both sure that God has a hand in what they discovered.
Ọmọ that's faith not just sitting down waiting for snakes or donkeys to talk. Abeg of what benefit will that be?
So it's credulous as in delusional humans who always sit down expecting God to repeat what they heard He did in times past but faithful people think of the benefit we will derive from what God did.
The snake in the garden of Eden and Ballad's donkey both talked a faithful person will ask what made them talk? And what benefit do i derive from this event not expecting God to come and do it again then you can be sure it really happened my friend there's no benefits in that jọọ!

Okay, according to your explanation so far.
You said faith doesn't necessarily mean that one should believe in past things?

Okay, according to the "Christian Faith". Can I have a christian faith without believing in the Bible?.

Everyone has faith. Today is Friday, I'm going to the office.
I have an appointment scheduled for today.
I have faith that I'll get to the office today.
Now, what I'm saying is, can I have a "Christian Faith" without believing in the Bible and the things written in it?

FRANCISTOWN:

Okay, according to your explanation so far.
You said faith doesn't necessarily mean that one should believe in past things?
Okay, according to the "Christian Faith". Can I have a christian faith without believing in the Bible?. Everyone has faith. Today is Friday, I'm going to the office.
I have an appointment scheduled for today.
I have faith that I'll get to the office today.
Now, what I'm saying is, can I have a "Christian Faith" without believing in the Bible and the things written in it?

The Bible is useless if you have nothing tangible to do in support of God's purpose so you don't need faith in the Bible if you're not interested in the future of mankind.
All those stories you're referring to becomes irrelevant if you don't know God's plan for the future of mankind.
As one of Jehovah's Witnesses the only reason why i take the Bible seriously is the ongoing fulfilment of God's purpose that i can see His worshipers (Jehovah's Witnesses) doing in my own time that's what compliments all the things i found in the Bible trying to understand how it relates to me.
But if there are no group of people fulfilling what the God of the Bible promised regarding my time then the book is as useless as all other religious books!

MaxInDHouse:



But if there are no group of people fulfilling what the God of the Bible promised regarding my time then the book is as useless as all other religious books!

Q.E.D The Bible is useless.
First time someone is saying the truth

FRANCISTOWN:

Q.E.D The Bible is useless.
First time someone is saying the truth

To you it is but to me i'm enjoying lots of benefits from participating in God's work with faith!

FRANCISTOWN:


At least they see the god they call, they are better off people who call a god that is as dead silent like it's 3am at a graveyard

When people do not want to talk or relate with a person they don't like, they are usually far from them and silent, so this is normal.

But surely, we call a person mad, who says that the chair he made is his god.

Dtruthspeaker:


When people do not want to talk or relate with a persons they don't like, they are usually far from them and silent, so this is normal.

Any sensible father would try to create a good relationship with his son.
I don't know whether you have a child yet, but there is a part of you that bleeds for your child.
Now if ye being evil knows how to give good things to your children, how much more your "Omnibenevolent father".
It doesnt cost a god anything to turn the heart of everyone to him, "the hearts of kings are in the hands of the Lord like rivers of water and he turneth it how he wants"

Dtruthspeaker:

But surely, we call a person mad, who says that the chair he made is his god.

The only person I'll call mad is someone who calls a god that is as silent as an earphone that isn't connected to anything. Absolutely no sound

FRANCISTOWN:

Any sensible father would try to create a good relationship with his son.
I don't know whether you have a child yet, but there is a part of you that bleeds for your child.

Is it every child we have that we accept as our child?

No!

Not to talk of when we reject and cast out children who are truly ours but because of an issue or issues, we hate them and we kick them out, even when it would not cost us anything.

We have even accepted children who aren't ours, as our children.

Thus, you have no point here. And of course, if a prostitute brought a child to you saying it's yours, we all know how you would reject him and run far away from them like Sanwo-olu has done denying the boy claiming he is his father or the other fake lawyer who was caught, who also claimed that he committed the crime because his father, who is an SAN, abandoned him.

FRANCISTOWN:

The only person I'll call mad is...

The world does not revolve around you and repeating what you have said before is proof you have no counter to give.

FRANCISTOWN, post the video or audio here.