Ohyoudidnt:
Focus please. The Quran was revealed in Arabic, still widely read in arabic and it's verses still used for prayer in Arabic

Who told you this?

The same people who have given you fabricated hadiths!?

Ohyoudidnt:
Who brought sex into this discussion? What has sex got to do with Paul and Barnabas meeting the 12 disciples of Jesus?

Do we now see who is obsessed with sex?
Is there any specific claim of intercourse in Paradise from Islamic script or your pervert inferences?

See how feeble you are reducing eternity to a national pledge and anthem. How do they affect my eternity? Oh you find another human political and material thing to argue about? Get a life!

Again this thread is about Re: This Mosque In Abu Dhabi, UAE Will Shock You.

Okay at least answer this

Jesus said in paradise,
no one will marry wives :
Mohammed says the contrary that
Muslims will have multiple wives

Who should know about paradise better, Jesus or Mohammed on this case and why is the contradiction.


Is this also fake hadith that Muslims will have wives in paradise?

What is this marriage in paradise about? Is it having children?

Ohyoudidnt:
At the barest minimum Islam and Muslim are in the Quran revealed through Muhammad.
Muslims say we follow the religion of Abraham which is Hanif. See Q2:135
Hanif is a pure monotheistic belief.

I know your intent Q2:120 and need not your approval.

Jesus whom you follow never said Christian or Christianity while he was alive. Funny Christ comes from the Greek word Christos.
Paul first used this innit.

Again! This thread is:

Re: This Mosque In Abu Dhabi, UAE Will Shock You.

You know the difference between Christians and Muslims?

It is about the truth:
Christians never said Jesus gave the name "Christianity" to any religion. We even tell you that Jesus didn't come to establish a religion: He came to establish a relationship between US and the Father so that we can also be called children of God. We never told you that the Bible was dictated by God or any Angel: the bible books were written by Men.

Unfortunately, for you Muslims: the spirit of Satan made you tell so many lies that without the lies, Islam crumbles.

Adam is a Muslim, Abraham is a Muslim even Jesus and Mary were Muslims: can you see your lies?
When we show you your own hadiths, you reject it: why?
Because of lies! The Quran is the exact words of Allah only for us to begin to see senseless things which you defend senselessly!

The mosques name was written in English because of the target audience for the purpose of Taqiyya. That Christians would lose their guard and think you love us , when Allah expressly gave you command not to make friends with Jews and Christians

Oh! Jesus didn't triumph over Satan or don't Christians say Jesus, the Son of God, displayed His divine power and authority when He triumphed over Satan, ultimately defeating him?
It seems he didn't triumph after all?

Why will Christians accept a name their lord didn't name them?
Oh a means to dine and rule with the powers that be in Rome and escape persecution?

Doesn't your Jesus have authority over all?

Our own hadiths written by the enemies of Islam which include you?


ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَۚ لَيَجۡمَعَنَّكُمۡ إِلَىٰ يَوۡمِ ٱلۡقِيَٰمَةِ لَا رَيۡبَ فِيهِۗ وَمَنۡ أَصۡدَقُ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ حَدِيثٗا
Allaahu laaa ilaaha illaa huwa la yajma’annakum ilaa Yawmil Qiyaamati laa raiba feeh; wa man asdaqu min allaahi hadeesaa

Allah – there is no deity except Him. He will surely assemble you for [account on] the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt. And who is more truthful than Allah in statement

You call muslims friend, have I called you friend?

Muslims love the righteous!

TenQ:

You know the difference between Christians and Muslims?

It is about the truth:
Christians never said Jesus gave the name "Christianity" to any religion. We even tell you that Jesus didn't come to establish a religion: He came to establish a relationship between US and the Father so that we can also be called children of God. We never told you that the Bible was dictated by God or any Angel: the bible books were written by Men.

Unfortunately, for you Muslims: the spirit of Satan made you tell so many lies that without the lies, Islam crumbles.

Adam is a Muslim, Abraham is a Muslim even Jesus and Mary were Muslims: can you see your lies?
When we show you your own hadiths, you reject it: why?
Because of lies! The Quran is the exact words of Allah only for us to begin to see senseless things which you defend senselessly!

The mosques name was written in English because of the target audience for the purpose of Taqiyya. That Christians would lose their guard and think you love us , when Allah expressly gave you command not to make friends with Jews and Christians

honesttalk21:
Oh! Jesus didn't triumph over Satan or don't Christians say Jesus, the Son of God, displayed His divine power and authority when He triumphed over Satan, ultimately defeating him?
It seems he didn't triumph after all?

Can you explain how?

honesttalk21:

Why will Christians accept a name their lord didn't name them?

Because not one single prophet of God gave a name for their Religion.
What was the name Moses or Abraham or Isaac or David gave to their religion?

The only aberration is Mohammed!

honesttalk21:

Oh a means to dine and rule with the powers that be in Rome and escape persecution?

Doesn't your Jesus have authority over all?

Quran 3.49
And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead , by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;

It seems you don't even know your Quran.

honesttalk21:

Our own hadiths written by the enemies of Islam which include you?

ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَۚ لَيَجۡمَعَنَّكُمۡ إِلَىٰ يَوۡمِ ٱلۡقِيَٰمَةِ لَا رَيۡبَ فِيهِۗ وَمَنۡ أَصۡدَقُ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ حَدِيثٗا
Allaahu laaa ilaaha illaa huwa la yajma’annakum ilaa Yawmil Qiyaamati laa raiba feeh; wa man asdaqu min allaahi hadeesaa

Allah – there is no deity except Him. He will surely assemble you for [account on] the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt. And who is more truthful than Allah in statement

You call muslims friend, have I called you friend?

Muslims love the righteous!

See how you discard every saying of your prophet just because you need to be seen as winning an argument. Mohammed in his grave would be disappointed in you.

Can you name the Christians who wrote hadiths for Imam Muslim and and Al-Bukhari et all AND despite rejecting 99% of the hadiths given to them, Christians were still able to give the 99% of their collected hadiths!?

How does this lie sound in your ears?

Jesus never gave the name Christianity.
Jesus didn't come to start a new religion. He came to fulfill the promises of the Old Testament and to bring salvation to all people.
Jesus says he came to fulfill the promises of the Old Testament and to bring salvation to all people.
Judaism is said to be one of the world’s oldest religions, dating back nearly 4,000 years, and is considered to be the original Abrahamic faith.
Judaism (Hebrew: יַהֲדוּת ‎ Yahăḏūṯ) is an Abrahamic, monotheistic, and ethnic religion comprising the collective religious, cultural, and legal tradition and civilization of the Jewish people. It has its roots as an organized religion in the Middle East during the Bronze Age. Modern Judaism evolved from Yahwism, the religion of ancient Israel and Judah, by the late 6th century BC.

The question then is if Jesus didn't bring a new religion and was upholding the religion of old i.e Judaism how come the change to Christianity?

Are you saying your Bible is not from God? If that's the case it makes perfect sense that it has issues much like the Hadith which are also written by man and subject to man's many imperfections.

You know Shia muslim don't accept Sunni hadith and vice versa?

Your problem stems from your rigidity about what muslim means. Do you also say Hausa or Arabic speaking Christians are wrong to call God Allah because it is arabic and related to muslims and Islam?

The subject of this thread is simply because
مسجد مريم أم عيسى عليهما السلام, Masjid Maryam Umm ‘Īsā translated and also written Mary, Mother of Jesus Mosque.
Such change was done as an initiative exemplifying the values of co-existence among religions in the UAE, as well as to honour Mary, Mother of Jesus who is a respected figure in Islam. And you get hypersensitive about it? You forget Abu Dhabi is a prominent tourist and trade centre accomodating different people of the world alongside its rich hydrocarbon industry.
What a pity!

TenQ:

You know the difference between Christians and Muslims?

It is about the truth:
Christians never said Jesus gave the name "Christianity" to any religion. We even tell you that Jesus didn't come to establish a religion: He came to establish a relationship between US and the Father so that we can also be called children of God. We never told you that the Bible was dictated by God or any Angel: the bible books were written by Men.

Unfortunately, for you Muslims: the spirit of Satan made you tell so many lies that without the lies, Islam crumbles.

Adam is a Muslim, Abraham is a Muslim even Jesus and Mary were Muslims: can you see your lies?
When we show you your own hadiths, you reject it: why?
Because of lies! The Quran is the exact words of Allah only for us to begin to see senseless things which you defend senselessly!

The mosques name was written in English because of the target audience for the purpose of Taqiyya. That Christians would lose their guard and think you love us , when Allah expressly gave you command not to make friends with Jews and Christians

Ohyoudidnt:
Jesus never gave the name Christianity.
Jesus didn't come to start a new religion. He came to fulfill the promises of the Old Testament and to bring salvation to all people.
Jesus says he came to fulfill the promises of the Old Testament and to bring salvation to all people.
Judaism is said to be one of the world’s oldest religions, dating back nearly 4,000 years, and is considered to be the original Abrahamic faith.
Judaism (Hebrew: יַהֲדוּת ‎ Yahăḏūṯ) is an Abrahamic, monotheistic, and ethnic religion comprising the collective religious, cultural, and legal tradition and civilization of the Jewish people. It has its roots as an organized religion in the Middle East during the Bronze Age. Modern Judaism evolved from Yahwism, the religion of ancient Israel and Judah, by the late 6th century BC.

The question then is if Jesus didn't bring a new religion and was upholding the religion of old i.e Judaism how come the change to Christianity?

You keep on repeating what Christians claimed as if it is your discovery.
Jesus did NOT come to establish any religion : He came to establish a RELATIONSHIP that we mortal men can become SONS of GOD.

Check Carefully, JUDAISM wasn't a name given by either God or Moses . It was coined by people as the Religion of the people of Judah (one of the 12 sons of Jacob).

Why?
God is NOT interested in Religious Names: God is interested in the relationship you have with Him.

Tell me one single Religion name of the Religion from any of the prophets of God you know?

So, you can see how Islam is an invention of a man (Mohammed).

Ohyoudidnt:

Are you saying your Bible is not from God? If that's the case it makes perfect sense that it has issues much like the Hadith which are also written by man and subject to man's many imperfections.

You know Shia muslim don't accept Sunni hadith and vice versa?

Your problem stems from your rigidity about what muslim means. Do you also say Hausa or Arabic speaking Christians are wrong to call God Allah because it is arabic and related to muslims and Islam?

The subject of this thread is simply because
مسجد مريم أم عيسى عليهما السلام, Masjid Maryam Umm ‘Īsā translated and also written Mary, Mother of Jesus Mosque.
Such change was done as an initiative exemplifying the values of co-existence among religions in the UAE, as well as to honour Mary, Mother of Jesus who is a respected figure in Islam. And you get hypersensitive about it? You forget Abu Dhabi is a prominent tourist and trade centre accomodating different people of the world alongside its rich hydrocarbon industry.
What a pity!

Sorry sir.

Are you aware that neither Judaism nor Christianity claim that God dictated their scriptures?

Qur'an is the only exception because it is made by a man (Mohammed) feigning to be God.

Unfortunately, this claim of Islam about the Qur'an prove that it cannot be from God because of silly mistakes, historical errors, Scientific errors and meaningless phrases which Muslims do not know the meaning.

Allah by the Arab Christians is just a title equivalent to Deity/God in English language.
The name or Identity of the Name of the Allah /Deity/God of the Arab Christians is Yahweh!

Just as the Allah/Deity/God of the Hindu is Brahman

Is it UNTRUE that Allah of you Muslims is a Name/Identity of your Deity/God and not a title!?

Does this mean that the Just as the Allah/Deity/God of the Hindu is Brahman of the Hindus (who speaks Arabic) is the Allah of the Muslims? No sir!

Same way, since you don't know Yahweh (the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Judaism and Christianity), we don't worship nor serve the same Allah/Deity/God.

Do you Muslims worship Yahweh (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) ?
Is Yahweh one of the 99 names of Allah?

Sunni vs Shia
The fight between you Sunni and the Shia is as foundational as the birth of Islam. I don't use the hadiths of the Shia for you: I only use hadiths the Sunni Muslims believe in (and this you've even rubbished as 99% fake) even though you can't preach in the mosque without these same hadiths. Is your argument that hadiths by Shia Muslims are more accurate than Sunni Muslims?

As per your mosque :
You are free to give it any name you want as Muslims are permitted to use Taqqiya to convert the Gullibles to Islam. Even if you like, call your mosque by the name The Mosque of Jesus Christ it doesn't change anything (Isn't Jesus a prophet of Islam? : same argument! )

TenQ:

You keep on repeating what Christians claimed as if it is your discovery.
Jesus did NOT come to establish any religion : He came to establish a RELATIONSHIP that we mortal men can become SONS of GOD.

Check Carefully, JUDAISM wasn't a name given by either God or Moses . It was coined by people as the Religion of the people of Judah (one of the 12 sons of Jacob).

Why?
God is NOT interested in Religious Names: God is interested in the relationship you have with Him.

Tell me one single Religion name of the Religion from any of the prophets of God you know?

So, you can see how Islam is an invention of a man (Mohammed).


Sorry sir.

Are you aware that neither Judaism nor Christianity claim that God dictated their scriptures?

Qur'an is the only exception because it is made by a man (Mohammed) feigning to be God.

Unfortunately, this claim of Islam about the Qur'an prove that it cannot be from God because of silly mistakes, historical errors, Scientific errors and meaningless phrases which Muslims do not know the meaning.

Allah by the Arab Christians is just a title equivalent to Deity/God in English language.
The name or Identity of the Name of the Allah /Deity/God of the Arab Christians is Yahweh!

Just as the Allah/Deity/God of the Hindu is Brahman

Is it UNTRUE that Allah of you Muslims is a Name/Identity of your Deity/God and not a title!?

Does this mean that the Just as the Allah/Deity/God of the Hindu is Brahman of the Hindus (who speaks Arabic) is the Allah of the Muslims? No sir!

Same way, since you don't know Yahweh (the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Judaism and Christianity), we don't worship nor serve the same Allah/Deity/God.

Do you Muslims worship Yahweh (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) ?
Is Yahweh one of the 99 names of Allah?

Sunni vs Shia
The fight between you Sunni and the Shia is as foundational as the birth of Islam. I don't use the hadiths of the Shia for you: I only use hadiths the Sunni Muslims believe in (and this you've even rubbished as 99% fake) even though you can't preach in the mosque without these same hadiths. Is your argument that hadiths by Shia Muslims are more accurate than Sunni Muslims?

As per your mosque :
You are free to give it any name you want as Muslims are permitted to use Taqqiya to convert the Gullibles to Islam. Even if you like, call your mosque by the name The Mosque of Jesus Christ it doesn't change anything (Isn't Jesus a prophet of Islam? : same argument! )

In summary your problem with Islam and Muslims is it's completeness having a named way of a life in it's primary book and name of it's followers.

Wow! Can you be satisfied that the creator is perceived and worshipped by his creation the way he wants and not always want to force your view on everyone else?

You are not and can never be everyone else. Be satisfied in being yourself and having your peculiarities.

Ohyoudidnt:


In summary your problem with Islam and Muslims is it's completeness having a named way of a life in it's primary book and name of it's followers.

Wow! Can you be satisfied that the creator is perceived and worshipped by his creation the way he wants and not always want to force your view on everyone else?

You are not and can never be everyone else. Be satisfied in being yourself and having your peculiarities.

Islam complete!?

What a joke!

You can't even guarantee that you are going to paradise (except you kill yourself in Jihad)

Islam is a poor attempt to clone both the Religion of the Jews and Christianity!

I am satisfied with being myself o. It is your Allah Who says that you shouldn't make friends with us Christians and Jews and not us.


Islam blinds you to the fact that
God does NOT need our Worship
Why do you think God need your worship?

Col 2:15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

Is just 1 of numerous verses stating a claim of Jesus defeating Satan.

According to the Bible, Jesus defeated Satan through his death and resurrection.
Here indeed is the contradiction and root of the problem.

Isn't the devil free and very active today?
Perharps because your Jesus is yet to triumph over a death from a cursed crucifixion on a stake or cross.

Perharps the prophets being sent for specific reasons to particular tribes had no right to say so. When the guidance was fully communicated the name of the practice and followers was given.

This does not make the people who had passed haven lived in compliance to a submission to monotheism unqualified.

It seems you now promote yourself to being God and you can never be. How do you know who differs from what God sent?

The verse you happily seem to quote specifically states messenger to the Children of Israel. Are we all from Israel?

Saying of Muhammad from chains of hearsay can very well not be what he says. What goes on in the social media and live human relations is proof of this.

It is a fact that just as you are an enemy to Islam so are many e.g the obvious attempt to wrongly translate Q9:31 we know too well that
Hadīth fabrication presented the most severe and unique challenge employed by enemies of Islam to assault the religion.

Don't get it wrong I don't hear text. I read.
This is not a case of LSD toxification where you see sound and hear color.

TenQ:

Can you explain how?



Because not one single prophet of God gave a name for their Religion.
What was the name Moses or Abraham or Isaac or David gave to their religion?

The only aberration is Mohammed!


Quran 3.49
And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead , by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;

It seems you don't even know your Quran.



See how you discard every saying of your prophet just because you need to be seen as winning an argument. Mohammed in his grave would be disappointed in you.

Can you name the Christians who wrote hadiths for Imam Muslim and and Al-Bukhari et all AND despite rejecting 99% of the hadiths given to them, Christians were still able to give the 99% of their collected hadiths!?

How does this lie sound in your ears?

honesttalk21:
Col 2:15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

Is just 1 of numerous verses stating a claim of Jesus defeating Satan.

According to the Bible, Jesus defeated Satan through his death and resurrection.
Here indeed is the contradiction and root of the problem.

Isn't the devil free and very active today?
Perharps because your Jesus is yet to triumph over a death from a cursed crucifixion on a stake or cross.

Perharps the prophets being sent for specific reasons to particular tribes had no right to say so. When the guidance was fully communicated the name of the practice and followers was given.

This does not make the people who had passed haven lived in compliance to a submission to monotheism unqualified.

It seems you now promote yourself to being God and you can never be. How do you know who differs from what God sent?

The verse you happily seem to quote specifically states messenger to the Children of Israel. Are we all from Israel?

Saying of Muhammad from chains of hearsay can very well not be what he says. What goes on in the social media and live human relations is proof of this.

It is a fact that just as you are an enemy to Islam so are many e.g the obvious attempt to wrongly translate Q9:31 we know too well that
Hadīth fabrication presented the most severe and unique challenge employed by enemies of Islam to assault the religion.

Don't get it wrong I don't hear text. I read.
This is not a case of LSD toxification where you see sound and hear color.

So, how do Christians explain this?

Mark 11:3
If anyone says to you, ‘Why are you doing this?’ you say, ‘The Lord has need of it’; and immediately he will send it back here.”

Luke 19:31
If anyone asks you, ‘Why are you untying it?’ you shall say, ‘The Lord has need of it.’”

Luke 19:34
They said, “The Lord has need of it.”

TenQ:

Islam complete!?

What a joke!

You can't even guarantee that you are going to paradise (except you kill yourself in Jihad)

Islam is a poor attempt to clone both the Religion of the Jews and Christianity!

I am satisfied with being myself o. It is your Allah Who says that you shouldn't make friends with us Christians and Jews and not us.


Islam blinds you to the fact that
God does NOT need our Worship
Why do you think God need your worship?