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Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:37pm On May 03
AbuTwins:

I can't even compare Jesus to all those you are comparing to our Prophet!

Guy they claim prophet too so if you don't want to compare them with Jesus then don't compare your muhammed with Jesus. Period! smiley
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Aemmyjah(m): 2:52pm On May 03
AbuTwins:


The capture 32 virgins the Lord's tribute!



Where did i lie? Please show it?

Well
As a Muhammadan, a virgin to you should be someone less than 6 years shey
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by AbuTwins: 3:00pm On May 03
Aemmyjah:


Well
As a Muhammadan, a virgin to you should be someone less than 6 years shey

I no be Muhammadan!
I be Muslim!
Stop the lie!
Call me what is in the Qur'an appropriately!

How was the virginity test done to get virgins for your Lord grin?
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by AbuTwins: 3:15pm On May 03
MaxInDHouse:


Guy they claim prophet too so if you don't want to compare them with Jesus then don't compare your muhammed with Jesus. Period! smiley

Muhammad's legacy still exists in Saudi Arabia!

Israel only inherited the violence of the Old testament!

The Qur'an existed during Muhammad's era! He did proof-read it many times!

The Bible especially the NT was written mostly by unknown figures decades later after Jesus!

Israel has more Muslims than Christians in population!

How can you compare?
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Aemmyjah(m): 3:15pm On May 03
AbuTwins:


I no be Muhammadan!
I be Muslim!
Stop the lie!
Call me what is in the Qur'an appropriately!

How was the virginity test done to get virgins for your Lord grin?


By picking 6 year olds like Muhammad did na
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:18pm On May 03
AbuTwins:

Muhammad's legacy still exists in Saudi Arabia!
Israel only inherited the violence of the Old testament! The Qur'an existed during Muhammad's era! He did proof-read it many times! The Bible especially the NT was written mostly by unknown figures decades later after Jesus! Israel has more Muslims than Christians in population! How can you compare?

Guy prophet nah prophet as long as some people believe in them.
So it's your own opinion that disqualify others not a general view applicable to everyone.
If you want to claim that Muhammad is also a prophet of God then no discrimination all those claiming prophets are also prophets in their own realm!
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by AbuTwins: 3:54pm On May 03
MaxInDHouse:


Guy prophet nah prophet as long as some people believe in them.
So it's your own opinion that disqualify others not a general view applicable to everyone.
If you want to claim that Muhammad is also a prophet of God then no discrimination all those claiming prophets are also prophets in their own realm!

We have definition for Messengers and Prophets in Islam!

1. All Messengers are Prophets but not all Prophets are messengers!
2. A Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people (e.g. Noah, Lot, Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad, etc, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the laws of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them.

“Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah’s Will, judged for the Jews” [Al-Maa’idah 5:44]

How does your T.B Joshua qualify here?

So who is a Prophet from the Bible?
And show us how Charles Taze Russell qualifies?
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:37pm On May 03
AbuTwins:

We have definition for Messengers and Prophets in Islam!

The highlighted has said it all in Islam so your criteria doesn't apply to all religions.

AbuTwins:

So who is a Prophet from the Bible?
And show us how Charles Taze Russell qualifies?
Charles Taze Russell can only be a prophet if you agree with me that all those claiming prophets are prophets too but if not then count him out! smiley
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by AbuTwins: 4:52pm On May 03
MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted has said it all in Islam so your criteria doesn't apply to all religions.


Charles Taze Russell can only be a prophet if you agree with me that all those claiming prophets are prophets too but if not then count him out! smiley

You just edited whatever you want here!
Na so JW deceit be?
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:01pm On May 03
AbuTwins:

You just edited whatever you want here!
Na so JW deceit be?
Deceit that uprooted hatred from the minds of millions throughout the earth so that they no longer raised weapons against anyone because of their love for God and humanity. Isaiah 2:2-4

Such deceit is beneficial my guy! smiley
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by AbuTwins: 9:40pm On May 03
MaxInDHouse:

Deceit that uprooted hatred from the minds of millions throughout the earth so that they no longer raised weapons against anyone because of their love for God and humanity. Isaiah 2:2-4

Such deceit is beneficial my guy! smiley

But you still excommunicate yourselves according to the whims of the Governing council who are your Jehovah!
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:45am On May 04
AbuTwins:

But you still excommunicate yourselves according to the whims of the Governing council who are your Jehovah!

Excommunication is a disciplinary action against disobedient ones that's the evidence of unity among adherents one who is excommunicated is like a quarantined sickler who shouldn't be allowed to infect others.
That's where wisdom comes in because your Allah can't see such beneficial provisions so instead of doing that to remove disobedient ones they form a group and start their own religion in the name of the same Allah after all what matters most is bowing to the black stone in Mecca then when disagreement set in you people pick up weapons against one another in the name of the same Allah! Revelations 6:3-4

Once someone has been excommunicated in JW he or she becomes a fugitive JEHOVAH'S spirit is so powerful that the excommunicated ones can never ever form another religion rather they will forever remain disassociated nothing can united them talkless thinking about worship.

That's the spirit of JEHOVAH in action! smiley
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by AbuTwins: 10:29am On May 04
MaxInDHouse:


Excommunication is a disciplinary action against disobedient ones that's the evidence of unity among adherents one who is excommunicated is like a quarantined sickler who shouldn't be allowed to infect others.
That's where wisdom comes in because your Allah can't see such beneficial provisions so instead of doing that to remove disobedient ones they form a group and start their own religion in the name of the same Allah after all what matters most is bowing to the black stone in Mecca then when disagreement set in you people pick up weapons against one another in the name of the same Allah! Revelations 6:3-4

Once someone has been excommunicated in JW he or she becomes a fugitive JEHOVAH'S spirit is so powerful that the excommunicated ones can never ever form another religion rather they will forever remain disassociated nothing can united them talkless thinking about worship.

That's the spirit of JEHOVAH in action! smiley

Is this what the governing body of Jehovah witness in USA told you?
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:38am On May 04
AbuTwins:

Is this what the governing body of Jehovah witness in USA told you?

That's what the Bible teaches!

God excommunicated Adam and Eve after the incident in Eden, He excommunicated Kung Saul after his unrepentant attitude so excommunication is Biblical.

The only difference now is that when someone is excommunicated he or she can repent and regain God's approval based on the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus but excommunication is our God's way of dealing with sinners who feels they're above the law! smiley
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Ohyoudidnt: 11:02am On May 04
MaxInDHouse:


That's what the Bible teaches!

God excommunicated Adam and Eve after the incident in Eden, He excommunicated Kung Saul after his unrepentant attitude so excommunication is Biblical.

The only difference now is that when someone is excommunicated he or she can repent and regain God's approval based on the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus but excommunication is our God's way of dealing with sinners who feels they're above the law! smiley

God showed compassion by providing them with garments made from animal skins (Genesis 3:21).

When Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden, God made them tunics and clothed them(Genesis 3:21).

Remember that they have a righteous son whose name was Abel (Hebrews 11:4). It would have been difficult for Abel to become righteous and faithful if he wasn’t taught by his parents.

Moreover, the fact that Abel and Cain made sacrifices means that Adam and Eve could have also continued bringing offerings and sacrifices to God. Where did Cain and Abel learn about sacrifice and how to conduct same?
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:35am On May 04
Ohyoudidnt:

Where did Cain and Abel learn about sacrifice and how to conduct same?

After the excommunication Adam and Eve lived close to the garden from which they were driven out so their children noticed that Adam and Eve must have really annoyed the owner of that beautiful garden before He could send them out that's why they thought of appeasing the owner of that garden through gifts.

As for virtue there was nowhere they could learn what is good or bad since no laws were given so they were both living by their God's given conscience with the mindset that one day the owner of that garden may change His mind and call them back in.

What God told Eve was misunderstood because Eve thought it's her son/child that will destroy the deceiver who misled her {Genesis 3:15} that's what she narrated to Cain her first child so after Cain realized that the owner of that garden was pleased with Abel's offer he decided to kill Abel as he doesn't want Abel to claim his glory through what he himself initiated. So Cain was politically ambitious that was what God warned him against.

But as for the couple God never said a word to them again until their death as they decided to take side with the slanderer who told them that God is a liar!
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Ohyoudidnt: 12:11pm On May 04
MaxInDHouse:


After the excommunication Adam and Eve lived close to the garden from which they were driven out so their children noticed that Adam and Eve must have really annoyed the owner of that beautiful garden before He could send them out that's why they thought of appeasing the owner of that garden through gifts.

As for virtue there was nowhere they could learn what is good or bad since no laws were given so they were both living by their God's given conscience with the mindset that one day the owner of that garden may change His mind and call them back in.

What God told Eve was misunderstood because Eve thought it's her son/child that will destroy the deceiver who misled her {Genesis 3:15} that's what she narrated to Cain her first child so after Cain realized that the owner of that garden was pleased with Abel's offer he decided to kill Abel as he doesn't want Abel to claim his glory through what he himself initiated. So Cain was politically ambitious that was what God warned him against.

But as for the couple God never said a word to them again until their death as they decided to take side with the slanderer who told them that God is a liar!

The Quran fills the gap about Adam and Eve seeking forgiveness. It provides a detailed narrative about Adam and Eve seeking forgiveness for their disobedience to God.

The he story of Adam and Eve seeking forgiveness is a powerful lesson in humility, repentance, and divine mercy. After realizing their mistake, Adam and Eve felt remorse and shame for their actions. They turned to Allah in sincere repentance, acknowledging their weakness and seeking His forgiveness. In Surah Al-A'raf, verse 23, Adam and Eve express their remorse and seek forgiveness from Allah, saying: "Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers."

The sin of Adam was forgiven by Allah, and the expulsion from Paradise can be seen as part of God’s plan for humanity.


God by your Bible called out to them, "Where are you?" This question was not for God's benefit, as he already knew where they were, but rather to prompt them to come forward and confess their wrongdoing.

When Adam and Eve finally presented themselves before God, he addressed them with a mixture of disappointment and sorrow. He asked them why they had eaten from the tree, knowing that it was forbidden. He explained the consequences of their actions, including the pain of childbirth for Eve and the toil of working the land for Adam.

Despite their disobedience, God did not abandon them. He made garments of skin to cover their unclothedness and protect them from the elements.

In his speech to Adam and Eve, God showed both justice and mercy. He held them accountable for their actions but also provided a way for redemption and reconciliation. This story serves as a reminder of the consequences of disobeying God and the importance of repentance and seeking forgiveness.

God's speech to Adam and Eve after they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is a powerful example of God's love for his creation and his willingness to forgive those who have strayed from his path. It is a story of hope and redemption, despite the consequences of sin.
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:46pm On May 04
Ohyoudidnt:

The Quran fills the gap about Adam and Eve seeking forgiveness. It provides a detailed narrative about Adam and Eve seeking forgiveness for their disobedience to God.
That book (Quran) has nothing to do with God so if you believe in it i'm sorry for you.

Adam and Eve has been destroyed forever they will never be remembered during the resurrection of the dead. All the untold suffering mankind is experiencing till today is their doing. There is no forgiveness for them because the moment they supposed to ask for it they both transferred the blame instead of admitting their blunders.
They are the worst killers ever in the history of mankind without their blunders death, sickness and others won't have been mankind's problem if not for these two criminals.
So if you're depending on what that Arab book says ọmọ i pity you!
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Ohyoudidnt: 4:25pm On May 04
MaxInDHouse:

That book (Quran) has nothing to do with God so if you believe in it i'm sorry for you.

Adam and Eve has been destroyed forever they will never be remembered during the resurrection of the dead. All the untold suffering mankind is experiencing till today is their doing. There is no forgiveness for them because the moment they supposed to ask for it they both transferred the blame instead of admitting their blunders.
They are the worst killers ever in the history of mankind without their blunders death, sickness and others won't have been mankind's problem if not for these two criminals.
So if you're depending on what that Arab book says ọmọ i pity you!

Says the mouthpiece of God or the god called MaxinDHouse.

God didn't create Adam and Eve for everlasting doom.

What proof have you that the Quran is not from Allah?

The linguistic uniqueness, fulfilled prophecies, scientific accuracy, spiritual impact, and preservation are evidence that the Quran is indeed a divine revelation from Allah.
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:26pm On May 04
Ohyoudidnt:

Says the mouthpiece of God or the god called MaxinDHouse.
God didn't create Adam and Eve for everlasting doom.
What proof have you that the Quran is not from Allah?
The linguistic uniqueness, fulfilled prophecies, scientific accuracy, spiritual impact, and preservation are evidence that the Quran is indeed a divine revelation from Allah.

So it's mankind that God created for suffering, sickness and death?

Guy Adam and Eve put mankind through all these suffering so if your Qur'an says otherwise keep whatever it says your Allah is not the same as our God so it's book has nothing to do with our God!
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Ohyoudidnt: 10:15pm On May 04
MaxInDHouse:


So it's mankind that God created for suffering, sickness and death?

Guy Adam and Eve put mankind through all these suffering so if your Qur'an says otherwise keep whatever it says your Allah is not the same as our God so it's book has nothing to do with our God!

Fortunately we are not a party to a false concept of inheriting an original sin. Each person is responsible for his or her own sin and not another's.

Why should you share the blame of the sin of a parent who sinned before you and never consulted or made you a companion in committing the sin.

How rational is it to inherit a sin you were no part of? Fantastic law!
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:29am On May 05
Ohyoudidnt:

Fortunately we are not a party to a false concept of inheriting an original sin. Each person is responsible for his or her own sin and not another's. Why should you share the blame of the sin of a parent who sinned before you and never consulted or made you a companion in committing the sin. How rational is it to inherit a sin you were no part of? Fantastic law!

What is the explanation your Allah has for Suffering, sickness and Death?
Why is there injustice?
Why wars?
Why food shortages?
Why inflation?

The Bible answered "it's due to INHERITED SIN"

What says your Allah if it's truly the Creator as your book claims. smiley
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Ohyoudidnt: 5:11pm On May 05
MaxInDHouse:


What is the explanation your Allah has for Suffering, sickness and Death?
Why is there injustice?
Why wars?
Why food shortages?
Why inflation?

The Bible answered "it's due to INHERITED SIN"

What says your Allah if it's truly the Creator as your book claims. smiley

Q29:2-3: “Do the people think that they will be left to say ‘We believe’ without being put to the test? We have certainly tested those before them so that Allah will distinguish those who are truthful

Q30:41: “Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by [reason of] what the hands of people have earned so He may let them taste part of [the consequence of] what they have done that perhaps they will return [to righteousness]


Q2:155: “And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient.

Q2:216: “But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not

In the challenges Joseph passed through before his exalted position was there cruelly and injustice?

Oh people perish due to lack of knowledge and indeed mankind knows nothing compared to God
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:24pm On May 05
Ohyoudidnt:


Q29:2-3: “Do the people think that they will be left to say ‘We believe’ without being put to the test? We have certainly tested those before them so that Allah will distinguish those who are truthful

Q30:41: “Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by [reason of] what the hands of people have earned so He may let them taste part of [the consequence of] what they have done that perhaps they will return [to righteousness]


Q2:155: “And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient.

Q2:216: “But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not

In the challenges Joseph passed through before his exalted position was there cruelly and injustice?

Oh people perish due to lack of knowledge and indeed mankind knows nothing compared to God

Why can't you answer straightforward?

Well i'm used to your cleric's system of things so i will set it straight:

Is it that your Allah just want to test people with sickness, suffering and death of their loved ones?
Is that your Allah's explanation for those evil things? undecided
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Ohyoudidnt: 10:10pm On May 05
MaxInDHouse:


Why can't you answer straightforward?

Well i'm used to your cleric's system of things so i will set it straight:

Is it that your Allah just want to test people with sickness, suffering and death of their loved ones?
Is that your Allah's explanation for those evil things? undecided

Have you ever heard or read? Doctors care God heals.

When you recover from an ailment would you say so and so doctor healed me, this drug healed me or this pastor or Alfa healed me?

Q26:80
And He ˹alone˺ heals me when I am sick.

Q17:82
And We send down of the Quran that which is healing and mercy for the believers

Quran 16:68-69: “And your Lord inspired the bee, ‘Take for yourself among the mountains, houses, and among the trees and [in] that which they construct. Then eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you].’ There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing for people. Indeed, in that is a sign for a people who give thought.”

In these verses from Surah An-Nahl (The Bee), Allah describes how He inspired the bee to build its hives in various locations such as mountains, trees, and human habitations. The bees are instructed to gather nectar from different sources and produce honey. The honey produced by bees contains healing properties and serves as a beneficial substance for humans.


Are we still talking about the Kaaba?

Perhaps you can open your thread
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Ohyoudidnt: 10:20pm On May 05
MaxInDHouse:


Why can't you answer straightforward?

Well i'm used to your cleric's system of things so i will set it straight:

Is it that your Allah just want to test people with sickness, suffering and death of their loved ones?
Is that your Allah's explanation for those evil things? undecided

Have you ever heard or read? Doctors care God heals.

When you recover from an ailment would you say so and so doctor healed me, this drug healed me or this pastor or Alfa healed me?

Q26:80
And He ˹alone˺ heals me when I am sick.

Q17:82
And We send down of the Quran that which is healing and mercy for the believers

Quran 16:68-69: “And your Lord inspired the bee, ‘Take for yourself among the mountains, houses, and among the trees and [in] that which they construct. Then eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you].’ There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing for people. Indeed, in that is a sign for a people who give thought.”

In these verses from Surah An-Nahl (The Bee), Allah describes how He inspired the bee to build its hives in various locations such as mountains, trees, and human habitations. The bees are instructed to gather nectar from different sources and produce honey. The honey produced by bees contains healing properties and serves as a beneficial substance for humans.


Are we still talking about the Kaaba?

Perhaps you can open your thread
MaxInDHouse:


What is the explanation your Allah has for Suffering, sickness and Death?
Why is there injustice?
Why wars?
Why food shortages?
Why inflation?

The Bible answered "it's due to INHERITED SIN"

What says your Allah if it's truly the Creator as your book claims. smiley

You asked for Allah's explanation and I provide you with the words of Allah from the Quran. That is translation of the meaning
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:12am On May 06
Ohyoudidnt:

Have you ever heard or read? Doctors care God heals. When you recover from an ailment would you say so and so doctor healed me, this drug healed me or this pastor or Alfa healed me?
Q26:80
And He ˹alone˺ heals me when I am sick.
Q17:82
And We send down of the Quran that which is healing and mercy for the believers
Quran 16:68-69: “And your Lord inspired the bee, ‘Take for yourself among the mountains, houses, and among the trees and [in] that which they construct. Then eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you].’ There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing for people. Indeed, in that is a sign for a people who give thought.”
In these verses from Surah An-Nahl (The Bee), Allah describes how He inspired the bee to build its hives in various locations such as mountains, trees, and human habitations. The bees are instructed to gather nectar from different sources and produce honey. The honey produced by bees contains healing properties and serves as a beneficial substance for humans.
Are we still talking about the Kaaba?
Perhaps you can open your thread
You asked for Allah's explanation and I provide you with the words of Allah from the Quran. That is translation of the meaning

I want a simple YES or NO

Allah is using all the suffering, sicknesses and death of loved ones to test people.

YES or NO.


Afterwards you can present your quotes and explanation! smiley
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by AbuTwins: 6:28am On May 06
MaxInDHouse:


That's what the Bible teaches!

God excommunicated Adam and Eve after the incident in Eden, He excommunicated Kung Saul after his unrepentant attitude so excommunication is Biblical.


So you're God's partners in excommunication!
Show us where God's people were told to excommunicate one another!

The only difference now is that when someone is excommunicated he or she can repent and regain God's approval based on the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus but excommunication is our God's way of dealing with sinners who feels they're above the law! smiley
Where did Jesus told you to excommunicate one another? Was the adulterous woman excommunicated?
Show us the laws your Governing council used? For example, trousers was strictly forbidden before but now partially forbidden!

Where are the laws?
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:29am On May 06
AbuTwins:

So you're God's partners in excommunication!
Show us where God's people were told to excommunicate one another!
In ancient Israel the communication system is a strict one so if anyone turns against what the whole nation agreed upon as God's law such a person will be EXECUTED {Numbers 15:32-36} because it's the law of the nation so it's better if anyone feels he is not OK with the laws in the land of Israel such a person is free to leave Israel and move to another country where their laws suits him or her.
So excommunication is part of God's law in ancient Israel!

AbuTwins:

Where did Jesus told you to excommunicate one another? Was the adulterous woman excommunicated?
When Jesus walked the earth the Israelites are no longer an independent nation where their laws could be in effect the Romans have set their own rules for them therefore if someone is living in Israel and chooses to nationalize himself or herself as a Roman citizen whoever touches such a person claiming he or she doesn't obey the Mosaic laws will be dealt with by the Roman government because such a person is no longer an Israelite but a Roman according to the laws given by the Romans.
So the day those people dragged the woman out they only wanted to put Jesus into trouble because they know that if she's stoned to death and Jesus is the one who approved it then they will report Jesus to the Roman authorities that he is kicking against the Roman empire and if he say they shouldn't kill her they will say he is against Moses. That's why Jesus asked them to use the golden rule whoever is never guilty of any sin should cast the first stone of course no imperfect human is without sin so they can't continue with their murderous act!

AbuTwins:

Show us the laws your Governing council used? For example, trousers was strictly forbidden before but now partially forbidden!
Where are the laws?
Can you quote where the Bible says women shouldn't put on trousers? smiley
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by Ohyoudidnt: 8:12am On May 06
MaxInDHouse:


I want a simple YES or NO

Allah is using all the suffering, sicknesses and death of loved ones to test people.

YES or NO.


Afterwards you can present your quotes and explanation! smiley

Examiner remembers to issue instructions after the exam sheets have been submitted. Quite unfortunate.

Yes there are verses similar to 2 Corinthians
7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.

8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me.

9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. (Quran doesn't have this though)


Why do Christians or the compilers of the Bible disobey Jesus?

Luke 8

49 While Jesus was still speaking, someone came from the house of Jairus, the synagogue leader. “Your daughter is dead,” he said. “Don’t bother the teacher anymore.”

50 Hearing this, Jesus said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed.”

51 When he arrived at the house of Jairus, he did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John and James, and the child’s father and mother.

52 Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.”

53 They laughed at him, knowing that she was dead.

54 But he took her by the hand and said, “My child, get up!”

55 Her spirit returned, and at once she stood up. Then Jesus told them to give her something to eat.

56 Her parents were astonished, but he ordered them not to tell anyone what had happened.

Is this because they are persistently disobedient people?
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:19am On May 06
Guy you're running away from the question! smiley

Here is it again:

The Bible made it clear that suffering, sickness and death came through Adamic sin and that through the ransom sacrifice of Christ all these will be undone but you said it's not so.

Therefore i asked you to tell me what your Quran says about the cause of suffering, sicknesses and death. You quoted your Quran saying your Allah was using these evil things to test humans.

So i asked you to come out clean.

Is your Allah using suffering, sicknesses and death of loved ones to test people?

It's just a YES or NO answer then afterwards you can add your quotes and explanations! smiley

Ohyoudidnt:


Examiner remembers to issue instructions after the exam sheets have been submitted. Quite unfortunate.

Yes there are verses similar to 2 Corinthians
7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.

8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me.

9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. (Quran doesn't have this though)


Why do Christians or the compilers of the Bible disobey Jesus?

Luke 8

49 While Jesus was still speaking, someone came from the house of Jairus, the synagogue leader. “Your daughter is dead,” he said. “Don’t bother the teacher anymore.”

50 Hearing this, Jesus said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed.”

51 When he arrived at the house of Jairus, he did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John and James, and the child’s father and mother.

52 Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.”

53 They laughed at him, knowing that she was dead.

54 But he took her by the hand and said, “My child, get up!”

55 Her spirit returned, and at once she stood up. Then Jesus told them to give her something to eat.

56 Her parents were astonished, but he ordered them not to tell anyone what had happened.

Is this because they are persistently disobedient people?
Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by AbuTwins: 8:44am On May 06
MaxInDHouse:

In ancient Israel the communication system is a strict one so if anyone turns against what the whole nation agreed upon as God's law such a person will be EXECUTED {Numbers 15:32-36} because it's the law of the nation so it's better if anyone feels he is not OK with the laws in the land of Israel such a person is free to leave Israel and move to another country where their laws suits him or her.
So excommunication is part of God's law in ancient Israel!
Execution is not excommunication! And some if not most of those laws are only for Israelites!

When Jesus walked the earth the Israelites are no longer an independent nation where their laws could be in effect the Romans have set their own rules for them therefore if someone is living in Israel and chooses to nationalize himself or herself as a Roman citizen whoever touches such a person claiming he or she doesn't obey the Mosaic laws will be dealt with by the Roman government because such a person is no longer an Israelite but a Roman according to the laws given by the Romans.
So the day those people dragged the woman out they only wanted to put Jesus into trouble because they know that if she's stoned to death and Jesus is the one who approved it then they will report Jesus to the Roman authorities that he is kicking against the Roman empire and if he say they shouldn't kill her they will say he is against Moses. That's why Jesus asked them to use the golden rule whoever is never guilty of any sin should cast the first stone of course no imperfect human is without sin so they can't continue with their murderous act!
Jesus didn't specifically state this. This is your own exegesis. Jesus should have told them this your exegesis himself. So it is clear Jesus never excommunicated anyone! So where did your Governing council get it from?

Can you quote where the Bible says women shouldn't put on trousers? smiley

You should tell us why your Governing council forbid it before if it wasn't forbidden?

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