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| Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 6:14am On Jan 03 |
Here, you see an atheist crying and wailing because he lost the debate on "Proof of God" wherein he could not give any valid opposition even after I patiently waited for weeks for him to provide one.  So next thing he says is he accuses that Thorrn: Atheists obviously think that they can open their mouths and argue forever as long as it appears logical. They even think that they can argue unceasingly and unendingly, thinking it is right and valid to argue every word and every sentence and anything in a debate INSTEAD OF THE POINT OF THE DEBATE. Which is why most of their arguments are are invalid and u' And which is why they are crying and complaining against me because I hold and beat them by The Rules of Debate So, do you see how ttruly atheists are very lawless people who do not make valid arguments but are sinply exploiting your lack of knowledge of many things most especially The Rules of Valid debates which as you can see here, they pretend not to know of their existence? (Another delusion: Rules of debates Do not exist) And as Satan'slordReed shows here, denials and lying and twisting is always an option whenever he sees he has lost the debate. So, this is to present The Rules of Fair and Reasonable Debate (even though atheists do not like fairplay because they cannot play fair as they will never win if and when the argument is fair.) which the loser atheist is complaining about. But first, here is their complaint. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 6:17am On Jan 03 |
Wilgrea7: That is the essence of the rules of arguments and debates There must be an end to debates or arguments as people can argue forever rendering the point of talking and arguing silly since no one can know who is right or wrong. So the rules of argument ensure that all forms of distractive, deviative and irrelevant arguments are not made and if made, they must cut out and quashed, so that the Truth and the Right can be clearly and undisputably seen which is the point of arguing hence The Law, THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH! Thus, everyone must make valid arguments to be Right and everyone knows when a foul or infraction is commitrd so it is not based on my thinking but based on the fact that every reasonable person knows that you cannot be arguing about cars and then a debater is trying to talk about bicycle. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 6:21am On Jan 03 |
Thorrn: |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Botragelad: 6:24am On Jan 03 |
Do you need a debate, without deviating. A fair one? |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 6:58am On Jan 03 |
Botragelad: Every debate must be on the point of the debate without deviation nor departure and they must be fair, reasonable and valid at all times. That is where people can reasonably see how an issue is True or a Lie/Right or Wrong. And that is why when atheists devils like evillordReed see that they about to lose, they start trying to scatter and muddle the debate with lies and twistings and raising distractive/deviating issues. And this is where knowledge of The Rules of Debates come in as immediately an opponent does this, it is because he has seen thst he has lost the debate and therefore he is trying to scatter it so that simple people will not see that he has lost, therefore the debate is over. Which is what I do to atheists hence their great cries and hatred and complaints against me. So let everyone see that there are Rules of FairPlay for Debates! |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 7:09am On Jan 03 |
No 1 Quora https://www.quora.com › What are the basic rules of an 'argument'? 26 Jan 2019 — What are the basic rules of an 'argument'? Top answer · 4 votes The first basic rule is: Fight fair! No low blows, no insults or ad hominems. No fallacious And see how atheist low blowed/ad hominemed me "Dtruthspeaker chooses to make up HIS own rules of debate which veers off track from conventional logic. [b]He has proven countlessly over the years that he is severely incompetent on the subject of known logical fallacies because not only does he fail to identify them when he uses one, but he also misapplies them when he attempts to call other people out. His approach towards Christian apologetics is often so haphazard and sloppy that any seasoned Christian debater who watches him in action will be wishing he shuts up to save their position from further regression and embarrassmen[/b]t 😂. Typical atheists argument. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 7:12am On Jan 03 |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Botragelad: 7:21am On Jan 03 |
Dtruthspeaker:Not necessary. You are deviating. You didn't answer my question. Are you in for a debate without deviating? |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 7:35am On Jan 03 |
Botragelad: Deviating from where? Is it not your question "Do I need a debate that does not deviate ("without deviating)? Which I have answered that "every debate must be on the point of the debate..." which can be reasonably seen that I have so impliedly answered that I like debates being fair and on point. But if you need me to spell it out, then I do say it again that I like debates being on the point of the debate with no departures or deviations from the point of the debate. I wonder what evil you are cooking up. Anyway, i go see am. Shoot. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 7:43am On Jan 03 |
2. THE FREEDOM RULE PARTIES MUST NOT PREVENT EACH OTHER FROM PUTTING FORWARD STANDPOINTS OR CASTING DOUBT ON STANDPOINTS. (van Eemeren et al. 110) See how atheists attacked Aemmyjah Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 11:20pm On Oct 29, 2023 Aemmyjah: Does God Exist? The Bible’s answer... Aw, shut up. How many more times are we going to entertain this ridiculous circus from religious people? This is textbook circular reasoning, and is a logical fallacy. You argument was shot down before it even took off (by you, no less!). The Bible already presupposes the existence of God.... XXXXXXXXXXXCXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Here I corrected him that Aemmy is free to present his argument in line with the Rule of Freedom. BUT ATHEISM MEANS HATRED FOR LAWS AND RULES. Re: Does God Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:02pm On Nov 07, 2023 Thorrn: ..It is very obvious from the foregoing passage that when Aemmyjah set out on his quest to establish the existence of his God, he was basing his arguments on the holy texts of his religion - the Bible.[quote] I concede that he appears to have intended basing his argument on the bible but his accompanying extra biblical evidence proves that he did not intend to limit his evidence to the bible alone. Therefore, he flung it open and thus he can lay on any extra biblical evidence he gave in his post. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Botragelad: 7:48am On Jan 03 |
Dtruthspeaker:Lol. Okay what's your argument? |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 8:09am On Jan 03 |
3. THE BURDEN-OF-PROOF RULE- He who asserts must prove. But atheists unreasonably think that once a person is to prove, he must prove forever (which is why they keep asking one silly off point question or the other ready to ask you these off point and irrelevant questions forever till you reasonably give up and then they say you have not proven your case. And this is where they hate me because I cut them off with the laws of debate which guards against all stupid and unreasonable and invalid questions or argument.. And whilst they are keeping you busy asking all these stupd questions, they pretend not to know and see and hope to distract you with their useless questions, that once proof has been given, the burden of proof has shifted to them for them to give their own evidence of rebuttal. And usually, because they have none, and because people do not know that the burden has shifted, they keep wailing that you should attend to their distractive off point arguments. which if you do, the burden of proof returns back to you, THEREBY EVADING AND ESCAPING THEIR DUTY OF DISCHARGING THE BURDEN OF PROOF WHICH FELL ON THEM. Which is why many of you think that atheists are smart whereas they are scammers playing on your lack of knowing. Which is why they hate me for I keep the burden of proof on them and I do not allow their irrelant questions and wailings to distract me as shown here Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 1:10pm On Nov 12, 2023 Dtruthspeaker: Clearly I do know God is Real and most certainly exists and my first proof is simply on the ground that it is seen and clearly proven that it is impossible for a thing in this world to create itself.[quote] Sounds like a non-sequitur to me. How does something not having the capacity to create itself provide conclusive proof that God exists? Going by your logic, God must have been created by something then?And XXXXXXXXXXX Do you see that he does not address my answer and proof but is doing the ask questions to eternity trick in dodging and evading the burden of giving a valid rebuttal as he pretentously pretends to not understand the answer I have given? Who does that? Only an atheist! Pretentious frauds are they! |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 8:25am On Jan 03 |
Botragelad: Ehen! You did not have any hidden bomb you wanted to drop? Ok o I don't have any argument in this thread. I am just trying to show that there exists rules of fair debate which atheists think do not exist in their delusion and pretence things don't exist! So technically, i don't have any argument here, save this little one you started. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Botragelad: 8:29am On Jan 03 |
Dtruthspeaker:Cite an example! |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:03am On Jan 03 |
Botragelad: I don't understand what you have in mind but in here I am already citing real debates that have already taken place. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Botragelad: 9:04am On Jan 03 |
Dtruthspeaker:Nope. You aren't Making any point. What exactly is your point? |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by GreatAchiever1: 9:29am On Jan 03 |
When una wan do audio debate, mention me. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 3:24pm On Jan 03 |
Botragelad: You obviously are setting yourself up to be a nuisance and a distraction knowing that this thread is damaging to atheists since I am telling everyone what they should watch out for when they argue with them. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 3:37pm On Jan 03 |
4) THE STANDPOINT RULE (AkA OFF POINT/GOAL POST SHIFTING RULE. THE BIGGEST VIOLATIONS ATHEIST COMMIT) Which is why you see Thorn complaining and lying that there is no Rule. "A PARTY’S ATTACK ON A STANDPOINT MUST RELATE TO THE STANDPOINT THAT HAS INDEED BEEN ADVANCED BY THE OTHER PARTY (You cannot go off point). (van Eemeren et al. 116) Your standpoint is simply your claim, your basic argument in a nutshell. If you disagree with another person’s argument or they disagree with yours, the actual standpoint and not some related but more easily attacked issue must be addressed. For example, one person might argue that the rhetoric of global warming has created a multimillion-dollar green industry benefiting from fears over climate change. This is an argument about the effects of global warming rhetoric, not global warming itself. It would break the standpoint rule to argue that the writer/speaker does not believe in global warming. This is not the issue at hand. Exactly what I told Thorn here. Thorrn: It's not because it is seen and proven beyond every reasonable doubt that no thing in this world created itself. Thorrn: This is goal post shifting for the topic is on proof of God and not on proof that God was created. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 3:47pm On Jan 03 |
Even after this warning you can see here how he desperately refuses to stay on the point of the argument Thorrn: Still out of Point! The topic is about how we comnect to God, our Creator (proof of God). And not a focus on our Creator which is a Change of Post. So, we understand if you are not able to proceed without your changing the argument which is proof of God and not Proof of whether God has a God where you are shifting the argument to in which you also forget that the implication means that you admit that God indeed exists and that your fresh interest is in finding out whether He was also created just like us or not WHICH IS NOT THE ARGUMENT, HENCE OFF POINT/CHANGE OF POST. So, here you can all see why almost all the things atheist say in their arguments are all invalid and therefore have never truly countered that God does not exist. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Botragelad: 4:03pm On Jan 03 |
Dtruthspeaker:Lol |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 4:29pm On Jan 03 |
5) THE UNEXPRESSED PREMISE RULE! A PARTY MAY NOT FALSELY PRESENT SOMETHING AS A PREMISE THAT HAS BEEN LEFT UNEXPRESSED BY THE OTHER PARTY OR DENY A PREMISE THAT HE OR SHE HAS LEFT IMPLICIT. (van Eemeren et al. 121) Translation: You cannot attack by presenting what was not expressly presented by your opponent nor deny what is implied.. See Thorn here, introducing "first cause" because he knows this was one of the best arguments Christians earlier made in support of the Prooff of God and was prepared for it, so he added "first cause" and his personal bias to the argument, even adding another off point argument to it ALL BECAUSE HE COULD NOT ATTEND TO MY ANSWER!. But i did not say "first cause" Which I already know was floored, not wrong just not a perfect answer because it violates some Rules of Valid Argument. But hunkle could not see beyond this. Thorrn: In all you say you still move and depart from the point of the argument. I said nothing about first cause ...and as i told you before,... SO WATCH OUT FOR HOW THEY ADD FRESH ARGUMENTS IN THEIR ATTEMPT TO RESPONSE. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 4:44pm On Jan 03 |
5) THE VALIDITY RULE (Arguments must be Valid) THE REASONING IN THE ARGUMENTATION MUST BE LOGICALLY VALID OR MUST BE CAPABLE OF BEING MADE VALID BY MAKING EXPLICIT ONE OR MORE UNEXPRESSED PREMISES. (van Eemeren et al. 132) This rule is about traditional logics. Violating this rule means that the parts of your argument do not match up. For example, your cause and effect might be off: If you swim in the ocean today, you will get stung by a jellyfish and need medical care. Joe went to the doctor today. He must have been stung by a jellyfish. While this example is obvious (we do not know that Joe went swimming), many argument problems are caused by violating this rule. Here is where your knowledge of the rules of argument comes into play as you must know how to spot an invalid argument as soon as you see or hear one. And invalid argument is an argument which is not True in nature or contains something wrong in it because it violates a Rule of Argument. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 5:02pm On Jan 03 |
From Quora 6) Thou shalt not state what your opponent believes eg presumption of "first cause) without first getting confirmation from your opponent as to what he or she actually believes. 7) ATHEIST FAVOURITE [b]Thou shalt not engage in “Gish Gallops” (i.e., attempting to overwhelm your opponent with more questions or criticisms that can actually be answered, then claiming victory when your opponent cannot, in fact, answer all of them/b] e.g. Atheist Jaephoenix https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes#122627177 Who can ever respond to this load of garbage? Surely this is cyber bullying. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 5:09pm On Jan 03 |
8.) Attack the argument, not the person. That is, provide evidence that either supports your case, or disproves your opponent’s. Resorting to insults and name-calling and lies and twisting of words indicates you can’t do either of the above and is a move of sheer desperation and weakness and inability to counter the opponent's case. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by LordReed(m): 5:18pm On Jan 03 |
Dtruthspeaker: Bwahahahahaha! You who would be the first to start by calling people devil or Satan? Guy you don't follow the rules so why all these? Immediately after you finish writing all these rules let's do a debate on any topic you wish and I bet you before 4 responses are done you'd have broken at least 2 of your own rules. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 5:43pm On Jan 03 |
9 The Law of Evidence, Rules: Be aware of hearsay, opinion, presumption and all not admissible evidences Also your evidence must be'direct' "if it is a testimony of a fact which you perceive with one of your senses such as hearing, sight, smell, touch or taste. Section 126. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 6:10pm On Jan 03 |
LordReed: TwistingLyingReed is back with his evil twisting and bending of words/sentences out of natural light into dark evil meanings that were never intended or given. But evil Reed must argue from the point of darkness and evil and must take the argument there like Hades in the cartoon "Herciules" must turn everything he does not like to the dark side where he lives and rules; whereas I was clearly standing in the light open for everyone to judge according to the light. Thus, even right now you prove why i call you devil/Satan for your identity is devil/Satan as you are always a lying twisting demon doing exactly as Satan/devil will do. So calling your name is not a violation of the rule. It's the identity you have created for yourself by your conduct So NO ROAD! Deviil Secondly, off point. LordReed: I never violate any rule for if an issue is a debate, i will debate but if it is an attack, then I have a right to attack back! So bring on a debate, i will debate and I will never break any Rule, Devil, son of Satan. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 6:14pm On Jan 03 |
See Devils are complaining! |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Dtruthspeaker: 6:42pm On Jan 03 |
10) Thou must not lie and twist your opponents words and meanings. Typical lordReed's manner of argument when he sees he is losing. Quora What's it called when you're debating someone and they twist around your words and reply to a point you didn't make? Marry Perry "I didn't know there was a name for this, but it's a classic strategy used by persons with narcissistic personality disorder in order to unsettle and dominate you and make you feel stupid so they can “win” the argument" Kim Huli-Feltz The word is deflecting. de·flect /dəˈflekt/ verb gerund or present participle: deflecting cause (something) to change direction by interposing something; turn aside from a straight course. It’s like ‘smoke & mirrors or yelling ““look over there!” Directing attention to the side issue while the main issue is being ignored- because the focus has been changed. The classic Wizard of Oz syndrome - ““pay no attention to the man behind the green curtain”…… lordReed's version is a very very wicked type of deflecting. Miles N. Fowler You are describing someone putting words in your mouth. This often takes the form of a straw man argument where someone says you said something that you didn’t say and then criticizes their characterization - or even caricature - of your position. If you are taking a position based on one line of argument, an opponent might cite a completely different supporting argument for your position even though you never used that argument. They then point out the fallacy of this other argument and try to tar you with using a supporting argument you never used. This particular twisted attack is technically called argumentum ad logicam. SEE IT, TWISTED ATTACK! John Peter Germaat What's it called when you're debating someone and they twist around your words and reply to a point you didn't make? It is possible you are dealing with a sociopathic manipulator.(SEE WHY I CALL YOU A DEVIL/SATAN?) If the debates you are speaking of occur in your personal life, you may want to think carefully about this relationship. (I PITY YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN AND EMPLOYEES IF ANY. I Shudder) AND BRUCE R.BAIN HAS MADE MY WHOLE CASE AGAINST DEVILREED. hehehehehehe What's it called when you're debating someone and they twist around your words and reply to a point you didn't make? There are 2 errors in such arguments to be studied. The first error occurs when someone changes the words or terminology in your Standing Point. That is a violation of Rule #3, The Standpoint Rule. 1 The Freedom Rule Claimant and Challenger must allow each other to advance a standing point, and must not prevent the other from challenging any standpoint. 2 The Burden of Proof Rule If asked by the other person to defend a standin point the other person is obligated to offer a defense and to substantiate claims with reasons or evidences as appropriate. 3 The Standpoint Rule A person's analysis and critique of another's standpoint must relate to the standing point that was introduced as an original argument. 4 The Relevance Rule A person can only defend a standing point by offering claims relating to that standing point. 5 The Unexpressed Premise Rule / Hidden Premise Rule Let me rest here! E sweet me well well say devil dey complaint hahahahahahaha. |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by LordReed(m): 7:50pm On Jan 03 |
Dtruthspeaker: LoLz. You have already broken your own rule. Bwahahahahaha! Your very first response and you have already broken your rule 8. Guy stop faking yourself, you can't abide by these rules. But I will give the benefit of doubt, open a new thread, let's debate any topic of your choice, let's see how well you abide by your own rules. 1 Like |
| Re: Some Atheists Pretend Not To Know That There Are Rules Of Argument! !!! by Image123(m): 5:19am On Jan 04 |
LordReed: We all know that you enjoy the rigmarole with this my friend, but common, this is 2024. Doesn't it get boring for you?  Pity we your faithful followers. 1 Like |
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