Scholar8200:
I know!But in the light of the topic of the thread, did God command the vow that He made? And was it accepted?

Scholar8200:
alright

hopefulLandlord:


let's also examine the "acceptance/rejection" of sacrifices further

wherever god rejected a sacrifice or isn't pleased with it, its usually written clearly that he rejected it/ wasn't pleased with it in the bible

if that is anything to go by, then god must've accepted the sacrifice because rejection wasn't stated

KingEbukasBlog:



How many times will this be discussed .Guy stop rehashing old arguments - its now boring .Its against the rules to open threads which have similar topics with others . The mods close them .

Yahweh does not get propitiated with the immolation of humans - this is what made Israel perculiar during the ancient times . And here Yahweh makes it clear that anyone that does that would be punished and he does not accept human sacrifices .


Leviticus 20:1-5
Punishment for Child Sacrifice
1 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
2 “Say to the people of Israel, Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones.
3 I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name.
4 And if the people of the land do at all close their eyes to that man when he gives one of his children to Molech, and do not put him to death,
5 then I will set my face against that man and against his clan and will cut them off from among their people, him and all who follow him in whoring after Molech.

Jeremiah 7:31
31 And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind.

Jeremiah 32:35
35 They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin

According to my research , Christian scholars say that the fate of Jephthah's daughter was perpetual virginity or solitary confinement . The scholars proved this with the fact that "and" & "or" have been interchanged several times in translation that means Jephthah gave two options

That whatever that comes out of the house would be

1. Of the Lord's (if it is a human being) [dedicated to God]

OR

2. used as a burnt sacrifice ( if it is an animal )

That explains why the end of the verse said that "she knew no man" that means he chose option 1 since it was a human being - his daughter- knowing fully well that Yahweh abominates human sacrifices .

End of story .

Scholar8200:
The law prescribed what sacrifices God expected of them. At that time, the people did that which they liked (Judges 17:6), not what was commanded.Would God honour that which is extra-scriptural especially when the offeror knows better?NO
Did God grant him victory because of that vow? NO! Gideon, Barak etc also got victory sans vows.

MrPresident1:


THUNDER!!!!

Let us close this thread and go home

Ebuka, I no say one day you go make me proud

MrPresident1:


THUNDER!!!!

Let us close this thread and go home

Ebuka, I no say one day you go make me proud

Scholar8200:
The law prescribed what sacrifices God expected of them. At that time, the people did that which they liked (Judges 17:6), not what was commanded.Would God honour that which is extra-scriptural especially when the offeror knows better?NO
Did God grant him victory because of that vow? NO! Gideon, Barak etc also got victory sans vows.

Scholar8200:
The highlighted is wrong. Once it is contrary to His Word, it is rejected ab initio; stated expressedly or not.

ifenes:
Human sacrifice is a shameful thing. Please remind me, which of the many gods accepted it?

felixomor:
There is somebody on this thread obviously controlling 5 monikers inside this thread alone.

Hmmmm, the atheism hustle is real.

TheNazarene:


God never approved of a human sacrifice from the Book of Genesis to the Book of Revelation, He never accepted any.

TheNazarene:
To me ooo

I believe the sacrificing of his daughter was the price Jephtah paid dearly for his unbelief. He was well versed in the history of Israel, and I haven't seen where God asked for an offering from Israel to grant them victory over their enemies.

God never approved of a human sacrifice from the Book of Genesis to the Book of Revelation, He never accepted any.

Abraham's case was just so He could test his faith and it was God that specifically requested for it to know whom Abraham loves the most: God or Isaac.

And because God asked for a sacrifice, He made provision for a substitute. If it was God that inspired Jephtah's vow there would have been a substitute.

Normally, after a victory the Israelites sacrifice animals to God but out of a fear instilled 'shallow thinking' and fear of the army of the ammonites made Jephtah make a very very delicate and unspecified vow, lets look at the verse again:

Judges 11
30 And Jephtah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

if you look at verse 30, you would see fear and unbelief in Jephtah's words.

Also in verse 31, he said

Then it shall be, that whatsoever...

that phrase signifies that, blindly, he most likely anticipated that at all at all it will be an animal that would greet him first. He did not put into consideration that a human might also be the first to greet him (maybe the chances were very low, I don't know)

Fear also made him not to stop at

shall surely be the Lord's,

he went further to say

and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

inclining more to the his perspective of an animal greeting him.

But, the fact remains that a vow is a vow. Ecclesiastes 5:4-6

Jephtah made the sacrifice;

Judges 11:39 = And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

But it wasn't recorded anywhere that God did anything or affiliated with the sacrifice which shows that He did not approve of it at all.

Jephtah's daughter's death was Jephtah's loss as a result of fear and lack of communication with God. Come to think of it, Jephtah did not enquire of the Lord.

God did not grant Israel victory because of the vow. He called forth Israel and it is His duty to protect them.
Hopefullandlord, randomperson

randomperson:

Okay... I hear u... But couldn't God have simply told him, "no, I don't want a human as sacrifice." If just to save the life of the poor girl

EyeHateGod:

Jdg 11:32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; aJdg 11:33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, [even] twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel. and the LORD delivered them into his hands.
Jdg 11:33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, [even] twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.

After making the Vow the lord accepted @underlined abi na only me day see this??

randomperson:

Wow.. Good job. Didn't even notice that

EyeHateGod:

I thought Jesus death was the greatest sacrifice

randomperson:

Okay... I hear u... But couldn't God have simply told him, "no, I don't want a human as sacrifice." If just to save the life of the poor girl

TheNazarene:


It is written that God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth!

Not in fear and doubts.

And no true son of God fears anything other than God their Father.

So in this light, for Jephtah to be so afraid to make that unnecessary vow, he automatically qualifies a sinner by that attribute.

And it is written that the prayer of a sinner is an abomination unto God.

Now, if God cannot answer your prayer, shey E go give audience to the so called agreement/pact/oath/vow you want to make with Him?

No, infact do whatever He won't regard you.

TheNazarene:
Eyehategod and randomperson, did you guys read the closing notes on my lengthy post?

It is written that God called forth Israel out of Egypt. Israel is His nation, He is their protection. It is God's duty to protect them.

How many vows did David make for God to give him victories?
How many vows did Solomon make for God to grant him peace on all sides?
How many vows did Gideon make for the defeat of the midianites?
How many vows did Samson make to overpower the Philistines?
How many vows did Deborah make?

Please if you guys can show us Bible passages that God asked the Israelites to make a vow before He grants them victory over their enemies, I will be glad.

TheNazarene:


Jesus death is the greatest sacrifice that is why Jephtah's wrong!
Can you show me the Bible passage that says God sacrificied Jesus for our sins?

Jesus died and resurrected.

He wasn't sacrificed.

And by the way Revelation 5:1-14 shows that Jesus willingly sacrificed Himself, God did not force Him.

randomperson:

Making a vow is acceptable to God, especially in return for a favor from God... Hannah made a vow to get Samuel.... Making vows is definitely not wrong. Jephthah was not even a sinner. God appointed him to save the children of Israel and god won the battle for him... God was definitely an important part of the whole story, he was not passive..
Jephthah decided to use his only daughter as burnt offering and God did not object... God shouldn't have won the battle for him if making vows was wrong. But God won the battle for him knowing that the daughter will be the one that will come out to meet her father... That is not good, that's wicked

TheNazarene:

Eyehategod and randomperson, did you guys read the closing notes on my lengthy post?

It is written that God called forth Israel out of Egypt. Israel is His nation, He is their protection. It is God's duty to protect them.

How many vows did David make for God to give him victories?
How many vows did Solomon make for God to grant him peace on all sides?
How many vows did Gideon make for the defeat of the midianites?
How many vows did Samson make to overpower the Philistines?
How many vows did Deborah make?

Please if you guys can show us Bible passages that God asked the Israelites to make a vow before He grants them victory over their enemies, I will be glad.

TheNazarene:



Who said making a vow is not acceptable to God?

I am saying concerning the protection of the children of Israel, a vow isn't needed because it is God's primary duty.

How hard is it to comprehend?

randomperson:

God answered the prayer of Hagar, he spoke to abimelech... This is not even for the sake of Jephthah, the guilty party but the sake of the daughter... Should a good God allow an innocent girl to get burnt because of the failings of her father??