angelgirl1:

Things such as saving sex for marriage, and just general morality I follow those same rules because they are sensible.

mrmayor:

Hello Nairaland, Mrmayor is back,

Hi, I've been away for almost two years now and wow! nairaland is rocking! I just couldn't help replying to this post.

@ Angelgirl,

My dear, I understand how you feel, its really hard expressing any opinion that does not accept the existence of a God, Allah, Satan or Mammywater, you can imagine a Rivers man, born and bred in Ijawland who questions or says that Mammywater aka ''Owo"does not exist! It just unacceptable. I can't tell you how many debates I've had with family and friends about why an All Loving, All Caring, All Knowing God who allows evil in the world, and a contradictory Bible, a cousin actually calls me the Anti-Christ.

My views especially about the churches, Pastors or question of tithes hurts my family members and putting a lot of stress on my relationship with them, I keep most my opinions to myself, what really gets to me is the inability of Nigerians to accept responsibilty for thier actions instead of blaming it on the devil imagine ( Blasphemy Against The Devil), its really sad.

@
Horus, Huxley, Tonye, Bindex, Banom,

You guys are doing a great job, thanks

Image123:

Lord have mercy, see as these 'full' people just swarmed my brother like flies. Unsettled people lacking basic peace that comes from the Prince of peace. I dare you all to ask just one question in a day if you're not a bunch of confused, fearful, depraved, hell-bound mortals.

OLAADEGBU:

Paul's letter to Nairaland's Atheists and their bedfellows (Romans 1:18-22)

Everyone knows there is a God. The evidence is all around us. In fact, the Creator designed the universe so that His many invisible attributes would be “clearly seen” in the things He made, so that we are “without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

“For all this they sinned still, and believed not for His wondrous works.” Psalm 78:32. Despite His wonderful work of creation, it is apparent that you guys still don't believe, giving lame excuses as to the reason why you don't believe, even those who have not heard the gospel truth have no excuse because of what God has made plain to everyone. Romans 1:18–21 has a more direct answer for atheists, evolutionists and your bedfellows. Those who have never heard are willfully guilty for rejecting God because God has revealed Himself clearly in the wonders of creation.

“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all impiety and injustice of men, who are seeking to suppress the truth by means of their unrighteous lives.” (Romans 1:18)

God is angry with the sinner everyday. Do you wonder why? God’s anger swells up because men are “suppressing the truth.”

The Greek word translated “suppress” means “holding down,” like chains in a prison. This same word was used to describe Joseph’s imprisonment in Genesis 39. God seethes with anger because unbelievers attempt to “imprison” the truth by their wicked lives.

Yet no matter how hard you guys wrestle to suppress God’s truth, God will not let them put it in a cage. Humans are “seeking”[/i]but failing to suppress the truth.

God’s anger is not ordinary anger. Our sin against what we know about God has reached the point that it would be immoral for God not to act. This anger “is being revealed” from heaven. God lets everyone know about His anger, not just once or occasionally, but continually. All of us know it including you rebels.

God directs this wrath against two things—“impiety” and “injustice.” Impiety, or ungodliness, refers to mankind’s failure to fulfil his obligation to his Creator. He holds the very molecules of our bodies together (1 Corinthians 8:4–6), and He enables the neurons in our brains to fire. So we are indebted to God, not just for health and life but for our ability to move and think. In return, we owe our Creator an infinite debt, we owe Him our complete love and devotion. Failure to pay this debt is impiety.

God’s indignation also swells against our “injustice.” Injustice refers to our failure to treat other human beings who are God’s special creations, with the respect that we know they deserve. When talk about the morality we lack when we abuse or neglect others, we shred God’s [i]Mona Lisa and smash His David into pieces. We commit a great offense against God’s creations, but our offense against their Creator is even greater.

“Because the thing which can be known about God is evident in them, because God made it known to them.” (Romans 1:19)

The verse above shows me that I don’t have to worry about proving God’s existence. According to this verse, God makes Himself evident, open, and plain to everyone. He literally placed evidence “in them.” Apparently God placed a knowledge of Himself within all men, inside their minds, in their hearts, in the very core of their being.

The verb is present tense. God did not reveal Himself in the past and then stop. He continues to reveal Himself within us now.

So when you guys try to appease your consciences and justify your sin, you must suppress your knowledge of God. As we can see in the posts here, you grab at straws to patch together a cage around the truth. But God’s truth breaks free, like a tiger ill-suited for captivity.

The King of Heaven does not rely on petty heralds to share who He is. Nor does He post little notes on bulletin boards, hoping we’ll see them. God Himself takes a personal interest in making sure that each one of us has knowledge of Him.

God knows that all people fight against this knowledge. Jesus could say to everyone what He once said to Saul, a zealous Pharisee, “It is hard for you to kick against the pricks” (Acts 9:5). He pricks every heart, letting each person know about Him.

“For His invisible attributes are thoroughly known from the creation of the cosmos, being known by means of the things which have been made, whether His eternal power or divinity . . . .” (Romans 1:20)

The Creator is clearly seen in His creation. What can we see about God? His invisible attributes! The Greek verb kathoratai intensifies the standard Greek word meaning “to see.” So we don’t merely “see” God’s attributes, but we literally see them “down” to the core. We clearly perceive, we abundantly know, we thoroughly recognize God’s invisible attributes.

All what you atheists are saying are just bluffings and extrapolations. Everyone sees God clearly, even if you have never seen a Bible or heard about Him.

God reveals Himself in two ways. One is through the special revelation of the Bible. Through the Bible God spells out the path to salvation. God also communicates through the “general” revelation of creation. While it does not replace the saving truths that mankind must learn in the Bible, creation clearly teaches all men and women that God exists and that certain things are true about Him.

We know these things presently and continually. The moment God created the world (cosmos in Greek), His world began proclaiming things about the Creator, and it has continued ever since.

Psalm 19:1–6 is an important Old Testament parallel. God’s creation, surpassing all limits of language, culture, gender, and age, preaches about God constantly and effectively. The world does not need science to acquire knowledge of the Creator. According to the Bible, people already know the Creator and are desperately seeking any excuse to dispute His existence. As 2 Peter 3:5 says, “They deliberately ignore” the evidence that everyone plainly sees.

Romans 1:20 spells out the attributes that we can see in the world and this are God’s eternal nature and divine power. The Greek word for eternal, is related to the Greek word meaning “always.” God has caused an “always-ness” to be evident in the created order, and people connect this “always-ness” with the idea of a personal God.

His divinity, deity, divine nature is “thei-ot-ēs.” This term summarizes all the attributes that make God who He is. So God’s revelation of Himself is pretty all-encompassing.

“. . . so that they are without excuse.” (Romans 1:20)

These are sobering words. The wonders of God preach His glory to all men. No man or woman can say, “I did not know” or “The revelation was not clear.” This God, who reveals Himself and knows all hearts, concludes of every man, woman, and child, “They are without excuse.”

What can be so plain and evident, when we behold the heavens and contemplate the celestial bodies, as the existence of some supreme, divine intelligence, by which all these things are governed?

“For, although they were knowing God, they did not honour Him as God or give thanks.” (Romans 1:21)

Not only did we know about God at one time, we knew Him in person. We “were knowing God.”

Our resident atheists have no right to accuse God of any wrongdoing. You are all guilty because you have willfully turned away. All your mockeries and ad Hominems are only bravado, hiding what you know in your heart about God. You know that the real debate is not about the lame excuses that you present here but it is about the excuse that you want to continue sin, suppressing the truth by so doing.

God has given us ears to hear, eyes to see, and hearts to understand. He could have left us in the dark because of our wilful effort to cage His truth and because of our impiety and injustice. Yet God wants all to take His free offer of salvation through Jesus Christ.

God graciously transforms lives that were without form and void, lives dark with the disease of sin and dead to God’s ways, sinking under the abysmal waters of His wrath. This powerful God, who once transformed the empty vastness of space with just a word, is so great in His mercy that, in spite of our wilful ignorance, He sees us in our darkness and cries out, “Let the light of the glorious gospel shine in their hearts!” (2 Corinthians 4:6).

bindex:

Where did you get this from? Religion is a very sweet delusion. You did not bother to answer any of the questions raised instead you just decided to resort to ad Hominems

davidylan:

its funny how atheists allegedly do not care about God YET can be counted on to invade a thread about God.

bindex:

You are the greatest hypocrite on Nairaland. Its funny how you you pretend not to care about Allah but you are always on the Islamic thread invading one thread or the other.  I personally do not care about any god because i know non of the gods talked about in the bible or koran exist. I only care about why people believe in such fairy tales with NO evidence what so ever and disparage others for not believing in them.

bindex:

You are the greatest hypocrite on Nairaland. Its funny how you you pretend not to care about Allah but you are always on the Islamic thread invading one thread or the other.  I personally do not care about any god because i know non of the gods talked about in the bible or koran exist. I only care about why people believe in such fairy tales with NO evidence what so ever and disparage others for not believing in them.

OLAADEGBU:

Do you want to know who is deluded?  Read what God has to say about that in 2 Thess. 2:9-12

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

And this states the reason God will permit such strong delusions in this day and age.  If men are determined to go to hell there is nothing else that God can do to rescue them other than to grant them their wishes. Hell is self perpetuating. (Rom.1:21-32).

JJYOU:

i know seun dont charge to come in here but you have to be carefull the way you talk about God. the pharoahs of this world used words like you used there we know the history go ask the egyptians. you want to be like pharoah? be carefull. we are just one breathe away from being dust like mere men. dont talk above yourself.

bindex:


That is because you believed the lies that is written in the bible about the Egyptians and their pharoah. NOTHING like the exodus narrative EVER happend. There is no historical or archelogical evidence for any of the things the bible saya about the exodus. To even show that it is a myth the bible which holds VERY Strongly unto the names of its characters and which puts naming most of It's principal at the core of its narrative refuses to give the name of the Egyptian Pharoah at that time. I am not afriad of your imaginary god and there is nothing he can do to me because he is imaginary and does not exist.

bindex:

And you call this imaginary deity a good god?   He sends delusions for people to believe lies? I rather believe in the "lies" of nature and what i see around than believe in the "truth" of the bible

bindex:

Is it not the same bible that says that God created some people according to his will and does what ever he wants to do with them according to his will?  We have Romans 9 where it says that the same bible God creates some humans to just be examples to be harmed by him when he wants. Your god says in the bible that he is the one that harderns people's hearts and condemns them according to his will so your statement that there is nothing that the bible god can do but to grant sinners their wishes is false since the bible also says that he is the one that is responsible for hardening the hearts of sinner.

davidylan:

these confused atheists just move from thread to thread.

He already has a bias - the bible is a myth.
He makes up his own hypothesis - the bible holds VERY strongly to names of characters and puts naming most as the core of its narrative.
Then he proceeds to use his FALSE hypothesis to SUBSTANTIATE his bias. - the bible didnt name Pharaoh of that time so its a myth.

davidylan:

How wonderful atheistic logic truly is.

However, bindex CANNOT provide us ample evidence that the bible puts naming principal characters as the core of its narrative. Infact the bible puts the MESSAGE OF CHRIST AND THE CROSS as the core of its narrative and mentions it several times!

The bible doesnt mention the name of David's mother, does not tell us anything about the names of the kings of the Jebusites, Canaanites, Assyrians, Moabites, Midianites, Philistines . . . infact we are never told the name of Moses father and YET Bindex makes his above claim? How silly.

OLAADEGBU:

You better believe it, and I truly hope and pray that you have not crossed the line of no return, that is, beyond redemption because this may explain the delusion you are basking in.

You can see evidence of delusion on display right there.  Where in Romans 9 did you see what you are saying, are you sure you are not disillusioned?  If you draw near to God He will draw near to you and if you distance yourself from Him do you think He will become nearer?  Pharaoh hardened his heart against God and of course God permitted his heart to be hardened, it is up to you what kind of heart you want to have.  A heart of clay or of stone that water cannot permeate, if your heart is a heart of clay and water pours on it in the form of rainfall when the sun shines what do you think will happen to the clay?  It will harden up.  Will you now say that it is the fault of the sun? No, it is the state of your heart that will determine what you will get from God.  Check your heart and listen to the word of God below.

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.  -- Proverbs 29:1

@
Horus, Huxley, Tonye, Bindex, Banom,

You guys are doing a great job, thanks

davidylan:

these confused atheists just move from thread to thread.

He already has a bias - the bible is a myth.
He makes up his own hypothesis - the bible holds VERY strongly to names of characters and puts naming most as the core of its narrative.
Then he proceeds to use his FALSE hypothesis to SUBSTANTIATE his bias. - the bible didnt name Pharaoh of that time so its a myth.

More than a century of archaeological research has discovered nothing which could support the narrative elements of the book of Exodus - the four centuries sojourn in Egypt, the escape of well over a million Israelites from the Delta, or the three months journey through the wilderness to Sinai.The Egyptian records themselves have no mention of anything recorded in Exodus, the wilderness of the southern Sinai peninsula shows no traces of a mass-migration such as Exodus describes, and virtually all the place-names mentioned, including Goshen (the area within Egypt where the Israelites supposedly lived), the store-cities of Pithom and Rameses, the site of the crossing of the Red Sea, and even Mt Sinai itself, have resisted identification. The archaeology of Palestine has equally failed to substantiate the bible's account of the invasion of Canaan by the Israelites arriving from Egypt some forty years later - of the 31 cities supposedly conquered by Joshua, only one (Bethel) shows a destruction level that equates to the Biblical narrative, and there is general agreement that the origins of Israel lie within Canaan itself. Even those scholars who hold the Exodus to represent historical truth concede that the most the evidence can suggest is plausibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus

amnestylaw:

Iwant to disagree with those who say that being an atheist means being religious because atheism to them is a religion. They went further to say atheists do not beleive in god. That is the fallacy of the argument--- atheists do not disbelieve god because they cannot disbelieve a god that does not exist. You disbeleive something that exists. For example, i can stop beleiving in the 7-point Agenda or my parents. I cannot beleive somebody or something i don't have knowledge about. Atheists lack beleif in god because, when people say god exists, whether the christian god, islam's or other gods, the atheist will say, since i can't see your god or because you cannot prove that your god exists, then i lack a beleif in s/he.

OLAADEGBU:

Check your heart and listen to the word of God below.

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy. -- Proverbs 29:1

OLAADEGBU:

You better believe it, and I truly hope and pray that you have not crossed the line of no return, that is, beyond redemption because this may explain the delusion you are basking in.

You can see evidence of delusion on display right there.  Where in Romans 9 did you see what you are saying, are you sure you are not disillusioned?  If you draw near to God He will draw near to you and if you distance yourself from Him do you think He will become nearer? [size=16pt] Pharaoh hardened his heart against God and of course God permitted his heart to be hardened,[/size] it is up to you what kind of heart you want to have.  A heart of clay or of stone that water cannot permeate, if your heart is a heart of clay and water pours on it in the form of rainfall when the sun shines what do you think will happen to the clay?  It will harden up.  Will you now say that it is the fault of the sun? No, it is the state of your heart that will determine what you will get from God.  Check your heart and listen to the word of God below.

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.  -- Proverbs 29:1

banom:

For all i care, God can deny both the Bible and Qu'ran without been guilty, for instance, when a christian and an islam dies, they go to God and ask him for a reward, God will tell them, I DONT KNOW YOU GUYS They will tell God ,we are christian and islam we lived our lives according to your words in the Bible and Qu'ran, God will say, I dont know any Bible and Qu'ran, they will tell God,but the bible and Qu'ran claimed you inspired them, and God will ask them, did i give you any Bible or Qu'ran ?, Did you see my signature on the Bible or Qu'ran ?, If i had wanted you to have Bible or Qu'ran i would have giving them to you just like the way i wanted you to have eyes, ears, legs,head,brain and i gave them to you, Sorry i dont know you, go back to who ever that gave you the Bible and Qu'ran.

mazaje:

are these also the lalala tales of your god?. . . . . .

The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth. Proverbs 10:30 (how true is this make believe feel good drivel?)

The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.Proverbs 18:10 (again how true is this make believe drivel?)

Proverbs 28:25
He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat(what is this make belieeve wishful and feel good lalala tales)?

mazaje:

you refused to answer toneyb's simple questions. . . . . .