An2elect2:
Lol look at them jumping from one lie to another.
Atheists, are you guys for real?
Simple question: how did all these different languages come about?
You don't believe the bible account. We have heard o. Oya tell us your own now lol or forever hold your lies (i mean peace).

My dear forget those who are telling you the moon goat tales without giving you a link where the information came from. The issue on ground here is about history, I see no reason why someeone should quote something that has no link with a historical writing. We are not doing child's play here. May be Seun will have to open children's section for them.

Weah96:


I told you. A moon goat descended and first offered language to cockroaches who refused. Humans accepted the offer and the rest is history.

Do your sorry selves a favour and answer the question.

You and nobody on earth believes this dry tale okay? lol.

Now hurry up, dig out books of your superiors and post them here since it is obvious that y'all are 'brainrupt'

honourhim:


My dear forget those who are telling you the moon goat tales without giving you a link where the information came from. The issue on ground here is about history, I see no reason while someeone should quote something that has no link with a historical writing. We are not doing child's play here. May be Seun will have to open children's section for them.

You are so on point.

Just watching them make a fool of themselves.

An2elect2:


Do your sorry selves a favour and answer the question.

You and nobody on earth believes this dry tale okay? lol.

Now hurry up, dig out books of your superiors and post them here since it is obvious that y'all are 'brainrupt'

The biblical account sounds more preposterous.

My account contains believable characters. You have seen the moon, and you have seen a goat. What you don't know, and I do, is that there were talking goats on the surface of the moon at some point, one of which managed to descend and offer language to a mankind.

Every tribe on the planet has its own myth about the origin of language. Mine is a fact. The moon goat is willing to tell you this FACE to FACE. He's still alive!!

Weah96:


The biblical account sounds more preposterous.

My account contains believable characters. You have seen the moon, and you have seen a goat. What you don't know, and I do, is that there were talking goats on the surface of the moon at some point, one of which managed to descend and offer language to a mankind.

Every tribe on the planet has its own myth about the origin of language. Mine is a fact. The moon goat is willing to tell you this FACE to FACE. He's still alive!!

The biblical account is very far from sounding preposterous. It makes perfect sense cos that was something caused by God himself. I don't and would not limit my God to my five senses. That's being unreasonable!

Now, wait. A talking goat managed to descend from the moon to offer language to mankind? hahahahahahaha hhahahhahahaha kikikikiki lmao hahahaha help somebody!
where humans just gawking at themselves before the mysterious goat came with the languages? lol

Oh my am afraid to say this: you are worse than atheists.
I hope you get saved seriously.

An2elect2:


The biblical account is very far from sounding preposterous. It makes perfect sense cos that was something caused by God himself. I don't and would not limit my God to my five senses. That's being unreasonable!

Now, wait. A talking goat managed to descend from the moon to offer language to mankind? hahahahahahaha hhahahhahahaha kikikikiki lmao hahahaha help somebody!
where humans just gawking at themselves before the mysterious goat came with the languages? lol

Oh my am afraid to say this: you are worse than atheists.
I hope you get saved seriously.

he is truly worse than atheists. Making a claim on a historical event with no link is quite pathetic and deserves a SOS call.

An2elect2:


The biblical account is very far from sounding preposterous. It makes perfect sense cos that was something caused by God himself. I don't and would not limit my God to my five senses. That's being unreasonable!

Now, wait. A talking goat managed to descend from the moon to offer language to mankind? hahahahahahaha hhahahhahahaha kikikikiki lmao hahahaha help somebody!
where humans just gawking at themselves before the mysterious goat came with the languages? lol

Oh my am afraid to say this: you are worse than atheists.
I hope you get saved seriously.

Quit acting like an ignoramus. The goat is still alive today and is willing to reveal these secrets to you.

Why are you using your five senses when it comes to this celestial goat? Open your heart.

An2elect2:

Bros ignore this child and his diversionary tactics.

honourhim:


Yet in the same old testament we saw God causing other tribes to war against the Hebrews and defeat them, taking them into captivity for many years. The same old testament contains instructions, promises and guides which are not restricted to the Hebrews alone but for us all.

The bible is a combination of various things. No where in the OT does the God of the bible claim to be God of all. Even when he allows the enemies of his chosen people to defeat them according to the tales, he still makes sure they know thet their enemies are not his people.

Says who? The bible is not in the same category with any of these books.

How is the bible better than the Koran or the Hindu scriptures. Provide empirical evidence for this assertion of yours.

Like i said, the Koran recognized Jesus as the prophet of God and that God took him to heaven, there are some other biblical characters and stories that the koran admitted as true from the little i ve seen now and obviously the Koran was written after the bible. I cannot trust its second hand account more than the biblical account.

The Koran even agrees partly with the bible creation account.

The Koran just like the new testament is predicated on the Hebrew bible. Jews do not recognize Jesus or any thing written in the NT. The NT and Koran are the same. The Koran is just another mythical religious book.

The little i read now about the hindus creation account shows nothing definite in their creation account like that of the bible. They just sampled what they think are possibilities concerning creation. I cant also trust their guess work. Moreover the issue here is not about what other religion think about creation. We are talking about languages here. Do the muslim and the koran have account of how languages came to be? Pls present it

Show me one definite thing in the biblical creation account. The bible says the earth was created before the sun. We know that to be false.

honourhim:


Who wrote Genesis? How are you sure that it was one person that wrote it? Again people in those days lived up to nine hundred years and above but it seems you are looking at them with the present day life span of below hundred years (or a little above 100 years for a few).

I don't know who wrote the Genesis but I don't see any reason why we should accept what's beyond the ordinary. It is hard enough to believe a thousand year old scribe wrote down the earliest book of the Bible.

It's funny how the OP accuse science of failure to explain creation and existence when the Bible is worse at it

Can any Christian tell us how water came about?
How the moon was formed
How the moon emits light
How the Sun is sighted at morning and out of sight at night
How rain falls

Jst to ask a few

It's simple.
The need for communication and the ability to communicate is biologically innate. From the dance of the bee to indicate the direction of food, to the croaking of toad to attract a potential mate, to the hissing of a snake on sensing a potential prey, to the singing of the birds to imitate the natural environment and blend in it or attract a potential mate, to the gibberish of apes to indicate various emotional wants and desires as well as express such.
None is however as complex and diverse as the human language system. Perhaps it is our psychological dominance over fellow species or an increase in complexity of needs that prevailed on the earliest of our species to develop from basic grunt to more complex grunts to more distinct sounds to earliest forms of known language.
It is pertinent to note that there is as there is no such thing as a first man, there is no such thing as first as a first language. There are first men and first languages. However, environmental, geographical and biological factors affect the tone and accent as well as vocalisation of these languages.
As man spread, new languages were formed. Some languages died and have stayed that way. Some have mixed with other languages to form new hybrid languages.
The evolution of language is one aspect of science that is not entirely certain yet. However, this is the most plausible model yet (I stand to be corrected).
Any questions?

dalaman:


The bible is a combination of various things.

Bro you are just running from pillar to post.

dalaman:



How is the bible better than the Koran or the Hindu scriptures. Provide empirical evidence for this assertion of yours.


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Provide an empirical evidence to show that bible is the same with Koran etc. as you said.

dalaman:

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The Koran just like the new testament is predicated on the Hebrew bible. Jews do not recognize Jesus or any thing written in the NT. The NT and Koran are the same. The Koran is just another mythical religious book.

Lies. Many Jews are born again and do pray in the name of Jesus. They sing Jesus in their songs recognizing him as the son of God and the albums are out there.

dalaman:




Show me one definite thing in the biblical creation account. The bible says the earth was created before the sun. We know that to be false.

How did you know it is false? were you there in creation to be sure the sun came first?. Just because a group of scientists told you in Wikipedia it then makes it right and the biblical account wrong? No sir.

honourhim:


Bro you are just running from pillar to post.

No m not, the bible contains so many contradictions is the point I was making.

Provide an empirical evidence to show that bible is the same with Koran etc. as you said.

Both were written by humans who lied that some divine being told them to write it. The bible claims it s the word of God same with the Koran. Can your provide empirical evidence to show that the Koran is not the word of God? have you falsified the main claim of the Koran?

Lies. Many Jews are born again and do pray in the name of Jesus. They sing Jesus in their songs recognizing him as the son of God and the albums are out there.

Which Jews are you talking about? not the ones living in Israel go to Israel because over 95 percent of them are non christians, they practice Judaism not christianity.

How did you know it is false? were you there in creation to be sure the sun came first?. Just because a group of scientists told you in Wikipedia it then makes it right and the biblical account wrong? No sir.

Space observatory have sent images of planets forming around their parent stars at different levels. The star always comes first before the planets form later on. Can you explain to me how it is possible for our planet to exist without the sun? What was our earth orbiting around?. How is day and night possible without the sun? Do you know what causes day and night? Just explain to me in clear terms.

dalaman:


No m not, the bible contains so many contradictions is the point I was making.

Ahhh.. na wa for this your back and forth movement o bros.

Ok o...as regards the issue of contradictions that you mentioned, it depends on the individual reader of the bible. What you may see as contradiction, another person who understands the bible better than you can pull up another verse that balances such contradictions. Each of us have various degrees of understanding of the bible. The contradictions have more to do with our understanding than the bible itself.

dalaman:



Both were written by humans who lied that some divine being told them to write it. The bible claims it s the word of God same with the Koran. Can your provide empirical evidence to show that the Koran is not the word of God? have you falsified the main claim of the Koran?

This is simply your personal assumptions. You have no evidence to show that the people that wrote the bible lied. No evidence to show that it is not the word of God. Just the usual accusation we ve always heard from unbelievers and it remains as baseless as it has always been.

As for the Koran, i ve told you that Koran acknowledged Jesus as the prophet of God whom God has taken to heaven, it also acknowledged some other bible characters as God's people and some bible info. Obviously the Koran came after the bible, I therefore cannot trust a second hand info (which the Koran is) more than the bible. Thats the reply i gave you and i'm still giving you.

dalaman:



Which Jews are you talking about? not the ones living in Israel go to Israel because over 95 percent of them are non christians, they practice Judaism not christianity.

Ok.. you now agree that some percentage of them are christians. Yet it is not strange to the bible that many Jews will not accept Jesus as the Messiah.

dalaman:




Space observatory have sent images of planets forming around their parent stars at different levels. The star always comes first before the planets form later on. Can you explain to me how it is possible for our planet to exist without the sun? What was our earth orbiting around?. How is day and night possible without the sun? Do you know what causes day and night? Just explain to me in clear terms.

This is not enough to conclude that the earth followed the same process in its beginning. The process through which the first man and woman came to the world in the bible is different from the process the rest of us came. You cant use the process the rest of the planets followed to conclude that the earth followed same process.

I am still waiting for your questions @ Honourhim.

honourhim:


Ahhh.. na wa for this your back and forth movement o bros.

Ok o...as regards the issue of contradictions that you mentioned, it depends on the individual reader of the bible. What you may see as contradiction, another person who understands the bible better than you can pull up another verse that balances such contradictions. Each of us have various degrees of understanding of the bible. The contradictions have more to do with our understanding than the bible itself.

This is completely not true. The bible contains contradictions that both Jewish and christian scholars acknowledge.

http://sunnahonline.com/ilm/dawah/0009.htm This link gives you just a link of 25 clear cut biblical contradictions that no body has been able to explain them away.

This is simply your personal assumptions. You have no evidence to show that the people that wrote the bible lied. No evidence to show that it is not the word of God. Just the usual accusation we ve always heard from unbelievers and it remains as baseless as it has always been.

We can put this to test, I don't want to state things that are obviously false in the bible like talking donkeys, the sun standing still, virgin births people dying and resurrecting, global flood, which are obvious lies but I want to just use you as a believer and test what Jesus says to show you that the bible and Jesus or who every wrote down what Jesus said are liars.

The bible is very very clear on how prayers are supposed to work if you truly believe. It is very clear, according to the bible if you truly believe nothing will be impossible for you after you have prayed. mark the words nothing will be impossible for you after you pray if you truly believe, I did not say it, Jesus himself said it according to the bible tales. Here we go:

"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you." Matthew 17:20

According to the bible if you have faith tiny and pray nothing will be impossible for you. You will be able to do anything as long as you have faith.

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. Matthew 21:21

The bible again reiterates that if you believe what ever you ask for you will receive.

Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, says. "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

Jesus says if you truly believe, what ever you ask for in his name he will do it.

I want you as a true believe to pray to your God knowing that you truly believe and with the verses I have quoted for you in the bible which claerly states how prayers are supposed to work, verses which says that nothing will be impossible for you if you pray with belief and which also states that what ever you ask for in prayers with belief will be done, taking these things in mind, I will like you to pray to your God to pease heal all the bible that have down syndrome in the world to be healed. They are innocent babies and are suffering for no reason of their own. Say that prayer with all the belief you have and I am telling you that nothing will ever happen, why because it is a lie. If the bible is true there will be evidence to show that christians that pray with so much belief suffer less than non christans, but that is not the case. I live around christians, i was a former christian, there is no evidence to show that prayer works for christians who truly believe and makes their lives more easier than that of non christians. That is clear evidence that who ever wrote the bible was clearly lying.Jesus himself lied with those words.

As for the Koran, i ve told you that Koran acknowledged Jesus as the prophet of God whom God has taken to heaven, it also acknowledged some other bible characters as God's people and some bible info. Obviously the Koran came after the bible, I therefore cannot trust a second hand info (which the Koran is) more than the bible. Thats the reply i gave you and i'm still giving you.

Th Koran copied stories from the bible and changed them because the founders of islam wanted to create a new religion out of the religion of the Jews and christians. That is all to it. The new testament came after the old testament and Jews also say that the story of Jesus is false.

Ok.. you now agree that some percentage of them are christians. Yet it is not strange to the bible that many Jews will not accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Less than 5 percent of the people living in Israel today are christains and majority of the christians are Arabs not Jews. All the Jews living there do not believe in Jesus.

This is not enough to conclude that the earth followed the same process in its beginning. The process through which the first man and woman came to the world in the bible is different from the process the rest of us came. You cant use the process the rest of the planets followed to conclude that the earth followed same process.

The earth we know and are living in followed the same process, the earth described in the bible is not the earth we are living in but a mythical earth that was created before the sun and the stars. that is not the earth we are living in. The universe that we are living in has laws, all planets came about the same way and all stars also came about the same way. The first people in the bible are not the first people to appear in this real world of ours, the first people in the bible are Jews, but the first people in the real world of ours were from Africa before they migrated to other parts of the world. Adam was the first man according to Jewish mythology, just as Obatala created the first man as a Yoruba man in Yoruba mythology or, in Chinese mythology Panku a Chinese man was the first man to be created, all these are tribal mythologies that have nothing to do with the real world. By the way you are still yet to explain to me how day and night occur without the existence of the sun. That alone clearly tells you that the bible is only referring to a mythical world not the one we live in, in the real world day and not is impossible without the sun.

dalaman:


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I'm just watching you as you are trying hard to divert this thread from the main issue but I don't fall for such tricks by you people. If you want to argue the so called contradictions in the bible you can open another thread for it so that those who are interested can sort it out with you. I ve told you that whatever you call contradictions can be balanced with another verse by someone who knows better. Feel free not to believe what I said.

For me, I don't argue bible with you atheists. You see life from the physical angle only while i see life both from the physical and spiritual angle. We are two parallel lines that cannot meet. The bible has physical and spiritual angle therefore you can't subject it only to phyiscal perspective. If you want us to argue bible then you must change your perspective of life from only physical to both physical and spiritual. If you can't come to my own stand point to view it then I can't also come to your own stand point to view it. Bible is a divine book, it doesn't matter whether you believe it.

That you don't believe in the spiritual perspective doesn't mean that the spiritual is false. I know you people's tricks of making people see the bible only from your own perspective. Such tricks don't work for me. You can try small minds who are not sure of their belief. Atheists views are not the benchmark of how life should be viewed. Believe what you like but your belief is not the limit of what life comprises. Thanks for your time.

honourhim:


I'm just watching you as you are trying hard to divert this thread from the main issue but I don't fall for such tricks by you people. If you want to argue the so called contradictions in the bible you can open another thread for it so that those who are interested can sort it out with you. I ve told you that whatever you call contradictions can be balanced with another verse by someone who knows better. Feel free not to believe what I said.

For me, I don't argue bible with you atheists. You see life from the physical angle only while i see life both from the physical and spiritual angle. We are two parallel lines that cannot meet. The bible has physical and spiritual angle therefore you can't subject it only to phyiscal perspective. If you want us to argue bible then you must change your perspective of life from only physical to both physical and spiritual. If you can't come to my own stand point to view it then I can't also come to your own stand point to view it. Bible is a divine book, it doesn't matter whether you believe it.

That you don't believe in the spiritual perspective doesn't mean that the spiritual is false. I know you people's tricks of making people see the bible only from your own perspective. Such tricks don't work for me. You can try small minds who are not sure of their belief. Atheists views are not the benchmark of how life should be viewed. Believe what you like but your belief is not the limit of what life comprises. Thanks for your time.

Still waiting.

Zikdik:
I am still waiting for your questions @ Honourhim.

No question bro. You only made assumptions. Nothing concrete to warrant questions.

honourhim:


I'm just watching you as you are trying hard to divert this thread from the main issue but I don't fall for such tricks by you people. If you want to argue the so called contradictions in the bible you can open another thread for it so that those who are interested can sort it out with you. I ve told you that whatever you call contradictions can be balanced with another verse by someone who knows better. Feel free not to believe what I said.

That wasn't my intention, but as the discussion progressed, it lead to the issue of biblical contradiction is is a fact no body denies. Even christian and Jewish scholars acknowledge the fact that the bible is riddles with contradictions. Some give different excuses, some say God allowed such contradictions to trap the wise. They keep throwing different explanations around.

For me, I don't argue bible with you atheists. You see life from the physical angle only while i see life both from the physical and spiritual angle. We are two parallel lines that cannot meet. The bible has physical and spiritual angle therefore you can't subject it only to phyiscal perspective. If you want us to argue bible then you must change your perspective of life from only physical to both physical and spiritual. If you can't come to my own stand point to view it then I can't also come to your own stand point to view it. Bible is a divine book, it doesn't matter whether you believe it.

What is the spiritual and how does it affect our lives as humans? Please give me and example of the spiritual in action and how it can be observed so that we know it is true. The spiritual means nothing and does no real work in reality. When a Buddhist monk comes to you and explains how his spiritual experience through the act of Yoga has positively impacted his life, you will discard it or try to look for natural explanations for it, same with a muslims, if a muslim comes to you using his so called spiritual experience of |slam and telling you how it has positively affected his life, you'll also discard it. Why then should I accept your so called spiritual talk that has never been measured or shown to have any effect on anything. In the world of the spiritual anything goes, an insect can have 4 legs, a square can have 8 sides, there can be day and night without the sun and on and on, the spiritual is meaningless, it is just the lies and just assumptions of people.

That you don't believe in the spiritual perspective doesn't mean that the spiritual is false. I know you people's tricks of making people see the bible only from your own perspective. Such tricks don't work for me. You can try small minds who are not sure of their belief. Atheists views are not the benchmark of how life should be viewed. Believe what you like but your belief is not the limit of what life comprises. Thanks for your time.

We are talking about creation, you were the one that came with a challenge about the biblical mythical creation narrative being true, please can you use your spiritual explanation to explain to me how there can be day and night without the sun, or how a language like Hebrew is the first language humans spoke. Use your spiritual knowledge to explain to me how the different races of human beings came about.

honourhim:


No question bro. You only made assumptions. Nothing concrete to warrant questions.

You have a better poised "assumption" ?

dalaman:


That wasn't my intention, but as the discussion progressed, it lead to the issue of biblical contradiction is is a fact no body denies. Even christian and Jewish scholars acknowledge the fact that the bible is riddles with contradictions. Some give different excuses, some say God allowed such contradictions to trap the wise. They keep throwing different explanations around.



What is the spiritual and how does it affect our lives as humans? Please give me and example of the spiritual in action and how it can be observed so that we know it is true. The spiritual means nothing and does no real work in reality. When a Buddhist monk comes to you and explains how his spiritual experience through the act of Yoga has positively impacted his life, you will discard it or try to look for natural explanations for it, same with a muslims, if a muslim comes to you using his so called spiritual experience of |slam and telling you how it has positively affected his life, you'll also discard it. Why then should I accept your so called spiritual talk that has never been measured or shown to have any effect on anything. In the world of the spiritual anything goes, an insect can have 4 legs, a square can have 8 sides, there can be day and night without the sun and on and on, the spiritual is meaningless, it is just the lies and just assumptions of people.



We are talking about creation, you were the one that came with a challenge about the biblical mythical creation narrative being true, please can you use your spiritual explanation to explain to me how there can be day and night without the sun, or how a language like Hebrew is the first language humans spoke. Use your spiritual knowledge to explain to me how the different races of human beings came about.

Using what you don't know, what you don't believe in, to explain things for you is an excercise in futility. Feel free to believe what you want. It doesn't change anything. Cheers.

N/B
Pls note that spiritual cuts across the good spiritual operations and the evil spiritual operations. The muslim and the Bhudist etc operate in the spiritual too and we don't deny this as you alleged. Even the bible told us about these spiritual forces so we don't doubt other religion when they talk about spirituality. Spiritual operations are not restricted to christianity alone pls.

Zikdik:

You have a better poised "assumption" ?

The biblical account doesn't appear like something being assumed. That you chose not to believe it doesn't make it false. That it is beyond your imaginations doesn't make it impossible. Feel free to believe what you want.

Honourhim....is your "god" real?

davien:
Honourhim....is your "god" real?

Sorry dear I don't have a god.

honourhim:


Sorry dear I don't have a god.

You aren't a believer?

honourhim:

Like I said, the position of this science on this isn't certain yet. Scientific enquiry is quite young. However, this is the latest and most plausible plosbiological model.
The biblical account doesn't appear like something being assumed. That you chose not to believe it doesn't make it false. That it is beyond your imaginations doesn't make it impossible. Feel free to believe what you want.

It does sound like an assumption to me. A poor one at that. Not more plausible than the snail shell and chicken Yoruba theory and the fact that you don't believe does not make it false.
Now that you've been adequately answered and you do not have a convincing reprehension, do close this educational embarrassment of a thread.

honourhim:


Using what you don't know, what you don't believe in, to explain things for you is an excercise in futility. Feel free to believe what you want. It doesn't change anything. Cheers.

N/B
Pls note that spiritual cuts across the good spiritual operations and the evil spiritual operations. The muslim and the Bhudist etc operate in the spiritual too and we don't deny this as you alleged. Even the bible told us about these spiritual forces so we don't doubt other religion when they talk about spirituality. Spiritual operations are not restricted to christianity alone pls.

If spirituality is true as you claim then why do christians always disagree. Very sincere christians disagree over doctrines and many other things. For example, there are christians that believe that the world was created just about seven thousand years ago, while some other christians believe that the earth has been in existence for billions of years. Please can you use your spiritual knowledge to settle this problem that exist even among christians who believe in this spiritual talk of yours once and for all?

Zikdik:

It does sound like an assumption to me. A poor one at that. Not more plausible than the snail shell and chicken Yoruba theory and the fact that you don't believe does not make it false.
Now that you've been adequately answered and you do not have a convincing reprehension, do close this educational embarrassment of a thread.

Rather you can walk away since you lack any meaningful contribution. Nobody forced you to comment rather you did on your own and sought for my response even while I wasn't showing interest in your submission. Thanks.

dalaman:


If spirituality is true as you claim then why do christians always disagree. Very sincere christians disagree over doctrines and many other things. For example, there are christians that believe that the world was created just about seven thousand years ago, while some other christians believe that the earth has been in existence for billions of years. Please can you use your spiritual knowledge to settle this problem that exist even among christians who believe in this spiritual talk of yours once and for all?

Who do you think is a christian? You think christianity is something one becomes by just claiming it anyhow?

davien:
You aren't a believer?

I am a believer in God.