The Quran mistakenly blends the stories of Saul and Gideon. The Quran says that the Prophet Samuel made Saul (whom the Quran names "Talut" due to his height) the king of Israel and in his days David killed Jalut (Goliath) in a fight (see 1 Samuel 15;17). The Quran then combines Saul with the Biblical account of Gideon's army in which the army was tested by drinking from the river when they were preparing to fight the Midianites (see Judges 7:1-. Therefore, the Quran mistakenly presents Talut (Saul) as Gideon and the war with the Philistines as the war with the Midianites even though the events occurred many years apart.

AL-BAQARA:247-251
247 And their prophet said to them: Surely Allah has raised Talut to be a king over you. They said: How can he hold kingship over us while we have a greater right to kingship than he, and he has not been granted an abundance of wealth? He said: Surely Allah has chosen him in preference to you, and He has increased him abundantly in knowledge and physique, and Allah grants His kingdom to whom He pleases, and Allah is Amplegiving, Knowing. 248 And the prophet said to them: Surely the sign of His kingdom is, that there shall come to you the chest in which there is tranquillity from your Lord and residue of the relics of what the children of Musa and the children of Haroun have left, the angels bearing it; most surely there is a sign in this for those who believe. 249 So when Talut departed with the forces, he said: Surely Allah will try you with a river; whoever then drinks from it, he is not of me, and whoever does not taste of it, he is surely of me, except he who takes with his hand as much of it as fills the hand; but with the exception of a few of them they drank from it. So when he had crossed it, he and those who believed with him, they said: We have today no power against Jalut and his forces. Those who were sure that they would meet their Lord said: How often has a small party vanquished a numerous host by Allah's permission, and Allah is with the patient. 250 And when they went out against Jalut and his forces they said: Our Lord, pour down upon us patience, and make our steps firm and assist us against the unbelieving people. 251 So they put them to flight by Allah's permission. And Dawood slew Jalut, and Allah gave him kingdom and wisdom, and taught him of what He pleased. And were it not for Allah's repelling some men with others, the earth would certainly be in a state of disorder; but Allah is Gracious to the creatures.

This is a confirmation of the qur'an being copied from Biblical stories since their torah and injl etc are claimed to be lost. This they do not well enough as one continues to see gaps in qur'anic stories which sometimes lack concord and coherence. Or what could be attributed to such mix ups?

nossycheek:
The Quran mistakenly blends the stories of Saul and Gideon. The Quran says that the Prophet Samuel made Saul (whom the Quran names "Talut" due to his height) the king of Israel and in his days David killed Jalut (Goliath) in a fight (see 1 Samuel 15;17). The Quran then combines Saul with the Biblical account of Gideon's army in which the army was tested by drinking from the river when they were preparing to fight the Midianites (see Judges 7:1-. Therefore, the Quran mistakenly presents Talut (Saul) as Gideon and the war with the Philistines as the war with the Midianites even though the events occurred many years apart.

AL-BAQARA:247-251
247 And their prophet said to them: Surely Allah has raised Talut to be a king over you. They said: How can he hold kingship over us while we have a greater right to kingship than he, and he has not been granted an abundance of wealth? He said: Surely Allah has chosen him in preference to you, and He has increased him abundantly in knowledge and physique, and Allah grants His kingdom to whom He pleases, and Allah is Amplegiving, Knowing. 248 And the prophet said to them: Surely the sign of His kingdom is, that there shall come to you the chest in which there is tranquillity from your Lord and residue of the relics of what the children of Musa and the children of Haroun have left, the angels bearing it; most surely there is a sign in this for those who believe. 249 So when Talut departed with the forces, he said: Surely Allah will try you with a river; whoever then drinks from it, he is not of me, and whoever does not taste of it, he is surely of me, except he who takes with his hand as much of it as fills the hand; but with the exception of a few of them they drank from it. So when he had crossed it, he and those who believed with him, they said: We have today no power against Jalut and his forces. Those who were sure that they would meet their Lord said: How often has a small party vanquished a numerous host by Allah's permission, and Allah is with the patient. 250 And when they went out against Jalut and his forces they said: Our Lord, pour down upon us patience, and make our steps firm and assist us against the unbelieving people. 251 So they put them to flight by Allah's permission. And Dawood slew Jalut, and Allah gave him kingdom and wisdom, and taught him of what He pleased. And were it not for Allah's repelling some men with others, the earth would certainly be in a state of disorder; but Allah is Gracious to the creatures.

This is a confirmation of the qur'an being copied from Biblical stories since their torah and injl etc are claimed to be lost. This they do not well enough as one continues to see gaps in qur'anic stories which sometimes lack concord and coherence. Or what could be attributed to such mix ups?

What you don't know is that the Qur'an had come to fulfill the prophesy of Jesus (Peace and Blessings of Allah be Upon Him).

Read John 16:12-14; "I (Jesus) still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come. He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify me, for He will take of what is mine and declare it to you".

Decent09:


What you don't know is that the Qur'an had come to fulfill the prophesy of Jesus (Peace and Blessings of Allah be Upon Him).

Read John 16:12-14; "I (Jesus) still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come. He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify me, for He will take of what is mine and declare it to you".

Was Muhammad a spirit ?

Did Muhammad know the apostles ?

Did Muhammad speak of his own or not ?

The Spirit came in the time of the apostles :

Acts 2:1-4 KJV
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. [2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

enilove:


Was Muhammad a spirit ?

Did Muhammad know the apostles ?

Did Muhammad speak of his own or not ?

The Spirit came in the time of the apostles :

Acts 2:1-4 KJV
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. [2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Allah SWT said:

"And indeed, the Qur'an is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds."
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 192)

"The Trustworthy Spirit has brought it down"
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 193)

"And indeed, it is [mentioned] in the scriptures of former peoples."
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 196)

"And has it not been a sign to them that it is recognized by the scholars of the Children of Israel?"
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 197)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

How can the quaoran/Mohammed explained things that happened in a far away Isreal time which he isn't privy of??

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:

"And indeed, the Qur'an is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds."
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 192)

"The Trustworthy Spirit has brought it down"
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 193)

"And indeed, it is [mentioned] in the scriptures of former peoples."
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 196)

"And has it not been a sign to them that it is recognized by the scholars of the Children of Israel?"
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 197)

*Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

What is the difference between your Allah and Satan via the below :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا وَكِيعٌ، عَنْ طَلْحَةَ بْنِ يَحْيَى، عَنْ عَمَّتِهِ، عَائِشَةَ بِنْتِ طَلْحَةَ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ أُمِّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، قَالَتْ دُعِيَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِلَى جَنَازَةِ صَبِيٍّ مِنَ الأَنْصَارِ فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ طُوبَى لِهَذَا عُصْفُورٌ مِنْ عَصَافِيرِ الْجَنَّةِ لَمْ يَعْمَلِ السُّوءَ وَلَمْ يُدْرِكْهُ قَالَ ‏

‏ أَوَغَيْرَ ذَلِكَ يَا عَائِشَةُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ خَلَقَ لِلْجَنَّةِ أَهْلاً خَلَقَهُمْ لَهَا وَهُمْ فِي أَصْلاَبِ آبَائِهِمْ وَخَلَقَ لِلنَّارِ أَهْلاً خَلَقَهُمْ لَهَا وَهُمْ فِي أَصْلاَبِ آبَائِهِمْ ‏"


A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:

Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
In-book : Book 46, Hadith 47
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6436  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Why would a good God create someone for hell without sin or not ?

Matthew 19:14 KJV
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 18:2-4 KJV
And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[4] Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Tell me why your god would want innocent children to go to hell ?

enilove:


What is the difference between your Allah and Satan via the below :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا وَكِيعٌ، عَنْ طَلْحَةَ بْنِ يَحْيَى، عَنْ عَمَّتِهِ، عَائِشَةَ بِنْتِ طَلْحَةَ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ أُمِّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، قَالَتْ دُعِيَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِلَى جَنَازَةِ صَبِيٍّ مِنَ الأَنْصَارِ فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ طُوبَى لِهَذَا عُصْفُورٌ مِنْ عَصَافِيرِ الْجَنَّةِ لَمْ يَعْمَلِ السُّوءَ وَلَمْ يُدْرِكْهُ قَالَ ‏

‏ أَوَغَيْرَ ذَلِكَ يَا عَائِشَةُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ خَلَقَ لِلْجَنَّةِ أَهْلاً خَلَقَهُمْ لَهَا وَهُمْ فِي أَصْلاَبِ آبَائِهِمْ وَخَلَقَ لِلنَّارِ أَهْلاً خَلَقَهُمْ لَهَا وَهُمْ فِي أَصْلاَبِ آبَائِهِمْ ‏"


A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:

Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
In-book : Book 46, Hadith 47
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6436  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Why would a good God create someone for hell without sin or not ?

Matthew 19:14 KJV
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 18:2-4 KJV
And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[4] Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Tell me why your god would want innocent children to go to hell ?

Everyone will bear his or her own burden alone. Allah has sent prophet and warners at intervals including the Quran to warn humans that he is one God and has no partners we humans made our choices.
The bolded above shows there is a certain age one can reach before one can commit sin so Allah didn't plan hell for innocent children but only the defiantly disobedient people...

Allah SWT said:

"And We send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners. So whoever believes and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 48)

"But those who deny Our verses - the punishment will touch them for their defiant disobedience."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 49)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


Let me ask you this is the Holy Spirit 'God' or 'an Angel'?

@enilove Christians even stooped so low to call angel (holy spirit) God ... God the father, God the son, God the Holy spirit

Isaiah 63:9-12
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the Angel of His presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them; and He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his [b]holy Spirit: [/b]therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? -

Exodus 23:20-23

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. -
Remember, only the holy spirit will not forgive when angered. We can clearly see that the holy spirit is indeed an angel.

Allah SWT said:

"Say, Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is [none but] he who has brought the Qur'an down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah, confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 97)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

haekymbahd:
Everyone will bear his or her own burden alone. Allah has sent prophet and warners at intervals including the Quran to warn humans that he is one God and has no partners we humans made our choices.
The bolded above shows there is a certain age one can reach before one can commit sin so Allah didn't plan hell for innocent children but only the defiantly disobedient people...

Allah SWT said:

"And We send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners. So whoever believes and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 48)

"But those who deny Our verses - the punishment will touch them for their defiant disobedience."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 49)
* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Let me ask you this is the Holy Spirit 'God' or 'an Angel'?

As I once told you , you don't know the kind of god you are worshipping .

If you want to know the truth , when I ask you a question , think about it with an open mind b4 answer it .
I will do the same with yours .

You said everyone will bear his or her burden . That is the way it should be . But the case of a baby , what was the comment of Muhammad ?

Let's see another evidence to prove that Allah is not Almighty God :

Hadith



حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ حَاتِمٍ، وَإِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ دِينَارِ، وَابْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ الْمَكِّيُّ، وَأَحْمَدُ بْنُ عَبْدَةَ، الضَّبِّيُّ جَمِيعًا عَنِ ابْنِ عُيَيْنَةَ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لاِبْنِ حَاتِمٍ وَابْنِ دِينَارٍ - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ، عُيَيْنَةَ عَنْ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ طَاوُسٍ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏‏ احْتَجَّ آدَمُ وَمُوسَى فَقَالَ مُوسَى يَا آدَمُ أَنْتَ أَبُونَا خَيَّبْتَنَا وَأَخْرَجْتَنَا مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ أَنْتَ مُوسَى اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِكَلاَمِهِ وَخَطَّ لَكَ بِيَدِهِ أَتَلُومُنِي عَلَى أَمْرٍ قَدَّرَهُ اللَّهُ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَنِي بِأَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَفِي حَدِيثِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَرَ وَابْنِ عَبْدَةَ قَالَ أَحَدُهُمَا خَطَّ ‏.‏ وَقَالَ الآخَرُ كَتَبَ لَكَ التَّوْرَاةَ بِيَدِهِ ‏.‏"



Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

There was argument between Adam and Moses. Moses said to Adam: You are our father. You did us harm and caused us to get out of Paradise. Adam said to him: You are Moses. Allah selected you (for direct conversation with you) and wrote with His own Hand the Book (Torah) for you. Despite this you blame me for an act which Allah had ordained for me forty years before He created me. Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said:. This is how Adam came the better of Moses and Adam came the better of Moses.

Sahih Muslim 2652 a
In-book : Book 46, Hadith 20
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6409  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

THIS MEANS ALL THE EVILS OF THIS WORLD ARE DESTINED BY Allah .

Tell me , is that a case if bearing ones burden ?

enilove:


As I once told you , you don't know the kind of god you are worshipping .

If you want to know the truth , when I ask you a question , think about it with an open mind b4 answer it .
I will do the same with yours .

You said everyone will bear his or her burden . That is the way it should be . But the case of a baby , what was the comment of Muhammad ?

Let's see another evidence to prove that Allah is not Almighty God :

Hadith



حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ حَاتِمٍ، وَإِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ دِينَارِ، وَابْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ الْمَكِّيُّ، وَأَحْمَدُ بْنُ عَبْدَةَ، الضَّبِّيُّ جَمِيعًا عَنِ ابْنِ عُيَيْنَةَ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لاِبْنِ حَاتِمٍ وَابْنِ دِينَارٍ - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ، عُيَيْنَةَ عَنْ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ طَاوُسٍ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏‏ احْتَجَّ آدَمُ وَمُوسَى فَقَالَ مُوسَى يَا آدَمُ أَنْتَ أَبُونَا خَيَّبْتَنَا وَأَخْرَجْتَنَا مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ أَنْتَ مُوسَى اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِكَلاَمِهِ وَخَطَّ لَكَ بِيَدِهِ أَتَلُومُنِي عَلَى أَمْرٍ قَدَّرَهُ اللَّهُ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَنِي بِأَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَفِي حَدِيثِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَرَ وَابْنِ عَبْدَةَ قَالَ أَحَدُهُمَا خَطَّ ‏.‏ وَقَالَ الآخَرُ كَتَبَ لَكَ التَّوْرَاةَ بِيَدِهِ ‏.‏"



Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

There was argument between Adam and Moses. Moses said to Adam: You are our father. You did us harm and caused us to get out of Paradise. Adam said to him: You are Moses. Allah selected you (for direct conversation with you) and wrote with His own Hand the Book (Torah) for you. Despite this you blame me for an act which Allah had ordained for me forty years before He created me. Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said:. This is how Adam came the better of Moses and Adam came the better of Moses.

Sahih Muslim 2652 a
In-book : Book 46, Hadith 20
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6409  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

THIS MEANS ALL THE EVILS OF THIS WORLD ARE DESTINED BY Allah .

Tell me , is that a case if bearing ones burden ?

Did Allah warn Adam or nor

Allah SWT said:

"So We said, O Adam, indeed this is an enemy to you and to your wife. Then let him not remove you from Paradise so you would suffer."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 117)
"Then Satan whispered to him; he said, O Adam, shall I direct you to the tree of eternity and possession that will not deteriorate?"
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 120)
"And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 121)
"Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him]."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 122)
"[Allah] said, Descend from Paradise - all, [your descendants] being enemies to one another. And if there should come to you guidance from Me - then whoever follows My guidance will neither go astray [in the world] nor suffer [in the Hereafter]."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 123)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Before Allah can punish anyone then a warning must have come. Yes Allah still forgave him and made him a prophet. What more should he do.

Allah is still better than the God of the original sin who didn't forgive until he sent Jesus...

haekymbahd:
@enilove Christians even stooped so low to call angel (holy spirit) God ... God the father, God the son, God the Holy spirit

Isaiah 63:9-12
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the Angel of His presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them; and He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his [b]holy Spirit: [/b]therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? -

Exodus 23:20-23

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. -
Remember, only the holy spirit will not forgive when angered. We can clearly see that the holy spirit is indeed an angel.

Allah SWT said:
"Say, Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is [none but] he who has brought the Qur'an down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah, confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 97)

*Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

No Christian would call an angel Holy Spirit .
It is not only the Holy Spirit who does not forgive sins . Just as you read above , it says the ANGEL .

There is an instance where the angel did not forgive :

Luke 1:18-20 KJV
And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.
[19] And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
[20] And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

Did that make Gabriel the Holy Spirit ? No .
Two things can have related attributes but does not akways make them the same.
Because birds flies does not make angels to be birds .

haekymbahd:
Did Allah warn Adam or nor

Allah SWT said:

"So We said, O Adam, indeed this is an enemy to you and to your wife. Then let him not remove you from Paradise so you would suffer."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 117)
"Then Satan whispered to him; he said, O Adam, shall I direct you to the tree of eternity and possession that will not deteriorate?"
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 120)
"And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 121)
"Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him]."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 122)
"[Allah] said, Descend from Paradise - all, [your descendants] being enemies to one another. And if there should come to you guidance from Me - then whoever follows My guidance will neither go astray [in the world] nor suffer [in the Hereafter]."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 123)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Before Allah can punish anyone then a warning must have come. Yes Allah still forgave him and made him a prophet. What more should he do.

Allah is still better than the God of the original sin who didn't forgive until he sent Jesus...

Who made Adam to eat the fruit , Satan or Allah?

enilove:


No Christian would call an angel Holy Spirit .
It is not only the Holy Spirit who does not forgive sins . Just as you read above , it says the ANGEL .

There is an instance where the angel did not forgive :

Luke 1:18-20 KJV
And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.
[19] And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
[20] And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

Did that make Gabriel the Holy Spirit ? No .
Two things can have related attributes but does not akways make them the same.
Because birds flies does not make angels to be birds .

what is difference between an Angel and Holy Spirit in this verse

Isaiah 63:9-12
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the Angel of His presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them; and He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them

enilove:


Who made Adam to eat the fruit , Satan or Allah?

Let me give you this scenerio Let say you vision where you were told not to marry the lady you love so much and went ahead and defy Gods word and warning and she ended up ruining you.

How did God know the lady won't be Good for you?

Is he to blame for your ruin since is warning was not heeded to?

Allah can see the future so he knows what Satan will do that's why he warned him it could be avoided?


At least you are a Christian and you believe for anything to happen in the physical realm it must have occurred in the spiritual realm... If Allah had know what will 40yrs from now it is part of his ability. If it was his intention for it to happen then he wouldn't warned Adam.

haekymbahd:
what is difference between an Angel and Holy Spirit in this verse

Isaiah 63:9-12
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the Angel of His presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them; and He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them

Whose holy Spirit was vexed ?
That is God's holy Spirit. .

The verse above did not say ' vexed the holy Spirit '. , it's says his holy spirit . ''HIS'' is a possessive word . It belongs to God.

Biblically , holy Spirit is different from an angel.

Psalm 51:11 KJV
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Does this mean take not your angel from me ?

haekymbahd:
Let me give you this scenerio Let say you vision where you were told not to marry the lady you love so much and went ahead and defy Gods word and warning and she ended up ruining you.

How did God know the lady won't be Good for you?

Is he to blame for your ruin since is warning was not heeded to?

Allah can see the future so he knows what Satan will do that's why he warned him it could be avoided?

At least you are a Christian and you believe for anything to happen in the physical realm it must have occurred in the spiritual realm... If Allah had know what will 40yrs from now it is part of his ability. If it was his intention for it to happen then he wouldn't warned Adam.

When we talk of destiny , we mean power that controls what happens in the future.

Allah was the one that destined Adam to disobey . That is what the hadith is saying.

Destiny means something you can't change.

Let's see another example :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ حَفْصٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، حَدَّثَنَا الأَعْمَشُ، حَدَّثَنَا زَيْدُ بْنُ وَهْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَهْوَ الصَّادِقُ الْمَصْدُوقُ ‏
‏ إِنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ يُجْمَعُ فِي بَطْنِ أُمِّهِ أَرْبَعِينَ يَوْمًا، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ عَلَقَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ مُضْغَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَبْعَثُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ مَلَكًا بِأَرْبَعِ كَلِمَاتٍ، فَيُكْتَبُ عَمَلُهُ وَأَجَلُهُ وَرِزْقُهُ وَشَقِيٌّ أَوْ سَعِيدٌ، ثُمَّ يُنْفَخُ فِيهِ الرُّوحُ، فَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ لَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ النَّارِ حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَهَا إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ، فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابُ فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ، فَيَدْخُلُ الْجَنَّةَ، وَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ لَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ، حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَهَا إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابُ، فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ النَّارِ فَيَدْخُلُ النَّارَ ‏"

Narrated `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four items: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3332
In-book : Book 60, Hadith 7
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 549  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Can you tell me who programmed the soul to be in hell or heaven from the above ?

enilove:


When we talk of destiny , we mean power that controls what happens in the future.

Allah was the one that destined Adam to disobey . That is what the hadith is saying.

Destiny means something you can't change.

Let's see another example :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ حَفْصٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، حَدَّثَنَا الأَعْمَشُ، حَدَّثَنَا زَيْدُ بْنُ وَهْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَهْوَ الصَّادِقُ الْمَصْدُوقُ ‏
‏ إِنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ يُجْمَعُ فِي بَطْنِ أُمِّهِ أَرْبَعِينَ يَوْمًا، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ عَلَقَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ مُضْغَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَبْعَثُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ مَلَكًا بِأَرْبَعِ كَلِمَاتٍ، فَيُكْتَبُ عَمَلُهُ وَأَجَلُهُ وَرِزْقُهُ وَشَقِيٌّ أَوْ سَعِيدٌ، ثُمَّ يُنْفَخُ فِيهِ الرُّوحُ، فَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ لَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ النَّارِ حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَهَا إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ، فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابُ فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ، فَيَدْخُلُ الْجَنَّةَ، وَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ لَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ، حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَهَا إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابُ، فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ النَّارِ فَيَدْخُلُ النَّارَ ‏"

Narrated `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four items: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3332
In-book : Book 60, Hadith 7
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 549  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Can you tell me who programmed the soul to be in hell or heaven from the above ?

You misunderstood the verse the thing is destiny exist, if you are going to be rich in life or not. If you are going to be an orphan or not. If your children will die while you are still alive e.t.c all this things have been written down now it depends on how strong your faith is with all this adversities or blessings, does it makes your faith stand or fall. Going to hell or heaven depends on your faith in your God.

That's why God sent prophets, Warner's, Quran and other divine books too tell us all this things might happen but we shouldn't lose faith because it could determine the people of hell and paradise

Prophet Muhammad alone was a lesson to Muslims his children die while he was alive yet he served Allah till he died he didn't lose faith. His child dieing at a particular age has been written down but he sticking with islam till the end of his life is his choice.

What that hadith is trying to say is that whatever circumstances we find ourselves in life Allah knows and we shouldn't lose faith because it could determine the people of hell or paradise..

Allah SWT said:
"And this [Qur'an] is a Book We have revealed [which is] blessed, so follow it and fear Allah that you may receive mercy."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 155)

"[We revealed it] lest you say, The Scripture was only sent down to two groups before us, but we were of their study unaware,"
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 156)

"Or lest you say, If only the Scripture had been revealed to us, we would have been better guided than they. So there has [now] come to you a clear evidence from your Lord and a guidance and mercy. Then who is more unjust than one who denies the verses of Allah and turns away from them? We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses with the worst of punishment for their having turned away."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 157)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


Life is a trial for everyone of us because you serve God the way you should does not mean adversities won't befall one the way you handle it and your faith in God will determine if one will be in hell or paradise...

haekymbahd:
You misunderstood the verse the thing is destiny exist, if you are going to be rich in life or not. If you are going to be an orphan or not. If your children will die while you are still alive e.t.c all this things have been written down now it depends on how strong your faith is with all this adversities or blessings, does it makes your faith stand or fall. Going to hell or heaven depends on your faith in your God.

That's why God sent prophets, Warner's, Quran and other divine books too tell us all this things might happen but we shouldn't lose faith because it could determine the people of hell and paradise

Prophet Muhammad alone was a lesson to Muslims his children die while he was alive yet he served Allah till he died he didn't lose faith. His child dieing at a particular age has been written down but he sticking with islam till the end of his life is his choice.

What that hadith is trying to say is that whatever circumstances we find ourselves in life Allah knows and we shouldn't lose faith because it could determine the people of hell or paradise..

Allah SWT said:
"And this [Qur'an] is a Book We have revealed [which is] blessed, so follow it and fear Allah that you may receive mercy."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 155)

"[We revealed it] lest you say, The Scripture was only sent down to two groups before us, but we were of their study unaware,"
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 156)

"Or lest you say, If only the Scripture had been revealed to us, we would have been better guided than they. So there has [now] come to you a clear evidence from your Lord and a guidance and mercy. Then who is more unjust than one who denies the verses of Allah and turns away from them? We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses with the worst of punishment for their having turned away."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 157)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Life is a trial for everyone of us because you serve God the way you should does not mean adversities won't befall one the way you handle it and your faith in God will determine if one will be in hell or paradise...

It is not your faith in God that will determine if one will be in hell or heaven according to the hadith you read above .
It says , if it remains a little , the person will start to behave as the destiny has written concerning him or her .

The way it should be is what you said , but unfortunately , your god says it is not so .
What about this ?
Hadith
حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ الْجَزَرِيِّ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ الأَصَمِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ لَمْ تُذْنِبُوا لَذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِكُمْ وَلَجَاءَ بِقَوْمٍ يُذْنِبُونَ فَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ اللَّهَ فَيَغْفِرُ لَهُمْ ‏"

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

Sahih Muslim 2749
In-book : Book 50, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 37, Hadith 6622  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Can this from a Holy God ?

If you will be judged by your deeds and faith , why killing and forcing people to accept Islam :

Hadith
وَحَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، حَدَّثَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ هَمَّامِ بْنِ مُنَبِّهٍ، قَالَ هَذَا مَا حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَذَكَرَ أَحَادِيثَ مِنْهَا وَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
‏ لَقَدْ هَمَمْتُ أَنْ آمُرَ فِتْيَانِي أَنْ يَسْتَعِدُّوا لِي بِحُزَمٍ مِنْ حَطَبٍ ثُمَّ آمُرَ رَجُلاً يُصَلِّي بِالنَّاسِ ثُمَّ تُحَرَّقُ بُيُوتٌ عَلَى مَنْ فِيهَا ‏"
Hammam b. Munabbih reported:

This is what Abu Huraira reported to us from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and (in this connection) he narrated some ahadith, one of them is: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: I intend that I should command my young men to gather bundles fuel for me, and then order a person to lead people in prayer, and then burn the houses with their inmates (who have not joined the congregation).

Sahih Muslim 651 c
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 319
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1371  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Hadith
وَحَدَّثَنِي عَمْرٌو النَّاقِدُ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي الزِّنَادِ، عَنِ الأَعْرَجِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَدَ نَاسًا فِي بَعْضِ الصَّلَوَاتِ فَقَالَ ‏
‏ لَقَدْ هَمَمْتُ أَنْ آمُرَ رَجُلاً يُصَلِّي بِالنَّاسِ ثُمَّ أُخَالِفَ إِلَى رِجَالٍ يَتَخَلَّفُونَ عَنْهَا فَآمُرَ بِهِمْ فَيُحَرِّقُوا عَلَيْهِمْ بِحُزَمِ الْحَطَبِ بُيُوتَهُمْ وَلَوْ عَلِمَ أَحَدُهُمْ أَنَّهُ يَجِدُ عَظْمًا سَمِينًا لَشَهِدَهَا ‏"
‏ ‏‏ يَعْنِي صَلاَةَ الْعِشَاءِ ‏‏
Abu Huraira reported:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) found some people absenting from certain prayers and he said: I intend that I order (a) person to lead people in prayer, and then go to the persons who do not join the (congregational prayer) and then order their houses to be burnt by the bundles of fuel. If one amongst them were to know that he would find a fat fleshy bone he would attend the night prayer.

Sahih Muslim 651 a
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 317
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1369  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

enilove:


It is not your faith in God that will determine if one will be in hell or heaven according to the hadith you read above .
It says , if it remains a little , the person will start to behave as the destiny has written concerning him or her .

The way it should be is what you said , but unfortunately , your god says it is not so .

Narrated `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four items: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion).
The hadith is exactly the way as I explained it the 4 items written by angels are what I put here. Human going to hell or paradise is not part of items written by Angels... That is as a result of choices made

enilove:

What about this ?
Hadith
حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ الْجَزَرِيِّ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ الأَصَمِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ لَمْ تُذْنِبُوا لَذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِكُمْ وَلَجَاءَ بِقَوْمٍ يُذْنِبُونَ فَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ اللَّهَ فَيَغْفِرُ لَهُمْ ‏"

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

Sahih Muslim 2749
In-book : Book 50, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 37, Hadith 6622  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Can this from a Holy God ?

Allah SWT said:

"Say, Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them. And do not approach immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed. And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 151)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

enilove:
If you will be judged by your deeds and faith , why killing and forcing people to accept Islam :

Hadith
وَحَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، حَدَّثَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ هَمَّامِ بْنِ مُنَبِّهٍ، قَالَ هَذَا مَا حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَذَكَرَ أَحَادِيثَ مِنْهَا وَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
‏ لَقَدْ هَمَمْتُ أَنْ آمُرَ فِتْيَانِي أَنْ يَسْتَعِدُّوا لِي بِحُزَمٍ مِنْ حَطَبٍ ثُمَّ آمُرَ رَجُلاً يُصَلِّي بِالنَّاسِ ثُمَّ تُحَرَّقُ بُيُوتٌ عَلَى مَنْ فِيهَا ‏"
Hammam b. Munabbih reported:

This is what Abu Huraira reported to us from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and (in this connection) he narrated some ahadith, one of them is: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: I intend that I should command my young men to gather bundles fuel for me, and then order a person to lead people in prayer, and then burn the houses with their inmates (who have not joined the congregation).

Sahih Muslim 651 c
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 319
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1371  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Hadith
وَحَدَّثَنِي عَمْرٌو النَّاقِدُ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي الزِّنَادِ، عَنِ الأَعْرَجِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَدَ نَاسًا فِي بَعْضِ الصَّلَوَاتِ فَقَالَ ‏
‏ لَقَدْ هَمَمْتُ أَنْ آمُرَ رَجُلاً يُصَلِّي بِالنَّاسِ ثُمَّ أُخَالِفَ إِلَى رِجَالٍ يَتَخَلَّفُونَ عَنْهَا فَآمُرَ بِهِمْ فَيُحَرِّقُوا عَلَيْهِمْ بِحُزَمِ الْحَطَبِ بُيُوتَهُمْ وَلَوْ عَلِمَ أَحَدُهُمْ أَنَّهُ يَجِدُ عَظْمًا سَمِينًا لَشَهِدَهَا ‏"
‏ ‏‏ يَعْنِي صَلاَةَ الْعِشَاءِ ‏‏
Abu Huraira reported:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) found some people absenting from certain prayers and he said: I intend that I order (a) person to lead people in prayer, and then go to the persons who do not join the (congregational prayer) and then order their houses to be burnt by the bundles of fuel. If one amongst them were to know that he would find a fat fleshy bone he would attend the night prayer.

Sahih Muslim 651 a
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 317
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1369  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Allah SWT said:

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse

"Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse 9)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

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enilove:


Whose holy Spirit was vexed ?
That is God's holy Spirit. .

The verse above did not say ' vexed the holy Spirit '. , it's says his holy spirit . ''HIS'' is a possessive word . It belongs to God.

Biblically , holy Spirit is different from an angel.

Psalm 51:11 KJV
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Does this mean take not your angel from me ?

why did Jesus use the word angel here instead of holy spirit?

Mathew 24: 36“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, f but only the Father.

Since trinity is about Father, son, Holy Spirit (Angel)

Mathew 12

32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Spirit, the Holy One, will not be forgiven, either in this world and age or in the world and age to come.


Exodus 23:20-23

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. -
Remember, only the holy spirit will not forgive when angered. We can clearly see that the holy spirit is indeed an angel.

haekymbahd:
Narrated `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four items: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion).

The hadith is exactly the way as I explained it the 4 items written by angels are what I put here. Human going to hell or paradise is not part of items written by Angels... That is as a result of choices made

Why do you have to lie and for what purpose ?

Knowing the true God is what will determine where you will spend your eternity .

Why did you copy only a portion of the hadith above ?
Did you say decision about humans going to hell or Paradise is not part of what is written by the angel?

Let's see again :

Hadith
Narrated `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four items: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire."
Sahih al-Bukhari 3332
In-book : Book 60, Hadith 7
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 549  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

THESE REMAINING FACTS WERE CUT OFF BY YOU .
Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire."

CAN YOU READ SEE WHERE IT IS WRITTEN IN BRACKET by the angels ?

Now tell me , who is the devil above ?
The innocent person who wanted to go to heaven but directed to hell by power above him or Allah that programmed him for hell ?

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haekymbahd:
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Am waiting for your reply.

Pending that time . Why does Islam claimed to be against idolaters but keeps the deeds and rituals of the idolaters ?

eg.

Hadith
Narrated Muhammad bin `Abdur-Rahman bin Nawfal Al-Qurashi:

I asked `Urwa bin Az-Zubair (regarding the Hajj of the Prophet (ﷺ) ). `Urwa replied, "Aisha narrated, 'When the Prophet (ﷺ) reached Mecca, the first thing he started with was the ablution, then he performed Tawaf of the Ka`ba and his intention was not `Umra alone (but Hajj and `Umra together).' " Later Abu Bakr I performed the Hajj and the first thing he started with was Tawaf of the Ka`ba and it was not `Umra alone (but Hajj and `Umra together). And then `Umar did the same. Then `Uthman performed the Hajj and the first thing he started with was Tawaf of the Ka`ba and it was not `Umra alone. And then Muawiya and `Abdullah bin `Umar did the same. I performed Hajj with Ibn Az-Zubair and the first thing he started with was Tawaf of the Ka`ba and it was not `Umra alone, (but Hajj and `Umra together). Then I saw the Muhajirin (Emigrants) and Ansar doing the same and it was not `Umra alone. And the last person I saw doing the same was Ibn `Umar, and he did not do another `Umra after finishing the first. Now here is Ibn `Umar present amongst the people! They neither ask him nor anyone of the previous ones. And all these people, on entering Mecca, would not start with anything unless they had performed Tawaf of the Ka`ba, and would not finish their Ihram. And no doubt, I saw my mother and my aunt, on entering Mecca doing nothing before performing Tawaf of the Ka`ba, and they would not finish their lhram. And my mother informed me that she, her sister, Az-Zubair and such and such persons had assumed lhram for `Umra and after passing their hands over the Corner (the Black Stone) (i.e. finishing their Umra) they finished their Ihram."

Sahih al-Bukhari 1641, 1642
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 124
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 705  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

enilove:



Am waiting for your reply.

Pending that time . Why does Islam claimed to be against idolaters but keeps the deeds and rituals of the idolaters ?

eg.

Hadith
Narrated Muhammad bin `Abdur-Rahman bin Nawfal Al-Qurashi:

I asked `Urwa bin Az-Zubair (regarding the Hajj of the Prophet (ﷺ) ). `Urwa replied, "Aisha narrated, 'When the Prophet (ﷺ) reached Mecca, the first thing he started with was the ablution, then he performed Tawaf of the Ka`ba and his intention was not `Umra alone (but Hajj and `Umra together).' " Later Abu Bakr I performed the Hajj and the first thing he started with was Tawaf of the Ka`ba and it was not `Umra alone (but Hajj and `Umra together). And then `Umar did the same. Then `Uthman performed the Hajj and the first thing he started with was Tawaf of the Ka`ba and it was not `Umra alone. And then Muawiya and `Abdullah bin `Umar did the same. I performed Hajj with Ibn Az-Zubair and the first thing he started with was Tawaf of the Ka`ba and it was not `Umra alone, (but Hajj and `Umra together). Then I saw the Muhajirin (Emigrants) and Ansar doing the same and it was not `Umra alone. And the last person I saw doing the same was Ibn `Umar, and he did not do another `Umra after finishing the first. Now here is Ibn `Umar present amongst the people! They neither ask him nor anyone of the previous ones. And all these people, on entering Mecca, would not start with anything unless they had performed Tawaf of the Ka`ba, and would not finish their Ihram. And no doubt, I saw my mother and my aunt, on entering Mecca doing nothing before performing Tawaf of the Ka`ba, and they would not finish their lhram. And my mother informed me that she, her sister, Az-Zubair and such and such persons had assumed lhram for `Umra and after passing their hands over the Corner (the Black Stone) (i.e. finishing their Umra) they finished their Ihram."

Sahih al-Bukhari 1641, 1642
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 124
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 705  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Allah SWT said:

وَإِذْ جَعَلْنَا الْبَيْتَ مَثَابَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَمْنًا وَاتَّخِذُوا مِنْ مَّقَامِ إِبْرٰهِـۧمَ مُصَلًّى  ۖ وَعَهِدْنَآ إِلٰىٓ إِبْرٰهِـۧمَ وَإِسْمٰعِيلَ أَنْ طَهِّرَا بَيْتِىَ لِلطَّآئِفِينَ وَالْعٰكِفِينَ وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ
"And when We appointed the House, the Ka‘ba, to be a place of visitation, to which they flock from every direction, for the people, and a sanctuary, of safety for them from the injustice and attacks that befall other places: a person could come across his father’s killer there, and yet not act violently against him; and: ‘Take (ittakhidhū is also read ittakhadhū, making it a predicate), O people, to yourselves Abraham’s station, the founding stone he used when building the House, for a place of prayer’, so that you perform two units of prayer for the circumambulation; And We made a covenant with Abraham and Ishmael, We commanded them: ‘Purify My House, of graven images, for those that shall go round it and those that cleave to it, in ritual residence, to those who bow and prostrate themselves’, that is, those who pray: (al-rukka‘ and al-sujūd are the plurals of rāki‘, ‘one bowing’, and sājid, ‘one prostrated’, respectively)."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 125)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com
Abraham and Ishmael were the ones who built the khaaba. The rituals performed there were Gods plan but the idolaters were the one who hijacked it and used it for there purpose yet keeping the ritual God intended himself at first.

When Muhammad reclaimed the khabah they only continued with the ritual Abraham and Ishmael started it.. So in short it was the idolaters who copied the ritual not the other way round..

And for more clarification
Allah SWT said:

"And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 48)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

enilove:


Why do you have to lie and for what purpose ?

Knowing the true God is what will determine where you will spend your eternity .

Why did you copy only a portion of the hadith above ?
Did you say decision about humans going to hell or Paradise is not part of what is written by the angel?

Let's see again :

Hadith
Narrated `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four items: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire."
Sahih al-Bukhari 3332
In-book : Book 60, Hadith 7
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 549  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

THESE REMAINING FACTS WERE CUT OFF BY YOU .
Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire."

CAN YOU READ SEE WHERE IT IS WRITTEN IN BRACKET by the angels ?

Now tell me , who is the devil above ?
The innocent person who wanted to go to heaven but directed to hell by power above him or Allah that programmed him for hell ?

Allah SWT said:


"And the record [of deeds] will be placed [open], and you will see the criminals fearful of that within it, and they will say, Oh, woe to us! What is this book that leaves nothing small or great except that it has enumerated it? And they will find what they did present [before them]. And your Lord does injustice to no one."
(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 49)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Check the bolded I repeat you misunderstood the hadith. Yes the angels write ones deeds and writing of deeds ends the day you die meaning what is written as deeds is what you have done not what was programmed. You have to do the deed before it is written.
And written of deeds starts from when one is in the mothers womb till he dies...
Allah does injustice to no one...

Allah SWT said:

"This is Our book, the register of [deeds recorded by] the guardian angels, which pronounces against you with truth. Indeed We used to write down, record and preserve, what you used to do’."
(QS. Al-Jaathiya 45: Verse 29)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Humans going to hell or paradise is not a programmed thing but as a result of choices an individual make when face with either adversities or blessings which are for trial...
The deed is done before been written down by angels and not the other way round..

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:


"And the record [of deeds] will be placed [open], and you will see the criminals fearful of that within it, and they will say, Oh, woe to us! What is this book that leaves nothing small or great except that it has enumerated it? And they will find what they did present [before them]. And your Lord does injustice to no one."
(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 49)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Check the bolded I repeat you misunderstood the hadith. Yes the angels write ones deeds and writing of deeds ends the day you die meaning what is written as deeds is what you have done not what was programmed. You have to do the deed before it is written.
And written of deeds starts from when one is in the mothers womb till he dies...
Allah does injustice to no one...

I pity you really because there is s spirit inside you that is pushing away from the truth .

The hadith stipulated plainly that even if that person has been doing good deeds of paradise , when it remains a little for him to enter Paradise , he will do the deeds of evil written by the angel and he will go to hell.

That you read and you can still make reference to .

You are playing card with the devil .
Why are you not bothered with the double standard religion ?

Muhammad said a baby may go to hell depending on what is written about him , yet you did not think on this .
Even if there are other hadiths or suras saying otherwise , shouldn't that bothered you ?

I was a Muslim like you b4 , but I know we are not serving the same God . But the god of Islam falsely claims he is our god .
Why such a lie ? To deceive people .

Muhammad did not receive any divine revelations . His revelations were to suit his evil agenda :

Allah SWT said:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, Keep your wife and fear Allah, while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 37)

Even unbelievers are ashamed to commit such atrocities , talk less of a prophet .

Moreso , he said so that so that you Muslims can marry your adopted son's wife :

We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."

Let me know why you think Islam is the way .

haekymbahd:
why did Jesus use the word angel here instead of holy spirit?

Mathew 24: 36“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, f but only the Father.

Since trinity is about Father, son, Holy Spirit (Angel)

Mathew 12

32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Spirit, the Holy One, will not be forgiven, either in this world and age or in the world and age to come.


Exodus 23:20-23

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. -
Remember, only the holy spirit will not forgive when angered. We can clearly see that the holy spirit is indeed an angel.

@enilove what do you think about this.

I wonder why the white garment call, Holy Gabriel, Holy Micheal, Holy Uriel while singing and praying

Have you heard of guardian angel before If yes what is their role?

enilove:


I pity you really because there is s spirit inside you that is pushing away from the truth .

The hadith stipulated plainly that even if that person has been doing good deeds of paradise , when it remains a little for him to enter Paradise , he will do the deeds of evil written by the angel and he will go to hell.

That you read and you can still make reference to .

You are playing card with the devil .
Why are you not bothered with the double standard religion ?

Muhammad said a baby may go to hell depending on what is written about him , yet you did not think on this .
Even if there are other hadiths or suras saying otherwise , shouldn't that bothered you ?

I was a Muslim like you b4 , but I know we are not serving the same God . But the god of Islam falsely claims he is our god .
Why such a lie ? To deceive people .

Muhammad did not receive any divine revelations . His revelations were to suit his evil agenda :

Allah SWT said:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, Keep your wife and fear Allah, while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 37)

Even unbelievers are ashamed to commit such atrocities , talk less of a prophet .

Moreso , he said so that so that you Muslims can marry your adopted son's wife :

We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."

Let me know why you think Islam is the way .

i have also been a Christian before too at a point and I know definitely we are not serving the same God...

haekymbahd:
@enilove what do you think about this.

I wonder why the white garment call, Holy Gabriel, Holy Micheal, Holy Uriel while singing and praying

Have you heard of guardian angel before If yes what is their role?

They are idol worshippers .
The holy Gabriel , holy Michael etc they call upon are demons .

We have seen it in the Bible that we should not bow down to them .
The only name to God is the name of Jesus Christ .

We pray in Jesus name for the Father to hear us and not in the name of angels.

They also have the photographs of fake Jesus , Orimolade or Oshofa , holy marry etc in their churches . This is idolatry also .

haekymbahd:
i have also been a Christian before too at a point and I know definitely we are not serving the same God...

Thank God you can identify that .

But why did the god of Islam claimed he is our god ?

Why did you leave Christianity for Islam ?