Have u ever asked yourselves why the historical death of Jesus and the Biblical death of Jesus different?.the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah and call him a bastard.they could have killed Jesus anywhere like they did to some of their PROPHETs. but insisted they insisted that the emperor should crusify Jesus so as to prove that he is not the Messiah because according to the Jewish law in the Bible, those who are hang on the tree are cursed by God.so hanging Jesus is the only way to disprove him as the Messiah which they think they did.but according to the Bible, Jesus was depicted as saviour who came to die for our sins,the Bible over the centuries developed and depicted Jesus as a son of God and later on was transformed into a God and worshipped,by modern Christians.

but the thing is, even during the life time of Jesus,those who believe in him never worshipped him or call him God, the earliest Christians like the Ibianites never worshipped Jesus as God, so how comes modern Christians are now worshipping Jesus and his MOTHER?. or do the modern Christians know Jesus more than his diciples knew him?. this is a Very big deception in Christianity which only people with reasoning can see through it.

Ahmadusmanu:
∆ Have u ever asked yourselves why the historical death of Jesus and the Biblical death of Jesus different?.the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah and call him a bastard.they could have killed Jesus anywhere like they did to some of their PROPHETs. but insisted they insisted that the emperor should crusify Jesus so as to prove that he is not the Messiah because according to the Jewish law in the Bible, those who are hang on the tree are cursed by God. so hanging Jesus is the only way to disprove him as the Messiah which they think they did.but according to the Bible, Jesus was depicted as saviour who came to die for our sins,the Bible over the centuries developed and depicted Jesus as a son of God and later on was transformed into a God and worshipped,by modern Christians.
∆ but the thing is, even during the life time of Jesus,those who believe in him never worshipped him or call him God, the earliest Christians like the Ibianites never worshipped Jesus as God, so how comes modern Christians are now worshipping Jesus and his MOTHER?. or do the modern Christians know Jesus more than his diciples knew him?. this is a Very big deception in Christianity which only people with reasoning can see through it.

1. What aspect of the Law and the Prophets led you to believing the Messiah could not be born by way of a curse or die bearing a curse though? Does this "historical" narrative you claim access to include information on this as it is vital to making your case. Source please!

2. Not here to hold brief for the Christians seeing as I am not one of them, but I happen to be a follower of Jesus Christ and I don't worship his mother since she was just a human as I am..I worship Jesus Christ because He is King and judge(Judy and executioner too) over my soul in the Kingdom of God -- basically, He is God over my life which is eternal in the Kingdom of God. He decides whether I will be damned for eternity at the end based on choices I make here on earth or whether I spend eternity in reward. So?

Regarding your first question
God promised the Jews a Messiah who will come and restore them back to their golden age.and God also told them the qualities and attributes of the Messiah to come.so your argument that a Messiah been be born by way of a curse or die bearing a curse is nonsensical .

Secondly u said you worship Jesus, can you show me in your Bible where Jesus ask you Christians to worship him or you in particular?

Kobojunkie:
1. What aspect of the Law and the Prophets led you to believing the Messiah could not be born by way of a curse or die bearing a curse though? Does this "historical" narrative you claim access to include information on this as it is vital to making your case. Source please!

2. Not here to hold brief for the Christians seeing as I am not one of them, but I happen to be a follower of Jesus Christ and I don't worship his mother since she was just a human as I am..I worship Jesus Christ because He is King and judge(Judy and executioner too) over my soul in the Kingdom of God -- basically, He is God over my life which is eternal in the Kingdom of God. He decides whether I will be damned for eternity at the end based on choices I make here on earth or whether I spend eternity in reward. So?

Ahmadusmanu:
∆ Regarding your first question. God promised the Jews a Messiah who will come and restore them back to their golden age.

∆ Interesting word choice there -- restore -- which supposes the Israelites at one point in time actually enjoyed this golden age you speak of. I would have loved to take a deep dive into that claim but I think it best to enquire as to the source of your information on the Messiah instead.

Ahmadusmanu:
■ Regarding your first question God promised the Jews a Messiah who will come and restore them back to their golden age.
■ and God also told them the qualities and attributes of the Messiah to come.so your argument that a Messiah been be born by way of a curse or die bearing a curse is nonsensical .
■ Secondly u said you worship Jesus, can you show me in your Bible where Jesus ask you Christians to worship him or you in particular?

1. The israelites never really did achieve the golden age before they were eventually destroyed by God of Israel so why the interesting choice of word — Restore?

2. You didn't answer the question. Where are these qualities and attributes of the Messiah that mandate that He could not be born of God's curse or die carrying God's curse stipulated? WHERE?

3. Well, in Scripture, as opposed to your other religions, to Worship God means to Trust and Obey God's Law — His teachings and commandments. Of course, In Scripture, cursed are those who put their trust in men so it makes no sense to come back at me with statements like "Well, you obey your mother so that means you worship her." That won't work in this case at all. Anyways, I worship Jesus Christ means I live my life in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments which constitute God's Law. Jesus Christ is God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God, and God's Law is God. Pretty much the same way YHWH is God's Law in the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan

Firstly, you can trace the history of holy state of Israel back to the days of king Solomon who was a powerful king. But suddenly the state collapsed after his death. They yearned God to restore their former glory so that's why God promised them a Messiah.

Secondly u can go and do your research about the attribute of messiah according to the scriptures.

Thirdly u still didn't quote a single verse from your Bible where Jesus ask u Christians to worship him.

Kobojunkie:
1. The israelites never really did achieve the golden age before they were eventually destroyed by God of Israel so why the interesting choice of word — Restore?

2. You didn't answer the question. Where are these qualities and attributes of the Messiah that mandate that He could not be born of God's curse or die carrying God's curse stipulated? WHERE?

3. Well, in Scripture, as opposed to your other religions, to Worship God means to Trust and Obey God's Law — His teachings and commandments. Of course, In Scripture, cursed are those who put their trust in men so it makes no sense to come back at me with statements like "Well, you obey your mother so that means you worship her." That won't work in this case at all. Anyways, I worship Jesus Christ means I live my life in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments which constitute God's Law. Jesus Christ is God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God, and God's Law is God. Pretty much the same way YHWH is God's Law in the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan

Ahmadusmanu:
∆ Firstly, you can trace the history of holy state of Israel back to the days of king Solomon who was a powerful king. But suddenly the state collapsed after his death. They yearned God to restore their former glory so that's why God promised them a Messiah.
Secondly u can go and do your research about the attribute of messiah according to the scriptures.
Thirdly u still didn't quote a single verse from your Bible where Jesus ask u Christians to worship him.

1. If by "collapse" you mean division of the state into two, well, that happened because of Solomon. So, again when was this golden age?!

2. It seems to me you have never in fact read the history for yourself as the clams you make aren't contained anywhere in the history of the people of Israel. Since the time of Adam, everyone born into this one is born via God's curse on mankind - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24 - and into a cursed existence. Jesus Christ, from the moment He was conceived became a part of that curse. For Him to the be burdened with yet another of God's curse was big deal.

Your idea of the Messiah seems to come from a warped narrative fed you by people equally ignorant of the information contained in Scripture.

3. Again, I am not a Christian. And I already explained to you how and why I worship In Jesus Christ. If you look in the Gospels you will find that Jesus Christ explained that those who love Him are those who trust and obey Him. So read the book and find wisdom for yourself.