see, i have told many folks on this forum that the bible is coded. most of the words are either symbolic, figurative or allegoric and are not meant to be read literally. thats why so many of you are confused and think i am crazy. anyway lets digress, so those of you familiar with the noah story know that he got drunk and was supposedly lying naked and then his son ham saw his father n-aked and because of this noah put a curse on hams descendants. now this kind of thing will turn any right thinking person into an atheist because it just does not make sense to curse your son because he mistakenly stumbled into a room where you were drunk and na-ked. this just sounds irrational and like a fairy-tale of sorts. this is the type of literal translation that turns people into atheists. just as i told people that adam was a nation and people thought i was crazy. anyway here is the interpretation

what is a mans unclothedness ? LEVITICUS 18 VS 8 The unclothedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's unclothedness. so basically what happened here is that when noah got drunk, ham, his son, went and slept with his (noahs) wife (his step-mother), and by sleeping with his fathers wife, he has seen his fathers unclothedness. and the product of that union was canaan which is why noah cursed canaan because this was the product of his son sleeping with his wife.

and to further put a stamp on this post lets go to DEUTERONOMY 27 VS 20 Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS. HAM WAS CREEPING ON HIS FATHERS WIFE

^
And also....Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal 3:13 kjv

Hmmm...thou art thwarted in understanding.

Goshen360: ^
And also....Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal 3:13 kjv

oh yeah thought he was hung from a cross, as this is how the romans crucified 'criminals'. on a cross.

Does it not strike you as suspicious that you got an interpretation of the bible saying blacks are supreme from a group of black christians. Did you not stop to think that there could be some kind of bias? I'm sure the kkk can give a similar exegesis, but only after swapping races around. And where do the mongloid, and australians figure in on this.

ea7: Does it not strike you as suspicious that you got an interpretation of the bible saying blacks are supreme from a group of black christians. Did you not stop to think that there could be some kind of bias? I'm sure the kkk can give a similar exegesis, but only after swapping races around. And where do the mongloid, and australians figure in on this.

listen here ea7, the normal interpretation of the bible is that whites are superior. heck in most parts of the world they still worship a white jesus. so i dont understand where your assumption is coming from. its biblical prophesy that the edomites (the fiercest of the heathens ) (white folk ) will, through iconoclasm, present themselves as the people of the bible and the image of the messiah (1 maccabees 3 vs 48 ) (job 9 vs 24 )

if anything its whites who say they are supreme when in fact they are the basest of race on the planet ( daniel 4 vs 17 ) who were uplifted to piss of the israelites ( DEUTERONOMY 32 VS 21 )

WHERE DO THE AUSTRALIANS FIT IN ? ARENT THEY WHITE ? THEY ARE EDOMITES. MONGOLOIDS ? are either moabites or ammonites. they are a product of incestry between LOT and his daughters. inbreeding. thats why they look like they have downs syndrome. incestry.

Good post Buzugee! Very interesting.

LoJ

LoJ: Good post Buzugee! Very interesting.

LoJ

Thanks Loj. Finally, someone who appreciates the monstrosity of this post.

can u throw more light on the "Adambeing a nation" thingy

snthesis: can u throw more light on the "Adambeing a nation" thingy

No problem mi amigos snthesis. if you go to
GENESIS I VS 26[b] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.[/b] SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE LORD AND THE ANGELS SAYING LET US CREATE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE. AND LET 'THEM' HAVE DOMINION. THAT TELLS YOU THE WORD 'MAN' IS PLURAL NOT SINGULAR

GENESIS 1 VS 27 [b]So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them[/b]SO HE WENT AHEAD AND CREATED 'THEM' IN HIS IMAGE, BOTH MALE AND FEMALE. SO BASICALLY HE HAS CREATED A NATION OF PEOPLE, BOTH MALE AND FEMALE (KEEP IN MIND EVE WAS NOT PART OF THIS FIRST BATCH OF PEOPLE FORMED YET IT SAYS FEMALES WERE CREATED TOO, WHO WERE THESE FEMALES ? DEFINITELY NOT EVE CUZ SHE HAD NOT BEEN FORMED. )

GENESIS 1 VS 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
[/b]SO GOD BLESSED 'THEM' AND TOLD THEM TO BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY AND REPLENISH THE EARTH AND HAVE DOMINION OVER THE EARTH ( WHO ARE THE 'THEM' BEING REFERED TO HERE ? REMEMBER EVE WAS NOT FORMED YET ? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE BEING SPOKEN TO ? I AM SURE HE WOULD NOT BE CALLING ONE MAN NAMED ADAM 'THEM' )

GENESIS 1 VS 29 [b] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. THE LORD TELLING THEM WHAT TO EAT ETC ETC

GENESIS 1 VS 30[b] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so[/b] MORE FOOD FOR THEM TO EAT.

THEN GENESIS 1 ENDS AND EVE STILL HASNT BEEN FORMED BUT HE HAS FORMED A NATION OF PEOPLE BOTH MEN AND WOMEN AND THIS WAS THE SIXTH DAY. OK LETS GO TO GENESIS 2 AND THE 7TH DAY

HE RESTED ON THE 7TH DAY.

GENESIS 2 VS 15 15[b] And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.[/b] WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO MAN, AS WE ALREADY KNOW A NATION OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FORMED, IT IS REFERING TO MANKIND. SO HE PUT THE PEOPLE HE HAS MADE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN. AND THE SUBSEQUENT VERSES HE TOOK THE THINGS FORMED TO THE MAN ADAM (SEE ADAM IS A HEBREW WORD MEANING, FORMED FROM THE GROUND )AND ASKED ADAM TO NAME THEM.

AND FURTHER DOWN THE LINE INTO THE BOTTOM OF CHAPTER 2, THE WOMEN THAT WERE FORMED INITIALLY WERE NOT SUITABLE FOR ADAM SO HE MADE ADAM GO TO SLEEP AND HE TOOK OUT HIS RIB AND FORMED A WOMAN CALLED EVE (THIS IS AN ALLEGORICAL STATEMENT WHICH MEANS HE MADE A WOMAN THAT HAD THE SENSIBILITIES AND INTELLIGENCE OF THE MAN ) APPARENTLY THE OTHER WOMEN INITIALLY FORMED MUST HAVE BEEN UNSUITABLE HELPERS.

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT. ADAM IS NOT A MANS NAME. ADAM IS HEBREW FOR ADAMAH, WHICH MEANS ( FORMED FROM THE EARTH ). A NATION OF PEOPLE FORMED FROM THE EARTH. http://concordances.org/hebrew/127.htm

buzugee:
[/b] so basically what happened here is that when noah got drunk, ham, his son, went and slept with his (noahs) wife (his step-mother), and by sleeping with his fathers wife, he has seen his fathers unclothedness. and the product of that union was canaan which is why noah cursed canaan because this was the product of his son sleeping with his wife.

by the way ur argument is flawed- why d deliberate twist please read the bible (Gen 9: 20-24) first and not some online crap
"logically" wat happened was the old man Noah shacked and got wasted , young son Ham saw his popsy knocked out naked(probably with vomit all over ), ran out laffing to gist his bros like" see that old paale - e don shack scatter room,off cloth" the elder smart ones realized the gravity of what happened and did the "right" thing- they went back in to cover their Dad, rather than mock him. Ham was cursed, not for seeing his dad's unclothedness but for mocking his dad openingly instead of covering his shame

if Ham slept with his dad's wife it would have been clearly recorded e.g Gen 49: 4

**always read ur bible **

snthesis:
by the way ur argument is flawed- why d deliberate twist please read the bible (Gen 9: 20-24) first and not some online crap
"logically" wat happened was the old man Noah shacked and got wasted , young son Ham saw his popsy knocked out naked(probably with vomit all over ), ran out laffing to gist his bros like" see that old paale - e don shack scatter room,off cloth" the elder smart ones realized the gravity of what happened and did the "right" thing- they went back in to cover their Dad, rather than mock him. Ham was cursed, not for seeing his dad's unclothedness but for mocking his dad opening instead of covering his shame

if Ham slept with his dad's wife it would have been clearly recorded e.g Gen 49: 4

**always read ur bible **

Thats your own interpretation of what unclothedness is. the bible has its own interpretation of what unclothedness is and i have provided the 2 verses that shows you what the bible means by unclothedness. (leviticus 18 vs 8 ) ( deuteronomy 27 vs 20 )

as the scripture says 1 thessalonians 5 vs 21 prove all things because the scripture is of no private interpretation 2 peter 1 vs 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation

buzugee: Thats your own interpretation of what unclothedness is. the bible has its own interpretation of what unclothedness is and i have provided the 2 verses that shows you what the bible means by unclothedness. as the scripture says 1 thessalonians 5 vs 21 prove all things because the scripture is of no private interpretation 2 peter 1 vs 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation

wrong again!!!
that verse isnt defining unclothedness as u allude it to mean. you were tryin to juxtapose two very different scenarios to make ur point- "which is Ham wasnt cursed rather it was Canaan" when the bible clearly spelt out what really occured. abegi stop trying to misdirect ppl wit ur wack teachings

snthesis:

wrong again!!!
that verse isnt defining unclothedness as u allude it to mean. you were tryin to juxtapose two very different scenarios to make ur point- "which is Ham wasnt cursed rather it was Canaan" when the bible clearly spelt out what really occured. abegi stop trying to misdirect ppl wit ur wack teachings

YOU ARE UNLEARNED. THATS YOUR PROBLEM. AND NOT ONLY ARE YOU UNLEARNED, YOU ARE PROUD OF IT TOO. even common sense should tell you that your scenario is absolutely preposterous. the word of the lord is of no private interpretation. stop offending the lord by twisting scriptures to your own private interpretation

but i swear it said that his other sons had to walk backwards to cover him or somthin lyk dat,so how wasnt he naked?

lepasharon: but i swear it said that his other sons had to walk backwards to cover him or somthin lyk dat,so how wasnt he naked?

these are allegorical and symbolic sentences meaning the other two brothers were trying to cover up for ham so as to protect their fathers dignity but their father found out anyway.

did you read the two verses for the bibles definition of unclothedness ? deut 27 vs 20, leviticus 18 vs 8 ?

buzugee: No problem mi amigos snthesis. if you go to
. http://concordances.org/hebrew/127.htm

\another wrong misintepretation of the Bible
1st one: when God states "let Us make Man in Our own Image" the image He meant wasnt Physical rather Image here refers to the ability of man to be able to Create Just like God.

secondly: if you really want to understand the Creation story, you have to be a creator yourself else you would get lost. As a designer by Profession- before i embark on a project i know what it entails based on the project scope, i know all the equipment i need to buy and where to place them and the functions of each equipment and how they would interact and feed off each other, this design is in my head ever before the final project is completed. that is why i can afford to order "Long lead items first" ever before the other components come into play.

now lets relate it to the creation of the EARTH. The real product is Man, but as the Master Designer God doesnt make Man First, he designs the layout where man would reside, he designs the Food man would eat,and gave man a job, He designs everything that would make man happy. To ensure that folks like you wouldnt think Woman was made as an afterthought, God Clearly states His Objective "in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them"

snthesis: \another wrong misintepretation of the Bible
1st one: when God states "let Us make Man in Our own Image" the image He meant wasnt Physical rather Image here refers to the ability of man to be able to Create Just like God.

secondly: if you really want to understand the Creation story, you have to be a creator yourself else you would get lost. As a designer by Profession- before i embark on a project i know what it entails based on the project scope, i know all the equipment i need to buy and where to place them and the functions of each equipment and how they would interact and feed off each other, this design is in my head ever before the final project is completed. that is why i can afford to order "Long lead items first" ever before the other components come into play.

now lets relate it to the creation of the EARTH. The real product is Man, but as the Master Designer God doesnt make Man First, he designs the layout where man would reside, he designs the Food man would eat,and gave man a job, He designs everything that would make man happy. To ensure that folks like you wouldnt think Woman was made as an afterthought, God Clearly states His Objective "in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them"

you know what your problem is ? you just love to disagree for disagreements sake. you dont come with any concrete scriptures to back your points. you are just here to argue and disagree. i aint got time for that. if you are not coming with scriptures to back what you are saying, that means you have no light in you. you are in darkness. isaiah 8 vs 20 if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. see we are not here to hear your opinions because they are irrelevant. your opinions are akin to the turd in the commode. if you are not coming out of the bible, it is because there is no light in you. you are full of darkness

people talking out of their ass holes here. If you have anything in defense of ur God you can post on my thread. Infact, let's discuss your biblical interpretation. *picks up suitcase, walks back to own thread to wait.

@OP,
The way you interpret the bible never ceases to amaze and I sometimes feel this is nothing more than the rambling of a deranged individual. Whenever I see any thread and see your name on it, I just pass. Where in the world did you get this particular interpretation from. Am sure you did not even consult the particular story in the bible before you spewed this crap.Where in ur bible was it written that Noah had another wife. It was expressely stated that only 8 humans got into the ark, each man with his wife, Noah inclussive. No where was it stated that Noah's first wife died, nowhere was it stated that shem, Ham and Japhet had separate mothers. Dude if you must post dont smoke and if you must smoke by all means possible, do not post otherwise these are the kind of rubish that will be emanating from ur skull.

ea7: people talking out of their ass holes here. If you have anything in defense of ur God you can post on my thread. Infact, let's discuss your biblical interpretation. *picks up suitcase, walks back to own thread to wait.

LOL i thought i was supposed to be watching from the sidelines ? what are ya a multiple personality having fella ?

dekung: @OP,
The way you interpret the bible never ceases to amaze and I sometimes feel this is nothing more than the rambling of a deranged individual. Whenever I see any thread and see your name on it, I just pass. Where in the world did you get this particular interpretation from. Am sure you did not even consult the particular story in the bible before you spewed this crap.Where in ur bible was it written that Noah had another wife. It was expressely stated that only 8 humans got into the ark, each man with his wife, Noah inclussive. No where was it stated that Noah's first wife died, nowhere was it stated that shem, Ham and Japhet had separate mothers. Dude if you must post dont smoke and if you must smoke by all means possible, do not post otherwise these are the kind of rubish that will be emanating from ur skull.

i see everything you have written and i dont see any biblical verse in it. i am not here to listen to your opinions. they are irrelevant. make like T I and keep it moving homie you dont know me that song was nice too. dude, ham slept with noahs wife, maybe it was his mother ? i dont know. i wasnt there. i am going according to the bibles definition of seeing your fathers nakednness. i am not following mans interpretations. see thats the problem with you unlearned people. you are not humble enough to relearn the crap you learnt from your pastors

buzugee: YOU ARE UNLEARNED. THATS YOUR PROBLEM. AND NOT ONLY ARE YOU UNLEARNED, YOU ARE PROUD OF IT TOO. even common sense should tell you that your scenario is absolutely preposterous. the word of the lord is of no private interpretation. stop offending the lord by twisting scriptures to your own private interpretation

sowii o!! na u b d unlearned twisted and confused fella
read and understand- stop twisting the Word

21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the unclothedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the unclothedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's unclothedness.

24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren


now how is this any different from what i explained and why would u say those verses talks about a s-ex.ual act between Ham and his father wife- where is d correlation

snthesis:
by the way ur argument is flawed- why d deliberate twist please read the bible (Gen 9: 20-24) first and not some online crap
"logically" wat happened was the old man Noah shacked and got wasted , young son Ham saw his popsy knocked out Unclad(probably with vomit all over ), ran out laffing to gist his bros like" see that old paale - e don shack scatter room,off cloth" the elder smart ones realized the gravity of what happened and did the "right" thing- they went back in to cover their Dad, rather than mock him. Ham was cursed, not for seeing his dad's unclothedness but for mocking his dad openingly instead of covering his shame

if Ham slept with his dad's wife it would have been clearly recorded e.g Gen 49: 4

Genesis 49:3-4
New International Version (NIV)

3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn,
my might, the first sign of my strength,
excelling in honor, excelling in power.
4 Turbulent as the waters, you will no longer excel,
for you went up onto your father’s bed,
onto my couch and defiled it

why are you trying to be a medium of confusion

buzugee: LOL i thought i was supposed to be watching from the sidelines ? what are ya a multiple personality having fella ?

I am offering you a voice. Dont turn it down.

snthesis:

sowii o!! na u b d unlearned twisted and confused fella
read and understand- stop twisting the Word

21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the unclothedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the unclothedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's unclothedness.

24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren


now how is this any different from what i explained and why would u say those verses talks about a sexual act between Ham and his father wife- where is d correlation



Genesis 49:3-4
New International Version (NIV)

3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn,
my might, the first sign of my strength,
excelling in honor, excelling in power.
4 Turbulent as the waters, you will no longer excel,
for you went up onto your father’s bed,
onto my couch and defiled it

why are you trying to be a medium of confusion

i see you are a stiff necked and thick headed israelite. did you not understand these words ' I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINIONS' ? where are the biblical verses ? you do know the scripture is of no private interpretation right ? 2 peter 1 vs 20 no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. you know this right ? see you have no light in you. thats why all you are dropping all over the place are your opinions and not the words of the lord. if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them isaiah 8 vs 20.

oh actually i see bible verses lol my bad. and those are symbolic and allegoric verses. thats why the lord says [b]read the bible line by line precept upon precept here a little there a little [/b]isaiah 28 vs 10. see thats why you dont understand the words. you dont know how to read precept upon precept. here a little there a little

ea7: I am offering you a voice. Dont turn it down.

aiiit soon come, let me battle the belligerent heathens in here first

buzugee: i see you are a stiff necked and thick headed israelite. did you not understand these words ' I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINIONS' ? where are the biblical verses ? you do know the scripture is of no private interpretation right ? 2 peter 1 vs 20 no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. you know this right ? see you have no light in you. thats why all you are dropping all over the place are your opinions and not the words of the lord. if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them isaiah 8 vs 20.

oh actually i see bible verses lol my bad. and those are symbolic and allegoric verses. thats why the lord says [b]read the bible line by line precept upon precept here a little there a little [/b]isaiah 28 vs 10. see thats why you dont understand the words. you dont know how to read precept upon precept. here a little there a little

Jesus spoke in parables

anyways my response to this thread wasnt for you, it was for other people that might read your thread and get confused, my work is done.

snthesis:

Jesus spoke in parables

anyways my response to this thread wasnt for you, it was for other people that might read your thread and get confused, my work is done.

the only work you did here is the work of molech. the work of baal. now keep it moving and stay gone. we dont need your darkness in this thread. this here thread is for people who speak according to the words. not someone with their own private interpretations.

buzugee: these are allegorical and symbolic sentences meaning the other two brothers were trying to cover up for ham so as to protect their fathers dignity but their father found out anyway.

did you read the two verses for the bibles definition of unclothedness ? deut 27 vs 20, leviticus 18 vs 8 ?

haha what a joke..You definitely are a BOT and no doubt under the influence

dekung: @OP,
The way you interpret the bible never ceases to amaze and I sometimes feel this is nothing more than the rambling of a deranged individual. Whenever I see any thread and see your name on it, I just pass. Where in the world did you get this particular interpretation from. Am sure you did not even consult the particular story in the bible before you spewed this crap.Where in ur bible was it written that Noah had another wife. It was expressely stated that only 8 humans got into the ark, each man with his wife, Noah inclussive. No where was it stated that Noah's first wife died, nowhere was it stated that shem, Ham and Japhet had separate mothers. Dude if you must post dont smoke and if you must smoke by all means possible, do not post otherwise these are the kind of rubish that will be emanating from ur skull.

ha ha EPIC

mkmyers45: haha what a joke..You definitely are a BOT and no doubt under the influence

if you dont agree with my posts why do you always keep responding to them ? is this a form of mental illness you have ? if i dont agree with peoples post, i just let it be. its good for the blood pressure. i suggest you do the same. when you see a post you agree with ? then respond positively. geezzz i am here prophesying to the wind. its my duty. i could do without the negative responses without any valid points. if you have a point to make, bring it out and back it up and we can discuss intelligently