logicboy:


Huh? I wasnt saying that we should have granchildren together! Jesus Christ! Sorry, I am not like those perverts that toast you here on NL.

Reread my comment- I was saying by the time our generation have granchildren, gay rights would be accpeted

Lol.. what she meant was she hopes she doesn't live to see that, i think ... roflmao

^thanks Muskeeto, exactly! lol

logicboy:

Huh? I wasnt saying that we should have granchildren together! Jesus Christ! Sorry, I am not like those perverts that toast you here on NL.

Reread my comment- I was saying by the time our generation have granchildren, gay rights would be accpeted

Geez! I think I need to adjust my writing style ... that is not what I meant either lol. I simply meant "I rebuke you" saying gay marriage would be accepted that widely in just a few generations. No insult intended LB. Lol.

And oh btw, generous estimates of the gay population has it at about 3-5%... doesn't seem like a takeover is imminent.

emöfine2:

Lol I never saw your post earlier on, ok.

Yes I agree that gays are a relative minority in most societies.

To be honest I’m not sure of the percentages but I am aware that reserved and/or hostile attitudes towards gays outside religious institutions even in secular societies still persist but at least there are laws in those secular societies that protect gays as a minority and don’t criminalize them.

Thanks for the reply. Very well put.

Well I believe the views of minorities (depending on their views i.e extremists excluded) should not be marginalized and their rights too should be upheld; the majority doesn't even have to “like” the views of the minority, just don’t disrespect and discriminate against them. But that’s not to say that the views of a minority should be “imposed” on the majority unless there is no credible means of marginalization and yes if the minority is being threatened. Minorities need to be heard and not silenced and sometimes even protected. I maintain that our differences should be equally respected. Besides the majority is not always right or should remain unchallenged.

Honestly, you should be in leadership & government. This is about as well as I've heard it put and I think is fair to both sides of the issue. One issue though would be how would you determine what is "an extremist" view?

It’s interesting because I don’t regard any sexuality or religion as innate attributes so this is definitely one thing I believe society should consider before discriminating on the grounds of “unnatural” behaviour.

Okay, that's fair.

Such religious people should also remember that they were not born as an adherent to a particular faith (maybe under a religious household but religion is not hereditary) so by that same token religion is just as “unnatural” yet such individuals claim their religion is integral to their being.
Gays won’t be marginalized just because they are a minority (just like left handed people) or concealed for fear of treading on the sensibilities of particular groups, religious or not.
Although recognizing the rights of the religious populace (such populace will be free to practice their religion) the influence of religion in the politics of the state will pale - so I suppose you can say it will be a secular society.

Thanks for this. Makes sense andd I think in the world we have today is a very reasonable position. I would lean right a bit because of my religious beliefs. Cheers!

musKeeto: I grew up in Nigeria, currently living in India. In Nigeria, gay rights is not really an issue, gays don't even have 'lefts' yet

Abi oh. lol. Africa in general has very little tolerance for behavior they deem deviant as a culture. We hold on to tradition much more fiercely. Its good in many regards and not so good in others. I'm glad they won't be legalizing gay marriage, but it is horrendous gays have to fear for their lives in public.

In India, homosexuality was made legal some years back, there have gay pride parades in Delhi, but in Chennai (where I stay), most gays remain closeted..
So I'm really not bothered about it. But I believe everyone should mind their businesses.. One's sexual preferences has no effect on me whatsoever, when compared to the actions of a rapist or those currently looting the national coffers

Hmm...I'm quite suprised, didn't particularly know that about India as a whole. I guess it being such a huge huge country, you're bound to see some variation from region to region - more acceptance in the capital cities and less as you go 'inside'. I'm with you though, if everyone minded their business this would be a whole lot easier. But its hard to 'mind your business' when laws are being made that will affect your 'business'. You sef, wetin you dey find for india? lol. A close indian friend of mine has been telling me its the place to be. I keep asking her what she's doing here then lol.

lol. doing my degree...
hmm the place to be? well, na her country...

You learn a lot about the effects of religion, you admire culture sometimes up to the point of envy, and then plenty girls to confuse you

It's a great place although the culture shock at first almost made me mad

Kai!

Jesoul and Muskeeto! Una don finish me!

JeSoul: Abi oh. lol. Africa in general has very little tolerance for behavior they deem deviant as a culture. We hold on to tradition much more fiercely. Its good in many regards and not so good in others. I'm glad they won't be legalizing gay marriage, but it is horrendous gays have to fear for their lives in public.

Hmm...I'm quite suprised, didn't particularly know that about India as a whole. I guess it being such a huge huge country, you're bound to see some variation from region to region - more acceptance in the capital cities and less as you go 'inside'. I'm with you though, if everyone minded their business this would be a whole lot easier.

But its hard to 'mind your business' when laws are being made that will affect your 'business'.

You sef, wetin you dey find for india? lol. A close indian friend of mine has been telling me its the place to be. I keep asking her what she's doing here then lol.

Any examples?

logicboy:

Calm down. Jesoul might have messed with you. Just let it go.


If you want revenge, there is a way to do it peacefully and not through trolling with spite. Look at what I did to Tbaba and Big4050. I destroyed them intellectually through debate on creationism.

Debating is fair.

maybe you and jesoul should get a room and get it over with instead of this nl religious azs licking.

shame has shut her mouth and you jump to her defense. she is big enough to defend herself ok?

when i opened a thread to deal with it peacefully she locked it and told me she wouldn't discuss it with me 'cos i'm not mazaje, her annointed. And here you are saying there is a way. which way?

when i see hypocrisy, i call it out. be it xtian, islam, friendly, social or moderator hypocrisy.

Logic Mind:

maybe you and jesoul should get a room and get it over with instead of this nl religious azs licking.

shame has shut her mouth and you jump to her defense. she is big enough to defend herself ok?

when i opened a thread to deal with it peacefully she locked it and told me she wouldn't discuss it with me 'cos i'm not mazaje, her annointed. And here you are saying there is a way. which way?

when i see hypocrisy, i call it out. be it xtian, islam, friendly, social or moderator hypocrisy.

We both know that she is not going to open the thread again. I am not defending her. I am just telling you that you wont find the justice you are looking for. It has been days that you have been complaining. Moderators have power over us.

Please, dont call me an azz licker ever again.

logicboy:


We both know that she is not going to open the thread again. I am not defending her. I am just telling you that you wont find the justice you are looking for. It has been days that you have been complaining. Moderators have power over us.

Please, dont call me an azz licker ever again.

this is the religious section and when i see evil here i have to shout. she doesn't have any power, she only has an illusion of power. very temporal and ephemeral, the abuse of which made her draw bad card and abandon her values.

And i'm not complaining. Just pointing out facts; disturbing as they might be.

ok, sorry, please don't defend the indefensible again.

Logic Mind:

this is the religious section and when i see evil here i have to shout. she doesn't have any power, she only has an illusion of power. very temporal and ephemeral, the abuse of which made her draw bad card and abandon her values.

And i'm not complaining. Just pointing out facts; disturbing as they might be.

ok, sorry, please don't defend the indefensible again.

Seriously, you log in and log out daily (probably over a hundred times in the last week) and you're still keeping malice with a username JeSoul (yes username cos this remains an anonymous forum)...

get a life bro.. you ain't getting 'justice' here... so stop trolling and start contributing positively to threads.. you may win some sympathizers..

Next, you'd be asking for virtual diapers or something, cry baby..

Logic Mind:

this is the religious section and when i see evil here i have to shout. she doesn't have any power, she only has an illusion of power. very temporal and ephemeral, the abuse of which made her draw bad card and abandon her values.

And i'm not complaining. Just pointing out facts; disturbing as they might be.

ok, sorry, please don't defend the indefensible again.

Sometimes, you just have to accept bias. What about the thread calling me a raped altar boy? Many christians were there making gay jokes and lying about me. I took it as fun even when it was hurtful cyber-bullying because I knew that all christians are hypocrites- no exception. Did any of the moderators close the hateful thread? No, they were enjoying/ignoring it until I complained when I got banned while the thread was still up.

logicboy:



Sometimes, you just have to accept bias. What about the thread calling me a raped altar boy? Many christians were there making gay jokes and lying about me. I took it as fun even when it was hurtful cyber-bullying because I knew that all christians are hypocrites- no exception. Did any of the moderators close the hateful thread? No, they were enjoying/ignoring it until I complained when I got banned while the thread was still up.

Yeah, that was a funny thread Agree you handled it well though..

musKeeto:
Yeah, that was a funny thread Agree you handled it well though..

I had nightmares that a rapist priest was chasing me after that. Not funny

lol.. no wonder you're in favor of gay nights rights

logicboy: Kai!
Jesoul and Muskeeto! Una don finish me!

Lol. I'm guessing you're a very emotional guy. Gets fired up but also able to take a good joke.

musKeeto: lol. doing my degree...
hmm the place to be? well, na her country...

You learn a lot about the effects of religion, you admire culture sometimes up to the point of envy, and then plenty girls to confuse you

It's a great place although the culture shock at first almost made me mad

Quite agree. There's nothing like travelling to a different part of the world to really expand your horizons...I wouldn't know about the girls part tho . I'm tempted to ask what you're studying...but pls don't disclose any personal info you don't wanna.

musKeeto: Any examples?

Like what we're discussing here. Society makes laws that may or may not affect your ability to practice religious beliefs. Whether or not gays get the marriage tag is a decision that affects those who care, those who have families and want to raise their children a certain way. We can even say society legislates morals to a degree .... or else an action like necrophilia would not be a crime in cerain places.

musKeeto:

Seriously, you log in and log out daily (probably over a hundred times in the last week) and you're still keeping malice with a username JeSoul (yes username cos this remains an anonymous forum)...

get a life bro.. you ain't getting 'justice' here... so stop trolling and start contributing positively to threads.. you may win some sympathizers..

Next, you'd be asking for virtual diapers or something, cry baby..

and who told you i'm looking for sympathisers?
the more hypocrites are against me, the more i know i'm doing something right. it pisses them off.

there you go giving orders and sounding like you need a moderator job from seun.

do you realise that you are also replying to a username?

how many more concupiscent males will jump to the defense of jesoul? let's see.

musKeeto: lol.. no wonder you're in favor of gay nights rights

haha very funny

Logic Mind:
and who told you i'm looking for sympathisers?
the more hypocrites are against me, the more i know i'm doing something right. it pisses them off.

there you go giving orders and sounding like you need a moderator job from seun.

do you realise that you are also replying to a username?

how many more concupiscent males will jump to the defense of jesoul? let's see.

Yes I do realise im replying to usernames.. that's why i don't take it too serious. I log off, clear cookies on my browser, my mind and plate too..
GET OVER IT, simple and short..

JeSoul: Quite agree. There's nothing like travelling to a different part of the world to really expand your horizons...I wouldn't know about the girls part tho . I'm tempted to ask what you're studying...but pls don't disclose any personal info you don't wanna.

Information Techonology (B.Tech).. that info's not too personal, is it?

JeSoul:
Like what we're discussing here. Society makes laws that may or may not affect your ability to practice religious beliefs. Whether or not gays get the marriage tag is a decision that affects those who care, those who have families and want to raise their children a certain way. We can even say society legislates morals to a degree .... or else an action like necrophilia would not be a crime in cerain places.

It's simple. I know of parents of parents who trained their children to be non-smokers and non-alcoholics. You don't need me to tell you how that turned out..
I think the role of parents is to provide the tools necessary for children to grow up in an environment such that they are able to accommodate not necessarily accept divergent views. I think the family as a unit(not society) legislates morals to a degree as society is made up of families..

musKeeto: Information Techonology (B.Tech).. that info's not too personal, is it?

Could've guessed. The IT boom seems to have India as its captain. lol.

It's simple. I know of parents of parents who trained their children to be non-smokers and non-alcoholics. You don't need me to tell you how that turned out..
I think the role of parents is to provide the tools necessary for children to grow up in an environment such that they are able to accommodate not necessarily accept divergent views. I think the family as a unit(not society) legislates morals to a degree as society is made up of families...

Isn't that the same thing? lol. The father may also be the district judge, his views won't change simply because he put on a black robe. See that Emofine's answer on church and state. Seperation of the two is tricky because the state is made up by members of the society - and so is the church. And as she put it, its whomever is weiling more power that wins the battle for the law books. Just like it would've been illegal for you not to be a christian once lol... aren't you glad you live in the 21st century?

Hmm.. na true sha.. maybe, I'd have to experience life in a more secular environment to understand this 'gay' issue a bit better..

^Might I suggest the beautiful city of San Francisco?

San Francisco has long had an LGBT-friendly history. It was home to the first lesbian-rights organization in the United States, Daughters of Bilitis; the first openly gay person to run for public office in the U.S., José Sarria; the first openly gay man to be elected to public office in the U.S., Harvey Milk; the first openly lesbian judge appointed in the U.S., Mary C. Morgan; and the first transgender police commissioner, Theresa Sparks. The city's large gay population has created and sustained a politically and culturally active community over many decades, developing a powerful presence in San Francisco's civic life. One of the most popular destinations for gay tourists internationally, the city hosts San Francisco Pride, one of the largest and oldest pride parades.

Public nudity is legal so long as the individual is not sexually aroused and places a towel on their seat.[102]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco

Happy touring Muskeeto

Meanwhile, na dem gay pass o!
O Ye My Ashawo Hypocrite People!

JeSoul: One issue though would be how would you determine what is "an extremist" view?

Hmmm true and I had considered that. Perhaps I don’t speak for all but I regard extremists as those whose political purpose is to threaten the security of an individual, collective or nation due to intolerant ideals and beliefs.

Honestly, you should be in leadership & government.

Lol thanks but I disagree. I love politics as a subject but not as a career (speechwriting exempted).

Callotti: Meanwhile, na dem gay pass o!

Abi o.

emöfine2:

Hmmm true and I had considered that. Perhaps I don’t speak for all but I regard extremists as those whose political purpose is to threaten the security of an individual, collective or nation due to intolerant ideals and beliefs.

Cool. Thanks for the reply. I think what can be considered 'extremist' is fluid with time, circumstance and availability of knowledge.

Did you ever watch the series 24?

Lol thanks but I disagree. I love politics as a subject but not as a career (speechwriting exempted).

Not trying to flatter you but I think you'd be quite good at it. Obama could certainly use your helpp right about now

JeSoul: I think what can be considered 'extremist' is fluid with time, circumstance and availability of knowledge.

Yep. I quite agree.

Did you ever watch the series 24?

I only bothered to watch the first series and that was when the show was drawing to an end

Obama could certainly use your helpp right about now

Haha I'm actually not on the Obama bandwagon myself so would naturally feel reserved to tailor his scripts but I wish him well all the way from London.