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| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 1:39pm On May 09 |
honesttalk21:In that case,‘you are saying that all your mosques that have crescent moon and star at the top of their minarets are not Islamic mosques? Red Crescent doesn’t represent Islam ? All your Eid greetings that display crescent moon and stars do not represent Islam? Dey play. Gbajue Taqiyya master
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| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by AntiisIam(m): 1:53pm On May 09 |
honesttalk21: See your life again, shey if you don't lie for allah in a day you'll die? |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by AntiisIam(m): 1:54pm On May 09 |
advocatejare: honesttalk21 taqqiya knowledge is more than that of Muhammad |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 2:11pm On May 09 |
AntiisIam:They have learnt deceptions from the master gbajue himself, Qutham aka Abu Qasim, devil’s firstborn child |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 2:56pm On May 09 |
advocatejare: You base your argument on a common design and show your emptiness in your inability to prove by valid literature your ridiculous claims. Indeed discussions with you are useless. Valid reference you have none and you are showing your ignorance about. Get educated. |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 4:27pm On May 09 |
honesttalk21:Gbajue, you refer to as a common design the symbol of your god that you have all over your mosques, Sallah greetings etc You are obviously very dumb than imagined! |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 10:34am On May 10 |
advocatejare: Do you insist there aren't any mosques without this design or greetings without this design. Seems you also imply verbal greetings have this design. Tell me where is the crescent at the Kaaba? |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by Lawag3: 10:53am On May 10 |
AbuTwins: There is proof of the Trinity in the Bible. Even in the new testament |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by Lawag3: 10:55am On May 10 |
AbuTwins: Is there proof of this in the Quran? |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by AbuTwins: 11:45am On May 10 |
Lawag3: Proof of what? |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by AbuTwins: 12:08pm On May 10 |
Lawag3: Show it! |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 3:48pm On May 10 |
honesttalk21:Are you denying that your mosques have the moon and stars image at the top of their minarets? Are you saying that the mosques that have it are not for Muslims? If the images don’t matter, can they put the image of the cross at the top of your mosque and your idol Allah won’t get angry and send his jihadists to burn down such mosques? |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 5:05pm On May 10 |
advocatejare: The symbol of the cross has long been associated with Christianity at least since the 4th century. The bell was not considered to call Muslims to prayer. I await your answer to the question of a crescent sign at the Kaaba. Show this if your gibberish is not but that.
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| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 9:17pm On May 10 |
honesttalk21:Show us any fatwa against use of crescent moon and star as the symbol of Islam |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 9:45am On May 12 |
advocatejare: honesttalk21: |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by Baatunde(m): 2:02pm On May 12 |
I am amazed at the level of ignorance of you people about even your own religion, nevertheless educate you we shall, that is if you have the capability to be educated. First I will quote you the verses from the Quran below and you will tell me if they were written or dictated by Shaytaan [2:34] And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam they did obeisance, but Iblis (did it not). He refused and he was proud, and he was one of the unbelievers. [2:168] O men! Eat the lawful and good things out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy. [2:169] He only enjoins you evil and indecency, and that you may speak against Allah what you do not know [2:208] O you who believe! enter into submission one and all and do not follow the footsteps of Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy. [2:268] Shaitan threatens you with poverty and enjoins you to be niggardly, and Allah promises you forgiveness from Himself and abundance; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing. [4:117] They do not call besides Him on anything but idols, and they do not call on anything but a rebellious Shaitan. [4:118] Allah has cursed him; and he said: Most certainly I will take of Thy servants an appointed portion: [4:119] And most certainly I will lead them astray and excite in them vain desires, and bid them so that they shall slit the ears of the cattle, and most certainly I will bid them so that they shall alter Allah's creation; and whoever takes the Shaitan for a guardian rather than Allah he indeed shall suffer a manifest loss. [4:120] He gives them promises and excites vain desires in them; and the Shaitan does not promise them but to deceive. [4:121] These are they whose abode is hell, and they shall not find any refuge from it. [7:27] O children of Adam! Let not the Shaitan cause you to fall into affliction as he expelled your parents from the garden, pulling off from them both their clothing that he might show them their evil inclinations, he surely sees you, he as well as his host, from whence you cannot see them; surely We have made the Shaitans to be the guardians of those who do not believe. [15:28] And when your Lord said to the angels: Surely I am going to create a mortal of the essence of black mud fashioned in shape. [15:29] So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of My spirit, fall down making obeisance to him. [15:30] So the angels made obeisance, all of them together, [15:31] But Iblis (did it not); he refused to be with those who made obeisance. [15:32] He said: O Iblis! What excuse have you that you are not with those who make obeisance? [15:33] He said: I am not such that I should make obeisance to a mortal whom Thou hast created of the essence of black mud fashioned in shape. [15:34] He said: Then get out of it, for surely you are driven away: [15:35] And surely on you is curse until the day of judgment. [15:36] He said: My Lord! Then respite me till the time when they are raised. [15:37] He said: So surely you are of the respited ones [15:38] Till the period of the time made known. [15:39] He said: My Lord! Because Thou hast made life evil to me, I will certainly make (evil) fair-seeming to them on earth, and I will certainly cause them all to deviate [15:40] Except Thy servants from among them, the devoted ones. [15:41] He said: This is a right way with Me: [15:42] Surely, As regards My servants, you have no authority ,over them except those who follow you of the deviators. [15:43] And surely Hell is the promised place of them all: [16:99] Surely he (shaitan) has no authority over those who believe and rely on their Lord. [16:100] His authority is only over those who befriend him (Shaitan) and those who associate others with Him (Allah). [17:53] And say to My servants (that) they speak that which is best; surely the Shaitan sows dissensions among them; surely the Shaitan is an open enemy to man. [17:61] And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam; they made obeisance, but Iblis (did it not). He said: Shall I make obeisance to him whom Thou hast created of dust? [17:62] He said: Tell me, is this he whom Thou hast honored above me? If Thou shouldst respite me to the day of resurrection, I will most certainly cause his progeny to perish except a few. [17:63] He said: Be gone! For whoever of them will follow you, then surely hell is your recompense, a full recompense: [17:64] And beguile whomsoever of them you can with your voice, and collect against them your forces riding and on foot, and share with them in wealth and children, and hold out promises to them; and the Shaitan makes not promises to them but to deceive: [17:65] Surely (as for) My servants, you have no authority over them; and your Lord is sufficient as a Protector. [ [18:50] And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam; they made obeisance but Iblis (did it not). He was of the jinn, so he transgressed the commandment of his Lord. What! Would you then take him and his offspring for friends rather than Me, and they are your enemies? Evil is (this) change for the unjust. [22:3] And among men there is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge and follows every rebellious Shaitan; [22:4] Against him it is written down that whoever takes him (Shaitan) for a friend, he shall lead him astray and conduct him to the chastisement of the burning fire. [22:52] And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise, [22:53] So that He may make what the Shaitan casts a trial for those in whose hearts is disease and those whose hearts are hard; and most surely the unjust are in a great opposition, [26:221] Shall I inform you (of him) upon whom the Shaitans descend? [26:222] They descend upon every lying, sinful one, [26:223] They incline their ears, and most of them are liars. [26:224] And as to the poets, those who go astray follow them. [26:225] Do you not see that they wander about bewildered in every valley? [26:226] And that they say that which they do not do, [34:20] And certainly the Shaitan found true his conjecture concerning them, so they (wretched) follow him, except a party of the believers. [34:21] And he has no authority over them, but that We may distinguish him who believes in the hereafter from him who is in doubt concerning it; and your Lord is the Preserver of all things [35:5] O men! Surely the promise of Allah is true, therefore let not the life of this world deceive you, and let not the arch-deceiver (Iblis) deceive you respecting Allah. [35:6] Surely the Shaitan is your enemy, so take him for an enemy; he only invites his party that they may be inmates of the burning fire. [36:59] And get aside today (at Qayamah), O guilty ones! [36:60] Did I not charge you, O children of Adam! That you should not serve the Shaitan? Surely he is your open enemy, [36:61] And that you should serve Me; this is the right way. [36:62] And certainly he led astray numerous people from among you. What! could you not then understand? [37:6] Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars, [37:7] And (there is) a safeguard against every rebellious Shaitan. [37:8] They cannot listen to the exalted assembly and they are thrown at from every side, [37:9] Being driven off (from the heavens), and for them is a perpetual chastisement, [37:10] Except him who snatches off but once, then there follows him a brightly shining flame (bolt) [37:11] Then ask them whether they (demons) are stronger in creation or those (others) whom We have created. Surely We created them of firm clay. [38:71] When your Lord said to the angels; Surely I am going to create a mortal from dust: [38:72] So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down making obeisance to him. [38:73] And the angels did obeisance, all of them, [38:74] But not Iblis: he was proud and he was one of the unbelievers. [38:75] He said: O Iblis! What prevented you that you should do obeisance to him whom I created with My two hands? Are you proud or are you of the exalted ones? [38:76] He said: I am better than he; Thou hast created me of fire, and him Thou didst create of dust. [38:77] He said: Then get out of it, for surely you are driven away: [38:78] And surely My curse is on you to the day of judgment. [38:79] He said: My Lord! Then respite me to the day that they are raised. [38:80] He said: Surely you are of the respited ones, [38:81] Till the period of the time made known. [38:82] He said: Then by Thy Might I will surely make them live an evil life, all, [38:83] Except Thy servants from among them, the purified ones. [38:84] He said: The truth then is and the truth do I speak: [38:85] That I (Allah) will most certainly fill hell with you (Iblis) and with those among them who follow you, all. [41:36] And if an interference of the Shaitan should cause you mischief, seek refuge in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing. [43:36] And whoever turns himself away from the remembrance of the Beneficent Allah, We appoint for him a Shaitan, so he becomes his associate. [43:37] And most surely they (shaitans) turn them away from the path, and they think that they are guided aright: [43:38] Until when he comes to Us, he says: O would that between me and you there were the distance of the East and the West; so evil is the associate! [43:62] And let not the Shaitan prevent you (from Sirat Al-Mustaqeem); surely he is your open enemy. [58:10] Secret counsels are only (the work) of the Shaitan that he may cause to grieve those who believe, and he cannot hurt them in the least except with Allah's permission, and on Allah let the believers rely. [59:16] Like the Shaitan when he says to man: Disbelieve, but when he disbelieves, he says: I am surely clear of you; surely I fear Allah, the Lord of the worlds. If indeed Shaytaan is the author of the Quran then he has done a very poor job of selling himself in 'his' book. Now let me address your ignorance with what paganism is and how it abounds in your religion that you call Christianity advocatejare: |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by Baatunde(m): 3:27pm On May 12 |
Since people are obsessed with symbols let us ask what is the origin of the cross as a symbol of Christianity, is it because of the supposed death of Jesus on the Cross, no it cannot be because "his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt surely bury him the same day; for he that is hanged is accursed of God; that thou defile not thy land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee for an inheritance" (Deut 21:23). However the Ankh later adapted by Coptic Christian as the Crux Ansata is an Egyptian symbol predating Christianity by a millennium and used to symbolize life. You will find the Ankh in most Egyptian hieroglyphics being held by the people the same way a typical christian exorcist hold the cross. What an influence the old religions and mythologies have had on present day christianity! If an IFA worshipper calls on Olodumare and a Christian prays that " Edumare gba wa o" ( meaning edumare save us) would you say the Christian is ion the same category as the IFA guy. Allah is the name of the Almighty and even pagans knew him by that name so what is the problem. Even commentators of your Bible like DD Schofield in his commentary of the AV alluded to the similarity between Allah and El'lah which is a dimnutive of the Hebrew word for God. As for the Kaaba, you can question whether Abraham built it or not because of the limited information in your books. What is not in doubt however is that Abraham was widely traveled and was in Egypt and then in Palestine. Now check you current world map and see if it is impossible to have passed the Arabian pennisula in between this journeys. OF course the Kaaba was corrupted with pagan worship long after Abraham and that was why Prophet Muhammad was raised to clear if of idolatry Now back to your Christianity: 1. the idea of a divine logos propounded in John 1:1 is a copy of the ideas of a Jewish Philosopher called Philo of Alexandria who lived decades before the book of John was written. 2. Your doctrine of Trinity is adopted from pagan ideas which are centuries older than the advent of Jesus and was hotly opposed by the Unitarians who unfortunately were not in favour with the authorities back then. The Nicean Creed overseen by formery pagan Emperor Constantine formally ratified the Trinity as an official doctrine of the church. The Hindus have in centuries before Christianity believe in the Holy Trinity, where Brahma is the Creator and Supreme Heavenly Father (Param Pita) of the Universe, Vishnu (ParBrahman)is the Son and ever changing Avatar(reincarnation) of God, Shiva (Param Atma or Parmatma) is the Holy Spirit or Supreme Soul. I can provide you multiple other examples from Greek , Persian, Egyptian, Nordic histories which are much older than Christianity, where there are plenty examples of Trinity of three deities. This similarity to your own Trinity is not a coincidence and therefore your believe rank on the same pedestal as those of Hindus, whatever name you will call them. You can therefore see which religion has been influenced by paganism instead. 3.Influence of paganism in your religion is not limited to Trinity, the concept of Easter and Christmas all arose from pagan practices https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-pagan-roots-of-christmas https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-pagan-roots-of-easter
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| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 4:17pm On May 12 |
Baatunde:Your task is simple, you don’t need all these gibberish to try and confuse people just show us any fatwa against use of crescent moon and star as the symbol of Islam |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 4:22pm On May 12 |
Baatunde:This single verse exposes the inconsistency in your Quran and islam. How will Allah ask the angels to prostrate/make obeisance to Adam when the same Allah claim that he alone is worthy of worship? Why should the angels and Iblis worship Adam? And why did the Quran refer to Iblees as unbeliever for refusing to prostrate? Was he among the angels? Was the instructions not to the angels? |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 8:15pm On May 12 |
advocatejare: Is the obeisance or prostration to Adam worship? Is this not a direct command to the angels from Allah? Quran 7:12 Allah asked, “What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?” He (Satan/Iblis) replied, “I am better than he is: You created me from fire and him from clay.” You are hoping unto a new argument haven failed to show the crescent sign on the Kaaba in a bid to justify your false claims |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 9:53pm On May 12 |
honesttalk21:Go and ask your ahlu sunnah brothers and sisters who forbid prostrating or kneeling down as a form of greetings even to their parents and ask them for the reason Is Satan/Iblis an Angel or a Jinn according to your Quran?
And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam", so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers. -Quran 2:34 So if Iblees is not an angel why did the Quran say all other angels except Iblees prostated (Satan)? You have failed to show me the fatwa that states that using Crescent and moon as the symbol of Islam and at the top of your mosques is haram! |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 10:01pm On May 12 |
advocatejare: Your request for a fatwa is your diversion haven failed to answer the below honesttalk21: The silly tactics you use when caught in your own web of falsehood and mischief. |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 12:38pm On May 13 |
honesttalk21:Check the picture below the you will see the crescent in your Kaaba
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| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 1:00pm On May 13 |
Sadly you do not discern that what you posted and appear to have highlighted is not part of the Kaaba or is it a part of the black cube? Secondly share your image source if you are so sure of yourself. advocatejare: Again you misplace your English language. Is what you refer to in the Kaaba? |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 1:31pm On May 13 |
honesttalk21:You are more dumb than I thought. It is the practice to put the crescent moon at the top of the minarets of your mosques, the highest point. Does the Kaaba have minarets? Is the Kaaba not within Masjid Al-Haram? Doesn’t the minarets of Masjid Al-Haram have crescent moon at the top? I have attached more photos for you to cure you of your ignorance? Go and look at the minarets of your Masjid Al-Haram which houses the Kaaba which is the house of your pagan god Allah Finally, is the Kaaba a Masjid/Mosque. Yes or No?
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| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 8:33pm On May 13 |
advocatejare: Very true indeed. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Minarets are not part of the Kaaba. The Kaaba is a sacred structure located in the center of the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It is a cube-shaped building that serves as the focal point for Islamic prayers and pilgrimages. The Kaaba itself does not have any minarets attached to it. Minarets around the mosques or kaaba are tall towers typically found adjacent to these worship centres, from which the call to prayer (adhan) is traditionally made by a muezzin. These structures serve as important landmarks and symbols in Islam, but they are separate from the central structure of the mosque, such as the Kaaba. You should be ashamed and be quiet while you reflect. |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 8:52pm On May 13 |
honesttalk21:You are very dumb. I told you that your mosques minarets have crescent moon at the top but you asked the foolish question that does the Kaaba have the crescent moon. That is why I’m asking you if the Kaaba is a mosque and if it has minarets I’ve shown you that the mosque that houses the Kaaba, Masjid Al-haram has crescent moon at the top of its minarets, you can continue your crying with the pictures I’ve shown you! |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by gaskiyamagana: 9:16pm On May 13 |
advocatejare:Moronical interpretation of Kalimat-sh-Shahadah. |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by advocatejare(m): 9:23pm On May 13 |
gaskiyamagana:Who doesn’t know that you and Muhammad are morons? |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by honesttalk21: 9:42pm On May 13 |
advocatejare: You are confused. Is the crescent the sign of Islam, on the mosque or minaret? Which question are you really pretending to ask? advocatejare: Hope you enjoy your play? advocatejare: You have been educated that the crescent or moon is neither a sign of Islam or part of the requirement for a mosque? Perhaps you will turn your attention to the clocks above which the crescent lies on the minarets. Does Minaret seem like a mosque or your desperation to lie and slander the truth. |
| Re: Valid Questions To Expose World’s Number One False Religion by Michael547(m): 9:50pm On May 13 |
advocatejare:Hello sir, you are yet to tell us the location or name of the group that you said has all the criteria of a true religion. Can we know it now sir? |
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