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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 3:13pm On Sep 07, 2018 |
OneJ: Well it's "if" I don't think blood transfusion is jellyfish and jollof rice. You will use unreal situations to justify your non biblical doctrines. ( to Justify why your leaders punish people for doing a real life medical procedure) You guys don't use your brain to think. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Emusan(m): 5:09pm On Sep 07, 2018 |
eyinjuege: I can deduce that you don't understand what this thread is all about or the reason why main stream Christians are not in support of JW. What we're basically saying is this, if JW refuse blood transfusion based on their own Knowledge with a clause that will be fine but going about deceiving people including their own member that BIBLE AGAINST SUCH ACT is what we're saying here. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Barristter07: 6:44pm On Sep 07, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Since you can't refute that , you went back to your traditional error. Leviticus 17:11 blood of ANY creature . your thoughts are not according to the scripture . Even David won't agree with you
You admit this " David likened the water to the blood of the men that risked their lives to fetch it for him" - AlBHAGDADI He treated the water as he would treat Blood. Poured it out!!!
Your reasoning is weak. Which blood is exchanged during Sex ? Just admit your defence is weak.. You are going against the bible by intravenously receiving blood Just like a gullible person who thinks he abstain from fornication because he does it through Anal. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 6:53pm On Sep 07, 2018 |
Barristter07: When did the bible say we are going against it if we give blood intravenously? Abi it's in watchtower magazine? Or are you just assuming it? Jesus that gave his followers his blood to drink (wine) did it figuratively While David that poured the blood of his men (water) on the floor did it literally Jw even believe David more than they believe Jesus sef. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 6:55pm On Sep 07, 2018 |
Barristter07: But you refused to admit that Jesus likened his blood to wine and told his followers to always drink it. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 6:59pm On Sep 07, 2018 |
Barristter07: Why do you guys only quote only that phrase in that whole verse? You guys never quote the full verse and it's quite disturbing. What are you people always hiding from people by quoting just a phrase? Abi you guys don't want people to know that it was animals to be used as sacrifice and food the verse and chapter was talking of? Do you know you have never in your life even on this thread quoted the whole verse? It's like they have washed the remaining part of the verse from your brain. It's quite unfortunate |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Emusan(m): 7:23pm On Sep 07, 2018 |
Barristter07: So funny of you guys. You agreed that David linked the water to his men blood proof a point but Jesus linked His own blood to wine isn't real. Between if I disvirgin my wife did I abstain from blood? Maybe you use another thing to disvirgin your wife or she's not a virgin... |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by alBHAGDADI: 9:05pm On Sep 07, 2018 |
Barristter07:I can see that hairyrapunzel has replied you on the first part of your post. As for blood exchanged during sex, except you are a virgin, then you can claim novice to such. When you deflower a girl, don't you know that part of that blood goes inside of you? What about sex with a girl on her period? What about when your permission bruises the vagina into bleeding? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by OneJ: 5:01pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
Seun: Seun: Seun:[quote author=Seun post=70948776]Question for Jehovah's Witnesses: The flawed conjecture of a biased & prejudiced mind has no concrete base on reality. Just negodu, how U have revealed the real thoughts in your heart. "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks". Seun, for your mind, JWs no fit dey survive because them no transfuse blood. Kai !!!! Una dey see wetin a rational man dey think for him fellow man? A medical journal, "The Archives of Internal Medicine" published a study in 2012 : "Jehovah's Witnesses who underwent bloodless surgeries spent less time in the Intensive Care Unit& less time in the hospital compared to other patients who had blood transfusions. They also had a higher survival rate at 95% compared to the other group (those who had blood transfusions)at 89%" Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doctors-explore-potential-benefits-of-bloodless-surgery/. Let me cure your ignorance . JWs are very well informed about the best practices in bloodless surgery & up to date trends in effective blood management. We are in constant touch with the medical community & health professionals, we interact with them & make sure they know how to care for us. In the process , they have gained vital info which increases their professional expertise. This benefits not only JWs but others too. These days well informed non jws even demand non blood surgery & treatment. Besides, JWs are well organized & every JW knows what to do in an emergency. Shalom. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 6:06pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
[quote author=OneJ post=71021050][/quote] The journal what age, sex, race, medical condition, location did this bloodless medicine work for? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 6:17pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
[quote author=OneJ post=71021050][/quote] Was it during emergency or planned surgery? What was the pcv level, what was the hemoglobin concentration? Was there cardiovascular compromise? Check and tell me what the bloodless surgery/medicine programme did |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by alBHAGDADI: 6:50pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
OneJ: Seun asked a simple question, yet you chose to reply with an answer that has nothing to do with the question. I'll concluded that you are too scared to attempt his questions which will expose your organization. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by OneJ: 10:08pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
Emusan: Leviticus 17:14 " You must not eat the blood of any creature". Emusan, are U a creature? Is man a creature? Yes or no. When some one sick is unable to feed, through the mouth, how are they fed ? They are given intravenous fluid ( also called a drip). (Source: wikipedia) The drip is given with a "needle insertion directly into the vein and the substance is directly delivered into the blood stream" (https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/blood-transfusions/about/pac-20385168) What is blood transfusion? When "an intravenous ( IV) line with a needle is inserted into one of your blood vessels (your vein). The donated blood that's been stored in a bag enters your blood stream through the IV line". "intravenous therapy maybe used for fluid replacement (such as correcting dehydration), ....and for blood transfusions" (Source: wikipedia). Intravenous fluid intake pass from the needle through the vein and into the blood stream in the same manner that blood transfusions moves from the needle into the vein and direct to the blood stream. Is intravenous fluid intake feeding? Yes. Is blood transfusions feeding ? Yes. "Abstain from blood" is in other words, do not take the blood (or eat the blood ) of any creature ( into your body). See as all of una dey lie, lie & deceive yourselves. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by OneJ: 10:26pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Mumu post. alBHAGDADI , wetin be conjecture for your language? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by OneJ: 10:31pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: LIAR. Acts 15:20,29. Abstain from blood. Lev 17:14, alBHAGDADI "do not eat the blood of any creature" alBHAGDADI are you a creature? Is man a creature? No dull your brain. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:49pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
OneJ:At least it did not say abstain from blow transfusion. Last last your illiterate leader assumed it included blood transfusion so he made it a law for his followers. Your jehovah prefers human blood to human life Your leaders said your jehovah prefers you die rather than receive blood transfusion Your jehovah loves human sacrifice. Your cult says you should accept cow blood but bans you from taking human blood. Lol |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:50pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
OneJ: Always cursing when he sees he doesn't have any answer. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 10:54pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
OneJ: Lol. Intravenous fluid has become intake feeding all of a sudden Even blood transfusion has become feeding. Lol. When you decide to allow illiterates do your thinking you then start reasoning like the illiterate. You want to force your non biblical doctrine to enter the bible. Lol Assumption galore. Lol |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 11:03pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
OneJ: Shame no even let you quote the whole verse. OK let's see what you are hiding 13 “‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth, 14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, “You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.” SO IT'S EVEN ANIMALS OR BIRDS TO BE EATEN AS FOOD MOSES WAS TALKING ABOUT. THANK GOD WE CAN THINK AND ARE ALLOWED TO THINK FOR OURSELVES O. WE CAN ALWAYS READ THE BIBLE IN FULL ( THE COMPLETE VERSE AND COMPLETE CHAPTER). WE DON'T JUST PULL OUT A PHRASE AND USE IT TO MAKE OUR DOCTRINES. I CAN'T IMAGINE MYSELF GIVING MY BRAIN TO SOME ILLITERATES IN NEW YORK TO THINK FOR ME. Meanwhile mayoclinic did not say blood transfusion and intravenous fluid means intake feeding it's onej that assumed that. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 11:08pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
OneJ:Is man the creature Leviticus 17 was talking about? Did the Israelites hunt man for food? Did the Israelites kill man and sacrifice him? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Emusan(m): 11:31pm On Sep 08, 2018 |
OneJ: Just as @Hairyrapunzel has rightly said, you didn't quote the verse from previous verses which is a normal way of JWs including their GB. Are you an animal? Because everyone can see that the verse is talking about eating of ANIMALS with cold blood. It's so funny seeing you said blood transfusion is also feeding of blood...when will you be cured of this self delusions? Now you can only limit ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD just to don't take the blood of ANY creature into your body when the Bible actually specified the CREATURES. God will forgive you for the way you do twist the scripture. Isn't abstain from blood also mean don't TOUCH or GET in contact which ANY Blood? Besides, are you not drinking the blood of Jesus through communion? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by alBHAGDADI: 5:04am On Sep 09, 2018 |
OneJ:Must you throw insults? I think that shows you have nothing else to say. Now, Leviticus says we should not EAT the blood of any creature. It doesn't say we should abstain from blood transfusion. And I thought I showed you that blood transfusion is different from eating blood. When you eat blood, it digests and becomes nutrients which are used up and passed out as faeces. But when you take in blood through transfusion, it stays the same way in your body and does the work your own blood does. Can you now see the difference? That's why Jesus said whatever man eats is passed out. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by alBHAGDADI: 5:10am On Sep 09, 2018 |
OneJ:Stop insulting. The verse says we shouldn't eat the blood of any creature. I showed you earlier that blood transfusion is different from eating blood. When you EAT blood, it digests into nutrients which are used up and then passed out through faeces. But when you take blood through transfusion, the blood remains the same way in your blood and continues carrying out the function of blood without being used up or passed out. Can you now see the difference between eating and transfusion? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by alBHAGDADI: 5:20am On Sep 09, 2018 |
OneJ: That link doesn't say blood transfusion is feeding. Stop lying. Feeding is making use of anything that will later be passed out through faeces. Blood is not digested or passed out through feeding when taken in through transfusion. It remains blood for as long as the person is alive. Intravenous feeding involves taking in nutrients through fluids when a person is sick and can't eat. What happens to the nutrients? They get used up and passed out through faeces |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Barristter07: 6:37pm On Sep 09, 2018 |
Emusan: That of David is a principle, Jesus was establishing a Covenant .
Someone already explains that abstain has nothing to do with touch , the Early Christians recognize that the priest at the temple comes in contact with blood in the discharge of their duty. Humans bleed when injured and preserving the wound's would require contact with blood ( See the story of the Good Samaritan Luke 10:34) Your reasoning is flawed , it deals with consumption . and earlier it has been established that this includes both man and animals blood . |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Barristter07: 6:44pm On Sep 09, 2018 |
alBHAGDADI: Anal sex and Vagina sex , which is not fornication ? Going by your flawed logic, a person has obeyed the instruction to abstain fornication as long as vagina is untouched, IF DONE THROUGH ANOTHER ROUTE Either Man or Animal blood, do not consume " ANY BLOOD " at all - Lev 3:17 That prohibition came before the Law, confirmed by the Law and continue to exist after the Law |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by alBHAGDADI: 6:59pm On Sep 09, 2018 |
Barristter07:Stop usingbflawed analogy. Blood transfusion is not consumption. Scroll up to see where I explained it to your fellow JW OneJ |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: Why Are Blood Transfusions So Bad? by Hairyrapunzel: 7:00pm On Sep 09, 2018 |
Barristter07: Eya we can see how frustrated you are Leveticus 3:1-17 3 “‘If your offering is a fellowship offering, and you offer an animal [/b]from the herd, whether male or female, you are to present before [b]the Lord an animal without defect. 2 You are to lay your hand on the head of your offering and slaughter it at the entrance to the tent of meeting. Then Aaron’s sons the priests shall splash the blood against the sides of the altar. [/b]3 From the fellowship offering you are to bring a food offering to the Lord: [b]the internal organs and all the fat that is connected to them, 4 both kidneys with the fat on them near the loins, and the long lobe of the liver, which you will remove with the kidneys. [/b]5 Then Aaron’s sons are to burn it on the altar on top of the burnt offering that is lying on the burning wood; it is a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the Lord. [b] 6 “‘If you offer an animal from the flock as a fellowship offering to the Lord, you are to offer a male or female without defect. 7 If you offer a lamb, you are to present it before the Lord, 8 lay your hand on its head and slaughter it in front of the tent of meeting. Then Aaron’s sons shall splash its blood against the sides of the altar. 9 From the fellowship offering you are to bring a food offering to the Lord: its fat, the entire fat tail cut off close to the backbone, the internal organs and all the fat that is connected to them, 10 both kidneys with the fat on them near the loins, and the long lobe of the liver, which you will remove with the kidneys. 11 The priest shall burn them on the altar as a food offering presented to the Lord. 12 “‘If your offering is a goat, you are to present it before the Lord, 13 lay your hand on its head and slaughter it in front of the tent of meeting. Then Aaron’s sons shall splash its blood against the sides of the altar. [/b]14 From what you offer you are to present this food offering to the Lord: the internal organs and all the fat that is connected to them, 15 both kidneys with the fat on them near the loins, and the long lobe of the liver, which you will remove with the kidneys. 16 The priest shall burn them on the altar as a food offering, a pleasing aroma. All the fat is the Lord’s. [b] 17 “‘This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.’” YOU EVEN HAVE TO LIE TO PUT SOMETHING NEVER MENTIONED IN THE WHOLE CHAPTER. WOW NOW FRUSTRATION HAS SET IN YOUR BEHAVIOUR IS NOT SURPRISING. WHEN YOU SEE THAT ALL YOU BELIEVE IS ALL A LIE PROPAGATED BY A PSYCHOTIC HUMAN BEING WHO WAS AN ILLITERATE |
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