For some couple of years now, somethings have not been sitting right with me anymore concerning the practices of the modern day pentecostal church and it's practices. When I sit down in the gathering and I hear the pastor speak, I cringe.

I questioned myself many times , if truly we are on the right path as a people and if there are truly elects of God, it means they might be few and are protected by God from the common practices of today's church.


Most of these practices cannot be traced to the apostles or the early church believers. I discovered most of these practises sprang up not less than 150years ago even after several reformations.


Jesus spoke about the narrow path that leads to life, and there be few that find it , and broad is the way that leads to death and there be many that walk in it.

Many of such concerns that have haunted me as touching practices of our modern way of worship is as follows:

1. Numerous church denominations, characterised by their differences in doctrine due to personal interpretations of scriptures


2. Chanting the name of Jesus and the Holy ghost as a mantra many times In the similitude of occultic people .

3. [b]Name it claim it gospel i.e issuing command and decrees to God and angels and aslo word affirmations . Meanwhile Jesus taught his disciples how to approach God and pray to God as father In a humble manner

4. Random speaking In tongues which seem like a perversion. (Even I, still do this occasionally and subconsciously)

5. Perversion of God's word ; over emphasizing on things that cannot save us from our sins or bring us to the knowledge of the Son of God

6.Emphasis on the Use of other material medium to access God's power and blessings e.g oil, handkerchief, mantles, water, sand, fruits/herbs, monetary seed, honour than Faith in Jesus


7. Dancing and singing loudly in our sins like pagans, whereas it doesn't have any impact on salvation or the Kingdom Jesus brings . I feel it's deception as a result of adoption of paganism and the world system.

Most lyrical content lack description of The true Christ , rather it speaks of self and prosperity as God's true blessings other than Christ the true blessing which God promised Abraham.

8. Exaltation and deifying of men of God above others whereas It's the same Holy spirit God gave to all but different operations.

9. Emphasis on prosperity(physical wellness, financial abundance etc) as the essence of Christ's death on the cross, whereas Christ never promised to save us from any plague of this world but was rather sent to save us from Our sins so we can seek God's kingdom , after which other blessings shall follow .(Matthew 6:33-36)

In addition to this, many have become false Saviours and Christ's that are sent to liberate people from their poverty, marriage problems, sicknesses so they can live comfortably in this present world rather than hope for the coming of Christ and his government which shall restore all things and eliminate our present plague and tribulations in the new world.

I know for a Fact, this was the reason Jesus never healed all the sick and all the physically handicapped in israel. He never identified himsef with riches like most men of God do. Rather he said it was difficult for a rich man to enter Int God's kingdom and a man's life doesn't consist of the abundance of his possession.

But one thing I know for sure was he sought to save all men from their sins. And In his reign and government we shall all be perfect as he is.

if you're doubting and cannot see these errors in the body, you might have been marked for damnation because of your knowledge, lust and pride.

These are antics of the Anti-Christ. He is the one that shall claim to seek for the peace and prosperity of this present world . The anti Christ will present himself as a saviour to save many from the trials of this present age and many will accept him.

He will try to save you from your death through technological advancement, he will seek to alleviate poverty and sicknesses such that you won't need the true Christ to come.

That same spirit has infiltrated the church and adulterated the true gospel of salvation.

I'm not negating the place of deliverance and good living, but these are signs that authenticate the harbinger of Christ's salvation and not the center of the Gospel.


If there are truly Elects as scriptures says , they will almost be deceived but not for too long.

There is a strong delusion in the body , and many have heeded to seducing doctrines of devils and have departed from the faith by heaping up false teachers for themselves ,because they have itching ears to hear of a gospel that will enrich their body and soul.

May God save us all and open our eyes to the TRUTH which sets free.

Shalom!

Fault funding and excessively critical of the body

Wodu89:
Fault funding and excessively critical of the body

I see.

The needs prayers to succeed. Do that

Calls for concern..

Add also:

* Hypocrisy of supposed believers.

* Blasting incantations in the guise of speaking in tongues.

* Zero unity amongst people who got their faith from the same one book. Where I live, just down the street, there are two churches opposite each other..

correctguy101:


Calls for concern..

Add also:

* Hypocrisy of supposed believers.

* Blasting incantations in the guise of speaking in tongues.

* Zero unity amongst people who got their faith from the same one book. Where I live, just down the street, there are two churches opposite each other..

You can say that again . I'm scared for this generation. The gates of hell can never prevail against the true Church and the Elects of God.

I pray that people's eyes will begin to open, so they can see the glorious light of the gospel of Christ truly.

Do you care to know the IDENTIFYING MARK of true Christianity?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you care to know the IDENTIFYING MARK of true Christianity?

I'm not ignorant but your opinion is welcomed as long as it tallies with scriptures.

ErnestNc:

I'm not ignorant but your opinion is welcomed as long as it tallies with scriptures.

The highlighted is interesting.

So what is the FRUIT expected of Christianity?

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted is interesting.

So what is the FRUIT expected of Christianity?

First ask who is a Christian?

ANS: A follower and disciple of Christ!

The fruit of a Christian thus:


John 13:34-35 KJV
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

[35] By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

ErnestNc:


First ask who is a Christian?

ANS: A follower and disciple of Christ!

The fruit of a Christian thus:


John 13:34-35 KJV
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

[35] By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

So how do true Christians apply what Jesus said in the Bible book of John 13:34-35 in a practical sense today?

MaxInDHouse:


So how do true Christians apply what Jesus said in the Bible book of John 13:34-35 in a practical sense today?

Scriptures says Love one another, doesn't say how we should love. I won't twist scriptures on the basis of implied or perceived interpretations. There are so many ways to show and apply love.

This is how falsehood starts.

ErnestNc:

Scriptures says Love one another, doesn't say how we should love. I won't twist scriptures on the basis of implied or perceived interpretations. There are so many ways to show and apply love.
This is how falsehood starts.

Hmmmmmmm, you really tried but let me take it up from where you stopped.

The LOVE Christians should have among them starts from somewhere, first of all the predominant attribute of the one and only true God is LOVE {1John 4:8} that's why Jesus commanded his disciples to have LOVE for their enemies {Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-28} LOVE for neighbours {Mark 12:31} and LOVE among themselves! John 13:34-35

So how do Christians apply this quality in the practical sense?

God has foretold centuries before Jesus came to the earth that in the last days individuals from different geographical locations on this planet will come together and form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, they will use what is written in God's word to settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4

This is what Jesus came to establish as a group so if any religion can't meet up with this then they're FAKE and they can't produce the FRUIT expected of Christianity! Matthew 7:16-18

MaxInDHouse:


So how do true Christians apply what Jesus said in the Bible book of John 13:34-35 in a practical sense today?

John 13:34-35
[34]So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.
[35]Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.”

Can Christian brothers who are supposed to love their fellow Christian brothers according to Jesus commandment above join the military or engage in politics?

Here's a scenario;
Some Christian brothers in Ukraine joined the military, some Christian brothers in Russia also joined the military and they were all sent to the battlefield by their respective leaders.

What happens when they meet at the battlefield, they start killing one another base on the commands of mortal men right?
Haven't they gone against Jesus's commandments about loving one another by joining the military to kill one another?
Ponder on these questions.

This is one of the reasons why Jehovah witnesses are the only one practising true Christianity today. They will never engage in military service and politics.

None of the people in the early church, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Timothy, John and the rest participated in politics. They were neutral and only focus on spreading the good news about the kingdom of God as commissioned by Jesus Christ.

The early church and the Bible is the standard for true Christianity and only the Jehovah witnesses follow the standard completely today.

Jesus taught us from the Bible to stand out and not be part of this world presently ruled by Satan.

God bless
ErnestNc

cornelboy:

John 13:34-35
[34]So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.
[35]Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.”

Can Christian brothers who are supposed to love their fellow Christian brothers according to Jesus commandment above join the military or engage in politics?

Here's a scenario;
Some Christian brothers in Ukraine joined the military, some Christian brothers in Russia also joined the military and they were all sent to the battlefield by their respective leaders.

What happens when they meet at the battlefield, they start killing one another base on the commands of mortal men right?
Haven't they gone against Jesus's commandments about loving one another by joining the military to kill one another?
Ponder on these questions.

This is one of the reasons why Jehovah witnesses are the only one practising true Christianity today. They will never engage in military service and politics.

None of the people in the early church, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Timothy, John and the rest participated in politics. They were neutral and only focus on spreading the good news about the kingdom of God as commissioned by Jesus Christ.

The early church and the Bible is the standard for true Christianity and only the Jehovah witnesses follow the standard completely today.

Jesus taught us from the Bible to stand out and not be part of this world presently ruled by Satan.

God bless
ErnestNc

I love the modesty of JW people but some of their doctrines don't sit well . It appears mis-aligned.

Truly, a real Christian would not join the military . It's all an anti Christ Agenda to recruit men to become national assassins . God allowed Israel to have defenders and armies to protect the heritage of the Jews so Christ can come through them.

Now that Christ had come, He preached that we should turn the other cheek and not take a tooth for a tooth. But we want to save lives and protect them by killing another which negates the commandment of love for one another.

No matter how much we try to save our lives, it will be lost. Until the government of Christ comes , this world can't be salvaged or perfected.

ErnestNc:


I love the modesty of JW people but some of their doctrines don't sit well . It appears mis-aligned.

Truly, a real Christian would not join the military . It's all an anti Christ Agenda to recruit men to become national assassins . God allowed Israel to have defenders and armies to protect the heritage of the Jews so Christ can come through them.

Now that Christ had come, He preached that we should turn the other cheek and not take a tooth for a tooth. But we want to save lives and protect them by killing another which negates the commandment of love for one another.

No matter how much we try to save our lives, it will be lost. Until the government of Christ comes , this world can't be salvaged or perfected.

Which of the doctrines don't sit well with you?

ErnestNc:


I love the modesty of JW people but some of their doctrines don't sit well . It appears mis-aligned.

Truly, a real Christian would not join the military . It's all an anti Christ Agenda to recruit men to become national assassins . God allowed Israel to have defenders and armies to protect the heritage of the Jews so Christ can come through them.

Now that Christ had come, He preached that we should turn the other cheek and not take a tooth for a tooth. But we want to save lives and protect them by killing another which negates the commandment of love for one another.

No matter how much we try to save our lives, it will be lost. Until the government of Christ comes , this world can't be salvaged or perfected.

Chief, what is the primary aim of all military formations all over the world? Under whose care are these military formations?

Romans 131-5 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience


Based on the scriptures and areas in bold cited above in your post. Do you see it as a sin when those God's servant takes the life of people?

ErnestNc:


Scriptures says Love one another, doesn't say how we should love. I won't twist scriptures on the basis of implied or perceived interpretations. There are so many ways to show and apply love.

This is how falsehood starts.

Love this response and the fact that you avoided that regimented kind of thinking regarding application of love

For God so love the world . It is still his world abi?

ErnestNc:


I love the modesty of JW people but some of their doctrines don't sit well . It appears mis-aligned.

Truly, a real Christian would not join the military . It's all an anti Christ Agenda to recruit men to become national assassins . God allowed Israel to have defenders and armies to protect the heritage of the Jews so Christ can come through them.

Now that Christ had come, He preached that we should turn the other cheek and not take a tooth for a tooth. But we want to save lives and protect them by killing another which negates the commandment of love for one another.

No matter how much we try to save our lives, it will be lost. Until the government of Christ comes , this world can't be salvaged or perfected.

Do you see them(JWs) as being among the below captured in your opening words?.......

Most of these practices cannot be traced to the apostles or the early church believers. I discovered most of these practises sprang up not less than 150years ago even after several reformations.

achorladey:


Do you see them(JWs) as being among the below captured in your opening words?.......

They are not excluded . But I must commend their modesty and dedication of love towards their brethren and labour in regards to fellowship with one another from house to house.

achorladey:


Chief, what is the primary aim of all military formations all over the world? Under whose care are these military formations?

Romans 131-5 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience


Based on the scriptures and areas in bold cited above in your post. Do you see it as a sin when those God's servant takes the life of people?

Nice submission, but Whose testimony would you rather hold up? Christ's or Paul's? The highlighted verses of scriptures are true in that context, but in modern day reality we see military might being deployed on the basis of national conflict of interests , like the case of Russia and Ukraine; a sovereign nation trying to exert it's dominion and authority over it's subject .

The magnitude of chaos and destruction caused by the ego of one man all in a bid to declare sovereignty ... It's alarming and appalling to see that young men under the condemnation of sin and death are being deployed to be instruments of such mayhem and tragic loss of innocent lives.

For conscience sake ... It's better to be used as God's instrument of love other than an instrument of God's wrath of punishment.

Authorities are positioned to ensure order as purported , but if it would involve taking people's lives then I'd rather not be a part of it as it negates the commandment of love. Other forms of punishment is allowed as no one is above chastisement.

Paul would say thus:

1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

cornelboy:

Which of the doctrines don't sit well with you?

Most of JW's beliefs are from an implied or perceived interpretation and not directly as scripture says them.

One too many errors I find and they are thus,

1. Jesus is the arch angel Michael( no scripture indicated that directly, it was concoted and twisted )

2. Jesus isn't one with God , when John 1 clearly indicated that the word was God , the world was made by him and He was made flesh.

3. God doesn't speak to humans anymore (misinterpreting hebrews 1:1 to mean that God doesn't speak to us) . Whereas no scripture said that God doesn't speak to us . Jesus says " my sheep hears my voice and they obey. The voice of another they won't heed". This saying of Jesus aligns with the aforementioned text which says that God has spoken through his son .

In the early church there were several instances where the Holy ghost spoke to believers to embark on missions . JW would be quick to tag such believer as a spiritist . The scripture says "test all spirits" knowing that spirits would speak to us and through us but we must judge according to God's word and ways.


There are so many ..so many errors but I will stop here...

ErnestNc:

There are so many ..so many errors but I will stop here...

Perhaps you're the one missing the real deal! Jehovah's Witnesses's beliefs seems strange to you yet they use the Bible like their spiritual sword {Ephesians 6:17} they preach and teach zealously with industriousness just as Jesus Christ commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} they don't participate in politics {John 17:14} they don't have a part in military action {Matthew 26:52} they have real love for their fellow believers in all the earth {John 13:34-35} they love their neighbours and wish them well {Mark 12:31} they don't wish their persecutors any evil {Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-28} they're the most peaceful organization on this planet! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Perhaps you're the one misunderstanding the words of the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} because if you truly know Christ Jesus you should be with a group whose FAITH is really WORKING like Jehovah's Witnesses! James 2:18-26

May you have PEACE!

ErnestNc:


They are not excluded . But I must commend their modesty and dedication of love towards their brethren and labour in regards to fellowship with one another from house to house.

Good to bold. Our eyes sees what we want it to see. Modesty and dedication of people to their religious organization comes in various form and manner. No religious organization set up today that don't have members having commendable modesty and dedication.

ErnestNc:



Nice submission, but Whose testimony would you rather hold up? Christ's or Paul's? The highlighted verses of scriptures are true in that context, but in modern day reality we see military might being deployed on the basis of national conflict of interests , like the case of Russia and Ukraine; a sovereign nation trying to exert it's dominion and authority over it's subject .

The magnitude of chaos and destruction caused by the ego of one man all in a bid to declare sovereignty ... It's alarming and appalling to see that young men under the condemnation of sin and death are being deployed to be instruments of such mayhem and tragic loss of innocent lives.

For conscience sake ... It's better to be used as God's instrument of love other than an instrument of God's wrath of punishment.

Authorities are positioned to ensure order as purported , but if it would involve taking people's lives then I'd rather not be a part of it as it negates the commandment of love. Other forms of punishment is allowed as no one is above chastisement.

Paul would say thus:

1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Nice submission, but Whose testimony would you rather hold up? Christ's or Paul's? The highlighted verses of scriptures are true in that context, but in modern day reality we see military might being deployed on the basis of national conflict of interests , like the case of Russia and Ukraine; a sovereign nation trying to exert it's dominion and authority over it's subject

The reason I asked, military formations all over the world are for set up for what?

For conscience sake ... It's better to be used as God's instrument of love other than an instrument of God's wrath of punishment.

I don't want to see you as wanting to manipulate the scripture. They are called God's servant to do what? You have read in your Bible that it is the person that God loves he punishes. Correct? And you agree God knows better for giving them the sword.

Authorities are positioned to ensure order as purported , but if it would involve taking people's lives then I'd rather not be a part of it as it negates the commandment of love. Other forms of punishment is allowed as no one is above chastisement.

We need to stop chasing shadows. Jesus don't go about chasing shadows while on earth. He faced reality....

There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood pPilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way?No, I tell you; . Or those eighteen on whom the tower in sSiloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No I tell you.

That Romans 13 says they hold the sword. Chastisement too carry death penalty. That's reality.

Paul would say thus:

1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

As long as you put in mind the word lawful. Some things are lawful and edify. That people don't sign up for war or love to go to war means those going are unlawful. There is a reason the government carry the sword.

ErnestNc:


Most of JW's beliefs are from an implied or perceived interpretation and not directly as scripture says them.

One too many errors I find and they are thus,

1. Jesus is the arch angel Michael( no scripture indicated that directly, it was concoted and twisted )

2. Jesus isn't one with God , when John 1 clearly indicated that the word was God , the world was made by him and He was made flesh.

3. God doesn't speak to humans anymore (misinterpreting hebrews 1:1 to mean that God doesn't speak to us) . Whereas no scripture said that God doesn't speak to us . Jesus says " my sheep hears my voice and they obey. The voice of another they won't heed". This saying of Jesus aligns with the aforementioned text which says that God has spoken through his son .

In the early church there were several instances where the Holy ghost spoke to believers to embark on missions . JW would be quick to tag such believer as a spiritist . The scripture says "test all spirits" knowing that spirits would speak to us and through us but we must judge according to God's word and ways.


There are so many ..so many errors but I will stop here...

ErnestNc:


Most of JW's beliefs are from an implied or perceived interpretation and not directly as scripture says them.

One too many errors I find and they are thus,

1. Jesus is the arch angel Michael( no scripture indicated that directly, it was concoted and twisted )

2. Jesus isn't one with God , when John 1 clearly indicated that the word was God , the world was made by him and He was made flesh.

3. God doesn't speak to humans anymore (misinterpreting hebrews 1:1 to mean that God doesn't speak to us) . Whereas no scripture said that God doesn't speak to us . Jesus says " my sheep hears my voice and they obey. The voice of another they won't heed". This saying of Jesus aligns with the aforementioned text which says that God has spoken through his son .

In the early church there were several instances where the Holy ghost spoke to believers to embark on missions . JW would be quick to tag such believer as a spiritist . The scripture says "test all spirits" knowing that spirits would speak to us and through us but we must judge according to God's word and ways.
There are so many ..so many errors but I will stop here...

1. There's no where in the scripture that says Jesus is the archangel Michael like you said but there are clues that indicate that Micheal could be the one sent by God as the Messiah and God's son.
Nobody knows the identity of Jesus before he became human.
You can find one of the clues from these verses; John 5:28-29 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Compare these verses, they are too many similarities. For example both scriptures state that "the dead will rise or resurrect after they hear a voice? Whose voice? Jesus's voice of course!

Why would Jesus use the archangel's voice instead of his own voice?
Because they are the same person.

You can see another clue from the book of Revelations. Jesus led some important battles with host of angels under him just as Micheal led some battles too with hosts of angel under him.

2. No JW will tell you that Jesus Christ was not the one with God at John 1:1

3. The way the holy spirit moved with the first century Christians is different today. You see the way the apostles were raising the dead, healing the sick, the lame and various kind of illnesses.
Are we still seeing that today? How many of these so called pastor can heal a lame man let alone raise the dead like it was done in the early church era?

The first people that received the holy spirit were the 120 disciples and they got it directly from God. The rest of the people that got it was secondhand from the apostles by laying hands on them.
So after the baptised apostles died and true Christianity was destroyed centuries back, there was no one left to transfer the holy spirit to people.

The means through which God mainly speaks to us today is true the Bible. The Bible is a complete word of God containing event that have happened in the past, events happening now and events that will take place on the future. The Bible is complete.

1 Corinthians 13:7-13 NLV

[7]Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.
[8]Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever!
[9]Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture!
[10]But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless.
[11]When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.
[12]Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.
[13]Three things will last forever—faith, hope, and love—and the greatest of these is love.

Hope you understand why JWs believe that God doesn't speak to humans no more. We get everything perfectly from the complete Bible. All of JWs teachings are based on the Bible.

Love, faith and hope are the three main fruits you should look out for in any group claiming to be Christians.

Only the JWs continuously hope for God's kingdom to come and solve our problems while other Christian sects depends on humans to solve their problems. That's why they would vote for humans to lead them and even participate in politics. Satan currently rules this present world so he has intense influence on world politics and government. JWs only stand for God's kingdom or government, hence they clearly show that they are not part of this world and its system.

Only the JWs shows true love among themselves and for their neighbours and enemies like Jesus taught. You'd would never see any JW pray against their enemies like some churches do today. They won't engage in wars or fights to kill one another or their neighbours or en enemies.

Only the JWs shows their faith by industriously and zealously preaching the good news about God's kingdom from door to door just as commissioned. They have their Bible and materials translated and website translated to about 1,030 languages because they want the gospel to reach everyone on the planet.

Jah bless
ErnestNc
MaxInDHouse

cornelboy:

There's no where in the scripture that says Jesus is the archangel Michael like you said but there are clues that indicate that Micheal could be the one sent by God as the Messiah and God's son.
Nobody knows the identity of Jesus before he became human.
You can find one of the clues from these verses; John 5:28-29 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Compare these verses, they are too many similarities. For example both scriptures state that "the dead will rise or resurrect after they hear a voice? Whose voice? Jesus's voice of course!

Why would Jesus use the archangel's voice instead of his own voice?
Because they are the same person.

Since scripture didn't say directly that Jesus was the archangel , why twist scriptures to arrive at such bogus conclusion? God has revealed all we should know, and any further revelation would be a confirmation of what has been written, and If God wanted us to know that Jesus was an archangel , he would have stated it in the scriptures. But you can't find that anywhere because it's a doctrine of devils and an addition to the word of God.

HEB 1:5 says

For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"? For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son


Jesus is the only begotten son, and Michael is an arch angel of God.

"Why would Jesus use the archangel's voice "

Good question .

Why didn't the bible say "and Michael would shout in his voice"?

The scriptures only indicated that the voice of Jesus would sound in the similitude of an archangel , to best describe it. It never said Jesus was an archangel. This is how doctrine of devils are formed.

You can see another clue from the book of Revelations. Jesus led some important battles with host of angels under him just as Micheal led some battles too with hosts of angel under him.

Can you listen to yourself sir? Jesus has a body and Michael is spirit . There are two different entities entirely and two scenes of battles , one of which Michael fought against the dragon and his angels , and Jesus alongside his saints fought against the human government (the battle of armageddon), Hope you know this? And the scriptures clearly indicated that Michael would battle the dragon in Rev 12and in Rev 19:11 Christs fight was against the anti Christ and his government (physical battle) , invariably.

The way the holy spirit moved with the first century Christians is different today. You see the way the apostles were raising the dead, healing the sick, the lame and various kind of illnesses.
Are we still seeing that today? How many of this so called pastor can heal a lame man let alone raising the dead like it was done in the early church era?

Where have you been? Are you not seeing that there are So many believers and men of God that operate in the functionality of working miracles ,prophecies, and other signs.

The first people that received the holy spirit were the 120 disciples and they got it directly from God. The rest of the people that got it was secondhand from the apostles by laying hands on them.
So after the baptised apostles died and true Christianity was destroyed centuries back, there was no one left to transfer the holy spirit to people.
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These are sayings are not true. You're clearly implying that God isn't saving people today, because scripture says that The Holy ghost is a seal of our redemption and this indicates that those that have been saved by God have been given the gift of the Holy spirit which is a proof of their salvation . If they have been saved , it means they have the seed of God in them and they can also walk in signs and miracles as the Holy spirit leads.

Ephesians 4:30 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

The authority of scripture is greater than any perceived Interpretation or understanding. Don't add to the word of God!

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The means through which God mainly speaks to us today is true the Bible. The Bible is a complete word of God containing event that have happened in the past, events happening now and events that will take place on the future. The Bible is complete.
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When The holy ghost asked Philip to go to Gaza (acts 8:21)
Why didn't he open the bible to check if God said he should go there?
Was Philip an apostle?
Or when Stephen's eyes were opened and he saw Christ and the throne of God, why don't you tag him a spiritist . Was he an apostle too?

No one negates that the scriptures is complete. It was the Holy spirit that inspired the scriptures and whatever he will speak will be in line with has He has written.

You claim the scripture is complete , yet you still go to add to it by saying Jesus was the arch angel Michael. What a contradiction.

Cornelboy
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You should ask why the Holy ghost would speak to believers and christians like Stephen , Ananias, and Philip that were not apostles in the early church . Why would God send his Angel to Cornelius(acts 10:36) after Christ had ascended . Would u call them spiritists? Won't you humble yourselves before God and learn of God?

God never said " I will stop speaking to my people , and my voice will they not hear anymore in the latter days " . It was you and your sect that came up with that by twisting scriptures

God never said "My son is the archangel Michael" . It was you and your sect!

God never said Lucifer will come to earth in 1948, it was you and your sect!

God never said " a time will come when I not pour out my spirit" rather it was you and your sect.

God said " in the last days I shall pour out my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophesy and your young men shall see visions" , it was even confirmed by Peter .

How else shall we prophesy and see visions if not by the spirit of the Living God?

Please stop telling us what the scriptures didn't say, and tell us what it says directly, not what you Interpreted. It was the same Interpretation Satan gave to Eve and it separated God from man. JW's have been taught and inspired by fallen angels .

Most of your doctrines seem to want to severe the ties of man with God's holy spirit, by giving credence of the Christ to an archangel, so people won't believe in the son of God for salvation but will rather look up to the angel and I know that pattern came from the garden and that spirit is Satan.