Some people believe there is what is called destiny and some don't.
Whatever school of faith you belong, what is your position on destiny?
Share your view with us. Thanks 

I believe dat every man life has already been programmed by the Almighty,"Destiny".Now irrespective of wat d man does on earth,God's plan(s)for d individual will b fufilled and dats y i think a man can b a murderer,serial-killer and still b very successful in life and another man can b a saint and things won't just work out for him.

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Now,dis is a personal opinion

IDK but thats wat i was made to believe that everyman got a destiny

Predestination follows logically out of the omniscient (all seeing) and omnipotent (all powerful) properties of God. That of course contradicts the free will people supposedly have in the Christian worldview.
Your can't have your cake and eat it.

nferyn:

Predestination follows logically out of the omniscient (all seeing) and omnipotent (all powerful) properties of God. That of course contradicts the free will people supposedly have in the Christian worldview.
Your can't have your cake and eat it.

@ nferyn ,
Those were thought-provocating lines. So were exactly do you stand? Remember Paul wrote somethings on the subject in the early chapters of Romans.

@ KDK
I'm an atheist and I don't believe in predestination. Quantum Physics is sufficient evidence that predestination really doesn't exist.
On the other hand, for people that believe that God is both omniscient and omnipotent, they can only logically conclude that predestination is real and that free will is just a smokescreen. Any other position would mean that they don't truly believe God to be omniscient and omnipotent.
omniscience means having perfect knowledge of past, present and future, omnipotence means having the ability to make anything to be as you want
if God has perfect knowledge and all encompassing power, one can only conclude that everything that happens happens exactly as God wants and intends it to be, even future events = no free will

I can't believe that I am meeting an atheist that is not arguing for the sake of argument but one that actually knows what he is talking about. However, quantum physics is another story entirely. Once again, I applaud your strong sense of analysis.Thanks

KDK:

I can't believe that I am meeting an atheist that is not arguing for the sake of argument but one that actually knows what he is talking about. However, quantum physics is another story entirely. Once again, I applaud your strong sense of analysis.Thanks

I wouldn't declare victory just yet, I just [i]luuuv [/i]to argue (our dear admin even changed my screen name into argument at one time)

Why would you call quantum physics an entirely different story? The indeterminate nature of reality at it's lowest level indicates that chance events are very real and that the classical mechanistic worldview with neat cause-effect relations is really just a limitation of our inate human characteristics. Maybe time is linear to us because we can only perceive few dimensions of reality. That of course could be interpreted as an explanation for God's intervention and allows faith to be aligned to reason, but then one needs to leave behind the symplistic literalist interpretations some people make of their religious traditions. On the other hand, introducing God as an explanatory factor is entirely unnecessary

Now, where would that leave God? Well, at very least beyond any attempts at understanding His nature and as such completely inconsequential for our lives (if you accept the nature of the divine to be on another plane entirely from the physical world). The God as described and portrayed in the holy books of the main monotheistic religions is an antropomorphic creature that is in contradiction both with logic and the laws of nature. On top of that there is no convincing evidence in favor of His existence.
What is a reasonable person to do?

hmmmm, good use of words. Applause applause. Contrary to what you thot, I was not declaring victory. Rather, I was  commending your sound argument. Some people argue  but without reason to argue. But in your case, I see intellectualism. An open mindedness to learn new things.
At the end of our discussion,there will only be one outcome;which is that you will know your creator in a better way.
Let me start by asking you to tell me the number of dimensions you know and tell what each dimension consists.

I Believe in destiny

@ Liquidmind,
Can you share with us the reasons for this belief?

KDK:

hmmmm, good use of words. Applause applause. Contrary to what you thot, I was not declaring victory. Rather, I was commending your sound argument.

And I was just joking, this is not a contest, is it?

KDK:

Some people argue but without reason to argue. But in your case, I see intellectualism. An open mindedness to learn new things.
At the end of our discussion,there will only be one outcome;which is that you will know your creator in a better way.

I wonder. From my - rather limited - knowledge, all I can conclude uptill now is that the introduction of God in our understanding of reality is mostly unfalsifiable and less parsimonious. In other words, entirely unnecessary.
Now, I'm open to new evidence and insights because I still have trouble understanding why otherwise intelligent human beings feel a deep need to believe in God.

KDK:

Let me start by asking you to tell me the number of dimensions you know and tell what each dimension consists.

I don't understand why that is relevant, but in my day-to-day life, I deal with 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension. However, these are just good for mapping reality and they're not really in my mode of thinking.I know that in modern theoretical physics, they deal with more dimensions, but that's a field that I do not have the qualifications (and maybe the intelligence) for to properly assess.

Could you please tell me a little bit about the temporal dimension? I want to learn more. Just tell me whatever you know abt it, it doesn't have to be an expert's knowledge.

KDK:

Could you please tell me a little bit about the temporal dimension? I want to learn more. Just tell me whatever you know about it, it doesn't have to be an expert's knowledge.

What's your point exactly?

There is only Pre-destination.

The bible does not in any way teach free will human beings as many think of it.

Let me put it this way:

If a horse is 'set free', he will still just gallop and eat and play. He will not write a book of poetry, so when some one says you have 'freewill', it does not mean that you will do anything different than what your nature is.

As humans our nature is: anti-God. So we will use this freewill to be anti God.

As Christians, we can finally choose between our old nature and our new nature. Pro-God.

We even as Christians will still mostly choose anti-God, unless we use the whole word of God, the discipline, the obedience, the mercy and forgiveness to be different than our old nature.

Thus -- just saying you are a Christian -- is the reason that most christians do not look any different than any other person, they look just as sinful -- because they have not used the tools of the bible, to discipline themselves and truly get the habits of a kind forgiving and helpful person.

There is no such thing as 'freewill', except what is in your nature.

@Drusilla,
What you said is very contemporary especially to the everyday person who believes christianity is a religion rather than CHRISTIANITY BEING A WAY OF LIFE.

@nferyn ,
I think all KDK is asking is for you to explain what the temporal dimension is.

nonslike:

@nferyn ,
I think all KDK is asking is for you to explain what the temporal dimension is.

Just time. Question is what his intention is by asking me to explain it. I just don't see it's relevance. I'm sure though KDK will explain.

The intention is that I want to relate this knowledge to the one I already have on the fourth dimension afterwhich I will then tell you how relevant God is to this present world and how common the evidences are.

@ nferyn,
If I may ask, how come you are an active poster on this site especially against the back-drop of your race. (Please, I am not being racist, I am just trying to know what your interest is.)

He's married to a Nigerian lady ;-).

@SEUN,
Tanxx for the info.

@ KDK - - OFFTOPIC --
If you want some more background on me being here, the following thread should help:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-2598.0.html#msg91683

Destiny basically absolves any individual of responsibilities of their actions,I recently had a similar discussion with some Christians and a Muslim friend.
They all asserted that the outcome of their lives,pain and joys have being ordained by God.When questioned further about this contradiction notion with question of free will and sin,I got no real answer.

Logic is this.

1.If those who died in 9/11 attacks where distined to die that way,it means that those who carried out the attacks are not responsible for their action.
2.There is no need for laws, a justice system or nobody is quilty of sin and there is no need for messiah.because a thief,killer,rapist,teachers,doctors are all programmed or distined to be that.

Distiny and Freewill can not exist in the same space as they contradict each other,a PARADOX

Mrmayor,

That's right. There is no such thing as freewill taught in the bible for wicked people.

All they can do is act in their nature. Which serves sin.

So the terrorists sat there in their offices, signing and typing out papers that meant children around the world would be starved to death and denied the rights to the goods and money and land profits that would have fed them.

The terrorists acted in their nature and served sin, day in and day out in the World Trade Center.

The terrorists in the plane chose a more honest and honorable and less hypocritical way to kill, than the ones in the World Trade Center.

Both acted in their nature.

You guys never seize to leave an impression on me.

@Drusilla,
I don't get the point of your last post. Expatiate please.

Oh. And please forgive me if my African Americaness does not allow me to make false distinctions between 'people doing their job' (selling and lynching and catching runaway slaves) and 'the criminals' (those who run away or kill their masters).

I've lived too long in a place, where people with degrees and who are scientists and who write the papers and publish them and wax intellectually as if they are completely innocent and what they do is then justified by these papers and writings under the excuse of 'just doing their job' is really just one big fat hypocritical lie.

Drapetomania


"Drapetomania" was a psychiatric diagnosis proposed in 1851 by Louisiana physician Samuel A. Cartwright to explain the tendency of black slaves to flee captivity. As some slave owners felt they were improving the lives of their slaves, they could not understand the slaves' desire to escape.
As such, Drapetomania is an important historical example of scientific racism. The term derives from the Greek δραπετης (drapetes, "a runaway [slave]" + μανια (mania, "madness, frenzy".

The diagnosis appeared in a paper published in the New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal, where Dr. Cartwright argued that the tendency of slaves to run away from their captors was in fact a treatable medical disorder. His feeling was that with "proper medical advice, strictly followed, this troublesome practice that many Negroes have of running away can be almost entirely prevented." Cartwright proposed whipping as the most effective treatment of this disorder. Amputation of the toes was also prescribed

Cartwright also described another disorder, Dysaethesia Aethiopica, to explain the apparent lack of motivation exhibited by many slaves, which he also claimed could be cured by whipping.

References

Samuel A. Cartwright, "Report on the diseases and physical peculiarities of the Negro race", The New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal 1851:691-715 (May)
-- reprinted in Concepts of Health and Disease in Medicine: Interdisciplinary Perspectives, Boston, Addison-Wesley, 1980 (Arthur Caplan, H. Tristram Engelhardt, Jr., and James McCartney, editors).
-- reprinted in Health, Disease, and Illness: Concepts in Medicine edited by Arthur L Caplan, James J McCartney, Dominic A Sisti. Washington, DC: Georgetown University Press. 2004. ISBN 1589010140

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Drapetomania

@drusilla,
You no go kill me o o o

@nferyn,
That was a nice love story. You write it as a script, I am really proud to know someone that is as open-minded as you are. But candidly speaking, I think I might have been supercilious in character if I were to be a"white".I say this 'cos I feel superior to my other african brothers who are from nations like Ghana, Togo, Benin, Liberia and even southafrica.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

KDK,

Smile

@nferyn,
Before I start my discussion on God and the evidences supporting His existence, could you please name 5 scientists who in your own personal opinion are very fundamental to science especially science as we know it today?

@Drusilla,
I can see that you and Nferyn come from way back.