Samakus:
Truth be told, how can earned allowance that is the right of all staff in the university be cornered by a section of staff. Whether you are the one that attracted or not, everyone should get his due.

Ask yourself, if ASUU takes larger share of EA that every staff is entitled to, just because they made more noise about it, are they any different from the politicians they're fighting?

EAA is Earned ACADEMIC allowance
ASUU is academic staff union
NASU is non academic staff union

Hope its clear now

jmaine:


What stops SSANU from fighting for theirs? Must they always piggyback on ASUU struggles.. Moreover, what ASUU fought for was Earned Academic Allowance (EAA)...

The same SSANU that can't fight for her members minimum wage arrears are here acting all tough..

If you consider fighting for your rights as a sin, then it says a lot about the membership of SSANU, whose leaders are not accountable to their members.

Lolz. I was expecting your argument jmaine. How are you? It's been a while.

To the point...

You're also entitled to minimum wage arrears o. SSANU is fighting for minimum wage arrears while ASUU is also fighting for earned allowances. Both went on strike, and got promises from FG. Both, haven't received a dime yet. When FG fulfill the promises, both unions will benefit from both struggles. BOTH!

If earned allowances come, teaching and non teaching staff will both receive it. Same as minimum wage arrears.

We need to remove this friction seriously. It will only make friends to become foes and the students ultimately suffers

membranus:


Meaning what?

Pls educate Mr. Expert.

I am curious to learn.

I'm ready to help but the tone must be right. Correct the tone and I may oblige to educating you

bahaushe1:


I am surprised you view 'prove it' as corruption. How else do you want to get money that is suppose to be 'earned'?

No one gets earned allowance without proving it. We all have filled the forms.

Even among ASUU members not every person will get it. Many people will not get it. Some federal universities will not get anything because they did not exist as at 2016.

We also filled forms for EA. Tabulating where I have faced hazards in the course of my work, numerous shifts done, etc. And we both know that the employer of all staff in the university is the governing council. Allow the university governing council to determine who deserves what and how much. Do you still have to know what you are to be paid more than your employer?

bahaushe1:


It is either you did not read my post or you are deliberately twisting my points.

No where did I say or imply that non-teaching staff does 'nothing'. What I said is that their earned allowance claim will generally be low compared to that of academic staff because of job description of the parties.

If you deserve more than 20% then prove it; it is 'earned'.

You don't need to prove anything. Your employer knows what you have contributed to the system. Nobody is talking about pay parity. That's not the point. Fill your form and give to your employer while I do the same. Let our employers determine the veracity of our claims. You can't tell our employers how much I deserve to earn using the lens of your own KPI to look at mine. It doesn't work that way.

shadeyinka:

But the issue is that ASUU fought for this EA for academic staff and they made it clear in their negotiations with the FG. What if ASUU had failed, would SSANU have done. SSANU accepted to join IPPIS, left ASUU to slug it out for almost 8months of no salary....to me, it doesn't make sense. They should negotiate with their caring and responsible FG!

You still don't get it, do you?

There shouldn't be any negotiations. There's an agreement by the unions for earned allowances to be paid in intervals. There's an agreement!!

Let me ask you, if before end of this year you received minimum wage arrears, what will you say?

Let me even see if I'm arguing with an individual with a spirit of sincerity in him

Chibueze90:

So what is acceptable if I may ask you?

Whatever the university governing council decides as my employer. Not what a colleague of mine feel that I deserve. Like, what effrontery!

bigAG:


EAA is Earned ACADEMIC allowance
ASUU is academic staff union
NASU is non academic staff union

Hope its clear now

I can't be repeating myself. Do scroll up and see the education I have given on this. Peace!

bahaushe1:


I am an academic staff of a federal university. Both FGN/ASUU and FGN/SSANU 2009 agreements have EARNED ALLOWANCE components. That of ASUU is EARNED ACADEMIC ALLOWANCE while that of SSANU is EARNED ALLOWANCE. Find time and read the two agreements.

FGN is common to the two agreements and therefore government generally calls it EARNED ALLOWANCE.

The first payment was a 30bn released in 2013 after an ASUU strike. The second payment was a ?25bn released in 2017. The third payment was a 25bn released in 2019. All the three payments fought for by ASUU were shared with non-teaching staff. Between, the non-teaching staff got about 6 or 8bn which was shared by their members only.

The current payment is based on the forensic audit report of 2018 which includes ALL unions in the universities.

The report puts the total earned allowance claim for the period of 2009 - 2016 for ALL unions at 160bn. Out of this amount government has paid 80bn as at 2019. The remaining 80bn was spread into 4 instalmental payments of 20bn each to be paid on 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022.

The current 40bn is is made up of 2 instalmental payments for 2019 and 2020. Both tranches have claims of non-teaching staff incorporated.

The point of contention is not whether or not they have a share but whether is 20% that is traditionally allocated to them is FAIR. My take is that it is fair and if they feel otherwise they should interrogate the audit report and prove us wrong.

The big question you either missed or consciously ignored is... Who allocated the 20%? Did the sharing of the EA in 2019 go through the right channel of disbursement which is the university governing council?

I await you response

Samakus:


You still don't get it, do you?

There shouldn't be any negotiations. There's an agreement by the unions for earned allowances to be paid in intervals. There's an agreement!!

Let me ask you, if before end of this year you received minimum wage arrears, what will you say?

Let me even see if I'm arguing with an individual with a spirit of sincerity in him

EAA should on strict basis concern only Lecturers and Technologists in the University.
The EAA form consist of things like, number of students taught, project students at B.Sc, M.Sc and Ph.D, number of scripts per subject etc as what is used to compute the Earned Academic Allowance.

The issue is that for this particular strike, ASUU negotiated only for ASUU members and they made it clear to the minister. It was expected that the FG would take care of their responsibilities to the other arms of the Universities.

I honestly wish that ASUU, SSANU and NASU will always cooperate with respect to their dealings with the FG but alas, this doesn't happen. For example, SSANU and NASU shouldn't have accepted to be on IPPIS with ASUU: but because issues like sabbatical, postdoc, Adjunts, etc doesn't affect them. On this basis, ASUU negotiated ONLY for themselves.

The question is, suppose FG proscribed ASUU and forced them into the classroom with NOTHING, would the argument of not being paid EAA come up?


Now, to your question:
I will welcome any increase to my pay without asking any question. Even if FG pay me out of the EAA of ASUU, I wouldn't complain.
What of if the FG didn't pay me the EAA? My union didn't negotiate for it so what is my problem.

SSANU should remind the FG that they are part of the EAA and should not be forgotten. ASUU didn't fight on EAA for every union in the Universities, they fought only for ASUU and made it very clear. I wish SSANU had immediately spoken to the Minister of Labour that they should ALSO pay their own too.

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shadeyinka:

EAA should on strict basis concern only Lecturers and Technologists in the University.
The EAA form consist of things like, number of students taught, project students at B.Sc, M.Sc and Ph.D, number of scripts per subject etc as what is used to compute the Earned Academic Allowance.

The issue is that for this particular strike, ASUU negotiated only for ASUU members and they made it clear to the minister. It was expected that the FG would take care of their responsibilities to the other arms of the Universities.

I honestly wish that ASUU, SSANU and NASU will always cooperate with respect to their dealings with the FG but alas, this doesn't happen. For example, SSANU and NASU shouldn't have accepted to be on IPPIS with ASUU: but because issues like sabbatical, postdoc, Adjunts, etc doesn't affect them. On this basis, ASUU negotiated ONLY for themselves.

The question is, suppose FG proscribed ASUU and forced them into the classroom with NOTHING, would the argument of not being paid EAA come up?


Now, to your question:
I will welcome any increase to my pay without asking any question. Even if FG pay me out of the EAA of ASUU, I wouldn't complain.
What of if the FG didn't pay me the EAA? My union didn't negotiate for it so what is my problem.

SSANU should remind the FG that they are part of the EAA and should not be forgotten. ASUU didn't fight on EAA for every union in the Universities, they fought only for ASUU and made it very clear. I wish SSANU had immediately spoken to the Minister of Labour that they should ALSO pay their own too.

Well, I think we have over laboured this issue.

Bottom line is that all the unions in the universities will rightly partake in this 40B released. The percentage of sharing won't be 80-20 either. Take it to the bank!

It was nice having your thoughts. I appreciate your capacity. Have a beautiful evening

Samakus:


I'm ready to help but the tone must be right. Correct the tone and I may oblige to educating you

Bros you no nada.

You are just forming on NL.

Gerrout hea!!!

Samakus:


Well, I think we have over laboured this issue.

Bottom line is that all the unions in the universities will rightly partake in this 40B released. The percentage of sharing won't be 80-20 either. Take it to the bank!

It was nice having your thoughts. I appreciate your capacity. Have a beautiful evening

You too. I hope another strike won't start because of this o. It's the usual thing even in the Nigerian medical world. Doctors will finish negotiations, get some things from the FG only for the nurses, pharmacists and the likes to embark on their own fresh clamour.

It seems the FG is always short sighted when solving problems.

Of a truth, the FG has gained NOTHING from these negotiations as usual. Instead of coming to the table to look at what the nation can benefit from the Universities, they are only focused on REDUCING the amount demanded. A very poor strategy Indeed

shadeyinka:

You too. I hope another strike won't start because of this o. It's the usual thing even in the Nigerian medical world. Doctors will finish negotiations, get some things from the FG only for the nurses, pharmacists and the likes to embark on their own fresh clamour.

It seems the FG is always short sighted when solving problems.

Of a truth, the FG has gained NOTHING from these negotiations as usual. Instead of coming to the table to look at what the nation can benefit from the Universities, they are only focused on REDUCING the amount demanded. A very poor strategy Indeed

I quite agree. A holistic resolution of the niggling issues that preempt these agitations is more than ever before, needed

membranus:


Bros you no nada.

You are just forming on NL.

Gerrout hea!!!

. So enthusing

Samakus:


I quite agree. A holistic resolution of the niggling issues that preempt these agitations is more than ever before, needed

I agree with you Bro!

Have a beautiful night rest

Nice exchange of ideas and thoughts devoid of insults.

Samakus:


The big question you either missed or consciously ignored is... Who allocated the 20%? Did the sharing of the EA in 2019 go through the right channel of disbursement which is the university governing council?

I await you response

It is not practically possible to do so. Which governing councils could have shared the money when we have many universities involved?

2) The money belongs to union members not the university.

3) The allocation was made by a committee comprising of representatives of FMoE, NUC, and all the unions in the universities.

4) The 2018 forensic audit report indicted many universities in the management of the 30bn released in 2013. Some universities shared the money with even council members.

5) On the contrary, revitalization fund is always given to governing councils. I hope you get the difference.

Samakus:


You don't need to prove anything. Your employer knows what you have contributed to the system. Nobody is talking about pay parity. That's not the point. Fill your form and give to your employer while I do the same. Let our employers determine the veracity of our claims. You can't tell our employers how much I deserve to earn using the lens of your own KPI to look at mine. It doesn't work that way.

Good luck!

Samakus:


We also filled forms for EA. Tabulating where I have faced hazards in the course of my work, numerous shifts done, etc. And we both know that the employer of all staff in the university is the governing council. Allow the university governing council to determine who deserves what and how much. Do you still have to know what you are to be paid more than your employer?

Unfortunately the money is not coming from your 'employer'.

bahaushe1:


Unfortunately the money is not coming from your 'employer'.

OK. Shots fired

valentineuwakwe:


source: https://punchng.com/ssanu-warns-against-unjust-sharing-of-n40bn-earned-allowances/

SSANU and other unions in the university are like vultures/hyena who never get involved in the killing of the animal, but always lurking around to pounce on the spoils!

They should be ashamed of themselves!

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Which media? We just calculated our own EAA for the last three sessions last week. Do you even know what makes up the EAA?

Samakus:
Truth be told, how can earned allowance that is the right of all staff in the university be cornered by a section of staff. Whether you are the one that attracted or not, everyone should get his due.

Ask yourself, if ASUU takes larger share of EA that every staff is entitled to, just because they made more noise about it, are they any different from the politicians they're fighting?

Since when does EAA turn EA? A SSANU/NASU member spotted...