Aemmyjah:



Mumu
See who is calling someone mad
You don't even know what faith is

A poor man can have faith that he's a millionaire only when he receives a cheque of such money and he's not seen such money but that cheque is the evidence of faith
If someone were to give someone in your family such cheque and he happily comes to show you, you will call him a mad man since he's not seen such money
Your head de hot

Normally my head dey always hot.

You wey your head dey cold. The cheque leaf is a physical thing that he can show to others, he can touch and others can touch as well.
Provided the cheque is valid and can be processed.

Using this scenario to illustrate Heb11:1 that was written either by Paul when he was mad or by some random author with a half baked knowledge is tantamount to clownery.

When you pray and you hope, what touchable evidence do you get?

PoliteActivist:
*Continuing response to JessicaRabbi. I'll post more responses after this - if I'm not banned for posting this!

I want to emphasize, I was not saying God does not exist (otherwise I'd be biased against our religionist friends), I was simply logically trying to point out that EVEN IF God did not exist, it'd still be "richer" to be a religionist than an atheist. In other words, faith in God is in itself a valuable possession - whether God exists or not! A possession an atheist can't have. A religionist can have everything an atheist has - PLUS faith in God.
But an atheist can't have everything a religionist has.
Even the richest atheist lacks something the poorest religionst has - faith in God!
That's why I put "poorer" in quotes, but you took it literally
Also, the human mind is very powerful. It is possible our mind creates what we perceive as reality. And since the mind does not know the difference between what is imagined and what is real (assuming there is a difference), if you believe strongly enough something exists, it exists!

Online billionaire

LordReed:


Death is normal too isn't it? Accidents are normal even misfortune is a normal. And when I say normal I mean it can happen to anybody and has no "supernatural" causes.

Lol! Why would you say accident is a normal thing? The world accident itself means an unexpected event, a mistake, something that shouldn't happen.
Did you think Henry Ford think a diesel-engine moving vehicle would claim lives? I guess you should read his notes or find his interviews.
Accident of whatever sort, even a domestic accident is a mistake.
Who would think it's a normal thing for him to cut his fingers while slicing vegetables? I think such person has an underlying mental issue and should be treated.
If your friends got caught up in an accident, or you fell sick. Just stay there and do not do anything just because it's a normal thing.

Yes! It is foolishness to do anything to worry about normal things. Even if anyone was to do anything at all, it is to make things continue in their state of normalcy.

A healthy human should be able to at least get 4hrs of sleep everyday at will. When you can't sleep for 3days on a roll it takes a toll on your body. By that time you'll understand that abnormal things are not normal.

Also, death is normal. But the only kind of death that is normal is death at old age.
Any other kind is an abnormality. Why do you think people don't cry much when they loose their old ones? Because it's a normal death bro. Do you compare the ambiance when someone in his 20s die to when an old person of 80 dies?
Why do people throw a huge funeral party for oldies?

You are beginning to make me feel like a fool for even talking about this.

LordReed:

Water flowing downhill is not the same as sleeping and waking. We know practically all there is to know about water going down hill because we understand the physical forces and circumstances that make it so. Can't say the same for sleeping and waking. Have you heard of SIDS before? Sudden infant death syndrome has no known cause and is the leading cause death in children between 1 month and a year. Factor that into your response.

Look at you, have you ever heard of a river of water in Antarctica that flows uphill?

Also the Erin River at Erinjiyan Ekiti?(Though, I'm awaiting a research report on this)

Now back to it. Wait! Are you saying SIDS is a normal thing? Like FR?
It's a normal thing for a baby to sleep and not wake? Haha?

You know what ? I really don't wanna sound offensive, let's just end this discussion here.
I'm beginning to get pissed

FRANCISTOWN:

Lol! Why would you say accident is a normal thing? The world accident itself means an unexpected event, a mistake, something that shouldn't happen.
Did you think Henry Ford think a diesel-engine moving vehicle would claim lives? I guess you should read his notes or find his interviews.
Accident of whatever sort, even a domestic accident is a mistake.
Who would think it's a normal thing for him to cut his fingers while slicing vegetables? I think such person has an underlying mental issue and should be treated.
If your friends got caught up in an accident, or you fell sick. Just stay there and do not do anything just because it's a normal thing.

Yes! It is foolishness to do anything to worry about normal things. Even if anyone was to do anything at all, it is to make things continue in their state of normalcy.

A healthy human should be able to at least get 4hrs of sleep everyday at will. When you can't sleep for 3days on a roll it takes a toll on your body. By that time you'll understand that abnormal things are not normal.

Also, death is normal. But the only kind of death that is normal is death at old age.
Any other kind is an abnormality. Why do you think people don't cry much when they loose their old ones? Because it's a normal death bro. Do you compare the ambiance when someone in his 20s die to when an old person of 80 dies?
Why do people throw a huge funeral party for oldies?

You are beginning to make me feel like a fool for even talking about this.


Look at you, have you ever heard of a river of water in Antarctica that flows uphill?

Also the Erin River at Erinjiyan Ekiti?(Though, I'm awaiting a research report on this)

Now back to it. Wait! Are you saying SIDS is a normal thing? Like FR?
It's a normal thing for a baby to sleep and not wake? Haha?

You know what ? I really don't wanna sound offensive, let's just end this discussion here.
I'm beginning to get pissed

Yes let's end it because you getting pissed for nothing. C'mon how can you not have a discussion without getting overworked for nothing?

Besides you ignored my clarification, twice now so there is really no point continuing.

PoliteActivist:
*Continuing response to JessicaRabbi. I'll post more responses after this - if I'm not banned for posting this!

I want to emphasize, I was not saying God does not exist (otherwise I'd be biased against our religionist friends), I was simply logically trying to point out that EVEN IF God did not exist, it'd still be "richer" to be a religionist than an atheist. In other words, faith in God is in itself a valuable possession - whether God exists or not! A possession an atheist can't have. A religionist can have everything an atheist has - PLUS faith in God.
But an atheist can't have everything a religionist has.
Even the richest atheist lacks something the poorest religionst has - faith in God!
That's why I put "poorer" in quotes, but you took it literally
Also, the human mind is very powerful. It is possible our mind creates what we perceive as reality. And since the mind does not know the difference between what is imagined and what is real (assuming there is a difference), if you believe strongly enough something exists, it exists!

I'm afraid, the point you are trying to make here is seriously flawed. You are just commodifying a complex human experience and reducing it to a mere object. Faith is not a magic lamp granting wishes; it's a subjective belief system. It's like saying someone who doesn't believe in unicorns is "poorer" for it. According to you, religious individuals have everything an atheist does, plus faith. But have you stopped to really consider what actual value this "faith" has? Or are you going to conveniently ignore the potential negative aspects of some faith systems such as blind obedience, prejudice, or the suppression of critical thinking? Additionally, many atheists possess alternative sources of meaning and purpose, derived from ethics, human connection, or a sense of wonder for the universe.

You seem to be delving into the realm of subjectivity and the power of the mind, by suggesting that believing something into existence could make it real. This is a dangerous path, bordering on solipsism (the belief that only one's mind is certain to exist). We must distinguish between personal perception and objective reality. Science, with its emphasis on evidence and verification, provides a far more reliable way of navigating the world than blind faith.

LordReed:


Yes let's end it because you getting pissed for nothing. C'mon how can you not have a discussion without getting overworked for nothing?
Besides you ignored my clarification, twice now so there is really no point continuing.

How could you even say that SIDS is a normalcy?
That it's normal for infants to die in their sleep?
Lullaby Trust alone has spent more than £ 12M
Many talented scientists have spent entire careers working to identify the cause, or causes, of SIDS.
The United State has spent millions of dollars. Yet you called it normal. Now think about it, wasn't that enough to get one pissed?

By the way, I must have missed your clarification. I didn't ignore it

JessicaRabbit:


I'm afraid, the point you are trying to make here is seriously flawed. You are just commodifying a complex human experience and reducing it to a mere object. Faith is not a magic lamp granting wishes; it's a subjective belief system. It's like saying someone who doesn't believe in unicorns is "poorer" for it. According to you, religious individuals have everything an atheist does, plus faith. But have you stopped to really consider what actual value this "faith" has? Or are you going to conveniently ignore the potential negative aspects of some faith systems such as blind obedience, prejudice, or the suppression of critical thinking? Additionally, many atheists possess alternative sources of meaning and purpose, derived from ethics, human connection, or a sense of wonder for the universe.

You seem to be delving into the realm of subjectivity and the power of the mind, by suggesting that believing something into existence could make it real. This is a dangerous path, bordering on solipsism (the belief that only one's mind is certain to exist). We must distinguish between personal perception and objective reality. Science, with its emphasis on evidence and verification, provides a far more reliable way of navigating the world than blind faith.

Faith itself is not evil. Faith is like a gun. You can either use it for protection or destruction.

The same with faith. What's important about faith is what an individual places their faith in.

Meanwhile, a blind faith is no longer a faith. That is delusion.

FRANCISTOWN:

How could you even say that SIDS is a normalcy?
That it's normal for infants to die in their sleep?
Lullaby Trust alone has spent more than £ 12M
Many talented scientists have spent entire careers working to identify the cause, or causes, of SIDS.
The United State has spent millions of dollars. Yet you called it normal. Now think about it, wasn't that enough to get one pissed?

By the way, I must have missed your clarification. I didn't ignore it

Quote where I said SIDS is normal.

LordReed:


Quote where I said SIDS is normal.

What did you mean by this when you asked me to factor SIDS into my response while you remain on the submission that death in it's grand calculus is normal?

LordReed:

Water flowing downhill is not the same as sleeping and waking. We know practically all there is to know about water going down hill because we understand the physical forces and circumstances that make it so. Can't say the same for sleeping and waking. Have you heard of SIDS before? Sudden infant death syndrome has no known cause and is the leading cause death in children between 1 month and a year. Factor that into your response.

FRANCISTOWN:


What did you mean by this when you asked me to factor SIDS into my response while you remain on the submission that death in it's grand calculus is normal?

I was referring to your submission that waking up is guaranteed. Up to this point now I have introduced 2 sets of statistics to buttress my point. The first was life expectancy of males and then SIDS. These are to show that you cannot say that waking or longevity is guaranteed.

FRANCISTOWN:

Your faith is in your plan.
Whatever your hope might be is useless.

Why? It was the hope that got me to plan so why is it useless?

LordReed:


Why? It was the hope that got me to plan so why is it useless?

It was not hope that got you to plan. It was either want/need

FRANCISTOWN:

Normally my head dey always hot.

You wey your head dey cold. The cheque leaf is a physical thing that he can show to others, he can touch and others can touch as well.
Provided the cheque is valid and can be processed.

Using this scenario to illustrate Heb11:1 that was written either by Paul when he was mad or by some random author with a half baked knowledge is tantamount to clownery.

When you pray and you hope, what touchable evidence do you get?

Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen

As simple as this is, the folly in an atheist head won't make him comprehend cos it's foolishness to him

A farmer has faith that it will rain and he hopes it will come
I have faith that i can call someone anywhere in the world and communicate when I have no wired connection made possible through radio waves which I've never seen but I make the call confident I'll reach him (evident demonstration in reality that are not seen).
A farmer can foresee himself having bountiful harvest even before the planting season. Faith moves him to till the soil and do everything he has to do as a farmer and get that yield.
Go and rest
Embrace atheism that tell you that your life has no purpose and direction. Should I quote a renowned apostle for atheism for you?

FRANCISTOWN:

It was not hope that got you to plan. It was either want/need

Well what is hope if not want or need? I am not talking about constructing castles in the air or fairy tales.

LordReed:


I have hope. I have hope that I will achieve my goals. I have hope I will live to see my children give birth to their own children. I have hope I will live a good life.

You should ask before you say what you don't know.

Are you an atheist?
Atheists don't generally believe in hope
I know what I'm saying
You can submit to Francistown to educate you properly that hope is stupid

FRANCISTOWN:

It was not hope that got you to plan. It was either want/need

😂
Hope is also a strong drive that there's light at the end of the tunnel despite obstacles
One that aspires to be a millionaire and work towards it can still face setbacks

You don't even understand what want/needs mean

LordReed:


I was referring to your submission that waking up is guaranteed. Up to this point now I have introduced 2 sets of statistics to buttress my point. The first was life expectancy of males and then SIDS. These are to show that you cannot say that waking or longevity is guaranteed.

Waking up is guaranteed. It's a normal thing. Anyone who doesn't wake up must have suffered an absurdity.


The fact that something is guaranteed does not mean there can't be mishaps. But it's a mishap, a mistake. Something that is not expected to happen. I've maintained this position since the beginning.

As in the case of SIDS, are you saying parents should not have the guarantee that their kid will outlive them?

Let's imagine a mother says to a day's old baby that "I hope this child grows, and live long". WTF?

It was strange to me when Aemmyjah, MaxInDHouse, Dtruthspeaker and other christians think atheists are always depressed because they are scared of the future.

The pessimistic mentality and a mind full of negativities, insecurities and uncertainties of many atheists must have been the reason.

I'm an atheist but I get faith die.
I've said it several times. I will live up to 90 in good health with great-grand children all over me in luxuries 🥰🥰🥰.

I've never for once in this life thought it may not happen. Why should it not? Peradventure it doesn't happen. There is no big deal, life's misfortune can happen to anybody at anytime.
Emphasis on misfortune.

Aemmyjah:


Are you an atheist?
Atheists don't generally believe in hope
I know what I'm saying
You can submit to Francistown to educate you properly that hope is stupid

I am an Igtheist actually but that is just a class of atheist.

Until I saw what you wrote I have never heard an atheist say they don't have hope, especially if they are not nihilistic. I don’t really see nihilists so maybe that's why.

That there are atheists that say hope is stupid does not make it general. Once again the only thing you can say that applies to atheists as a group is they do not believe in a God. You need to get that parked very well in your head.

FRANCISTOWN:

Waking up is guaranteed. It's a normal thing. Anyone who doesn't wake up must have suffered an absurdity.


The fact that something is guaranteed does not mean there can't be mishaps. But it's a mishap, a mistake. Something that is not expected to happen. I've maintained this position since the beginning.

As in the case of SIDS, are you saying parents should not have the guarantee that their kid will outlive them?

Let's imagine a mother says to a day's old baby that "I hope this child grows, and live long". WTF?

It was strange to me when Aemmyjah, MaxInDHouse, Dtruthspeaker and other christians think atheists are always depressed because they are scared of the future.

The pessimistic mentality and a mind full of negativities, insecurities and uncertainties of many atheists must have been the reason.

I'm an atheist but I get faith die.
I've said it several times. I will live up to 90 in good health with great-grand children all over me in luxuries 🥰🥰🥰.

I've never for once in this life thought it may not happen. Why should it not? Peradventure it doesn't happen. There is no big deal, life's misfortune can happen to anybody at anytime.
Emphasis on misfortune.

Guaranteed by who or what?

Aemmyjah:



😂
Hope is also a strong drive that there's light at the end of the tunnel despite obstacles
One that aspires to be a millionaire and work towards it can still face setbacks

You don't even understand what want/needs mean

Want means that you are even interested in the light at the end of the tunnel. Then you hope there is really a light. If you do not want/need the light at the end of the tunnel. Even if there is a 1000watts of incandescent lamp , you will gladly remain in the dark. Actually, some people love the dark. I personally enjoy the dark. I love darkness.

Whatever you hope for is something you either want or need. If you are hungry and you need food, will you hope to not get food?

😂😂

LordReed:


Guaranteed by who or what?

The functioning systems of a healthy body.

FRANCISTOWN:
...It was strange to me when Aemmyjah, MaxInDHouse, Dtruthspeaker and other christians think atheists are always depressed because they are scared of the future. ..

You atheists need to delude yourselves but dont think your delusion.has gone beyond youtselves. People do see and talk about how you people look even if they wouldnot directly tell it to your face.

And of course if a person is continously depressed they must kill themselves, so God allows a little happinesss. When the suicide spree started we saw how you people were shaking and trying to hold it together. There is nothing reasonable for you people to say

Dtruthspeaker:


You atheists need to delude yourselves but dont think your delusion.has gone beyond youtselves. People do see and talk about how you people look even if they wouldnot directly tell it to your face.

And of course if a person is continously depressed they must kill themselves, so God allows a little happinesss. When the suicide spree started we saw how you people were shaking and trying to hold it together. There is nothing reasonable for you people to say

😂😂😂😂😂. Who says we are depressed. The devil doesn't have a hand in my affairs as he has it in the christian affairs so, why shouldn't things work out for me? Thus, where cometh depression?

FRANCISTOWN:

😂😂😂😂😂. Who says we are depressed. The devil doesn't have a hand in my affairs as he has it in the christian affairs so, why shouldn't things work out for me? Thus, where cometh depression?

You have deluded yourself into forgetting that people have eyes and they always talk behind your back. And that is what makes you people mad like the muslims and jws and catholics.

FRANCISTOWN:

The functioning systems of a healthy body.

That's like saying if we discount everybody who is sick everybody is healthy. That is called confirmation bias. You cannot discount a part of the data then still say you are talking about the whole.

FRANCISTOWN:


Want means that you are even interested in the light at the end of the tunnel. Then you hope there is really a light. If you do not want/need the light at the end of the tunnel. Even if there is a 1000watts of incandescent lamp , you will gladly remain in the dark. Actually, some people love the dark. I personally enjoy the dark. I love darkness.

Whatever you hope for is something you either want or need. If you are hungry and you need food, will you hope to not get food?

LordReed what are you typing today like this?😂😂

Huh? why are you replying someone else and calling me?

LordReed:


Well what is hope if not want or need? I am not talking about constructing castles in the air or fairy tales.

Well hope is different from want/need but stems from them

Consider want and need as the parents.
They begot Wish.
Wish begot faith and hope.
Faith begot persistence, determination, long sufferings, do or die, success or vanishing. "Change starts by doing" e.t.c


Hope begot "Do your best and live the rest", "if you set your mind at it, you can achieve it", "i know i can be whatever i wanna be","I hope one day, things will change", weakness , what will be will be. e.t.c

I've decided to adopt Faith and her children. Hope is for weak people, Faith is for the strong

LordReed:


Huh? why are you replying someone else and calling me?

Haa! It was a mistake o. I was too engrossed with work to notice the moniker.
@ Aemmyjah I'm coming for you in "Jesus" name.

LordReed:


That's like saying if we discount everybody who is sick everybody is healthy. That is called confirmation bias. You cannot discount a part of the data then still say you are talking about the whole.

It is not a confirmation bias. I've not totally ruled out the possiblity of sleeping and not waking. Therefore, it also cannot be a conjecture.

Consider it as a random variable that has a probability density function that is proportional to X on the interval [0,1] and zero elsewhere.
Let's consider the 0 elsewhere as a container that houses all underlying sicknesses or midnight accidents that could trigger not waking up.

If you insisted on your above disposition, then it means that: Not waking from sleep is Normal and if not waking from sleep is normal, then waking from sleep becomes abnormal.

Is that the theory you are trying to propound?

FRANCISTOWN:

Well hope is different from want/need but stems from them

Consider want and need as the parents.
They begot Wish.
Wish begot faith and hope.
Faith begot persistence, determination, long sufferings, do or die, success or vanishing. "Change starts by doing" e.t.c


Hope begot "Do your best and live the rest", "if you set your mind at it, you can achieve it", "i know i can be whatever i wanna be","I hope one day, things will change", weakness , what will be will be. e.t.c

I've decided to adopt Faith and her children. Hope is for weak people, Faith is for the strong

I guess we have different views of hope then. Hope to me is not "Do your best and live the rest", well not exactly. Hope to me is this is what I want or that is what I need, I am going to aim for them. Then I make plans to fulfill those desires. Why I say not exactly is because I recognise that plans, situations and circumstances can change, heck I may not even want that thing anymore, so I also plan to be flexible in achieving my aims. Plus I realise that there are things beyond my control, things will happen that I did not expect or anticipate.

I laugh at "Hope is for weak people, Faith is for the strong". If you have never experienced something that completely blindsides you, you'd have this view is my opinion. When you've experienced the vagaries of life you'll see things differently.

FRANCISTOWN:


It is not a confirmation bias. I've not totally ruled out the possiblity of sleeping and not waking. Therefore, it also cannot be a conjecture.

Consider it as a random variable that has a probability density function that is proportional to X on the interval [0,1] and zero elsewhere.
Let's consider the 0 elsewhere as a container that houses all underlying sicknesses or midnight accidents that could trigger not waking up.

If you insisted on your above disposition, then it means that: Not waking from sleep is Normal and if not waking from sleep is normal, then waking from sleep becomes abnormal.

Is that the theory you are trying to propound?

Nope, I am telling you that the probability is never zero.

LordReed:


I guess we have different views of hope then. Hope to me is not "Do your best and live the rest", well not exactly. Hope to me is this is what I want or that is what I need, I am going to aim for them. Then I make plans to fulfill those desires. Why I say not exactly is because I recognise that plans, situations and circumstances can change, heck I may not even want that thing anymore , so I also plan to be flexible in achieving my aims. Plus I realise that there are things beyond my control, things will happen that I did not expect or anticipate.

I laugh at "Hope is for weak people, Faith is for the strong". If you have never experienced something that completely blindsides you, you'd have this view is my opinion. When you've experienced the vagaries of life you'll see things differently.

Which means want is the driving force to begin with.

Believe me, I didn't just go thru hell. I stayed in hell and got burnt. That was when I shredded myself of anything called hope. I vowed never to do it again in life.