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Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by italo: 12:38pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: If we are here for no reason or purpose, why must everyone conform to idea of reasoning logically? Is that their purpose in life? |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 12:39pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
italo: "life is meaningless" ^^^ "Life" in the above sentence means "living", "consciousness", "being alive". If I asked you to describe consciousness and why we are conscious, you wont be able to answer. But if I asked you what a table is and why tables are made, it is answerable. The difference here is that man made constructs have meaning because we humans give it meaning. We can put a purpose to many things because we made them- we did them for a reason. You did not create yourself and no one knows how life came about. If we did, we wouldnt be here debating the meaning of life or the purpose of life. Logic on the other hand is a tool only humans can use. Many aspects (but not all) of logic are human constructs. In that sense we can apply purpose to some logic. See the difference? |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 12:40pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
italo: Who said that? You love strawmen, dont you? |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by honourhim: 12:41pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
herald9: His views and definition of life is limited within our existence in this world and that's why life is meaningless to him and his co-travellers. For us christians we know that life transcends this earth. Eternity awaits every human after we are done here on earth. For most of us christians, our confidence in the life after here is not only that it is in the bible but on very strong personal convictions. I don't beg people to believe. Its a matter of time for each of us to leave this world then the doubters will know whether we are right or wrong. Nobody can confuse me on something I have strong convictions about. We all came into this world differently and will go differently so I cant sacrifice my convictions on the altar of someone else's. |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 12:41pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
italo: You are free to be illogical. The point here is that a well reasoned life is a better life. We can all see how delusional people end up. The choice is yours to be sensible |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by italo: 12:42pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
davien: And one is meaningless while the other has meaning? Atheistic gymnastics! |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 12:42pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
honourhim: How do you know that life transcends earth? Have you been beyond earth? You ascribe meaning to things which are not there. |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 12:43pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
italo: lol..... A man in a coma is alive but is he really "living"? Learn to appreciate the difference |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by italo: 12:47pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: How can you be the one to define what a "better life" is when you think life has no meaning? How do delusional people end up and what could be wrong with their ending, in a meaningless life? 1 Like |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by sinequanon: 12:48pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
"Meaningless" and "purposeless" are not attributes of life, but of your attitude towards life. It depends on the individual. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by italo: 1:03pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: 1. You falsely assume I don't know why we are conscious. I do. 2. You falsely assume you can be sure of why a table was made. You cannot know, except you made it. Even if you made it, you still might not know. Almost all of us have said at some point, "I dunno why I did it." 3. You falsely assume that no one knows how life came about. I do. 4. You assume that only humans can use logic. No scientific proof. 5. Logic itself was not invented by man. Where did it come from? Chemical reaction? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by italo: 1:08pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: No. A man in a coma is really dead, #ConfusedAtheist. So define "really living" and show us where you got the definition from. |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by italo: 1:12pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle:I guess logic and reasoning came from you then. Or could they be from God? JackBizzle: Yet you know life doesn't transcend earth...because you have been beyond earth? |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by UyiIredia(m): 2:33pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: By survival I mean the desire to keep on life living. Like other words it has multiple connotations. 1 Like |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by davien(m): 2:39pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
UyiIredia:how does this relate to mythological beings? 1 Like |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by honourhim: 3:02pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: Same question goes to you. How do you know that life does not transcend the earth? Have you exhausted the limit of life to be sure it ends here on earth? You can't draw conclusions on your limited knowledge. |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by Hiswordxray(m): 3:50pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: That was because he was using the wisdom of man. But in Christ you find life true purpose, you will get to be a part of God's divine plan. A plan that he had right from the foundation of the world, a plan bigger than you and I, a plan hidden in a mystery that even wise king Solomon couldn't see nor the greatest genius figure out. It was hidden in a mystery but now it reveal to us through the Spirit of God (1Cor 2:6-15). |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 5:06pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
italo: effectiveness and purpose are two different things. We do not know the purpose of a tiger but we do know that it is effective at hunting smaller prey. One of the best hunters in the jungle. A man with a purposeless or meaningless life might be a very wealthy and healthy man. Yet, he still feels empty on the inside. |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 5:11pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
italo: 1) No one knows what exactly and for what purpose we are conscious. Well, unless you are an expert liar. Even scientists accept that they do not fully understand consciousness 2) So we dont know why people make tables??!!! Why are you such a liar? 3) Stop the lies. No one knows how life came about. 4) Animals cant reason the way we do. Stop stretching nonsense arguments. Why should we be debating this? 5) Some forms of logic are actually human constructs. Ask about what I mean instead of just disagreeing out of malice |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by honourhim: 5:11pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: Yet solomon had this to say- "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter, fear God and keep his commandment, for this is the whole duty of man" Ecclesisates 12:13. |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 5:12pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
honourhim: Solomon was a confused man....too many wives |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by honourhim: 5:21pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: Yea and the confusion made him declare life vanity. Could this be your state now that made you declare life meaningless and purposeless? Solomon later discovered that living for God makes life meaningful and purposeful. You too can do same. God help you. Amen. |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 5:25pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
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Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by Hiswordxray(m): 5:28pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: Stop putting up stupid argument and listen to your heart. Inside of you, you feel empty and you are desperately crying for help, you need answer. Here am I offering you a solution, for Jesus is the answer. He cares about you and it breaks his heart that you feel empty instead of enjoying the fullness of life he died to give you. Come to him now, experience the love of God and that emptiness will disappear. Stop reasoning with your head, all does knowledge you have gathered are making you confuse. Reason with your heart and give it the satisfaction it cries out for. It is God your heart is crying out for. God is love and he would flood your heart with his love. |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 5:29pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: Keep preaching and just maybe, Jesus will come back from the dead |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by luvlyoracle(m): 5:41pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
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Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 5:51pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by Hiswordxray(m): 5:57pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: I know many Christians had done it wrong but I could help. I could introduce you to God and he would transform your life. You would find out he is everything you are looking for. |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by luvlyoracle(m): 6:03pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle:That ain't the reason u should generalize naa |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 8:28pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: What really irritates me and many atheists is the way these evangelical christians talk to you about introducing you to Christ/God as if they are giving you one million dollars. 2 Likes |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by JackBizzle: 8:28pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
Re: Let Us Be Honest- Life Is Both Meaningless And Purposeless by Hiswordxray(m): 8:46pm On Nov 11, 2014 |
JackBizzle: I am giving you the answer you have been searching for, I am offering you rest. Eph 4:3,10 "For we who have believed do enter that rest,... For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His." You will find rest in Christ for he promised "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." (John 14:27). This offer is better than a million dollar, even those swimming in gold still suffer from lack of Christ. But Christ loves you and it breaks his heart to see you suffer from emptiness, feeling like life is purposeless when he died to give you a divine purpose. He what you to be a part of his glorious plan which he had from the foundation of the world. Don't be afraid just listen to your heart. |
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