FSMs:
God Did not Accept human Sacrifice rather Yahweh did...

menxer:


What's t difference between God and Yahweh?

MrPresident1:
Olodo thread.

Next!

FSMs:

Yahew is a Jewish God... Where God is a general name of deity so when you say You have to be specific Zeus is also God to i don't think he accepted human sacrifice...

menxer:


Was the OP talking in general terms?
Was the OP not specific in referencing the bible?
Do you find Zeus worshiped in the bible?

Guy man, God is a title and the bearer of the title has a name.

The question you should ask, is which God did Jephthah vowed to? But since he is an Israelite it's obvious who he vowed to.

hopefulLandlord:
Yes he did!

randomperson:
Most of us are familiar with the story of Isaac and how he was almost used as sacrifice by his father, Abraham. But there is a story in the bible where God actually accepted a girl as burnt offering... I mean she was killed and burnt- with fire as an offering to god. This is the bible reference:
30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.
Then verse 39 shows the fulfillment of the vow.
39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man.

The whole story can be found in Judges 11: 30- 40.
So how do we explain this act of God. Which kind of God accepts a human being as burnt offering. How is that different from the God of Ogun

KingEbukasBlog:



How many times will this be discussed .Guy stop rehashing old arguments - its now boring .Its against the rules to open threads which have similar topics with others . The mods close them .

Yahweh does not get propitiated with the immolation of humans - this is what made Israel perculiar during the ancient times . And here Yahweh makes it clear that anyone that does that would be punished and he does not accept human sacrifices .


Leviticus 20:1-5
Punishment for Child Sacrifice
1 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
2 “Say to the people of Israel, Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones.
3 I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name.
4 And if the people of the land do at all close their eyes to that man when he gives one of his children to Molech, and do not put him to death,
5 then I will set my face against that man and against his clan and will cut them off from among their people, him and all who follow him in whoring after Molech.

Jeremiah 7:31
31 And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind.

Jeremiah 32:35
35 They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin

According to my research , Christian scholars say that the fate of Jephthah's daughter was perpetual virginity or solitary confinement . The scholars proved this with the fact that "and" & "or" have been interchanged several times in translation that means Jephthah gave two options

That whatever that comes out of the house would be

1. Of the Lord's (if it is a human being) [dedicated to God]

OR

2. used as a burnt sacrifice ( if it is an animal )

That explains why the end of the verse said that "she knew no man" that means he chose option 1 since it was a human being - his daughter- knowing fully well that Yahweh abominates human sacrifices .

End of story .

KingEbukasBlog:



How many times will this be discussed .Guy stop rehashing old arguments - its now boring .Its against the rules to open threads which have similar topics with others . The mods close them .

Yahweh does not get propitiated with the immolation of humans - this is what made Israel perculiar during the ancient times . And here Yahweh makes it clear that anyone that does that would be punished and he does not accept human sacrifices .


Leviticus 20:1-5
Punishment for Child Sacrifice
1 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
2 “Say to the people of Israel, Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones.
3 I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name.
4 And if the people of the land do at all close their eyes to that man when he gives one of his children to Molech, and do not put him to death,
5 then I will set my face against that man and against his clan and will cut them off from among their people, him and all who follow him in whoring after Molech.

Jeremiah 7:31
31 And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind.

Jeremiah 32:35
35 They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin

According to my research , Christian scholars say that the fate of Jephthah's daughter was perpetual virginity or solitary confinement . The scholars proved this with the fact that "and" & "or" have been interchanged several times in translation that means Jephthah gave two options

That whatever that comes out of the house would be

1. Of the Lord's (if it is a human being) [dedicated to God]

OR

2. used as a burnt sacrifice ( if it is an animal )

That explains why the end of the verse said that "she knew no man" that means he chose option 1 since it was a human being - his daughter- knowing fully well that Yahweh abominates human sacrifices .

End of story .

4everGod:


succinct! optime dixit (Perfectly said). Of course the Atheist mind would still argue and twist the scripture to say that was not what God meant.

THREAD CLOSED! NEXT!

randomperson:

Its the atheist that are using the actual words of the bible that are twisting?? Lols, I know u want the thread closed because you are scared. Well, look at my reply to Ebuka and try to counter it... If u can't, don't bother replying

4everGod:


Rehashed questions! Indoctrinated Atheists! Some of us have better things to do with our intelligence.

Enjoy!

4everGod:


succinct! optime dixit (Perfectly said). Of course the Atheist mind would still argue and twist the scripture to say that was not what God meant.

THREAD CLOSED! NEXT!

Scholar8200:
In addition to what was said by Kingebuka and 4everGod, there is NO passage in the WHOLE Bible where God commanded what Jephthah pledged hence, if you claim God 'accepted it', prove to us that He did.

4everGod:


Rehashed questions! Indoctrinated Atheists! Some of us have better things to do with our intelligence.

Enjoy!

randomperson:

No... Apparently u don't. U are on another thread right now trying to justify slavery. There's no need for deceit and hypocrisy, it's an online forum. No one will hold u if I don't have an explanation

randomperson:

Lolz... This will be easy... I just need to quote the bible for you. Unless you don't believe the bible sha.
Good News Translation:
31 I will burn as an offering the first person that comes out of my house to meet me, when I come back from the victory. I will offer that person to you as a sacrifice.”

Amplified
31Then whatever or whoever comes forth from the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Ammonites, it shall be the Lord's, and I will offer it or him up as a burnt offering.

Revised Standard Version
31 then whoever comes forth from the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the LORD's, and I will offer him up for a burnt offering."

NIV
31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

All the versions say AND. But because u don't want to admit that God accepted a human as burnt offering u are trying to rewrite the scriptures. If it had said "AND ONE THOUSAND COWS", u would have agreed that it is and. When John 14:6 says " I am the way, the truth AND the life. " u don't argue that it means OR.
Assuming without conceding that's it's OR... that means human sacrifice was an option and God didn't say, " No, I don't want human burnt offering " so God acquiesced to the option of human sacrifice.
Your hypocrisy is making me feel ashamed on your behalf

Scholar8200:
In addition to what was said by Kingebuka and 4everGod, there is NO passage in the WHOLE Bible where God commanded what Jephthah pledged hence, if you claim God 'accepted it'(for what you think it is), prove to us that He did.

Scholar8200:
In addition to what was said by Kingebuka and 4everGod, there is NO passage in the WHOLE Bible where God commanded what Jephthah pledged hence, if you claim God 'accepted it'(for what you think it is), prove to us that He did.

hopefulLandlord:


1 he made a vow

2 he was sad when his daughter came out to greet him

3 daughter says he should do to her as he had vowed

4 and he did to her as he vowed

Question: what was the vow?

that grammar is as clear as day

randomperson:

This is a foolish submission. Did God command every other sacrifice in the bible?? He didn't command it but he didn't reject it either... He should have said no, I don't want a young girl as sacrifice, if only to save the girls life.

4everGod:


Keep looking for one which would support your mischevious erroneous mind. The truth is before you. Research would show you why she was not sacrified. But of course the ATHEIST view must be the right one when it comes to God.

Again, Enjoy!

Scholar8200:
I know!But in the light of the topic of the thread, did God command the vow that He made? And was it accepted?

hopefulLandlord:


I'll try my best to be as reasonable and understanding as possible

there was no where god commanded the girl to be sacrificed as burnt offering but Jephthah made the vow and carried it out

Yahweh had NOTHING to do with this, its all on Jephthah, Yahweh didn't force Jephthah to make the vow unlike the case of Abraham/Ibrahim which Yahweh himself "commanded"

one extra biblical addition I like to make is that perhaps Jephthah expected a "servant" or "slave" of his to come out and meet him, he must've fought a lot of wars and his daughter hadn't come out to meet him, this made the vow "easy" for Jephthah to make which eventually backfired

about "acceptance", its not stated but we have to realise that while the acceptance/rejection of many sacrifices are stated, not every sacrifice made in the bible was stated to have been accepted or not; there are instances where the sacrifice is just stated to have been carried out only so its safe to assume it was accepted

hopefulLandlord:


I'll try my best to be as reasonable and understanding as possible

there was no where god commanded the girl to be sacrificed as burnt offering but Jephthah made the vow and carried it out

Yahweh had NOTHING to do with this, its all on Jephthah, Yahweh didn't force Jephthah to make the vow unlike the case of Abraham/Ibrahim which Yahweh himself "commanded"

one extra biblical addition I like to make is that perhaps Jephthah expected a "servant" or "slave" of his to come out and meet him, he must've fought a lot of wars and his daughter hadn't come out to meet him, this made the vow "easy" for Jephthah to make which eventually backfired

about "acceptance", its not stated but we have to realise that while the acceptance/rejection of many sacrifices are stated, not every sacrifice made in the bible was stated to have been accepted or not; there are instances where the sacrifice is just stated to have been carried out only so its safe to assume it was accepted