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Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 10:34pm On Apr 24
Sura 5:46 reads;

And We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, after those Prophets, confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and which confirms the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah,76 and a guidance and admonition for the God-fearing.

Notice the phrase, 'We Sent Jesus'. This implies that they were more than one. Otherwise, it should have read, 'I sent Jesus'.

My question is who is Allah referring to? Who are the 'We'.

The Quran says that Allah has no partner - Sura 4:36 but Sura 5:46 says otherwise.

Please, I need an answer to this contradiction.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 12:19am On Apr 25
As usual, no answer. This sounds like contradictions to me.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 3:11am On Apr 25
Ken4Christ:
As usual, no answer. This sounds like contradictions to me.

Why would it not sound like a contradiction to you?

Don't you know about the Majestic plural or royal plural?

https://www.gotquestions.org/majestic-plural.html

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Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 7:10am On Apr 25
Please, don't send me any link explain it yourself. You attack Christians because of the subject of Trinity. It seems your Allah has partners. Who are the We in that passage. He can't use we if there are no other people he is talking to. In some verses, he says 'Us'
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 8:06am On Apr 25
Ken4Christ:
Please, don't send me any link explain it yourself. You attack Christians because of the subject of Trinity. It seems your Allah has partners. Who are the We in that passage. He can't use we if there are no other people he is talking to. In some verses, he says 'Us'

This is the text from the web page.

The majestic plural, also called the royal plural, is the use of a plural word (such as the pronoun we or us) to refer to a single person. As a type of nosism, the majestic plural emphasizes something or honors someone in a stylistic way. Basically, when a member of royalty, referring to himself, says, “We” instead of “I,” he is using the majestic plural. For example, Queen Victoria, upon hearing a tasteless joke, is said to have replied, “We are not amused.”

The ancient Hebrews used the majestic plural, and some examples are found in the Old Testament. But the construction is not unique to Hebrew. The Latin language also had what the Romans called pluralis maiestatis (“the plural of majesty”), and, as has been noted, English sometimes uses it as well. Other modern languages using the royal plural include Punjabi, Hindustani, Telugu, and Egyptian Arabic (in which the President of Egypt is referred to as “Your Excellencies”).

The effect of the majestic plural is to indicate greatness, power, and prestige. It is normally reserved for use by nobles, kings, popes, and other persons of high rank when speaking in an official capacity or by those of lower rank when speaking of or to their betters.

In the Bible, we find four verses in which God refers to Himself using plural pronouns. The most well-known passage is Genesis 1:26: “Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness.’” See also Genesis 3:22; Genesis 11:7; and Isaiah 6:8. The One God is speaking of Himself in plural form: us and our. This is a perfect example of the majestic plural. God’s divine greatness and transcendence are emphasized through the simple use of pronouns.

The majestic plural is also found in one of God’s most common names in the Old Testament, Elohim. The word itself is plural (the singular is Eloah), and it is sometimes translated as “gods” (when referring to a plurality of false gods). When it refers to the One True God, Elohim (plural) is correctly translated as “God” (singular).

Deuteronomy 4:35 says, “The LORD is God”—literally, “Yahweh is Elohim.” And the famous Shema says, “The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” Again, we have the singular Lord coupled with the plural Elohim, and this time in a verse that is crystal clear that there is only one God. His name’s plural form indicates His sovereign supremacy, His matchless might, and His exceeding eminence.

We carefully note that the majestic plural in the Old Testament was not meant to teach the doctrine of the Trinity. It is simply a linguistic tool that God employed to accentuate His greatness. However, the use of plural constructions to refer to God leaves open the possibility of God’s triune nature. Later, when the doctrine of the Trinity is revealed in the New Testament, the use of the majestic plural fits right in.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 8:11am On Apr 25
Ken4Christ:
Please, don't send me any link explain it yourself. You attack Christians because of the subject of Trinity. It seems your Allah has partners. Who are the We in that passage. He can't use we if there are no other people he is talking to. In some verses, he says 'Us'

Allah is Al-Wahid, Al-Ahad.

Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad (surah Ikhlas: 4)
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

The adoption of divination for Jesus leads to idolatry as God alone is to be worshipped.

Tell us when the Gospel of John was written and who wrote it.

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Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Antilslaam: 1:41pm On Apr 25
honesttalk21:


Allah is Al-Wahid, Al-Ahad.

Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad (surah Ikhlas: 4)
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

The adoption of divination for Jesus leads to idolatry as God alone is to be worshipped.

Tell us when the Gospel of John was written and who wrote it.

If according to you, adopting of divination for Jesus is idolatry, are you saying allah was an idol for adopting Jesus as the spirit and word from him in Sura 4:171 and 3:39, 45?

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Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Kelklein(m): 6:18pm On Apr 25
all of the messages in the Quran were revealed to Prophet Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) via angel Gabriel..

The 'We' used means God the Supreme who sent the messages and the host of angels who delivered the messages.

The 'We' doesn't mean we as in partner..

According to some scholars,
In Surah 5:46 of the Quran, the use of "We" in reference to God is a form of the royal or majestic "We" commonly found in classical Arabic. This usage is known as the "royal We" or "majestic We" and is used to denote power, authority, and grandeur. It does not imply plurality in the case of God, as in monotheistic beliefs, Allah is considered to be One and indivisible. The use of "We" in the Quran when referring to God is a linguistic feature that conveys the greatness and majesty of God in Arabic.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 9:38pm On Apr 25
honesttalk21:


Allah is Al-Wahid, Al-Ahad.

Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad (surah Ikhlas: 4)
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

The adoption of divination for Jesus leads to idolatry as God alone is to be worshipped.

Tell us when the Gospel of John was written and who wrote it.

We believe in one God who manifest himself in three personalities. This doesn't mean that there are three Gods. See the evidence of scripture;

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but ONE GOD, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God the Father is invisible. Jesus is his visible manifestation.

Even the Quran calls Jesus, Word of God.

When you are in a dream world, you see yourself in different places while at the same time lying on the bed. Does it mean that you are two different persons?

If God could create us this way, why do you think He cannot manifest himself in physical form?

The statements Jesus made, the life he lived points to the fact that he has the very nature of God and he is the Son of God.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 9:42pm On Apr 25
honesttalk21:


This is the text from the web page.

The majestic plural, also called the royal plural, is the use of a plural word (such as the pronoun we or us) to refer to a single person. As a type of nosism, the majestic plural emphasizes something or honors someone in a stylistic way. Basically, when a member of royalty, referring to himself, says, “We” instead of “I,” he is using the majestic plural. For example, Queen Victoria, upon hearing a tasteless joke, is said to have replied, “We are not amused.”

The ancient Hebrews used the majestic plural, and some examples are found in the Old Testament. But the construction is not unique to Hebrew. The Latin language also had what the Romans called pluralis maiestatis (“the plural of majesty”), and, as has been noted, English sometimes uses it as well. Other modern languages using the royal plural include Punjabi, Hindustani, Telugu, and Egyptian Arabic (in which the President of Egypt is referred to as “Your Excellencies”).

The effect of the majestic plural is to indicate greatness, power, and prestige. It is normally reserved for use by nobles, kings, popes, and other persons of high rank when speaking in an official capacity or by those of lower rank when speaking of or to their betters.

In the Bible, we find four verses in which God refers to Himself using plural pronouns. The most well-known passage is Genesis 1:26: “Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness.’” See also Genesis 3:22; Genesis 11:7; and Isaiah 6:8. The One God is speaking of Himself in plural form: us and our. This is a perfect example of the majestic plural. God’s divine greatness and transcendence are emphasized through the simple use of pronouns.

The majestic plural is also found in one of God’s most common names in the Old Testament, Elohim. The word itself is plural (the singular is Eloah), and it is sometimes translated as “gods” (when referring to a plurality of false gods). When it refers to the One True God, Elohim (plural) is correctly translated as “God” (singular).

Deuteronomy 4:35 says, “The LORD is God”—literally, “Yahweh is Elohim.” And the famous Shema says, “The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” Again, we have the singular Lord coupled with the plural Elohim, and this time in a verse that is crystal clear that there is only one God. His name’s plural form indicates His sovereign supremacy, His matchless might, and His exceeding eminence.

We carefully note that the majestic plural in the Old Testament was not meant to teach the doctrine of the Trinity. It is simply a linguistic tool that God employed to accentuate His greatness. However, the use of plural constructions to refer to God leaves open the possibility of God’s triune nature. Later, when the doctrine of the Trinity is revealed in the New Testament, the use of the majestic plural fits right in.

Baseless points. When God said in the Bible, Let us make man in our own image..., we know the we he is referring to.

But in many other instances, he said I.

Please your Allah is not the true God. The God of the Bible is the true God. Your Quran is not divinely inspired. The Bible is the only inspired word of God.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 2:28am On Apr 26
Ken4Christ:


Baseless points. When God said in the Bible, Let us make man in our own image..., we know the we he is referring to.

But in many other instances, he said I.

Please your Allah is not the true God. The God of the Bible is the true God. Your Quran is not divinely inspired. The Bible is the only inspired word of God.

Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 2:35am On Apr 26
@Ken4Christ

That is the content of the web page you claim not to want to open. Entries from your Christian brethren.


You know the Gospel musician Jeremiah Gyang?

He sang a song in Hausa. Na baka.

Is Elohim a name of God in Christianity?
Is it plural or singular?

The video is subtitled


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4KGq879pu0?si=mKJiLIzh9leSl8uO
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 2:41am On Apr 26
Ken4Christ:


We believe in one God who manifest himself in three personalities. This doesn't mean that there are three Gods. See the evidence of scripture;

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but ONE GOD, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God the Father is invisible. Jesus is his visible manifestation.

Even the Quran calls Jesus, Word of God.

When you are in a dream world, you see yourself in different places while at the same time lying on the bed. Does it mean that you are two different persons?

If God could create us this way, why do you think He cannot manifest himself in physical form?

The statements Jesus made, the life he lived points to the fact that he has the very nature of God and he is the Son of God.

What's the difference between God's words and God's command?

A key concept of belief is the belief in the unseen God.

Why does your god need to manifest in flesh yet say no one can see him and live? Is this not a contradiction?

According to the doctrine of the Trinity, God is not seen as a singular being but rather as a triune Godhead consisting of three distinct persons. This is definitely not one!
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Antilslaam: 8:28am On Apr 26
honesttalk21:


Why would it not sound like a contradiction to you?

Don't you know about the Majestic plural or royal plural?

https://www.gotquestions.org/majestic-plural.html

What concern allah with royal we or pluralis majestatis when it was first used in 12 century during the time of King Henry the ll or is your god allah the deity forced on you in 12 century when the royal we was first used and introduced?


Go check for the history of royal we and stop defending nonsense here

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Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 10:19pm On Apr 26
honesttalk21:


What's the difference between God's words and God's command?

A key concept of belief is the belief in the unseen God.

Why does your god need to manifest in flesh yet say no one can see him and live? Is this not a contradiction?

According to the doctrine of the Trinity, God is not seen as a singular being but rather as a triune Godhead consisting of three distinct persons. This is definitely not one!

When you are sleeping, and you see yourself in another place in the dream world but your body is on the bed, does it not look like two different people but you are one? If God could create human with this complexity, how much more God himself. If God is that simple, then he is not God. He is in heaven, yet he is everywhere. How does he accomplish this? Through the Holy Spirit.

Didn't he come down in the burning bush to speak to Moses? You can't limit God.

Jesus is the only man who lived on earth that claimed divinity. And he proved he was not just an ordinary man.

For him to say that he will come in the cloud of glory with angels to execute judgement on this earth speaks volume. Which human can make such comment.
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Mohammed was a sinner and died in his sin. He wasn't even sure where he was headed for nor those following. Why are you risking your life?

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Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 10:22pm On Apr 26
honesttalk21:
@Ken4Christ

That is the content of the web page you claim not to want to open. Entries from your Christian brethren.


You know the Gospel musician Jeremiah Gyang?

He sang a song in Hausa. Na baka.

Is Elohim a name of God in Christianity?
Is it plural or singular?

The video is subtitled


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4KGq879pu0?si=mKJiLIzh9leSl8uO

Weak defense. In any case, your Allah is not the God of the Bible. And there can't be two divine Gods. One must be the true God and other false. Do your research and find out who is the true God.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 6:23am On Apr 27
Ken4Christ:


Weak defense. In any case, your Allah is not the God of the Bible. And there can't be two divine Gods. One must be the true God and other false. Do your research and find out who is the true God.

Utterly irresponsible and defecient response. Do you then make bold to say that Hausa speaking Christians who refer to God as Allah are wrong? Or Christians in Arabic speaking countries saying Allah too are wrong?

I made my first response using commentary of your Bible but unfortunately you choose what is from your created god and what isn't. Go and get proper analysis and interpretation. You show gross inability to comprehend by yourself.

One of the reasons why Allah refers to Himself as "we" in the Quran is to emphasize His oneness and uniqueness. By using the royal "we," Allah is making it clear that He is the one and only Creator, Sustainer, and Lord of the universe. It is a way of asserting His absolute authority and sovereignty over all creation.

Furthermore, the use of the royal "we" in the Quran also serves to convey the idea of inclusiveness and unity. Allah is not just the God of a particular group or community; He is the God of all humanity. By using the plural form, Allah is emphasizing that His mercy, love, and guidance are for everyone, regardless of race, nationality, or background.

Do you even know the English language you speak? Have you heard of first person plural verbs?

I think not.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 6:34am On Apr 27
Ken4Christ:


When you are sleeping, and you see yourself in another place in the dream world but your body is on the bed, does it not look like two different people but you are one? If God could create human with this complexity, how much more God himself. If God is that simple, then he is not God. He is in heaven, yet he is everywhere. How does he accomplish this? Through the Holy Spirit.

Didn't he come down in the burning bush to speak to Moses? You can't limit God.

Jesus is the only man who lived on earth that claimed divinity. And he proved he was not just an ordinary man.

For him to say that he will come in the cloud of glory with angels to execute judgement on this earth speaks volume. Which human can make such comment.
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Mohammed was a sinner and died in his sin. He wasn't even sure where he was headed for nor those following. Why are you risking your life?

Is yourself in a dream real? Terribly disgraceful and pathetic argument.

In a dream, the version of yourself that you experience is not real in the physical sense. Dreams are a product of your mind’s activity during sleep and do not reflect actual events or occurrences in the waking world. The experiences, interactions, and perceptions you have in dreams are manifestations of your subconscious thoughts, emotions, and memories. Therefore, while the “you” in a dream may feel real and lifelike within the dream itself, it is not a representation of your physical self or reality.

Perhaps you can show in non ambiguous terms where all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God does not apply to Jesus.

Don't refer to the legends written about him.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 10:06am On Apr 27
honesttalk21:


Is yourself in a dream real? Terribly disgraceful and pathetic argument.

In a dream, the version of yourself that you experience is not real in the physical sense. Dreams are a product of your mind’s activity during sleep and do not reflect actual events or occurrences in the waking world. The experiences, interactions, and perceptions you have in dreams are manifestations of your subconscious thoughts, emotions, and memories. Therefore, while the “you” in a dream may feel real and lifelike within the dream itself, it is not a representation of your physical self or reality.

Perhaps you can show in non ambiguous terms where all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God does not apply to Jesus.

Don't refer to the legends written about him.

The dream world is more real than the physical world. It the spirit realm. Joseph saw the vision of his life through dreams. King Solomon's wealth was given to him by God in the dream. The wise men who visited Jesus were given direction in the dream.

So, don't tell me that the dream world is not real. It's much more than the imaginations of your mind.

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Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 10:13am On Apr 27
honesttalk21:


Utterly irresponsible and defecient response. Do you then make bold to say that Hausa speaking Christians who refer to God as Allah are wrong? Or Christians in Arabic speaking countries saying Allah too are wrong?

I made my first response using commentary of your Bible but unfortunately you choose what is from your created god and what isn't. Go and get proper analysis and interpretation. You show gross inability to comprehend by yourself.

One of the reasons why Allah refers to Himself as "we" in the Quran is to emphasize His oneness and uniqueness. By using the royal "we," Allah is making it clear that He is the one and only Creator, Sustainer, and Lord of the universe. It is a way of asserting His absolute authority and sovereignty over all creation.

Furthermore, the use of the royal "we" in the Quran also serves to convey the idea of inclusiveness and unity. Allah is not just the God of a particular group or community; He is the God of all humanity. By using the plural form, Allah is emphasizing that His mercy, love, and guidance are for everyone, regardless of race, nationality, or background.

Do you even know the English language you speak? Have you heard of first person plural verbs?

I think not.

The Allah the Christians call is different from your Allah. The spelling is the same but it's different personality.

Your Allah gave instructions to kill unbelievers. But God through Jesus said that we should love our enemies.

Your Allah permits you to have sex with women taken captives. But the God of the Jews never said so.

Your Allah said that Ishmeal is the son he asked Abraham to sacrifice. The God of the Bible said it is Abraham.

Your Allah promise you 72 virgins in your paradise for killing. The God of the Bible says that murderers will go to hell. And in our heaven, there is no marriage.

Wake up my friend. Your Allah is not the God of the Bible.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 3:27pm On Apr 27
Ken4Christ:


The dream world is more real than the physical world. It the spirit realm. Joseph saw the vision of his life through dreams. King Solomon's wealth was given to him by God in the dream. The wise men who visited Jesus were given direction in the dream.

So, don't tell me that the dream world is not real. It's much more than the imaginations of your mind.

Exactly what is the definition or meaning of dream. According to Merriam-Webster dictionary; a dream consists of
1. a series of thoughts, images, or emotions occurring during sleep

2 an experience of waking life having the characteristics of a dream: such as
a visionary creation of the imagination
- a state of mind marked by abstraction or release from reality
-an object seen in a dreamlike state

3 something notable for its beauty, excellence, or enjoyable quality

4-a strongly desired goal or purpose
-something that fully satisfies a wish

Or the series of thoughts, images, or emotions while sleeping

However a vision refers to the act or power of seeing; the special sense by which the qualities of an object (such as color, luminosity, shape, and size) constituting its appearance are perceived through a process, something seen in a dream, trance, or ecstasy especially a supernatural appearance that conveys a revelation ;which isn't always the case,the act or power of imagination or a charming sight.

The dreams of Joseph were not exactly or are his parents literally the moon and the Sun or his brothers stars?

Many people have dreams and quite the majority are of no consequence.

Ken4Christ:


The Allah the Christians call is different from your Allah. The spelling is the same but it's different personality.

Your Allah gave instructions to kill unbelievers. But God through Jesus said that we should love our enemies.

Your Allah permits you to have sex with women taken captives. But the God of the Jews never said so.

Your Allah said that Ishmeal is the son he asked Abraham to sacrifice. The God of the Bible said it is Abraham.

Your Allah promise you 72 virgins in your paradise for killing. The God of the Bible says that murderers will go to hell. And in our heaven, there is no marriage.

Wake up my friend. Your Allah is not the God of the Bible.

In Arabic, “Allah” simply means “God,” and it has been used by various religious groups in the region for centuries.

The term “Allah” is used by both Arabic-speaking Christians and Muslims to refer to God.

There may be variations as to what Allah exactly means by whoever uses this in spoken language.

Can you substantiate your claims with exact verses commanding this? Or do you blindly follow a false crowd saying what isn't?
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Birniwa(m): 3:28pm On Apr 27
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Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 10:50pm On Apr 27
honesttalk21:


Exactly what is the definition or meaning of dream. According to Merriam-Webster dictionary; a dream consists of
1. a series of thoughts, images, or emotions occurring during sleep

2 an experience of waking life having the characteristics of a dream: such as
a visionary creation of the imagination
- a state of mind marked by abstraction or release from reality
-an object seen in a dreamlike state

3 something notable for its beauty, excellence, or enjoyable quality

4-a strongly desired goal or purpose
-something that fully satisfies a wish

Or the series of thoughts, images, or emotions while sleeping

However a vision refers to the act or power of seeing; the special sense by which the qualities of an object (such as color, luminosity, shape, and size) constituting its appearance are perceived through a process, something seen in a dream, trance, or ecstasy especially a supernatural appearance that conveys a revelation ;which isn't always the case,the act or power of imagination or a charming sight.

The dreams of Joseph were not exactly or are his parents literally the moon and the Sun or his brothers stars?

Many people have dreams and quite the majority are of no consequence.



In Arabic, “Allah” simply means “God,” and it has been used by various religious groups in the region for centuries.

The term “Allah” is used by both Arabic-speaking Christians and Muslims to refer to God.

There may be variations as to what Allah exactly means by whoever uses this in spoken language.

Can you substantiate your claims with exact verses commanding this? Or do you blindly follow a false crowd saying what isn't?

I don't need to back up any claim. The bottom line is that the Muslim Allah is not the same as the Christian God and you know it. Don't pretend not to have read some key differences I mentioned. And I can give you more.

You had better scrutinize your belief and make the right choice before it's too late. Not just you but everyone reading this write up.

There are no two ways to heaven. It's only one way. And that way is Jesus. If you reject him, be ready to burn for the rest of your life.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 11:53pm On Apr 27
Ken4Christ:


I don't need to back up any claim. The bottom line is that the Muslim Allah is not the same as the Christian God and you know it. Don't pretend not to have read some key differences I mentioned. And I can give you more.

You had better scrutinize your belief and make the right choice before it's too late. Not just you but everyone reading this write up.

There are no two ways to heaven. It's only one way. And that way is Jesus. If you reject him, be ready to burn for the rest of your life.

Without clear proof all you say is null, void and inconsequential.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 10:40am On Apr 28
honesttalk21:


Without clear proof all you say is null, void and inconsequential.


You must not win argument at any cost. Please, save your soul. The content of your quran is enough proof that your Allah is not the God of the Bible.

Hell is a very terrible place. Jesus love you. He died for you so that you don't have to go there. If you accept him now, you will receive an instant transformation and a witness within you that a change has taken place in your life.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Omoluji: 12:49pm On Apr 28
There portion of the Bible that equate Jesus and God the father all over the gospel, Jesus never denied been sent by his father in heaven, apostle paul in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 made it cleared that after all things might have been subjected to Jesus, Jesus himself must be subjected to God the father,Old testament prophecy about Jesus made it cleared,the difference in their personalities,but unity of purpose, Isaiah 9:6 called Jesus mighty God and not Almighty God, prince of peace i.e. the son of a king,the king who is the father of the prince of peace,is God Almighty, in Daniels 7 , Daniel saw in the visions one like the son of man came with cloud and was brought before the ancient of days and was give Dominion,a kingdom,that all nations, kingdoms and language should serve him, his Dominion shall be everlasting and his kingdom shall not be destroyed. So scripture at no where says God transformed himself to son , though they are one in purpose.
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Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Expanse2020(m): 12:58pm On Apr 28
honesttalk21:


Why would it not sound like a contradiction to you?

Don't you know about the Majestic plural or royal plural?

https://www.gotquestions.org/majestic-plural.html
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Goes school you no go go, read books you no go read
He no know the mean of Majestic or Royal plural pronoun
Make good research to no go do
Alas
The boy is a fool

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Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Expanse2020(m): 1:02pm On Apr 28
Ken4Christ:


We believe in one God who manifest himself in three personalities. This doesn't mean that there are three Gods. See the evidence of scripture;

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but ONE GOD, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God the Father is invisible. Jesus is his visible manifestation.

Even the Quran calls Jesus, Word of God.

When you are in a dream world, you see yourself in different places while at the same time lying on the bed. Does it mean that you are two different persons?

If God could create us this way, why do you think He cannot manifest himself in physical form?

The statements Jesus made, the life he lived points to the fact that he has the very nature of God and he is the Son of God.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You mean your God is invisible
Yet adeboye had tea with him
Odumeje meet him in his bed also give a call to him
Another pastor met him in the heaven
Even in the bible, he was looking for the Adam and Eve while they hide
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 1:57pm On Apr 28
Ken4Christ:


You must not win argument at any cost. Please, save your soul. The content of your quran is enough proof that your Allah is not the God of the Bible.

Hell is a very terrible place. Jesus love you. He died for you so that you don't have to go there. If you accept him now, you will receive an instant transformation and a witness within you that a change has taken place in your life.

Indeed people perish because of lack of knowledge.

Most definitely you have not read numerous verses like this in the Quran.

O believers! Protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, overseen by formidable and severe angels, who never disobey whatever Allah orders—always doing as commanded.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 2:48pm On Apr 28
honesttalk21:


Indeed people perish because of lack of knowledge.

Most definitely you have not read numerous verses like this in the Quran.

O believers! Protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, overseen by formidable and severe angels, who never disobey whatever Allah orders—always doing as commanded.

How do you protect yourself. Mohammed wasn't even sure of his destiny how much more you - Sura 46:9.

Why not follow Jesus everyone knows has a supernatural birth, no record of sin, worked uncommon miracles, made claims no human has ever made or will ever made, died and rose again. Why are you risking your life for a self acclaimed Prophets. He did no miracle. He never made a single prophecy. And he lived a questionable life.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by Ken4Christ: 2:50pm On Apr 28
Expanse2020:

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You mean your God is invisible
Yet adeboye had tea with him
Odumeje meet him in his bed also give a call to him
Another pastor met him in the heaven
Even in the bible, he was looking for the Adam and Eve while they hide

You can only see his form or glory. Most of the time, those who have divine encounter with him just hear his voice.
Re: Who Is Allah's Partner In Sura 5:46? by honesttalk21: 3:21pm On Apr 28
Ken4Christ:


How do you protect yourself. Mohammed wasn't even sure of his destiny how much more you - Sura 46:9.

Why not follow Jesus everyone knows has a supernatural birth, no record of sin, worked uncommon miracles, made claims no human has ever made or will ever made, died and rose again. Why are you risking your life for a self acclaimed Prophets. He did no miracle. He never made a single prophecy. And he lived a questionable life.

Surely you follow the misguidance of your group.


The verse you have mentioned is from Surah Al-Ahqaf, verse 9:

قُلْ مَا كُنْتُ بِدْعًا مِّنَ الرُّسُلِ وَمَا أَدْرِي مَا يُفْعَلُ بِي وَلَا بِكُمْ ۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ ۖ وَمَا أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ مُّبِينٌ

Transliteration: Qul ma kuntu bid'an mina alrrusuli wama adree ma yufAAalu bee wala bikum in attabiAAu illa ma yoo ha ilayya wama ana illa natheerun mubeen

Translation: "Say, "I am not something new among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner." (Quran 46:9)

In this verse, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is instructed to respond to the disbelievers who questioned his authenticity as a messenger of Allah. The Prophet clarifies that he is not a novelty among the messengers of Allah, and he does not have knowledge of the unseen. He simply conveys the message revealed to him by Allah and clearly warns the people.


This warning is as all other prophets pbot had done clearly warning against disbelief and bad behaviour while encouraging to believe and trust God while doing what is right.

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