This will be short.
In the past, we have looked at the preceeding verse and asked the question :
Why would the Sabians be permitted in paradise as they worship the constellations (stars, moon and other heavenly bodies)

The emphasis of today is different.

Allah in the Qur'an spoke of the Lord of the Jews, the Lord of the Christians, the Lord of the Sabians and the Lord of whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, as going to have their reward presumably in paradise.

Qur'an 2.62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

Four categories here o and Islam is not even mentioned. But not to be sidetracked, Islam could be among the fourth category because they are the only group here who fear Allah.

My point of emphasis is the phrase highlighted in yellow "they shall have their reward from THEIR LORD."

Since the Qur'an is very precise and unambiguous as it is the very words of Allah, it should have been
"they shall have their reward from US " if Allah meant otherwise.

Thank you

Question :
1. Is this statement in Qur'an 2:62 of the Qur'an from Allah or Mohammed?
2. If the statement is from Allah, who is/are the THEIR LORD spoken of by Allah?
3. Is Allah codedly recognising that he isn't the Lord of the Jews, Christians and Sabians?


Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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Pls don't start a religious war here, we are still dealing with a tribal war.

sorosoke101:
Pls don't start a religious war here, we are still dealing with a tribal war.

Why would simple questions lead to religious wars except some people are just simply hostile and overwhelmed with unwanted truths?

If they don't know the answer, they can say so!

If they know the answer, that too is beautiful!


They are also welcomed to ask their own questions as its a free world?
I come in peace o!

That verse should have written “lords”

Maynmann:
That verse should have written “lords”

I write exactly as the Qur'an has written it in English.

The error in grammer is not my fault as the use of THEIR LORD rather than ME or US (as Allah likes to call himself) can only be rectified by Muslims

TenQ:

I write exactly as the Qur'an has written it in English.

The error in grammer is not my fault as the use of THEIR LORD rather than ME or US (as Allah likes to call himself) can only be rectified by Muslims

The quran was written in English?
Was new or Old Testament written in English?

Heard of “lord adonai” before?

TenQ:

Why would simple questions lead to religious wars except some people are just simply hostile and overwhelmed with unwanted truths?

If they don't know the answer, they can say so!

If they know the answer, that too is beautiful!


They are also welcomed to ask their own questions as its a free world?
I come in peace o!

it seems you don't know majority of nairalanders are demented souls they will soon pounce on you

TenQ. Expose the lies of Quran.


Antichristian, my friend.
Food done done.

Maynmann:

The quran was written in English?
Was new or Old Testament written in English?

Heard of “lord adonai” before?

This is Qur'an written in English by Muslims.
This translation is according to Shakir if you like to know.

Here is the Arabic if you can translate

Original Book
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

Here is another translation if you are in doubt

Literal Qur'an
That those who believed and those who repented/guided/Jews , and the Christians and the Sabians/converts , who believed with God and the Day the Last/Resurrection Day, and made/did correct/righteous deeds, so for them their reward (is) at their lord, and no fear/fright on them, and nor they be sad/grieving.

TenQ:

This is Qur'an written in English by Muslims.
This translation is according to Shakir if you like to know.

Here is the Arabic if you can translate

Original Book
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

Here is another translation if you are in doubt

Literal Qur'an
That those who believed and those who repented/guided/Jews , and the Christians and the Sabians/converts , who believed with God and the Day the Last/Resurrection Day, and made/did correct/righteous deeds, so for them their reward (is) at their lord, and no fear/fright on them, and nor they be sad/grieving.

That those who believed and those who repented/guided/Jews , and the Christians and the Sabians/converts , who believed with God and the Day the Last/Resurrection Day, and made/did correct/righteous deeds, so for them their reward (is) at their lord, and no fear/fright on them, and nor they be sad/grieving.

It’s saying the same thing read the whole verse, if it was talking about others, it would have written LORDS.

sorosoke101:
it seems you don't know majority of nairalanders are demented souls they will soon pounce on you

I am too used to that: actually they now withdraw in silence since their bullying failed woefully.

The accusation initially was that I am copying from one christian anti Muslim website. They forget that I was almost a Muslim at a point of my life. The difference is that I ASK QUESTIONS and they don't.

Most will pretend that they never saw this thread.

MightySparrow:
TenQ. Expose the lies of Quran.


Antichristian, my friend.
Food done done.

It's amazing when you pose a simple question : this is even about grammar not doctrine.

Why!?
Why does Allah use the phrase THEIR LORD in a positive sense.


It is either
1. Mohammed wrote this verse forgetting that he should be impasonating Allah
OR
2. Allah was referring to the Lord of the Christians, the Jews and the Sabians as different from himself

We can even leave out the question
Why would the Sabians be permitted in paradise as they worship the constellations (stars, moon and other heavenly bodies)

Maynmann:

That those who believed and those who repented/guided/Jews , and the Christians and the Sabians/converts , who believed with God and the Day the Last/Resurrection Day, and made/did correct/righteous deeds, so for them their reward (is) at their lord, and no fear/fright on them, and nor they be sad/grieving.

It’s saying the same thing read the whole verse, if it was talking about others, it would have written LORDS.

You are not getting it
1. I can't edit grammatical errors in the quran. In this verse alone there are a few
a. The Lord should have been LORDS
b. Their Lord should have been ME or US (as Allah likes to be plural)

2. Every translation agree as there isn't much difference in Arabic to English meaning of the verse.

There are two options
1. Mohammed wrote as a third person to Allah
2. If Allah wrote the texts (as claimed by Muslims), then a lot of problems arise.

Thus, I asked the questions



Question :
1. Is this statement in Qur'an 2:62 of the Qur'an from Allah or Mohammed?
2. If the statement is from Allah, who is/are the THEIR LORD spoken of by Allah?
3. Is Allah codedly recognising that he isn't the Lord of the Jews, Christians and Sabians?

TenQ:

You are not getting it
1. I can't edit grammatical errors in the quran. In this verse alone there are a few
a. The Lord should have been LORDS
b. Their Lord should have been ME or US (as Allah likes to be plural)

2. Every translation agree as there isn't much difference in Arabic to English meaning of the verse.

There are two options
1. Mohammed wrote as a third person to Allah
2. If Allah wrote the texts (as claimed by Muslims), then a lot of problems arise.

Thus, I asked the questions



Question :
1. Is this statement in Qur'an 2:62 of the Qur'an from Allah or Mohammed?
2. If the statement is from Allah, who is/are the THEIR LORD spoken of by Allah?
3. Is Allah codedly recognising that he isn't the Lord of the Jews, Christians and Sabians?

Wasn’t genesis written as third person?

Maynmann:

Wasn’t genesis written as third person?

The Bible was never claimed by Jews or Christians as a DICTATION or LITERAL word of God?

Muslims claim that the Quran is the Literal Verbatim words of Allah and perfect up to the diacritical marks

TenQ:

The Bible was never claimed by Jews or Christians as a DICTATION or LITERAL word of God?

Muslims claim that the Quran is the Literal Verbatim words of Allah and perfect up to the diacritical marks

The jews claim their books tanakh the one christians call Old Testament as a dictation and literal word of their god, moses went to receive the commandments from who?

Abeg no dey mention me in these your subtle expression of lunacy!
It reeks of ignorance and arrogance as usual!

TenQ:
This will be short.
In the past, we have looked at the preceeding verse and asked the question :
Why would the Sabians be permitted in paradise as they worship the constellations (stars, moon and other heavenly bodies)

The Sabians mentioned in the Qur'an are composed of people who were believers (monotheists) and non-believers (polytheists) just like the Christians and Jews!

It is actually the Magians (aka wise men) that came to "worship" Jesus that are idol worshippers! Jesus in the Bible must be Ahura Mazda!

The emphasis of today is different.

Too much bragging!

Allah in the Qur'an spoke of the Lord of the Jews, the Lord of the Christians, the Lord of the Sabians and the Lord of whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, as going to have their reward presumably in paradise.

Qur'an 2.62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

Four categories here o and Islam is not even mentioned. But not to be sidetracked, Islam could be among the fourth category because they are the only group here who fear Allah.

Your theatrics is phenomenal but you can only trick the gullible!

Four Categories namely : Muhmin (believers aka Muslims), Christians, Jews and Sabians!

All of the categories mentioned have those who fear Allah among them! And not to confuse the Christians and Jews mentioned with the present day Christians.

My point of emphasis is the phrase highlighted in yellow "they shall have their reward from THEIR LORD."

Since the Qur'an is very precise and unambiguous as it is the very words of Allah, it should have been
"they shall have their reward from US " if Allah meant otherwise.

Thank you

So na to dictate how Allah should grammatically arrange the revelation remains now?
Arabic is diverse grammatically and the Qur'an has been a religious source for Arabic grammar!

Question :
1. Is this statement in Qur'an 2:62 of the Qur'an from Allah or Mohammed?

Every word in the Qur'an is from Allah!

2. If the statement is from Allah, who is/are the THEIR LORD spoken of by Allah?

Allah is their Lord! The Lord of the Believers, the Jews, Christians and Sabians! The Lord of all that exists! Many groups were mentioned so what else is the appropriate pronoun to be used?

3. Is Allah codedly recognising that he isn't the Lord of the Jews, Christians and Sabians?

Pick up Brighter Grammar Book 1-5, it will really help you in understanding English Grammar!

Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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The Sabians are mentioned in three places in the Quran. The first is the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians [wa’l-sabi-in ], whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [al-Baqarah 2:62]

The second is the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, those who believe (in Allah and in His Messenger Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and the Sabians [wa’l-sabi-in], and the Christians, and the Majus, and those who worship others besides Allah; truly, Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Verily, Allah is over all things a Witness.” [al-Hajj 22:17]

And the third is the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Surely, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah, in His Messenger Muhammad and all that was revealed to him from Allah), and those who are the Jews and the Sabians [wa’l-sabiun] and the Christians, — whosoever believed in Allah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [al-Maidah 5:69]

From the three above we can see that Allah is their (Muslims, Jews, Christians and Sabians) Lord!

So whoever believes in Allah and the last and worked righteousness according to what Allah has commanded will be saved!

Maynmann:

The jews claim their books tanakh the one christians call Old Testament as a dictation and literal word of their god, moses went to receive the commandments from who?

No sir!
The Jews NEVER ever claimed that the Tanakh is a DICTATION or LITERAL words of God.

The Tanakh was written in First person, Second person and Third person perspective from the first words of Genesis

TenQ:

No sir!
The Jews NEVER ever claimed that the Tanakh is a DICTATION or LITERAL words of God.

The Tanakh was written in First person, Second person and Third person perspective from the first words of Genesis

Yes the jews claim their tanakh is gotten from their god, yahweh, the commandent is gotten from yahweh.

Tanakh means all of Old Testament, i am talking about genesis that is written in third person, not to forget that all the books are gotten from different sources with Unknown authors.

Maynmann:

Yes the jews claim their tanakh is gotten from their god, yahweh, the commandent is gotten from yahweh.

Tanakh means all of Old Testament, i am talking about genesis that is written in third person, not to forget that all the books are gotten from different sources with Unknown authors.

He doesn't know Grammar and will keep bragging on the knowledge he lacks!

Allah is the Lord of those who believe!
Allah is the Lord of those the Christians!
Allah is the Lord of those the Jews!
Allah is the Lord of those the Sabians!

So does this mean Allah is four so it should be 4 Lords when Allah already said He is one?

TenQ:

This is Qur'an written in English by Muslims.
This translation is according to Shakir if you like to know.

Here is the Arabic if you can translate

Original Book
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

Here is another translation if you are in doubt

Literal Qur'an
That those who believed and those who repented/guided/Jews , and the Christians and the Sabians/converts , who believed with God and the Day the Last/Resurrection Day, and made/did correct/righteous deeds, so for them their reward (is) at their lord, and no fear/fright on them, and nor they be sad/grieving.

"their" in ...their Lord ....

"Their is a Possessive determiner/adjective and is used to describe ownership or possession
1.belonging to or associated with the people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.

So in Grammar "their" modifies the word "Lord" making it attributable to all those mentioned earlier!

Lastly, i once encouraged your to read more about Point of view (POV), a literary device in which the writer can write in first person, second person or third person.

Stop my mentions when bragging in ignorance while arrogant!

Maynmann:

Yes the jews claim their tanakh is gotten from their god, yahweh, the commandent is gotten from yahweh.

Tanakh means all of Old Testament, i am talking about genesis that is written in third person, not to forget that all the books are gotten from different sources with Unknown authors.

The only direct written word of God in the Tanakh is the 10 commandments.

Again,
The words of the Tanakh was written in First person, Second person and Third person perspective from the first words of Genesis

TenQ:

The only direct written word of God in the Tanakh is the 10 commandments.

Again,
The words of the Tanakh was written in First person, Second person and Third person perspective from the first words of Genesis

how do you know that is the only direct word?
Who was speaking to jonah inside the belly of the shark?
All the prophecies are from?

How do you we know it was “god that said to moses”?

TenQ:


Again,
The words of the Tanakh was written in First person, Second person and Third person perspective from the first words of Genesis

No, tanakh which means Old Testament to Christians were written by different authors at different times, Bible means collection of books, they were collected from different sources..

It is generally said that TORAH was written by moses.
Again, learn facts about your religion which is just one of the Abrahamaic religions.

Maynmann:

No, tanakh which means Old Testament to Christians were written by different authors at different times, Bible means collection of books, they were collected from different sources..

It is generally said that TORAH was written by moses.
Again, learn facts about your religion which is just one of the Abrahamaic religions.

Your ignorance in full glare!

What have I said here that is an error?

Again,
The words of the Tanakh was written in First person, Second person and Third person perspective from the first words of Genesis

TenQ:

Your ignorance in full glare!

What have I said here that is an error?

You are the ignorant one.

Do you think “genesis” is one single book written by a single author?


Which author knew what god told moses?

Maynmann:

how do you know that is the only direct word?
Who was speaking to jonah inside the belly of the shark?
All the prophecies are from?

How do you we know it was “god that said to moses”?

God wrote the tablets given to Moses, didn't He?

Exo 31:18: "And he gave to Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him on mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."

Exo 32:16: "And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven on the tables."

Exo 32:19: "And it came to pass, as soon as he came near to the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and broke them beneath the mount."



As if you you do not know what is meant by first person, Second person or third person writing.


In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth is not a first person view.

And Moses spoke to Pharaoh certainly is not a first person view.


It looks like you are tired. Go take a rest.

The Qur'an according to Muslims is purely a FIRST PERSON communication by Allah!

If you have issues with the Bible, raise your topic : birds of the same father!

TenQ:

God wrote the tablets given to Moses, didn't He?

Exo 31:18: "And he gave to Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him on mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."

Exo 32:16: "And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven on the tables."

Exo 32:19: "And it came to pass, as soon as he came near to the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and broke them beneath the mount."



As if you you do not know what is meant by first person, Second person or third person writing.


In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth is not a first person view.

And Moses spoke to Pharaoh certainly is not a first person view.


It looks like you are tired. God rest.

The Qur'an according to Muslims is purely a FIRST PERSON communication by Allah!

If you have issues with the Bible, raise your topic : birds of the same father!

As told in the book written by a third person, how did that person know?
All these verses you are mentioning, how did the third person know was it?

You think moses wrote the torah?

How did this third person know what god told moses.

“In the beginning” is same as “once upon a time”
You will be tutored here.

Maynmann:

As told in the book written by a third person, how did that person know?
All these verses you are mentioning, how did the third person know was it?

You think moses wrote the torah?

How did this third person know what god told moses.

“In the beginning” is same as “once upon a time”
You will be tutored here.

The question is not how the person who wrote knew but the fact that the Bible is Not dictated by God unlike the Quran.

Hence, if God makes ANY error it is Not understandable

TenQ:

The question is not how the person who wrote knew but the fact that the Bible is Not dictated by God unlike the Quran.

Hence, if God makes ANY error it is Not understandable

The tanakh is written in different times by different authors.
There are verses where your god was dictating his triumph, he was dictating prophecy, he was dictating to the authors.

Again, elohim means same thing with Allah.

Maynmann:


The tanakh is written in different times by different authors.
There are verses where your god was dictating his triumph, he was dictating prophecy, he was dictating to the authors.

Again, elohim means same thing with Allah.

No one disputes that the Tanakh was written by several authors at different times. The Bible was written by Human beings.

The Qur'an was dictated and written Verbatim by no other than Allah himself. We thus expect some level of perfection

TenQ:

No one disputes that the Tanakh was written by several authors at different times. The Bible was written by Human beings.

The Qur'an was dictated and written Verbatim by no other than Allah himself. We thus expect some level of perfection

Well in some instances the authors claimed yahweh was dictating to them..
You should understand that christianity, judaism and islam are all abrahamaic religions.

They get their books from the same source.

TenQ:
This will be short.
In the past, we have looked at the preceeding verse and asked the question :
Why would the Sabians be permitted in paradise as they worship the constellations (stars, moon and other heavenly bodies)

The emphasis of today is different.

Allah in the Qur'an spoke of the Lord of the Jews, the Lord of the Christians, the Lord of the Sabians and the Lord of whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, as going to have their reward presumably in paradise.

Qur'an 2.62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

Four categories here o and Islam is not even mentioned. But not to be sidetracked, Islam could be among the fourth category because they are the only group here who fear Allah.

My point of emphasis is the phrase highlighted in yellow "they shall have their reward from THEIR LORD."

Since the Qur'an is very precise and unambiguous as it is the very words of Allah, it should have been
"they shall have their reward from US " if Allah meant otherwise.

Thank you

Question :
1. Is this statement in Qur'an 2:62 of the Qur'an from Allah or Mohammed?
2. If the statement is from Allah, who is/are the THEIR LORD spoken of by Allah?
3. Is Allah codedly recognising that he isn't the Lord of the Jews, Christians and Sabians?


Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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Hope you have accepted the foolery of your bigotry in christianization of the Q2:62 as Antichristian pointed. Please, show us more of your ignoramus by explaining Q22: 17 and Q5:69 to corroborate your convinction on QUR'AN 2:62.