KDK,

Now you please explain that statement.

Or don't you read a bible that tells the Jews to remember their slavery FOREVER?

@Drusilla,
That statement is very deep and has deep meanings as well; to this effect, I am of the opinion that you are in the best position to explain to me - a humble learner.

KDK,

Read this:

1Ki 12:13 And the king answered the people roughly, and forsook the old men's counsel that they gave him;

1Ki 12:14 And spake to them after the counsel of the young men, saying, My father made your yoke heavy, and I will add to your yoke: my father also chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

1Ki 12:15 Wherefore the king hearkened not unto the people; for the cause was from the LORD, that he might perform his saying, which the LORD spake by Ahijah the Shilonite unto Jeroboam the son of Nebat.

You notice that it is the Lord that prevented the King from acting righteously?

Sometimes God prevents people from doing the right thing, so that His plan can come to fruitition.

Jesus gave WHITES a way to solve all the worlds problems, to bring forgiveness into this world for all WHITES.

Luk 16:8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: [b]for the children of this world [/b]are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

Luk 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

Unfortunately for Nferyn the children of this world (the athiests, socialists, liberals, etc ) do not run this world.

This world is ran by Christians like George Bush. And Christian nations like Europe and America.

So no matter how much he screams: I AM NOT LIKE THEM, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEIR GOD, I WANT TO DO BETTER BY BLACK PEOPLE.

He will still be treated just like one of them: the unwise christian children, who do not have enough sense just to make amends by giving back the money.

Which they could easily afford and in fact would make them loads more money as they paid themselves to build up the places in the planet they have torn down around the world -- middle east, africa, asia, south america, Black Americans.

However, God has another plan:

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Look at one of the things that Jesus is coming back to do:

Rev 11:18 --- and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Look at what part of God's plan to destroy the destroyers of the earth has in it:

Isa 13:3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

Isa 13:16 And their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be robbed, and their wives raped.

Isa 13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, who shall not value silver; and they shall not delight in gold.

Here it is again:

Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Somebody is very, very, very pissed off about what has happenned to them in this world. One day they will rise up and destroy those who destroyed them, only they will be twice as cruel and mean. Give her double.

I could go on and on but I do not like to scare the children.

Just let me say, that me and Nferyn do come from way back. The opposite sides though.

KDK,

In plain english:

You don't really believe that God had whites pick out the biggest, fastest, strongest Africans and bring them into their homes just to be slaves, do you?

Isn't God more purposeful than that?

Didn't God use the Jewish slaves for more than just slavery, while they were in Egypt and especially when it was time for them to leave Egypt?

Rhetorical question. Smile.

Oh and in case anyone is counting.

African Americans are 13 years away from being in America for 400 years.

Our slavery is almost over.

In the villages, there is a rumor that some of our people were taken away, but one day they will return as Supermen. _____Patrice Lumumba

I will feel a lot more comfortable and confident if i know that i am the driver of my own destiny.Pre-destination makes me nervous and unsure of myself.It means that i am not in control of my actions and the resulting consequences.That is very disconcerting.
If this being we call God really gave humans freewill,then i don't see why he/she/they should now make a U-turn and predestine what happens to them.Unless someone is teaching lies about God.

Jagunlabi,

Then you should start now to feel very uncomfortable.

I myself cried for 2 weeks straight when I realized that God has written every day of our lives out before we were even born.

Then I 'got it' and I begin crying out to God for His forgiveness. Knowing that my own hardheadness was why He had to go through those horrible things with me.

Remember God sent Adam and Eve out of the Garden to a terrible life, but He went with them.

It is us who needs to ask God for forgiveness when something bad happens to us in this life.

We force a merciful, kind, loving being to go through some horrible stuff, just because He loves us so much, He must do to us what is needed to ensure that we get home.

jagunlabi:

I will feel a lot more comfortable and confident if i know that i am the driver of my own destiny.Pre-destination makes me nervous and unsure of myself.It means that i am not in control of my actions and the resulting consequences.That is very disconcerting.
If this being we call God really gave humans freewill,then i don't see why he/she/they should now make a U-turn and predestine what happens to them.Unless someone is teaching lies about God.

Did you ever stop to think about the possibilty that it may be the destiny of someone to attempt to change their destiny? i.e the very attempt to even to change God's will may even be their destiny? I still need your opinions


@Drusilla,
I am being highly educated by your write ups. I have already vidted your stuff on "african albinos" and once again,i muct commend that it is highly educative and enlightening.

Drusilla,

Drusilla:

Unfortunately for Nferyn the children of this world (the athiests, socialists, liberals, etc ) do not run this world.
This world is ran by Christians like George Bush. And Christian nations like Europe and America

The last time I checked Europe and America are Secular Democracies.Your President was inspired by God to invade Iraq to find weapons of mass destruction in the process over 3000 American and 150 000 Iraqis have lost their lives,and we now know there were no WMD'd don't we?

Drusilla:

You notice that it is the Lord that prevented the King from acting righteously?
Sometimes God prevents people from doing the right thing, so that His plan can come to fruition.

Of course he does,if its his wish that 3000 people die in 9/11 attacks why should a man prevent if its the right thing to do?his plan has to come to fruition,if all humans can live in peace,God would prevent it because its his wish for Armageddon.if I can prevent the death of children,why do it?maybe its Gods will coming to fruition.

Maybe God prevented people from stopping Atlantic Slave Trade,maybe that his way of putting the most educated,richest,smartest black people in America before they require to get Visa and Green Card.

Drusilla my dear,
You are smart,atticultate,almost a  bible basher and I think I understand where you are coming from but you drive me mad sometimes.
Has is ever occurred to you that the bible you quote so many times were written by Jewish historians to justify their actions,that its all sanctioned by God.

Mrmayor,

Oh. Really? Europe is a secular democracy. Mother Earth save the queen, eh? That's right, God save the queen.

The bible says that there will be a war over in the middle east. The fact that GB has placed American troops, and the troops of 38 other countries in the middle east, should at least be interesting, even if you did not believe the bible.

We fight against people dying because God says to do so.

Think about this:

God says the anti-Christ is coming. Are you saying that just because God has said the anti-Christ is coming that Christians should love and appreciate and support the anti-Christ?

Of course not.

Don't confuse God's plans, with what you should do.

Mrmayor,
Could you please expatiate on this statement : "Has is ever occurred to you that the bible you quote so many times were written by Jewish historians to justify their actions,that its all sanctioned by God." ?

Drusilla:

Oh. Really? Europe is a secular democracy. Mother Earth save the queen, eh? That's right, God save the queen.

That's only a nominal attachement to religion you'll find in some European countries (mind you, the UK is not really representative for Europe). In practice, European societies are far more secularised - except maybe for the loonie twins government of Poland - than anything you'll find in the US.

KDK:

@nferyn,
Before I start my discussion on God and the evidences supporting His existence, could you please name 5 scientists who in your own personal opinion are very fundamental to science especially science as we know it today?

If you want scientists, I'll exclude nutwases like Freud, because what he did was anything but science .

I'll put them in order of importance (in my opinion, that is)

1. Charles Darwin
2. Isaac Newton / Albert Einstein
3. Maxwell
4. Niels Bohr
5. Karl Popper (not a scientists strictly speaking, but extremely important to scientific thought)

nferyn:

If you want scientists, I'll exclude nutwases like Freud, because what he did was anything but science .

I'll put them in order of importance (in my opinion, that is)

1. Charles Darwin
2. Isaac Newton / Albert Einstein
3. Maxwell
4. Niels Bohr
5. Karl Popper (not a scientists strictly speaking, but extremely important to scientific thought)

  You are so funny. I like your sense of humour and your good command of english. Why is Freud a nutwass?
Neways, Amongst those listed,could you please classify the scientists into these three groups?
1. BELIEVERS IN A CREATOR
2. NON BELIEVERS IN A CREATOR.
3. CONTROVERSIALS.

P.S,
I have my reasons for asking; reasons I presume you have already deduced.

KDK:


You are so funny. I like your sense of humour and your good command of english. Why is Freud a nutwass?

Oops, typo. I meant to write nutcase, of course

KDK:

Neways, Amongst those listed,could you please classify the scientists into these three groups?
1. BELIEVERS IN A CREATOR
2. NON BELIEVERS IN A CREATOR.
3. CONTROVERSIALS.

Let's go along (for the ones I know about, at least)
Charles Darwin: 3, controversial (was theist in the beginning, later in life he leaned more to an atheist worldview)
Isaac Newton: definitely 1
Einstein: 3, possibly 2
Maxwell: no idea
Niels Bohr: no idea
Karl Popper: definitely 2

KDK:

P.S,
I have my reasons for asking; reasons I presume you have already deduced.

I understand you must have your reasons, I don't see where you're heading, though. Anyway, this is highly intriguing, so I'll play along

KDK:

Mrmayor,
Could you please expatiate on this statement : "Has is ever occurred to you that the bible you quote so many times were written by Jewish historians to justify their actions,that its all sanctioned by God." ?

In my view,there is no difference between the old testament and the Koran,both endorse an eye for an eye,stoning for adultery,GENOCIDE,yes Drusilla genocide,these wickedly acts are all said to be encourage or directed by God/Jehovah/Allah himself.

In the bible, 1 Samuel,you get

Saul is rebuked by Samuel for "doing evil in the sight of the Lord" by failing to kill all of the Amalekites. 15:18-19

Because Saul didn't kill everyone as God commanded, God changes his mind about him being king. 15:23-26

This passages are often quoted by Nigerian Christians to enforced the importance of obeying the word of God aka word of Pastor without question.

@ nferyn,
Sorry for my seemingly disappearance. I had a particular strategy but the futility of it dawned on me as I sought wisdom; how can I be trying to explain something that is not of this world with things of this world? God belongs to a different realm- a higher dimension and as such I can only borrow the words of Paul in 1 Timothy 3:16 - Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

@ KDK
Exactly, God is unfalsifiable. Pointless to even try to prove his existence.

Well, God does not exist. Full stop. Take it or leave it, that's the truth!!

Seun,
Why do you say there is no God? God is " realer" than Abeokuta was to me when i was there last summer. If you are willing, I will show Him to you (for real).