cyrexx: so what if a muslim imam perform this "miracle". will you believe his claims, which includes God have no son. do you owe it to yourself to be optimistic about this miracle

dont misunderstand me...

i didnt imply that i believed the so-called miracle of the pastor or whatever he calls himself, neither did i refute it. i dont know if its real or not and it doesnt matter to me... because i already know that miracles happen, though a lot of these con-artists that call themselves pastors either stage-manage "miracles" or perform them with evil powers. performing a miracle, which could loosely mean performing a supernatural task(whether through the power of God or the devil), does not make one's teaching right. Babalawos perform miracles too. So there's no need of being optimistic or pessimistic about the existence of miracles but i can be optimistic or pessimistic about the authenticity (whether its true or false) of the imam's miracle or the source of the power for the miracle. God...or the devil

I hope you understand me.

By the way, I'd love to see you answer if you think you owe yourself to be optimistic incase its real and from God...

Vivly: I happen to live in port harcourt whr i get to hear all sorts of miracles happenin. Personally av xperienced just one. An acclaimed man of God came to our church for deliverance sessions, brought out a girl, said she has a demon inside her given to her by her grandma, prayed for her nd the miracle part of it is dat she gave birth to an egg ie d demon. It was so real. We all saw d egg come out of her private part.

Ps. D woman isnt our church member so maybe she is in collaboration wit.... I dont want to judge pls

Please where is this very interesting live show church. Do they do demon deliverance on girls every week? I want to be a member please.

I have been witnessing this "miracle" on some websites with themes like "deep insertions", "swallow my egg", "cute chick lays egg" etc, but I have never seen it live.

Port Harcourt, here I come.

italo:

Sure!

BUT if she is NOT collaborating with the pastor or prophet or whatever the guy calls himself, and this happened as a result of supernatural forces, don't you owe it to yourself to be optimistic about this so-called miracle?

No she should still be skeptical because people don't give birth to eggs that others will see coming out of her private part. Such a finding would be worthy of proper scientific study. Also, what sort of supernatural forces do you have in mind? Egg laying demons inhabiting humans?

Deep Sight: ^^^^ Its simple ol boy. Just address those things that I listed and show me where they have scientifically defined properties of matter.

Mind you - the things themselves - and not that which we use to perceive them.

Otherwise tell me they dont exist at all.

Wrap your head around that and revert to me.

Where is the Martian on Nairaland? Come and answer me this simple question please.

thehomer:
No she should still be skeptical because people don't give birth to eggs that others will see coming out of her private part. Such a finding would be worthy of proper scientific study. Also, what sort of supernatural forces do you have in mind? Egg laying demons inhabiting humans?

What kind of supernatural forces did you have in mind before you answered "no"?

Did you really consider my question as I did yours, or did you just have "no" as your default answer?

italo:

What kind of supernatural forces did you have in mind before you answered "no"?

Egg laying demons inhabiting the woman.

italo:
Did you really consider my question as I did yours, or did you just have "no" as your default answer?

I considered it to some extent but without you presenting the concept of supernatural you're referring to, I did the best that I could do.

ondo_boi: fooooooooooooooooooooooool

not only fooooooool plus eedioottt

cyrexx: @Vivly,
do you really want to know why a free thinking agnostic like me rejected the idea of God propounded by religions (either Christianity or Islam)?

1. God (if he exists) hides himself from mankind. why is it that it is religions and holy books who has to describe him and defend him (in the case of Islam, fight and kill for him) every time. it shouldn't cost an almighty anything to manifest his existence to unbelievers in a convincing way to dispel honest doubts, believe me, all of us atheists and agnostics will switch camp quickly if he does this. the fact that he hides behind ancient religions and holy books is a valid reason to question his existence.

2. If god is all powerful as stated in the holy books, and he created the world all by himself as a perfect god, then why do earthquakes, tsunamis and tornados and other natural disasters kill and maim thousands yearly? An all powerful being would surely be able to harness the earth that he created and make it work perfectly like a good manufacturer would have done with his gadget. for me this a valid reason to question his existence

3. every religion claim they have the true God. Which of all their Gods does not exist? can you prove Allah or Jehovah or Vishnu or Obatala or Thor or Zeus is the fake or real. Numerous religions, numerous powerful beings but which is real? If god existed it is reasonable to believe that he would be the ONLY ONE we would worship. There would be no other religion or entity. an almighty should be able to prevent his identity theft and spare us the pain of trying to determine his existence.

4. The basis of any religion (thus the belief of God's existence) is that you must believe something someone else tells you is true, even though your mind tells you might be untrue and it makes no sense. it is only a brainwashed mind that will accept this form of knowledge, which is incidentally how we know that god exists

5. outside of the mind of religionists, i personally have not found god anywhere else, Allah only exists in the mind of muslims, Jehovah exists only in the mind of Christians etc etc

6. most of the phenomena we are attributing to god is now being explained rationally. e.g. our fore fathers believed diseases was caused by the gods, now we know that it just germs, so we can conclude that every strange phenomenon we attribute as god's works today will one day be explained rationally by man,

7. The bible and the quran contains so many internal contradictions and irrational claims that only a mind that has been brainwashed from childhood can believe these without questioning. i have studied both and i know very well what I'm saying. i will gladly show you the contradictions and irrational claims if you want to see.

8. i found out personnally that the major reasons religionists believe their holy book is due to the fear of eternal hell if they dare to question the holy books statement (e.g. christians MUST believe Jesus is the only Lord and Saviour or they go to hell forever; muslims MUST believe Mohammed is the messenger of God or they burn forever in hell fire etc etc). The simple truth is, if you remove eternal punishment from religions, nobody will believe their fairy tales and irrational claims. but as a free thinking agnostic and as well as other atheists, i have freed my mind from this fear of hell and afterlife, so i dont need to believe the holy books out of fear.

9. there are many many more reasons but i think you should understand by now why some of us reject the God Hypothesis proposed by religions.

@op, there is your answer

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