I was referring to the dude that said JESUS wasn't crucified. YES! JESUS died and rose again to life on the third day.

shadeyinka:

According to who?

Every sane person know that Jesus Died on the Cross by crucifixion.

cotmag:
I was referring to the dude that said JESUS wasn't crucified. YES! JESUS died and rose again to life on the third day.

Maranatha!

Niyi53:

you asking me this ?
when the Holy Quran is also saying that they follow conjectures on this issues!

Know for certain that even the other translations presented have no evidence from the Quranic text that shows that a theirs person was involved. The Holy Quran never makes any form of inference to that.

Of course, the Qur'an didn't directly infer or insinuate that someone was made to replace Jesus. The emphatic claim of the Qur'an was two folds
1. Jesus wasn't killed
2. Jesus wasn't Crucified
BUT
3. Somehow, the Jews, the Romans and the Christians believed that Jesus was both killed and Crucified.

Now, that's where the problem of Muslims comes in for they do not have a better alternate explanation to what really happened.

Niyi53:


Yes I agree that there is difference between death and something that causes death and this.what I am also trying to draw your attention to.

and my argument is that for one to be described as being crucified, the process must have been completed and result gotten. otherwise, if it falls short of that, the person cannot be described so.
I hope you are a Muslim and believe in the Holy Quran.... If yes, read Quran Ch 5 Vs 4 where Allah speaks of the types of animals forbidden to us... He has used the words Munkhaniqatu, mauquuzatu, mutaraddiyatu and natiihatu.
if the preliminary acts of these four categories are done but the animal still survives, would they still be considered to be forbidden? No.

by using the word salaba, our attention is drawn towards the aim of the Jews. the Jews were not only aiming at hanging Jesus alone for that doesn't prove anything. Rather they want to see him die there because their law is that one who dies on the cross is an accursed of God.

Of course, there is a difference between what causes death and death itself. That is why you cannot redefine crucifixion as death but a means to cause death.

I gave the the example of Josephus: you haven't said a word about it. Josephus friends that were brought down from the cross, were they Crucified?

Crucifixion is the act of hanging a person on a tree/stake with the intention of slowly and painfully killing him.
Crucifixion is not Execution: it is a means of execution

Just like facing the firing squared isn't execution but a means of execution.

Look at the use of this sentence and judge:
"I was made to face the firing squad on 5th January, but thank God I survived the bullet wounds... A bullet narrowly missed my heart by 1 cm!"

According to you, the man in question never faced the firing squad because he didn't die! Does this make sense?

People have been known to survive hanging. That is why the judges will pronounce judgement like:

You shall be hanged by your neck UNTIL you give up the ghost...may God have mercy on your soul.


The Qur'an was emphatic:
Jesus did NOT die! (The end result of Crucifixion)
Jesus was not Crucified! (Not hung on the tree with the intention to kill him)

If it was made to appear to people as such can only mean that the Romans and the Jews mistook someone else as Jesus. This is reinforced with the fact that Jesus was taken bodily away by Allah. Even though, this first statement creates other problems, that is the position of the Qur'an.

This second statement is a clog in the wheel of the thinking of the Ahmadias. Because if the all-knowing Allah had made up His mind to take up Jesus, why wait until He had been scourge with the Scorpion whip over the night, beaten and Crucified naked on the cross for up to six hours. It doesn't make sense.

shadeyinka:


I gave the the example of Josephus: you haven't said a word about it. Josephus friends that were brought down from the cross, were they Crucified?


Look at the use of this sentence and judge:
"I was made to face the firing squad on 5th January, but thank God I survived the bullet wounds... A bullet narrowly missed my heart by 1 cm!"

[i]According to you, the man in question never faced the firing squad because he didn't die! Does this make sense?

.......
The Qur'an was emphatic:
Jesus did NOT die! (The end result of Crucifixion)
Jesus was not Crucified! (Not hung on the tree with the intention to kill him)

those of his friends that died were crucified cos they died as a result of it.
the one who did not died wasn't crucified.!

the example of the firing squad you presented is actually in my favour and does not support your point. Because the person faced the firing squad but that never resulted in his death.
Likewise, Jesus Christ experienced the pains of being hanged/nailed on the cross but that never in any way resulted to his death!!!

You saying that the Holy Quran is emphatic on
1.
Jesus did NOT die! (The end result of Crucifixion)

this is wrong because the Arabic word used "maa Qataluuhu" does not in anyway refer to the end result of crucifixion!!!

while the second that you mentioned:
Jesus was not Crucified! "(Not hung on the tree with the intention to kill him)"


.... is also not correct
for the word "maa Solabuuhu" does not negate him being hanged on the cross!

The Jews were divided into two groups with regards to the crucifixion.
One is of the view that Jesus was first killed and the placed on the cross... while the other is of the view that he was placed on the cross and then died. Both views are rejected in this the wordings of the Holy Quran that "maa Qataluuhu wa maa Solabuuhu"

shadeyinka:


I guess you should have a good say about this:

cc: Empiree , Rashduct4luv:

I have nothing to say except this thread below.

https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus

Niyi53:


those of his friends that died were crucified cos they died as a result of it.
the one who did not died wasn't crucified.!

I think you are deliberately being myopic in comprehension or a deliberate redefinition of words to suit your believes.

If a Crucified person survives, it doesn't negate the fact that he was Crucified. He only survived.

If a person was poisoned and he survived, does it imply that he was never poisoned?

Niyi53:

the example of the firing squad you presented is actually in my favour and does not support your point. Because the person faced the firing squad but that never resulted in his death.
Likewise, Jesus Christ experienced the pains of being hanged/nailed on the cross but that never in any way resulted to his death!!!

Hear yourself speak.
A person who survives firing squad was never arraigned for firing squad? No Sir.
He is just a survivor of Something that ordinarily would have led to his death.
A person who is hung on a stake with the intention of slowly killing him is Crucified! QED. There is no argument under the heavens that would change that.

Niyi53:

You saying that the Holy Quran is emphatic on
1.
Jesus did NOT die! (The end result of Crucifixion)

this is wrong because the Arabic word used "maa Qataluuhu" does not in anyway refer to the end result of crucifixion!!!

while the second that you mentioned:
Jesus was not Crucified! "(Not hung on the tree with the intention to kill him)"

How come over 20 English different translations of the Qur'an did not explain it like that? Because your interpretation is WRONG. Ghulam is not even an Arab and he knows Arabic more than all the other translators?

Niyi53:

.... is also not correct
for the word "maa Solabuuhu" does not negate him being hanged on the cross!

The Jews were divided into two groups with regards to the crucifixion.
One is of the view that Jesus was first killed and the placed on the cross... while the other is of the view that he was placed on the cross and then died. Both views are rejected in this the wordings of the Holy Quran that "maa Qataluuhu wa maa Solabuuhu"

The Jews views?
You don't even know the Jews views because: the event took place almost 600 years before the Islamic version. The seventh generation of those who were alive at the time of Jesus haven't even witnessed just a single crucifixion in their lifetime.

Ask yourself: does it make sense to Crucify a dead corpse?

So called for the words of Allah that is SIMPLE to comprehend! But Muslims like you distort it like they do other scriptures

On the day you succeed in convincing the whole world that a person who was poisoned but didn't die was NOT poisoned, then we shall agree with you that a person who was Crucified but didn't die wasn't Crucified in the first place.

Rashduct4luv:


I have nothing to say except this thread below.

https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus

I have read it. It doesn't answer anything and because it directly contradicts the gospels you need to clear the mix-up.
A friend of yours believe that Jesus fainted on the cross. Is that your view too?

We will refer to Jesus as ‘Eesa throughout this article.

I will like to inform you that among what a Muslim must ''believe in'' is to believe in the Prophets. This Prophets includes Ibrahim (Abraham), Musa (Moses), Isma'eel (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), Ayyob (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), Sulaiman (Solomon), Dawud (David), Idrees (Enoch), Dhul Kifl (Isaiah), Lut (Lot), Zakariyya (Zachariah), Ilyaas (Elijah), Al-Yasa (Elisha), Yahya (John), 'Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all). And the knowledge of their numbers belongs to Allah only! We believe all of them were sent by Allah to certain set of people. Some were given Inspired Books like Torah (Musa), Zabur (Dawud) Injeel ('Eesa), Qur'an (Muhammad), etc.

The beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him).

1. Muslims do believe in ‘Eesa as a Prophet, a messenger and a noble slave of Allah sent to the children of Israel to call them to believe in Allah alone and to worship Him alone.

2. ‘Eesa was never a god or the son of God as the Christians claim.

3. We believe that Allaah supported him with miracles that proved he was speaking the truth. Many Prophets before him did miracles. The miracles includes ‘Eesa speaking while he was still in the cradle, breathing in to a clay bird making it turn to a live bird, healing the blind & lepers, quickening the dead, etc. All this happens solely with the permission of Allah.

4. We believe ‘Eesa has no father and his mother Maryam was a virgin. This is similar to Adam who has no father or Mother and Hawa (Eve) who has no mother but was created from Adam (peace be upon them both).

5. We believe that he permitted to the Jews some of the things that had been forbidden to them.

6. We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive.

7. We believe that he told his followers of the coming of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

8. We believe that he will come back down at the end of time, and will disprove the claim of his enemies the Jews that they killed him, and will disprove the claim of the Christians that he is God or the son of God, and he will not accept anything from them but Islam.

9. Then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.

These are the beliefs of a Muslim towards ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) as founded in the Books of Islam.

We ask Allaah to make us steadfast in faith and to cause us to die as believers.
May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad.

The issue at stake is your number 6: kindly provide an explanation for what happened?

Nopeace4dwicked:
Christianity is a religion
Islam is a religion
Hinduism is a religion
Buddhism is a religion
Religion doesn't have solution to mankind's problems.

The KINGDOM OF GOD is not a religion . mankind lost d kingdom of GOD wen Adam disobeyed GOD in d garden of Eden. So, GOD put man away from his presence.
Jesus came 2bring back dat kingdom which mankind lost. When Jesus started preaching He said change d way u tink 4dat Kingdom which mankind lost, I have come 2bring it back again. The kingdom of GOD gives u power of every circumstance on earth, it gives power over all demonic & satanic powers. It gives power of sickness, power over ur finances.
Seek, Search 4 or luk for the Kingdom of GOD 1ST and everytin u need in ur life shall b added 2u

Jesus is the kingdom of God

shadeyinka:




How come over 20 English different translations of the Qur'an did not explain it like that? Because your interpretation is WRONG. Ghulam is not even an Arab and he knows Arabic more than all the other translators?
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the poison example... take your dictionary and check the meaning of "poison" and see if it allows for that or not. It definitely allows for such interpretation. because to poison might either be to harm or cause death. if the person does not die, it would definitely cause harm to him and hence the right usage of the word.

look... if you still insist on your own meaning and understanding of the word crucify, no problem. But the fact still remains that the denial of the Holy Quran is not for this that he was hanged. No!
the Holy Quran is only denying he dying as a result of that.

let all the translators themselves claim to be much versed in the language that no one knows better than them ...

There are Arabic dictionaries written by non Muslims who aren't Arabs.
and there are renowned Arabic grammarians who were also not Arabs and also acknowledged by the Arabs. So that isn't something new.


so why they adopted such translations, it is because that was what they believe. The made the translation to suit their beliefs... but Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) announced before everyone that Allah has blessed him with special understanding of the Holy Quran.
He challenged all the so called Islamic scholars and also the Arabs all together... but no one could accept the challenge

Niyi53:


the poison example... take your dictionary and check the meaning of "poison" and see if it allows for that or not. It definitely allows for such interpretation. because to poison might either be to harm or cause death. if the person does not die, it would definitely cause harm to him and hence the right usage of the word.

look... if you still insist on your own meaning and understanding of the word crucify, no problem . But the fact still remains that the denial of the Holy Quran is not for this that he was hanged. No!
the Holy Quran is only denying he dying as a result of that.

let all the translators themselves claim to be much versed in the language that no one knows better than them ...

There are Arabic dictionaries written by non Muslims who aren't Arabs.
and there are renowned Arabic grammarians who were also not Arabs and also acknowledged by the Arabs. So that isn't something new.


so why they adopted such translations, it is because that was what they believe. The made the translation to suit their beliefs... but Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) announced before everyone that Allah has blessed him with special understanding of the Holy Quran.
He challenged all the so called Islamic scholars and also the Arabs all together... but no one could accept the challenge

I think it is you who is trying to redefine plain words to suit your interpretation.

If people have survived Crucifixion just as people have survived poison, it's your words against common sense.
I believe you don't know that people have survived hanging. As far as you are concerned, the fact that they survived it means they were never hanged. People have survived drowning, and as far as you are concerned, they never drowned.

The words of the Qur'an is plain:
Jesus wasn't killed
Jesus wasn't Crucified
These are two separate things: else, if being killed is the same as being Crucified, why the meaningless repetition?

Yes special understanding befitting Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad redefining words to mean what it's not. You are exactly like the Christians Jehovahs witness. Exactly equivalent. I wonder who is more lost between these two sects.

It's so sad that every other argument of yours is based on this serious misinformation. Which still doesn't make sense in the light of the gospel

shadeyinka:


I have read it. It doesn't answer anything and because it directly contradicts the gospels you need to clear the mix-up.
A friend of yours believe that Jesus fainted on the cross. Is that your view too?


The issue at stake is your number 6: kindly provide an explanation for what happened?

Ahmadi sects who disbelieves in the texts of the Qur'an are Non-Muslims.

Crucifixion is a scam The Muslim's Jesus was raised up and was never crucified.

https://www.nairaland.com/4106314/discussion-christian-crucifixion


https://www.nairaland.com/4106470/discussion-christian-christian-doctrine-redemption

Rashduct4luv:


Crucifixion is a scam The Muslim's Jesus was raised up and never crucified.

https://www.nairaland.com/4106314/discussion-christian-crucifixion

If your best response is that "Crucifixion is a Scam!", then you must have some good reason and the explanation of what really happened. For something to be a scam or fake, there has to be exact methods of distinguishing the Real from Fake isn't it?

And it is very stupid to hold a foreign currency and declare it a fake if you can't show how the original looks likes and the distinguishing features. A currency is not fake just because you got it from a currency forger. . Ono's is on you to provide details of how the original look like and then the differences can be clearly outlined for all to see, otherwise, it is a complete conjunction and baseless assertions.

In the case of the Christians, they established the name, time period, why and other details below of the event in question. At least, the Qur'an agrees with Christians (according to you) that someone was Crucified; The only point of disagreement is the Personality of the person. So, what exactly was the Scam you spoke about?


So, how does one establish a case of scam/fake/forgery? By answering some basic questions
1. Who made the scam/fake products?
2. What was their motivation/gain?
3. How does the original look like? And how is the fake different?
4. When was the original and fake produced?
5. Where was the original and fake produced?

shadeyinka:

If your best response is that "Crucifixion is a Scam!", then you must have some good reason and the explanation of what really happened. For something to be a scam or fake, there has to be exact methods of distinguishing the Real from Fake isn't it?

And it is very stupid to hold a foreign currency and declare it a fake if you can't show how the original looks likes and the distinguishing features. A currency is not fake just because you got it from a currency forger. . Ono's is on you to provide details of how the original look like and then the differences can be clearly outlined for all to see, otherwise, it is a complete conjunction and baseless assertions.

In the case of the Christians, they established the name, time period, why and other details below of the event in question. At least, the Qur'an agrees with Christians (according to you) that someone was Crucified; The only point of disagreement is the Personality of the person. So, what exactly was the Scam you spoke about?


So, how does one establish a case of scam/fake/forgery? By answering some basic questions
1. Who made the scam/fake products?
2. What was their motivation/gain?
3. How does the original look like? And how is the fake different?
4. When was the original and fake produced?
5. Where was the original and fake produced?

Finally, the Islamic position is this:

Allah, The Most-High, has honoured and dignified I’sa (Jesus) (Alaihi As-Salaam), and saved him from the Jews who were transgressing him, and He raised him up to the heavens with his body and soul, and he is still so until today. Allah, The Exalted, Says as a response to those who claim that they have killed the Messiah: {And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]: But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All-Powerful, All Wise.}[4:157-158].

This verse is an evidence that Allah, The Most-High, took him up alive and saved him from being killed. There is a consensus of the Ummah – as Ibn Qayyim reports in Bayan Talbiss al-Jahmia – that Allah has raised I’sa (Alaihi As-Salaam) to him to the heavens.
In another verse Allah Says: {And (remember) when Allâh said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allâh's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allâh) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allâh, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad SAW, 'Iesa (Jesus), Mûsa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur'ân] till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."}[3:55].
Ibn Taymiyah said in response 'to those who claim that they had killed him'. This is an evidence that Allah did not mean by “I will take you” death, because if he meant death by that expression, then I’sa will be like other believers; as Allah takes their souls and raises them (souls) up to the heavens, there is no particularity in that.

Also, the Saying of Allah: {and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allâh's son] of those who disbelieve,}, and if it was that his soul departed away from his body, then his body would have remained on earth like all other Prophets.
In another verse Allah Said: {…but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]: But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens).} this means that both his body and soul were raised to the heavens.
..................................................

[Extracted from Majmou’ al-Fatawi of Ibn Taymiyah, 322-323].

What could be concluded from his text, may Allah have mercy on him, is that the word “Tawafi” in the verse means “the taking away”, i.e. that Allah had taken away I’sa (Alaihi As-Salaam), with his body and soul and raised him to the heavens.
However, the word ‘Tawafi’ which could have the meaning of death, refers to the taking away of the soul only, there is a separation between the body and soul.

Therefore we know that there is no contradiction between the verse mentioned above and other evidences of raising up, but they confirm the same meaning.

As regards the man to whom Allaah gave the features of ‘Eesa may Allaah exalt his mention and who was crucified by the Jews, it was said that it was the Jewish Titanus who entered a house where ‘Eesa (Jesus) may Allaah exalt his mention was, and when he came out, Allaah gave him the features of ‘Eesa may Allaah exalt his mention and he was killed. It was also said that it was the guard who was surveilling the place where ‘Eesa may Allaah exalt his mention was imprisoned. Other things were also said about him.

Al- Bukhari and Muslim reported that 'the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: " Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims who are in the protection of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and nobody will accept charitable gifts."

He will stay for 40 years. Then Allah will make him die and this is his death. So, Jesus sallallaahu`alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) was not crucified nor was he killed. In fact, he did not die. He is still alive thanks to the power of Allah the Almighty.
If we imagine that Jesus was killed, then crucified, then raised up, there is no evidence in this proving that he was God or a son of God. This is clear to anyone who accepts that Allah, the Almighty, is able to do anything He wishes and that when He wants something, He says to it: {Be and it happens immediately}.

Allah knows best

Bye!

Rashduct4luv:


Finally, the Islamic position is this:

Allah, The Most-High, has honoured and dignified I’sa (Jesus) (Alaihi As-Salaam), and saved him from the Jews who were transgressing him, and He raised him up to the heavens with his body and soul, and he is still so until today. Allah, The Exalted, Says as a response to those who claim that they have killed the Messiah: {And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]: But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All-Powerful, All Wise.}[4:157-158].

This verse is an evidence that Allah, The Most-High, took him up alive and saved him from being killed. There is a consensus of the Ummah – as Ibn Qayyim reports in Bayan Talbiss al-Jahmia – that Allah has raised I’sa (Alaihi As-Salaam) to him to the heavens.
In another verse Allah Says: {And (remember) when Allâh said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allâh's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allâh) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allâh, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad SAW, 'Iesa (Jesus), Mûsa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur'ân] till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."}[3:55].
Ibn Taymiyah said in response 'to those who claim that they had killed him'. This is an evidence that Allah did not mean by “I will take you” death, because if he meant death by that expression, then I’sa will be like other believers; as Allah takes their souls and raises them (souls) up to the heavens, there is no particularity in that.

Also, the Saying of Allah: {and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allâh's son] of those who disbelieve,}, and if it was that his soul departed away from his body, then his body would have remained on earth like all other Prophets.
In another verse Allah Said: {…but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]: But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens).} this means that both his body and soul were raised to the heavens.
..................................................

[Extracted from Majmou’ al-Fatawi of Ibn Taymiyah, 322-323].

What could be concluded from his text, may Allah have mercy on him, is that the word “Tawafi” in the verse means “the taking away”, i.e. that Allah had taken away I’sa (Alaihi As-Salaam), with his body and soul and raised him to the heavens.
However, the word ‘Tawafi’ which could have the meaning of death, refers to the taking away of the soul only, there is a separation between the body and soul.

Therefore we know that there is no contradiction between the verse mentioned above and other evidences of raising up, but they confirm the same meaning.

As regards the man to whom Allaah gave the features of ‘Eesa may Allaah exalt his mention and who was crucified by the Jews, it was said that it was the Jewish Titanus who entered a house where ‘Eesa (Jesus) may Allaah exalt his mention was, and when he came out, Allaah gave him the features of ‘Eesa may Allaah exalt his mention and he was killed. It was also said that it was the guard who was surveilling the place where ‘Eesa may Allaah exalt his mention was imprisoned. Other things were also said about him.

Al- Bukhari and Muslim reported that 'the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: " Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims who are in the protection of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and nobody will accept charitable gifts."

He will stay for 40 years. Then Allah will make him die and this is his death. So, Jesus sallallaahu`alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) was not crucified nor was he killed. In fact, he did not die. He is still alive thanks to the power of Allah the Almighty.
If we imagine that Jesus was killed, then crucified, then raised up, there is no evidence in this proving that he was God or a son of God. This is clear to anyone who accepts that Allah, the Almighty, is able to do anything He wishes and that when He wants something, He says to it: {Be and it happens immediately}.

Allah knows best

Bye!

I understand the traditional claim of Islam as you have put it above
In summary
1. Jesus was not killed
2. Jesus was not Crucified
3. Someone else who's name is Titanus was made to resemble Jesus and that was the person Crucified
4. Jesus was raised up to God in heaven Body and Soul
5. Jesus is coming back to kill the Daajjal, break the crosses and kill the pigs
6. He would live for 40 years the die and be buried.

AND I will like you to permit me to ask questions that these issues bring up . I almost recited the shahada in my 200Levels. Part of what stopped me was this same questions I am going to present to you.

For clarity sake, I am going to ask you these questions one at a time so that issues will not be cluttered together.

If the six summaries above are ok with you, I'll like to proceed with your permission and I hope you will answer them to the best of your ability. There are like five to six questions.

Assalam Aleikum!

shadeyinka:

I understand the traditional claim of Islam as you have put it above
In summary
1. Jesus was not killed
2. Jesus was not Crucified
3. Someone else who's name is Titanus was made to resemble Jesus and that was the person Crucified
4. Jesus was raised up to God in heaven Body and Soul
5. Jesus is coming back to kill the Daajjal, break the crosses and kill the pigs
6. He would live for 40 years the die and be buried.

AND I will like you to permit me to ask questions that these issues bring up . I almost recited the shahada in my 200Levels. Part of what stopped me was this same questions I am going to present to you.

For clarity sake, I am going to ask you these questions one at a time so that issues will not be cluttered together.

If the six summaries above are ok with you, I'll like to proceed with your permission and I hope you will answer them to the best of your ability. There are like five to six questions.

Assalam Aleikum!

Wa 'alaikum salam, Five to six questions only!

Rashduct4luv:


Wa 'alaikum salam, Five to six questions only!

I thought you disappeared!
That was why I opened the other thread.

Unfortunately, non of you have explained just one of the questions.

Who was present when Jesus was taken up to heaven?
Was it a secret or a few disciples knew about it?

Fathertony:
[s][/s] Thrash

It's never a thrash