May the gods/god/God u believe open doors of insult for. Do you understand that everything now is icococlastic? who cares? if jona says 'A' u will be suprised as more than one million will be attacking him. who cares.

BossTtdiamonds:

Stop beatin' 'bout the bush.. The argument here is what's the yardstick for your generalization..??
Exactly how do you know there's no holyspirit guidin' them..what is the premise of your argument..surely you can't tell me you just feel there's no holyspirit.. Cuz that would flaw the very essence of you livin'..
Dont' atheist argue out assertions e.g some believe in abiogenesis, some don't.. Some believe in the big bang, some dont... They all backup their claims with different theories...
If you look at it from a broader perspective..you guys are just as confused as you claim we are...

Agreed, we can disagree and get confused because we do not lay claim to any divine agent. You guys lay claim to a divine agent but disagree on almost every issue while still laying claim to the divine agent at the same time. Just go through the many threads here. You see people that disagree both laying claims to the Holy spirit. The holy spirit is just a construct believers invented to strengthen their belief.

dalaman:


You see people that disagree both laying claims to the Holy spirit. The holy spirit is just a construct believers invented to strengthen their belief.

Every NL poster who identifies himself as a Christian claims to have a legitimate relationship with Jesus. Yet some of them disagree whether his mother was a real virgin or an allegorical one. I don't understand it.

dalaman:


Agreed, we can disagree and get confused because we do not lay claim to any divine agent. You guys lay claim to a divine agent but disagree on almost every issue while still laying claim to the divine agent at the same time. Just go through the many threads here. You see people that disagree both laying claims to the Holy spirit. The holy spirit is just a construct believers invented to strengthen their belief.

The fact remains that in a class/department of many students, we'd have students who'd disagree over a subject matter until the instructor clears the air by layin' out the issue so all can understand. Still some students won't accept such corrections, and in their exams, they'd go ahead and write things they had been warned 'bout.
That's one of the problems most christains face, there's no doubt some cuz of pride do all these things. But the bible already states "look for me and you'll find me" if one is confused 'bout an issue, the person should pray and read the word of God, then the issue 'lld definitely be clear to such person.
As concernin' those who claim to hear things from the holyspirit, the bible does warn to "check to see if that spirit and the message is truly from God". Some persons in thier eagerness are decieved easily by spirits that are not from God, and of course its very easy to fabricate a story sayin' you got the message from the Holyspirit.

davien:
If you cannot understand that an atheist does not believe in "god",then this conversation is over....
I can't keep running around in circles explaining atheism to you.

Who asked you to explain atheism? Did you at all read my post? Why are you findin' it so hard to fathom a simple statement?

If you can't get the message now, then you're far from anythin' called Knowledge.
I had explained it earlier using Uppercase and Lowercase letters..and yes it's your use of the string "god" as oppossed to "God". When you understand, then we can argue..

How does tis' in anyways relate to what you quoted me sayin'... Tis' also is the second time you've mentioned me under this same statement..
Are you postin' from a script.. Just like your brother Weah??

davien:

Are you not obligated to uphold the biblical laws which include the scrutiny of homosexuals...the view of women as "under a man" and other intolerant views?

Where's your premise?

And the view I have of you is not that you have any factual knowledge of "god"(otherwise you'd present it).... it is a view of pity.

@bolded Oh! How touchin'...
You're probably lookin' for one to engage in a fruitless argument 'bout the existence of God..you clearly have the wrong guy.. If the variables surroundin' you cant convince you 'bout the existence of God, nothin' can...

Pity because for someone to believe a man could walk on water without being the tiniest bit skeptical,is very shocking.

How 'bout someone who believed that nothin' and nothin' collided with nothin' to form somethin' that created the earth with perfect details.. Or one that projects the concept of Microevolution into Macro Evolution?... Surely such persons are casuistic, saying they are deluded 'lld be a disgrace to the deluded persons..

honourhim:
Scientists and atheists do not believe the biblical account of creation yet they have failed woefully over the years to give us a superior account of creation.
The big bang, evolution etc have not given us any concrete thing to believe. Since they ve failed over the years to provide a superior creation account to that of the bible, lets leave them to keep battling with that one and lets proceed to the next one and see what they have to offer.

What's your contextual definition of superior? I wouldn't want to confuse you more than you already are.

honourhim:
We know the bible account of how the different languages/dialects of the world came to be so i dont need to go into it again.

Let me tell you what you know. You know what the Bible wanted you to know about the origin of languages which if YOU were not born as a believer (maybe Hindu ism, or Buddhism) you would probably believe something different. Doesn't that shake your confidence about your Bible-based knowledge?

Now, let me assume that "heaven" to the people of Babel meant clouds or sky. Here is the funny thing about believing in something, you will have to deal with providing evidences and answers.
Despite the fact that the account of Tower of Babel is monumentally preposterous to anyone who has knowledge in Historical linguistics, how can it ever be possible to build a brick structure that can reach the clouds?
The hotel in Dubai was built with steel rods and glasses so it could reach the height it did with calculation for atmospheric condition that might affect a building that high like vortex shedding.
Precision would be almost impossible at that height using a brick, not to talk of building it to heaven (lol).

Now even IF the COULD build a structure to the clouds, what the hell was God's problem? What was it (God) afraid of? That they would build to heaven and dethrone it?
Was God residing in Venus or Mars or moon that he doesn't want to be seen? If yes where did he move to now?
How many builders were in Babel, are they more than the America, or France, or Britain, or Spain, or Russia, or Germany? If God was scared of the people of Babel speaking the same language then he should be worried about those countries (speaking the same language too) or is knowledge decreasing that people cannot accomplish something more complex than a meaningless, silly, fictitious concept of building a brick wall to heaven?

Gen. 11:6 - God said "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them"

A. God is the cause of our interracial conflicts not Ishmael (on the side of the muslims) as many Christians believe.

B. God sounded surprised and ignorant of what they might be able to accomplish, was it? I thought it was omniscient.

So God created humans with different colors, as if that wasn't enough he then confused the only thing that might make them think of each other as one.

So he could (assuming he is omniscient) watch slavery, Boko Haram, Alqaeda, Racism etc. and LHAO
Anyway, that's a story for another day

I know you don't have answers so I'm not asking. I just want to give you a basic background to reasonable thinking.

honourhim:
Now can the scientists/atheists provide us with their own account of how the various thousands of different languages/dialects across the world came to be?

No, Scientists cannot provide us with the accurate origin of languages YET and science is built on fact not fairy tales so what do you recommend? Search for facts or believe in pinnochio?

And again, it is fallacious to say because there is no adequate explanation to a phenomenon means it is forever unexplainable and therefore must require a paranormal explanation.

But here is what I think. With all the complexity of human thought, if man can create air planes, phones, satellites, cars, computers, electricity etc. And you use them today how hard can it be for man to develop a f***in language?

If you have two people who never knew anyone and lived in a cave in the wild for say, 16 years do you think they'd just be looking at each other and using sign languages or they would create a means of communication with the knowledge that they can hear and make sounds? Tarzan is a fictional but, good example.

BossTtdiamonds:


The fact remains that in a class/department of many students, we'd have students who'd disagree over a subject matter until the instructor clears the air by layin' out the issue so all can understand. Still some students won't accept such corrections, and in their exams, they'd go ahead and write things they had been warned 'bout.
That's one of the problems most christains face, there's no doubt some cuz of pride do all these things. But the bible already states "look for me and you'll find me" if one is confused 'bout an issue, the person should pray and read the word of God, then the issue 'lld definitely be clear to such person.
As concernin' those who claim to hear things from the holyspirit, the bible does warn to "check to see if that spirit and the message is truly from God". Some persons in thier eagerness are decieved easily by spirits that are not from God, and of course its very easy to fabricate a story sayin' you got the message from the Holyspirit.

How do you know which spirit is the right spirit and which spirit is the wrong spirit? Every christian claims his or her spirit is from God. You can interpret the bible and another christian here can accuse you of having a bad spirit that is not from God. You too can do same for another sincere christian. There is no standard in reality for measuring anything. The holy spirit is just a construct invented to strengthen belief.

dalaman:


How do you know which spirit is the right spirit and which spirit is the wrong spirit? Every christian claims his or her spirit is from God. You can interpret the bible and another christian here can accuse you of having a bad spirit that is not from God. You too can do same for another sincere christian. There is no standard in reality for measuring anything. The holy spirit is just a construct invented to strengthen belief.

You'd know if a spirit is from God if the revelation recieved is within' what is written in the word of God. No true revelation goes out of the confinements of what is written in the word of God.
Some persons 'lld see clearly that a revelation is wrong/not from God, but they'd go on to spit thrash cuz of their selfish deeds and most times cuz they want to be exalted.
One more thin', every relationship with God is personal, and as Paul said "Let every Man be fully persuaded in his own mind Romans ch 14 vs 5b".
Plus every believer should have the holyspirit to confirm if what you've heard is true. "But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you : John 14 vs 26 (KJV). Note the bolded. The Word of God is replete with things that 'lld help you live a normal life the doctrine of the Holy Spirit inclusive..