shdemidemi:

You are talking nonsense- I am not inferring but giving you facts through scriptures-

Romans 8
King James Version (KJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The law came to reveal the sins that dwelt in me but Christ has come to say as long as I am in him, there is no condemnation. I am now of the spirit.


first thing, I am not an antinomian. You lack understanding if you think being free from condemnation means you should carry on with things that are not right. No, rather the new law is of the spirit that leads us into every truth through the renewal of our mind by the word of God.

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.


Renewing of your mind through constant hearing and studying and general relationship with God leads you into all truth, not the dos and don'ts of the law. God did not send Christ to come condemn the world but that the world through Christ might be saved. Embracing condemnation is not part of the gospel of Christ my friend.

Running around and cherry picking to say what suits you without properly addressing the issue at hand..sin is sin..law condemns..Christ paid the penalty.He said i should sin no more.once i sin without asking for mercy i will suffer the consequences..This is the simplicity of the gospel really...but people like you wouldn't understand..instead you start complicating issues by twisting paul's letters.Try to read John's epistle to understand sin in the proper context.

Bidam: What do you understand by secular? are the jewish law spiritual? smh!!!

My friend secular laws are laws men make for themselves, the law of Moses came from God to the Jews.

3 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles/word of God.

Bidam: And i asked you what is the law of Christ and the law of sin? why are you dodging the questions? [7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The law of Christ is simply to be led by our volition. No dos and don'ts, you are led by the spirit through your understanding of the world.

Every son of God is a child of God but not every child is a son of God. Fromm being a child of God, you need to mature in to being a son of God.

as of the law, the law is not sin but when the law came to me a sinner through Adam, it revealed who I really am. Sin use my body members as its tool, therefore law+sin that lives in me can only be equal to death. cos the scripture says no man is good, no, not one. The spirit came to release me from the curse of the law and anywhere the spirit of Christ is there is liberty.

Bidam: Running around and cherry picking to say what suits you without properly addressing the issue at hand..sin is sin..law condemns..Christ paid the penalty.He said i should sin no more.once i sin without asking for mercy i will suffer the consequences..This is the simplicity of the gospel really...but people like you wouldn't understand..instead you start complicating issues by twisting paul's letters.Try to read John's epistle to understand sin in the proper context.

I don't know what you mean by I am running around and cherry picking. If you cherry pick, I will dig you out. If the scripture says it, say it.

My bro, if you go to John's epistle you would realise a difference between Paul's letter and John's letter. The only man that writes to you and I as gentiles is Apostle Paul. He brought a gospel minus rituals to the church, all of his epistles are addressed to believers. e.g
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

He writes to believers.

On the other hand, the rest of the apostles wrote in a different manner, they wrote to the Jews. Don't come here and say, so we can't read them. We can read and learn from the but what Paul wrote are doctrines and for application. John knows nothing about the revelation that was given to Paul when Christ gave it to him. He presented this gospel to the gentiles to them, they found it hard to comprehend. Don't derail this thread, that's for another thread.

shdemidemi: My friend secular laws are laws men make for themselves, the law of Moses came from God to the Jews.

3 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles/word of God.




The law of Christ is simply to be led by our volition. No dos and don'ts, you are led by the spirit through your understanding of the world.

Every son of God is a child of God but not every child is a son of God. Fromm being a child of God, you need to mature in to being a son of God.

as of the law, the law is not sin but when the law came to me a sinner through Adam, it revealed who I really am. Sin use my body members as its tool, therefore law+sin that lives in me can only be equal to death. cos the scripture says no man is good, no, not one. The spirit came to release me from the curse of the law and anywhere the spirit of Christ is there is liberty.

Do you believe that willful sins can lead to hell? Hebrews 10 says: …28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people
this scripture is talking about christians not pagans. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the lord really if you don't repent and turn from your sins.

shdemidemi:

I don't know what you mean by I am running around and cherry picking. If you cherry pick, I will dig you out. If the scripture says it, say it.

My bro, if you go to John's epistle you would realise a difference between Paul's letter and John's letter. The only man that writes to you and I as gentiles is Apostle Paul. He brought a gospel minus rituals to the church, all of his epistles are addressed to believers. e.g
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

He writes to believers.

On the other hand, the rest of the apostles wrote in a different manner, they wrote to the Jews. Don't come here and say, so we can't read them. We can read and learn from the but what Paul wrote are doctrines and for application. John knows nothing about the revelation that was given to Paul when Christ gave it to him. He presented this gospel to the gentiles to them, they found it hard to comprehend. Don't derail this thread, that's for another thread.

Hebrews 6:6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.[color=#990000][/color] REPENT..PAUL SAID IT.

blink182: and the decision of God is to forgive you. He forgave you even before you sinned. There is no love greater than His love for us.

Poster I know you are either deeper life or belong to one of those churches that believe they can impress God with their deeds. Hebrews 11:6.

The problem with you people is that because you think you can observe laws you are better than those who can't observe it but you forget that we are no longer bound by law. Romans 7:1-13.

What we do when we commit sin both intentionally and unintentionally is offend God but we have an intercessor pleading day and night on our behalf Romans 8:34 and our lives is hid in Him colossians 3:3 when God looks at a Christian, He sees Jesus.

We are dead to sin, Christians can't commit sin and it has no power over us or the power to send us to hell Romans 6:11.

Let me tell you, there is only one criteria to be met as a Christian to make heaven and that is John 3:16.

We should stop all these nonsense and stop scaring sinners away from the loving Father who loves us so much that he even numbered the hair on our heads Luke 12:7

Even look at 1 John3:9 'No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God' but you forgot to let people read from the beginning of chapter 3 what John is saying is not that we should abstain from sin because it offends God but an affirmation of Romans 6:11. Dude, we are dead to sin, Christians can not commit sin.

What exactly are you even trying to say? That a smoker of 20years should stop smoking the very day he repents, is that even possible except through the Grace of God that delivers him of that demon.


PLEASE CHRISTIANS OUT THERE, DO NOT LET ANYONE INTIMIDATE YOU WITH HELL. IF YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS AND THAT HE IS THE SON OF GOD, NOTHING CAN STOP YOU FROM MAKING HEAVEN.

There are somethings that shouldn't be said to baby Christians because they will abuse it. This nonsense of trying to please God through dead deeds should stop and we should embrace biblical truth, the Holy Spirit (our teacher, helper, master, friend, healer-love You so much) and let Him show you all things.

If the original sounds like deeper life, ur own reeks Christ Embassy

Bidam: Hebrews 6:6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.[color=#990000][/color] REPENT..PAUL SAID IT.

Are you ok, did he write Hebrews to the church or to the Jews. My brother the book of Hebrews was written to the Jews to bring them out of Judaism in to Christ fully, considering the way they held their tradition in high esteem.

shdemidemi:

Are you ok, did he write Hebrews to the church or to the Jews. My brother the book of Hebrews was written to the Jews to bring them out of Judaism in to Christ fully, considering the way they held their tradition in high esteem.

You are not even a good false teacher. An unbeliever can smell your falsehood miles away.

Bidam: Do you believe that willful sins can lead to hell? Hebrews 10 says: …28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people
this scripture is talking about christians not pagans. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the lord really if you don't repent and turn from your sins.

My friend go and study, the entire book was referring to Judaisers. Stop trying too hard, accept the truth bro.

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The law of Moses is the ministration of condemnation.

shdemidemi:

My friend go and study, the entire book was referring to Judaisers. Stop trying too hard, accept the truth bro.

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The law of Moses is the ministration of condemnation.

Do not be contumacious.That scripture is talking about all Christians..what God says to one He says to ALL. Repent!!!!!

Bidam: You are not even a good false teacher. An unbeliever can smell your falsehood miles away.

That is one of the mistake you people make, you are so wrapped up in the law of Moses. When a Christian does something, the next thing is, 'and you call yourself a Christian'. Yes I am a Christian but I still carry my body members just like you. It does no de-Christian me, every Christian is a WORK-IN-PROGRESS. None is perfect, I can tell you to shut up if you say rubbish, I can call you a fool if you act a fool.

Except you are holier than the pioneer of this gospel who screamed

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Bidam:
Do not be contumacious.That scripture is talking about all Christians..what God says to one He says to ALL. Repent!!!!!

O see how foolish you talk, even when God curse people, He cursed all as well or you just pick the good ones. The bible says 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We need to rightly divide the word of truth at all times, you cannot afford to pack everything together. If an atheist face you with questions, you will then be confused cos contradictions would appear if you don't divide the word rightly. The bible says study study study

shdemidemi:

That is one of the mistake you people make, you are so wrapped up in the law of Moses. When a Christian does something, the next thing is, 'and you call yourself a Christian'. Yes I am a Christian but I still carry my body members just like you. It does no de-Christian me, every Christian is a WORK-IN-PROGRESS. None is perfect, I can tell you to shut up if you say rubbish, I can call you a fool if you act a fool.

Except you are holier than the pioneer of this gospel who screamed

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Define a false teacher. I can cite so many examples of them in scriptures who are always among the sheep claiming they are christians.

shdemidemi:

O see how foolish you talk, even when God curse people, He cursed all as well or you just pick the good ones. The bible says 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We need to rightly divide the word of truth at all times, you cannot afford to pack everything together. If an atheist face you with questions, you will then be confused cos contradictions would appear if you don't divide the word rightly. The bible says study study study

hmnn. i have never seen you debate with an atheist here. What gave you the impression that i don't have answers to an atheist?

Bidam: Define a false teacher. I can cite so many examples of them in scriptures who are always among the sheep claiming they are christians.

SIMPLE, a false teacher is anyone who does not teach the gospel/good news of Christ. examples are a teacher of the law of moses, a prosperity teacher, miracle and healing teacher etc.

The only gospel churches should be teaching now is the story about the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ. Anything outside this is false.

Bidam: hmnn. i have never seen you debate with an atheist here. What gave you the impression that i don't have answers to an atheist?

True, I rarely do because there is no point arguing with anyone that does not believe in the scriptures. If such person come up with contradictions in the bible, I can clear that part but asides that what has light got to do with darkness.

shdemidemi:

SIMPLE, a false teacher is anyone who does not teach the gospel/good news of Christ. examples are a teacher of the law of moses, a prosperity teacher, miracle and healing teacher etc.

The only gospel churches should be teaching now is the story about the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ. Anything outside this is false.

What about the ones like you that preach once saved always saved and we should only accept the gospel of paul and the other epistles should be discarded.Are you not false?

shdemidemi:

True, I rarely do because there is no point arguing with anyone that does not believe in the scriptures. If such person come up with contradictions in the bible, I can clear that part but asides that what has light got to do with darkness.

But the bible gave us a mandate to preach in season and out of season.Even paul became a jew,greek and a gentile in order to save some. Your Job is to preach.It is God that saves.

Bidam: What about the ones like you that preach once saved always saved and we should only accept the gospel of paul and the other epistles should be discarded.Are you not false?

Paul's epistles are actually the only epistles to the church. No other person wrote to the church although one of Paul's epistles says 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Did you see that everything was FOR YOUR INFORMATION and not no for practice, therefore, I can also add that any pastor or church that is not preaching the epistles of Paul is false.

As for once saved ever saved the scripture says-
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. The only way that the devil can own me after he has been paid by the blood of Christ is if Christ takes his blood back. Until then I am covered by His blood.

Bidam: But the bible gave us a mandate to preach in season and out of season.Even paul became a jew,greek and a gentile in order to save some. Your Job is to preach.It is God that saves.

Did I say to you that I don't preach. I said I don't argue with atheist, it is unedifying.
The scripture says In the days of God's power, His people shall be willing. A willing person can be preached to, we were not sent to argue with unbelievers. Moreover, when you say us, you can't preach yet cos if you do, you are automatically a false teacher cos you are still under the law of Moses.

shdemidemi:

Paul's epistles are actually the only epistles to the church. No other person wrote to the church although one of Paul's epistles says 4

You are a liar here.Peter wrote to the churches.
v1 I am Peter, an *apostle of Jesus Christ. I send this letter to you who are Christians in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia. You are living in these places as foreigners. v2 It was God’s purpose to choose you to belong to him. The Holy Spirit has made you holy, because Jesus Christ has made you clean from *sin by his blood. May God give you more and more of his *grace and peace.

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Did you see that everything was FOR YOUR INFORMATION and not no for practice, therefore, I can also add that any pastor or church that is not preaching the epistles of Paul is false.

You misinterpret what paul wrote here. Here is the rejoinder to that scripture. 2 Timothy 3:15–17:

15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Note:

the Greek word for ‘Scriptures’ in v.15 is γράμματα (grammata), and must refer to the OT alone, as these are the only Scriptures Timothy would have known from his childhood
in v. 16, the word translated ‘Scripture’ is γραφὴ (graphē), which would include the OT plus all the NT written by then (AD 63), i.e. all the NT except 2 Peter, Hebrews, Jude, and John’s writings. As Paul’s writings were divinely inspired, this statement would apply even to the latter books.
‘God-breathed’ is a correct translation by the NIV of the Greek word θεόπνευστος (theopneustos). If Scripture is ‘God-breathed’ and God cannot err, it logically follows that Scripture cannot err.
Scripture is able to make a man ‘wise unto salvation’ and ‘thoroughly furnished unto all good works’. This implies that Scripture contains all the doctrine and moral law we need.

http://creation.com/the-authority-of-scripture

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As for once saved ever saved the scripture says-
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. The only way that the devil can own me after he has been paid by the blood of Christ is if Christ takes his blood back. Until then I am covered by His blood.

you are still unable to address why a believer who is bought with a price should treats the blood of the covenant with disdain and insult the spirit of grace from the Hebrews verse i quoted.

shdemidemi: Did I say to you that I don't preach. I said I don't argue with atheist, it is unedifying.
The scripture says In the days of God's power, His people shall be willing. A willing person can be preached to, we were not sent to argue with unbelievers. Moreover, when you say us, you can't preach yet cos if you do, you are automatically a false teacher cos you are still under the law of Moses.

But your paul said this na..2 Corinthians 10:5

New International Version (NIV)

5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

Bidam: You are a liar here.Peter wrote to the churches.
v1 I am Peter, an *apostle of Jesus Christ. I send this letter to you who are Christians in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia. You are living in these places as foreigners. v2 It was God’s purpose to choose you to belong to him. The Holy Spirit has made you holy, because Jesus Christ has made you clean from *sin by his blood. May God give you more and more of his *grace and peace.

You are coming across as been desperate now...he was writing to a selected people there. The man was writing to the Jews who also believe in Christ and not the church.

Bidam:

You misinterpret what paul wrote here. Here is the rejoinder to that scripture. 2 Timothy 3:15–17:

15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

I know, I have cleared this part for you before. Anyway, look through the whole of the book of Timothy where Paul was telling Timothy what to do in his absence and find anywhere Paul says to him to do anything according to the Old Testament or according to the law of Moses.

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Bidam:

you are still unable to address why a believer who is bought with a price should treats the blood of the covenant with disdain and insult the spirit of grace from the Hebrews verse i quoted.

Paul was talking to Jews who still hold the law of Moses over the gospel of Christ, he was not talking to you and I jo.

Bidam: But your paul said this na..2 Corinthians 10:5

New International Version (NIV)

5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

You should be ashamed of yourself, it is now my Paul. Are you sure you want to adhere to the word or you want the Word to adhere to you.
He is talking about a knowledge like yours, a knowledge of the law or Gnosticism or exorcism within the church not with unbelievers but with false teachers.

He will then tell Timothy

4 [b]Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [/b]so do.

5 [b]Now the end of the commandment is charity [/b]out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

shdemidemi:

You are coming across as been desperate now...he was writing to a selected people there. The man was writing to the Jews who also believe in Christ and not the church.

Me ke! desperate? Is it becos i am responding to your lies ?. You are still lying the letter was addressed to both jews and gentiles.

I know, I have cleared this part for you before. Anyway, look through the whole of the book of Timothy where Paul was telling Timothy what to do in his absence and find anywhere Paul says to him to do anything according to the Old Testament or according to the law of Moses.

You are still a liar.that scripture is clear even a primary school kid knows what it meant.rebuke,exhort,train ..oya debunk that
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Paul was talking to Jews who still hold the law of Moses over the gospel of Christ, he was not talking to you and I jo.

You are a very dishonest liar. Paul was specifically addressing Christian jews who believe in the death and Resurrection of Christ.And it is very much applicable to you and i.

shdemidemi: You should be ashamed of yourself, it is now my Paul. Are you sure you want to adhere to the word or you want the Word to adhere to you.
He is talking about a knowledge like yours, a knowledge of the law or Gnosticism or exorcism within the church not with unbelievers but with false teachers.

He will then tell Timothy

4 [b]Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [/b]so do.

5 [b]Now the end of the commandment is charity [/b]out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

I wonder how a letter to the corinthians now switched back to timothy are you ok at all did you take your pills?

Bidam: Me ke! desperate? Is it becos i am responding to your lies ?. You are still lying the letter was addressed to both jews and gentiles.


You are still a liar.that scripture is clear even a primary school kid knows what it meant.rebuke,exhort,train ..oya debunk that
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You are a very dishonest liar. Paul was specifically addressing Christian jews who believe in the death and Resurrection of Christ.And it is very much applicable to you and i.

Take It easy bro, believing in the death and Resurrection as a Christian cannot be mixed with rituals or tradition. That is exactly what this man is telling them, you cannot hold on to the law of Moses on one hand and hold unto Christ on the other.

Bidam: I wonder how a letter to the corinthians now switched back to timothy are you ok at all did you take your pills?

take it easy, I used the Timothy quote to let you know what Paul thinks about arguments that are unedifying.

shdemidemi:

Take It easy bro, believing in the death and Resurrection as a Christian cannot be mixed with rituals or tradition. That is exactly what this man is telling them, you cannot hold on to the law of Moses on one hand and hold unto Christ on the other.

ok gIve a brief summary of the background and features of hebrews which was very heavily dependent on the OT.

shdemidemi:

take it easy, I used the Timothy quote to let you know what Paul thinks about arguments that are unedifying.

Ok.. why did paul argued with the greeks?

Bidam: ok gIve a brief summary of the background and features of hebrews which was very heavily dependent on the OT.

Not now mate.. Ask direct questions, can't do anything long at the minute.

Bidam: Ok.. why did paul argued with the greeks?

Any where belle face argument..you will need to contact Paul for that, I believe I am done on this thread now. Go through everything we talked about and study along that line.