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NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by rottennaija(m): 11:58am On Jul 25, 2023
Biggest Lie in Geopolitics

In 1990, globalists had their biggest victory — dissolution of USSR. But there was 1 problem:

Russia’s concerns about security, especially NATO.

So, every Western leader assured Gorbachev: “NATO will not expand; not even ONE INCH eastward.”

Here’s a list of all the promises made to Russian leadership in 1990 re: NATO expansion:

🔹Chancellor Kohl told Gorbachev, “We believe that NATO should not expand the sphere of its activity.”

🔹US Sec. of State, Jim Baker: “NATO expansion is unacceptable.”

🔹Baker also wrote in three different letters to Gorbachev: “NATO will not expand. Not one inch eastward.”

🔹German foreign minister Genscher: “NATO should rule out an expansion of its territory towards the east, i.e., moving it closer to Soviet borders.”

🔹British Prime Minister John Major: “Nothing of the sort will happen,” referring to NATO inclusion of East European countries.

🔹NATO Secretary General Manfred Woerner: “NATO Council and I are against the expansion of NATO.”

🔹US President Bush: “We have no intention, even in our thoughts, to harm the Soviet Union in any fashion. That is why we are speaking in favor of German unification in NATO.”

Then, what happened? Just six years later, Bill Clinton announced the expansion of NATO!

Since then, NATO has added whopping 16 countries (Sweden included).

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Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by rottennaija(m): 11:59am On Jul 25, 2023
Russia negotiate in good faith but have been lied to over and over, from NATO expansion to Minsk to arms control.
At the end of the Ukraine conflict, how can Russia believe what the West will sign? This is going to make Russia guarantee its own safety with facts on the ground.

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Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by rottennaija(m): 12:01pm On Jul 25, 2023
Gorbachev with his Perestroika and glasnost,though well meaning at its inception,was duped by the west who had the intention of breaking up Soviet Union.

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Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by rottennaija(m): 2:31pm On Jul 25, 2023
China<->USSR == India<->China?

A popular talking point in India: “Hey, China allied with USA during the Cold War and came out as the winner. Now, India can do the same — ally with the U.S. against China!💪🏻”

Two problems with this reasoning:

1. China never trusted the US or its system.

2. It’s quite likely that USA would implode like the USSR

Let’s dive into #1:

To give a crude analogy, China went on many dates with the U.S. but never went to bed.

Although Nixon went to China in 1972, the normalization of relations took 6+ more years. And China opened up little by little with special economic zones etc.

That’s why the CIA tried a color revolution in 1989 (Tiananmen protests).

For 50 years, China stuck to its unique political and economic systems.

Compare that to India, where US corporations rule Indian economy, technology, media, and politics.

The #1 English TV channel in India is… CNN! 🤮

It’s a joke to compare Indian and Chinese relations to the US.

Now, #2:

Everything about the U.S. is shaky and dubious —

🔹Exploding debt
🔹Polarization and political chaos
🔹Inequality, poverty, homelessness, drug addiction
🔹Crumbling infrastructure, dying towns, terrible education etc.
🔹Endless wars and losing every war
🔹Military unable to even manufacture weapons and ammunition. Worse, the famed US missiles and fighter jets cannot be made without Chinese goods!
🔹Unhealthy people - physically and mentally - is a sign of predatory system
🔹Revolt of the developing nations against U.S. empire and dollar hegemony

China has many economic problems too but they can solve it because the government can take tough decisions and people will rally and support. There’s a huge trust factor.

Bottom line: It may be a better bet for India to join China and bet against the US!

Yeah, that’s very hard to digest, but from a game theory point of view, that’s a wiser option.

A third point is India’s reliance on China.

After all, China is the #1 or #2 trade partner for India.

Several crucial Indian sectors like pharmaceuticals, smartphones, computers, electronics, automobiles, solar power, electric vehicles etc. depend on Chinese goods and companies.

The devastation of India’s economy without trade with China is not fully appreciated by many.

China didn’t have such dependency on the USSR.

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Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by Kingsnairaland(m): 4:26pm On Jul 25, 2023
rottennaija:
Biggest Lie in Geopolitics

In 1990, globalists had their biggest victory — dissolution of USSR. But there was 1 problem:

Russia’s concerns about security, especially NATO.

So, every Western leader assured Gorbachev: “NATO will not expand; not even ONE INCH eastward.”

Here’s a list of all the promises made to Russian leadership in 1990 re: NATO expansion:

🔹Chancellor Kohl told Gorbachev, “We believe that NATO should not expand the sphere of its activity.”

🔹US Sec. of State, Jim Baker: “NATO expansion is unacceptable.”

🔹Baker also wrote in three different letters to Gorbachev: “NATO will not expand. Not one inch eastward.”

🔹German foreign minister Genscher: “NATO should rule out an expansion of its territory towards the east, i.e., moving it closer to Soviet borders.”

🔹British Prime Minister John Major: “Nothing of the sort will happen,” referring to NATO inclusion of East European countries.

🔹NATO Secretary General Manfred Woerner: “NATO Council and I are against the expansion of NATO.”

🔹US President Bush: “We have no intention, even in our thoughts, to harm the Soviet Union in any fashion. That is why we are speaking in favor of German unification in NATO.”

Then, what happened? Just six years later, Bill Clinton announced the expansion of NATO!

Since then, NATO has added whopping 16 countries (Sweden included).

Russia left soviet union USA did not dissolve it

You actually don't need to be in a cult when you have nukes it have been proven in Ukraine war

Even if Russia hit nato nato won't invade Russia it will only use this sending weapons as it defense

If both wants to die mutually let them use nuke.
Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by Tiopii: 7:51pm On Jul 25, 2023
Kingsnairaland:


Russia left soviet union USA did not dissolve it

You actually don't need to be in a cult when you have nukes it have been proven in Ukraine war

Even if Russia hit nato nato won't invade Russia it will only use this sending weapons as it defense

If both wants to die mutually let them use nuke.

Russia left the USSR? why do you like to lie so much boss?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.

Putin went to war cos of NATO and except you think Putin is stupid for being skeptical of NATO.

NATO doesn't need nukes against Russia, it is Russia that needs nukes against NATO, that's why Putin uses the Nuclear rhetorics all the time.

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Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by hodari: 11:33pm On Jul 25, 2023
NATO = North Atlantic Terrorist Organisation

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Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by pansophist(m): 11:56pm On Jul 25, 2023
One thing I love about truth is that you can be instantly powerful just by saying it.

Your father could be an almajiri, your mother a hawker, and your lineage struck with poverty, but just speaking the truth makes you so powerful, even the wealthiest man and people in positions of power will tremble at your words.

Nelson Mandela was not wealthy, but because he stood on truth, he brought down the apartheid government. Martin Luther King did the same thing, poor but sharp with words, and the US government couldn't break him with all its might.

Or should I mention Mohammed Ali, or Malcolm X, the lists are just too much?

Just with the multi-billion dollars spent on propaganda, to brainwash the world that Russia is evil and the West is an angel, just fall flat in the face of truth that cost nothing.

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Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by EKONGKING: 11:59pm On Jul 25, 2023
rottennaija:
China<->USSR == India<->China?

A popular talking point in India: “Hey, China allied with USA during the Cold War and came out as the winner. Now, India can do the same — ally with the U.S. against China!💪🏻”

Two problems with this reasoning:

1. China never trusted the US or its system.

2. It’s quite likely that USA would implode like the USSR

Let’s dive into #1:

To give a crude analogy, China went on many dates with the U.S. but never went to bed.

Although Nixon went to China in 1972, the normalization of relations took 6+ more years. And China opened up little by little with special economic zones etc.

That’s why the CIA tried a color revolution in 1989 (Tiananmen protests).

For 50 years, China stuck to its unique political and economic systems.

Compare that to India, where US corporations rule Indian economy, technology, media, and politics.

The #1 English TV channel in India is… CNN! 🤮

It’s a joke to compare Indian and Chinese relations to the US.

Now, #2:

Everything about the U.S. is shaky and dubious —

🔹Exploding debt
🔹Polarization and political chaos
🔹Inequality, poverty, homelessness, drug addiction
🔹Crumbling infrastructure, dying towns, terrible education etc.
🔹Endless wars and losing every war
🔹Military unable to even manufacture weapons and ammunition. Worse, the famed US missiles and fighter jets cannot be made without Chinese goods!
🔹Unhealthy people - physically and mentally - is a sign of predatory system
🔹Revolt of the developing nations against U.S. empire and dollar hegemony

China has many economic problems too but they can solve it because the government can take tough decisions and people will rally and support. There’s a huge trust factor.

Bottom line: It may be a better bet for India to join China and bet against the US!

Yeah, that’s very hard to digest, but from a game theory point of view, that’s a wiser option.

A third point is India’s reliance on China.

After all, China is the #1 or #2 trade partner for India.

Several crucial Indian sectors like pharmaceuticals, smartphones, computers, electronics, automobiles, solar power, electric vehicles etc. depend on Chinese goods and companies.

The devastation of India’s economy without trade with China is not fully appreciated by many.

China didn’t have such dependency on the USSR.


Bro, Iam based in India for past 15 years in Tech field .
The most popular English news media is Republic Tv and Times now ,which have a hardcore nationalistic agenda and they dont like China as well as USA .

Indians don't like Chinese as the after effects of China -Indian war of 1962 ,which India lost .
They banned Tick tock ,Recently they rejected BYD EV manufacturing Plant and there is whole lot of restrictions on Chinese companies operating in India .
.
China and India relations is the most tricky part . If both parties come to a understanding ,USA will fear .

If they set aside their differences ,BRICS will go boom .

Majority of Indians love Russia and Putin . Just go through any You tube or Telegram Channel post , Indians will be always be there to support Russia

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Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by rottennaija(m): 8:43am On Jul 26, 2023
EKONGKING:



Bro, Iam based in India for past 15 years in Tech field .
The most popular English news media is Republic Tv and Times now ,which have a hardcore nationalistic agenda and they dont like China as well as USA .

Indians don't like Chinese as the after effects of China -Indian war of 1962 ,which India lost .
They banned Tick tock ,Recently they rejected BYD EV manufacturing Plant and there is whole lot of restrictions on Chinese companies operating in India .
.
China and India relations is the most tricky part . If both parties come to a understanding ,USA will fear .

If they set aside their differences ,BRICS will go boom .

Majority of Indians love Russia and Putin . Just go through any You tube or Telegram Channel post , Indians will be always be there to support Russia




I agree. India should try to work more with China than US. US is only going to use them and then dumb them.
Re: NATO Expansion: Biggest Lie In Geopolitics by rottennaija(m): 9:18am On Aug 03, 2023
Thomas Friedman's 1998 George Kennan interview on NATO expansion:

"I think it is the beginning of a new cold war. I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies.

I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever.

No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves.

Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then (the NATO expanders) will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are — but this is just wrong.

This has been my life, and it pains me to see it so screwed up in the end."

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