Most Christians believe that Satan had been defeated through the death of Jesus on the cross. How does this imply that God had won and Satan had lost?
Facts have revealed that the number of godless people dying every day far surpasses that of godly people dying every single day. That is, people entering eternal destruction far outnumber those who are marked for eternal life. Isn't this the goal of Satan? To lead people astray?
In my own view, I think Satan is winning the war. What is the use of Jesus death on the cross then?
How does it bring salvation if it doesn't prevent people from eternal damnation?
It is an unrefutable fact that out of 200000 people that enter the afterlife, approximately 80% go to hell. What is then the purpose of Jesus's death if it can't prevent this much from go to eternal damnation?
Between Satan and God, who do you think is winning the war?

....you said 80% abi?? Not 100%... there you go...the remaining 20% that choose to obey in full is the purpose of Jesus's death you are asking .....how you choose to use ur free will is totally up to you...

No come dey blame Jesus wey show u road or Satan wey dey run you street.....

advanceDNA:
....you said 80% abi?? Not 100%... there you go...the remaining 20% that choose to obey in full is the purpose of Jesus's death you are asking .....how you choose to use ur free will is totally up to you...

No come dey blame Jesus wey show u road or Satan wey dey run you street.....

I don’t get your point. If the 20% who obeyed Gods words make heaven, then which sin did Jesus die for?

SangoOlukosoOba:


I don’t get your point. If the 20% who obeyed Gods words make heaven, then which sin did Jesus die for?

I did not get u either.........obedience to God's word is simple english...which part of it dont u undertand?

SangoOlukosoOba:
■ I don’t get your point. If the 20% who obeyed Gods words make heaven, then which sin did Jesus die for?

Not trying to hold brief for the gobbledegook spewed by OP, but what do you mean when you say Jesus died for sin?

Kobojunkie:
Not trying to hold brief for the gobbledegook spewed by OP, but what do you mean when you say Jesus died for sin?

That’s the usual saying by Christians that, Jesus died for our sins.

Romans 5:8-9

SangoOlukosoOba:
■ That’s the usual saying by Christians that, Jesus died for our sins. Romans 5:8-9

Well, I am not of the religion of Christianity nor do I subscribe to their many meaningless soundbites. As for what Paul in fact said in Romans 5.

6 Christ died for us when we were unable to help ourselves. We were living against God, but at just the right time Christ died for us.
7 Very few people will die to save the life of someone else, even if it is for a good person. Someone might be willing to die for an especially good person.
8 But Christ died for us while we were still sinners, and by this God showed how much he loves us.
9 We have been made right with God by the blood sacrifice of Christ. So through Christ we will surely be saved from God’s anger.
10 I mean that while we were God’s enemies, he made friends with us through his Son’s death. And the fact that we are now God’s friends makes it even more certain that he will save us through his Son’s life.
11 And not only will we be saved, but we also rejoice right now in what God has done for us through our Lord Jesus Christ. It is because of Jesus that we are now God’s friends. - Romans 5 vs 6 - 11

Sticking to the issue at hand, clearly even Paul didn't say that Jesus Christ died for sins. Rather what Paul said is that Jesus Christ died for the sinners — formerly enemies of God— to be afforded a path back to God — the Way to redemption, back to God. And as Jesus Christ made clear in His Gospel, it is those among them who become born-again that that path to redemption is available to - John 3 vs 1 - 21.

Kobojunkie:
Well, I am not of the religion of Christianity nor do I subscribe to their many meaningless soundbites. As for what Paul in fact said in Romans 5. Sticking to the issue at hand, clearly even Paul didn't say that Jesus Christ died for sins. Rather what Paul said is that Jesus Christ died for the sinners — formerly enemies of God— to be afforded a path back to God — the Way to redemption, back to God. And as Jesus Christ made clear in His Gospel, it is those among them who become born-again that that path to redemption is available to - John 3 vs 1 - 21.

Only Christians are going to heaven then, the rest of us are definitely going to 🔥🔥🔥😈😈😈

It’s all fiction though.

SangoOlukosoOba:
■ Only Christians are going to heaven then, the rest of us are definitely going to 🔥🔥🔥😈😈😈
It’s all fiction though.

Well, scripture actually says that only those who are born-again can enter into either heaven or hell -- the Kingdom of God. The rest of you are unaffected by it all which fortunately for you you term fiction.

Mikel99:

Between Satan and God, who do you think is winning the war?

GOD!

Before contemplating on who wins or loose you need to know what the both of them had in mind to prove.

GOD claimed that only through His guidance can man have peace and He will make it possible for His worshipers to cohabit peacefully without using weapons to resolve issues among themselves.

Satan on the other hand asserted that mankind can rule themselves independently without God's guidance so they don't need God both of them need to prove what they said while other heavenly creatures watch to see whose claim is true.

So it's not about DEMOCRACY majority carry the vote. NO! It's about proving their claim.

Today despite all the system of government introduced by Satan mankind has failed woefully to find a system of government that's independent yet successful. Ecclesiastes 8:9
But among God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) a government has been established since 1914 Jesus is the King and 144,000 corulers with him most of them are in heaven with him only a remnant are on planet Earth have organised one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

God's people are living as if they speak the same language {Zephaniah 3:9} because they all have the same line of thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

So the whole thing is gradually coming to an end now that an heavenly government headed by Christ Jesus has been established (New Heavens) and a global family of peace loving worshipers has been formed (New Earth) the only thing left now is for Jesus to bring his kingdom down to the Earth {Matthew 6:10} after all Satan, his cohorts (demons) and their human agents (politicians) have failed woefully to form a government that will unite their subjects as ONE!

I don't want to say much on this conversation because we won't come to a conclusion..
I have tried to show so many people the light but it's almost like some people are just programmed to think in a certain way since they were born.
What wrong in thinking out of the box to see if it favours you..? I did that some years back and it has been highly beneficial to my mental, emotional and financial health.
Don't just sit back and believe what anyone tells you , not even me.
Do your research, experiments and seek raw facts not hear-say.

Time will tell in the end

Mikel99:
Most Christians believe that Satan had been defeated through the death of Jesus on the cross. How does this imply that God had won and Satan had lost?
Facts have revealed that the number of godless people dying every day far surpasses that of godly people dying every single day. That is, people entering eternal destruction far outnumber those who are marked for eternal life. Isn't this the goal of Satan? To lead people astray?
In my own view, I think Satan is winning the war. What is the use of Jesus death on the cross then?
How does it bring salvation if it doesn't prevent people from eternal damnation?
It is an unrefutable fact that out of 200000 people that enter the afterlife, approximately 80% go to hell. What is then the purpose of Jesus's death if it can't prevent this much from go to eternal damnation?
Between Satan and God, who do you think is winning the war?

The Devil Character has always been smarter, responsive, more acknowledgeable and more hardworking than the God character.
In one word, the Devil is winning

Kobojunkie:
Well, I am not of the religion of Christianity nor do I subscribe to their many meaningless soundbites.

So how do you describe your practice? When filling out forms with a field for Religion what do you put down on it?

GOD IS WINNING.
HE HAS LAID FOR ALL BELIEVERS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND ETERNITY THROUGH CHRIST JESUS.

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GOD IS WINNING.
HE HAS LAID FOR ALL BELIEVERS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND ETERNITY THROUGH CHRIST JESUS.
FOLLOW THIS AND REMAIN A WINNER LIKE GOD FOR LIFE.

LordReed:
So how do you describe your practice? When filling out forms with a field for Religion what do you put down on it?

none .

Kobojunkie:
none .

You don't practice any form of worship and devotion?

LordReed:
You don't practice any form of worship and devotion?

I don't do any of what the religious folks do which they term worship and devotion. Worship for me simply means being a law-abiding citizen of the Kingdom of God .I.e. living my life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ 24/7 -- a way of life really.

If by devotion, you mean prayer, then that is also part of the lifestyle. I talk to God whenever I feel like it and I do so where no one can see or hear me.

Kobojunkie:


I don't do any of what the religious folks do which they term worship and devotion. Worship for me simply means being a law-abiding citizen of the Kingdom of God .I.e. living my life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ 24/7 -- a way of life really.

If by devotion, you mean prayer, then that is also part of the lifestyle. I talk to God whenever I feel like it and I do so where no one can see or hear me.

Do you attend any gatherings of people of similar persuasion?

LordReed:
■ Do you attend any gatherings of people of similar persuasion?

Of course not.

As for prayers, I say the Lord's prayer when I pray.

Kobojunkie:
Of course not.

As for prayers, I say the Lord's prayer when I pray.

That's the only kind of prayer you say?

LordReed:
That's the only kind of prayer you say?

Is there a better prayer than the one recommended by God Himself?

I say the Lord's prayer whenever I want to pray, just as Jesus Christ said. And after that, I ask all I want to ask without worry.

Kobojunkie:
Is there a better prayer than the one recommended by God Himself?

I say the Lord's prayer whenever I want to pray, just as Jesus Christ said. And after that, I ask all I want to ask without worry.

Sounds nice. Doesn't seem to have a lot of baggage tbh.

LordReed:
Sounds nice. Doesn't seem to have a lot of baggage tbh.

It wasn't meant to be baggage of any kind.

Mikel99:
Most Christians believe that Satan had been defeated through the death of Jesus on the cross. How does this imply that God had won and Satan had lost?
Facts have revealed that the number of godless people dying every day far surpasses that of godly people dying every single day. That is, people entering eternal destruction far outnumber those who are marked for eternal life. Isn't this the goal of Satan? To lead people astray?
In my own view, I think Satan is winning the war. What is the use of Jesus death on the cross then?
How does it bring salvation if it doesn't prevent people from eternal damnation?
It is an unrefutable fact that out of 200000 people that enter the afterlife, approximately 80% go to hell. What is then the purpose of Jesus's death if it can't prevent this much from go to eternal damnation?
Between Satan and God, who do you think is winning the war?

Defeat is defeat. When a doctor has made a cure for leprosy he has still defeated leprosy even if people are not taking the cure.

vdestro:


Defeat is defeat. When a doctor has made a cure for leprosy he has still defeated leprosy even if people are not taking the cure.

Dont let sense kill you jare

GOD IS WINNING ALL THE TIMES. GOD IS NOT ENGAGED IN ANY WAR. BECAUSE GOD KNEW THE EARTH AND ITS FULNESS BEFORE IT CREATED THEM.

FULANI HERDSMEN ARE TERRORISTS AND BUHARI IS BEHIND THEM BY CHRISTANA AMANPOUR CNN. DON'T WORRY SAYS THE LORD, VENGEANCE IS MINE. I WILL REPAY EVERYTHING.

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TINUBU REMI AND SHETTIMA, I AM WATCHING.

advanceDNA:


Dont let sense kill you jare