sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
You guys get so excited about what you post that you don't even sit back to go through them carefully to see if you make sense.
You have attempted to shift the focus of this thread and I haven't even finished with all that I want to post. The fact that NONE OF YOU has touched on anything regarding the focus of the thread means that you are trying HARD to run away from the real issues.
I have shown you how the verses used by JW to claim that Jesus is Archangel Michael have been twisted by the society. None of you here has proved me wrong. But you get up and excite yourselves about 'superior wisdom' or 'fruits' or the 'type of person' you are.
First, MaxinDHouse, who in another thread asked us to stick to 'only what we read in the Bible' suddenly shifted to pasting pictures of JW's 'works' and resort to 'PRACTICAL RESULTS'. Maybe he feels that the works of his organisation are better proofs than the rightly divided Scripture.
I asked him if we can trust a group that uses its DOGMA to REINTERPRET the Scripture. He couldn't answer but ran away from that question.
I showed your colleague, also in that thread, who was busy posting lexicon that those who translated the New World Translation did not use the same yardstick they used in translating John 1:1 in other portions that had THE SAME GREEK wordings. He didn't address that but equally ran away. And I said that if they can be wrong here, how can we be sure they are not wrong in other things.
So, when you guys pat yourselves on the back and claim victory of your 'wisdom' I just wonder what wisdom runs away from answering questions and addressing issues presented.
I have seen that jeering, ridicule, mockery is part of your 'wisdom'. BUT I have not seen that 'wisdom' answer any of my pointed questions directly.
I have shown here that Jehovah Witnesses are wrong in using the book of Daniel or even Jude to claim that Jesus is Archangel Michael. Till now NONE of you have proved me wrong. Why? Your 'wisdom' should have been able to take those portions and show how you are right and I am not. But I haven't seen it or should I say WE (including other readers of this thread) haven't seen it. WE ONLY SEE YOU DEFLECT THE ISSUE TO SOME OTHER THINGS.
Here's some wisdom:
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
John 6:29
"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, but few things are needed - or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."
Luke 10:39"

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
You guys get so excited about what you post that you don't even sit back to go through them carefully to see if you make sense.

You have attempted to shift the focus of this thread and I haven't even finished with all that I want to post. The fact that NONE OF YOU has touched on anything regarding the focus of the thread means that you are trying HARD to run away from the real issues.

I have shown you how the verses used by JW to claim that Jesus is Archangel Michael have been twisted by the society. None of you here has proved me wrong. But you get up and excite yourselves about 'superior wisdom' or 'fruits' or the 'type of person' you are.

First, MaxinDHouse, who in another thread asked us to stick to 'only what we read in the Bible' suddenly shifted to pasting pictures of JW's 'works' and resort to 'PRACTICAL RESULTS'. Maybe he feels that the works of his organisation are better proofs than the rightly divided Scripture.
I asked him if we can trust a group that uses its DOGMA to REINTERPRET the Scripture. He couldn't answer but ran away from that question.

I showed your colleague, also in that thread, who was busy posting lexicon that those who translated the New World Translation did not use the same yardstick they used in translating John 1:1 in other portions that had THE SAME GREEK wordings. He didn't address that but equally ran away. And I said that if they can be wrong here, how can we be sure they are not wrong in other things.

So, when you guys pat yourselves on the back and claim victory of your 'wisdom' I just wonder what wisdom runs away from answering questions and addressing issues presented.

I have seen that jeering, ridicule, mockery is part of your 'wisdom'. BUT I have not seen that 'wisdom' answer any of my pointed questions directly.

I have shown here that Jehovah Witnesses are wrong in using the book of Daniel or even Jude to claim that Jesus is Archangel Michael. Till now NONE of you have proved me wrong. Why? Your 'wisdom' should have been able to take those portions and show how you are right and I am not. But I haven't seen it or should I say WE (including other readers of this thread) haven't seen it. WE ONLY SEE YOU DEFLECT THE ISSUE TO SOME OTHER THINGS.

Here's some wisdom:
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
John 6:29

"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, but few things are needed - or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."
Luke 10:39"

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
I'm amazed that your in your 'wisdom' you do not know that works in themselves do not count. Obviously you missed the import of the last two Bible verses I gave you. Go back and carefully study them.

Here, see WORKS rejected:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:21‭-‬23

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
I'm amazed that your in your 'wisdom' you do not know that works in themselves do not count. Obviously you missed the import of the last two Bible verses I gave you. Go back and carefully study them.
Here, see WORKS rejected:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:21‭-‬23

DappaD:

I’m only interested in the words highlighted. Who are the ones currently DOING God’s will today? It is of utmost importance to find this out because only those people are going to inherit everlasting life. 1John 2:17
Unfortunately, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that miraculous gifts are functional in our day(1Corinthians 13:8.) so the rest of your post should actually be directed to the pastor in your church who is performing those miracles to mislead you and your church members. Matthew 24:24

MaxInDHouse:

I don't know what else he wants, there's on verse that says "Jesus is the Almighty God" and there's no verse that says "Jesus is Archangel Michael" so we are all Interpreting what we read based on our understanding of the word.
Therefore the only way to resolve this is to PRESENT the WORKS of the FAITH in Jesus (Archangel Michael) or that of Jesus (Almighty God)
But it seems like our friend doesn't want that all he wants is the same fruitless arguments on texts that he has been doing with all his brethren in TRINITY!

DappaD:

Was it not Jesus who said that people would notice the fine works of his disciples and give glory to God? Matthew 5:16
So it’s Jesus’ words against the words of the OP then.

DappaD:


Man I don’t even know you LOL so expecting me to bend to your will is already out of the question. Your Billy Graham was able to mislead many who loved lawlessness and wanted to believe lies(Matthew 7:21-23, 24:24), committed sexual immorality with the politicians of this world which already made him part of Babylon the Great(false religion) Revelation 17:5

I said your points were weak because:

1. You picked only one of the accusations laid against Jesus to make a point. OK the Jews also claimed Jesus had a demon(John 10:20) and that he was a rebel against Caesar(Luke 23:2) after he said they should pay taxes to Caesar(Matthew 22:21) so why should we believe them when they claimed that he was claiming to be God after he said he was the Son of God? John 10:34-36
Think!

2. Jehovah God does not share his glory as Almighty with anybody, not even his Son(Isaiah 42:8.), so misconstruing John 17:5 is already a big mistake on your part. Why? Because Jehovah said he would give glory and honour to the Israelites(Deuteronomy 26:19), does that mean the Israelites are now equal to Jehovah because of that?
Think!

DappaD:


The Jews said and did so many things that are against the Scriptures but unfortunately for you, it’s their false testimony you would rather favour over what Jesus actually said? Jesus said that he called himself God’s Son(John 10:34-36), the Jews said he was calling himself God by saying that. So who do we believe, Jesus or the Jews?

The angels in heaven are also called sons of God(Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6), Adam was called Son of God(Luke 3:38) so going by your logic, all the angels in heaven + Adam are also God since the Scriptures called them sons of God?


In fact, the same writer who under inspiration said NOBODY has seen God AT ANY TIME(John 1:18) so who were the Jews speaking with please?

As for the highlighted, I’m sorry but Acts 3:13 was written after Jesus had died and resurrected to heaven, so why was Peter still calling Jesus a Servant ?

Moreover, say we are to even agree with the highlighted, then your earlier claim on John 5:18 has been declared null and void since from what you’re saying there, Jesus was not a God on earth meaning that the Jews were wrong in their allegation.

So anyhow you want to look at it, you’re just shooting yourself in the foot.

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
Your Foundation
Your founder was said to have taken a man to court about a book the man had written about the society. When first asked in the court if he knew Greek, Mr. Russell initially said 'Yes'. When then asked to read out some Greek text in the court, he couldn't. He then finally agreed that he couldn't read Greek.
This was your foundation.
Again, on Archangel Michael
Archangel Michael is never called 'first born' in the Scripture.
Regarding Works
What you are actually doing is to add works to whatever you think Jesus did for salvation. But see what Romans 11:6 says - "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. You see, 'works' and 'grace' mean what they mean: You cannot mix them.
Other Issues
There is no letter 'J' in the Hebrew. When you guys therefore become so HUNG UP with being Jehovah's Witnesses one wonders why. Perhaps you should go more with Yahweh's Witnesses. NOT ONE TIME is Jehovah used IN THE GREEK of the New Testament. So, I wonder if your pal janosky will turn to his lexicon and help us out there. But of course you guys will still prefer your DOGMA-influenced New World Translation and will care less about the Greek. When you are boxed into a corner you then run to 'works of faith' or attack your opponent.

sagenaija:

MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
Your Foundation
Your founder was said to have taken a man to court about a book the man had written about the society. When first asked in the court if he knew Greek, Mr. Russell initially said 'Yes'. When then asked to read out some Greek text in the court, he couldn't. He then finally agreed that he couldn't read Greek.
This was your foundation.

Again, on Archangel Michael
Archangel Michael is never called 'first born' in the Scripture.

Regarding Works
What you are actually doing is to add works to whatever you think Jesus did for salvation. But see what Romans 11:6 says - "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. You see, 'works' and 'grace' mean what they mean: You cannot mix them.

Other Issues
There is no letter 'J' in the Hebrew. When you guys therefore become so HUNG UP with being Jehovah's Witnesses one wonders why. Perhaps you should go more with Yahweh's Witnesses. NOT ONE TIME is Jehovah used IN THE GREEK of the New Testament. So, I wonder if your pal janosky will turn to his lexicon and help us out there. But of course you guys will still prefer your DOGMA-influenced New World Translation and will care less about the Greek. When you are boxed into a corner you then run to 'works of faith' or attack your opponent.

sagenaija:
JW Apologists like MaxinDHouse, janosky and DappaD approach discussions by assuming what the other person thinks rather than focus on the points presented by the person.

sagenaija:

Interestingly even the Jews understood what the JW miss out:
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18 NIV

They knew what the Son of God meant. They knew that when Jesus called God his Father he was claiming EQUALITY WITH GOD.

The Jews lied.
@ John 19:6-7, they confirmed they were LYING @ John 5:18.
When sagenaija calls God his Father, does he mean equality with God?

@ John 10:34-36 & John 14:28, did Jesus refute the Jewish allegations of equality ?

sagenaija:

How many today miss this out is interesting. John's singular motive was to prove through his writing that Jesus is superior to anyone else, including angels. He started firing his salvo from John 1:1 by declaring ahead who Jesus is - divine.

Yes, Jesus is divine,a god @ John 1:1.
Let your dictionary help you with definition of divine
John 10:34-36, Jesus is a god/divine.
That is what John says @ John 1:1, JWs firmly believe that.

sagenaija:

Later on Jesus was going to say:
"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
John 17:5 NIV
He had a GLORY with the Father. No creature can claim this glory.

sagenaija:

I'll continue our discuss in the book of Hebrews in the next installment to continue to show the superiority of Jesus over ALL creation and systems.

sagenaija:
Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ
I intend to show in this thread that the Jehovah Witnesses (JW) claim that Archangel Michael is Jesus is not supported by Scripture. In doing so I will look at some of the passages they use in their claim and bring out their errors in the interpretation of those passages. I will also present scriptural passages which show the SUPERIORITY of Jesus Christ over ALL angels, no matter their ranking.

For those who want to give honest comments I ask that discussions stay within the topic of the thread and not veer off to other unrelated issues.

Daniel 10:13 & 21, Daniel 12:1 and Jude 9
JW adherents like to point to the above two as justification for their claim.

In the first place, none of those portions make explicit reference to Jesus. He has to be read into the texts which is what JW do.

In addition, Michael is not called the chief prince. He is referred to as [b]ONE OF the chief princes. In other words, Michael is ONE of a group of chief princes. If Jesus is Archangel Michael and "one of the chief princes", does that not mean that there are other angels with the same ranking as Jesus? That would be the rational conclusion since he is just ONE OF the chief princes. This would then puncture HOLES in the JW claim that Michael ranks above all other angels. [/b]

....

The name Jesus was never explicitly mentioned in the whole of Genesis.
Do Trinitarians claim he is among the Godhead of Genesis 1:26?
You wan shift goalpost bah?

Do you disagree he is the seed @ Genesis 3:15?

"One of" , "the one", Hebrew lexicon 259 haahat.
@ Genesis 10:25,Genesis 4:19 @ Daniel 10:13.
Meaning the first, the Head, the Senior.

Bros, stop reading Hebrew words with Hebrew meaning as if na English language. .

[b]Questions for Sagenaija

@ Daniel 10:13, 1 Thess 4:16, 2 Thess 1:7-9 , Matthew 25:31,is Jesus the Head of angels he leads to victory & glory?

Genesis 3:15 who is the seed ? Who is the serpent? Who was promised to defeat the serpent?
1 John 3:8, Revelation 12:7-9 who defeated the serpent as promised in Genesis 3:15?

sagenaija:



Ofcourse nothing in Jude links Archangel Michael's mention there with Jesus. And Jesus is CLEARLY the starting point of the book, the emphasis of the book and the closing. Did Jude lack the understanding of the JW and failed to point him out directly as the Archangel Michael he referenced in his writing? I don't think so. Jude knew that they were two different individuals.

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Janosky:

JWs don't assume what you think.
Whatever you think can NEVER change what your Bible says.

The Jews lied.
@ John 19:6-7, they confirmed they were LYING @ John 5:18.
When sagenaija calls God his Father, does he mean equality with God?

@ John 10:34-36 & John 14:28, did Jesus refute the Jewish allegations of equality ?
Emphatic yes !
John 14:28, According to Jesus, is Jesus equal to his God and Father?
Bros, put on your thinking cap & accept John 14:28 as Jesus talk am.

Yes, Jesus is divine,a god @ John 1:1.
Let your dictionary help you with definition of divine
John 10:34-36, Jesus is a god/divine.
That is what John says @ John 1:1, JWs firmly believe that.
Psalms 8:5,1 Corinthians 8:4-6 angels too are divine, each angel is a god in heaven.

John 17:22,24,
22 “I have given them the glory you gave me"
Jesus gave that glory to the disciples. Go & learn, please. Wear your goggles to see it clearly. Na Jesus Christ talk am.

Sagenaija quoted John 17:5.
Bros sagenaija, is John 17:7,22,24 missing from your Bible?

7 Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you...."
22 “I have given them the glory you gave me" 24 Father, I want these whom you have given me to be with me where I am. Then they can see all the glory you gave me because you loved me even before the world began!"
Verses 7,22,24,According to Jesus,who gave Jesus the glory?



@ Hebrews 1:9, his God Anointed his son over other peers of his son in heaven.

Janosky:

Jehovah rebuke you" says the angel of the Lord.
@ Jude 1:9,Archangel Michael quoted Zechariah 3:2.
Jesus the angel of the Lord @ Genesis 16:7 is the same angel of the Lord @ Zechariah 3:2 and Judges 6:11-22.
@ Jude 1:9 Archangel Michael repeated the same statement he spoke to Satan @ Zechariah 3:2.
@ Zech3:2 & Jude 1:9, Archangel Michael had a verbal dispute with Satan.
Zechariah 3:2 and Jude 1:9 the Lord rebuke you" is actually "JEHOVAH rebuke you"
Zechariah 3:2 is the original, Jude 1:9 is a copy.

sagenaija:


A Case of Mistaken Identity
Because the JW start from using their belief system to interpret Scripture rather than let the scriptures guide their understanding they end muddling things up and have to go into a lot of weird semantic gymnastics of statements of scriptures to attempt to prove their point.

The Archangel Michael is simply what the Bible says that he is - an angel of the highest rank.

On the other hand, Jesus is clearly shown as being superior to any angel, no matter the rank.

Jesus's Superiority Over Angels
Hebrews 1 starts off with the statement that Jesus is "MUCH SUPERIOR to angels"
"So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs."
Hebrews 1:4 NIV
We see here that Jesus is superior, in quality and position, to the angels.

CLEARLY the book of Hebrews emphasizes the superiority of Jesus over ALL angels. When we are told in Hebrews 1:5 "For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
that rhetoric question makes us come to only one conclusion: God never said that to ANY angel.

Archangel Michael is what he is said to be - an angel, whilst Jesus' position is said to be superior to that of any angel.

Jesus's Demonstration of Authority Over Satan versus Michael's
Jesus in his humanity - Jesus as a man - showed authority over Satan which Michael as an archangel could not do when contending with Satan over the body of Moses in Jude 9.

Sagenaija is making a FALSE claim.
Jesus is Archangel Michael doctrine is NOT exclusive to JWs.
Sagenaija, who taught your Trinitarian Bible scholars to believe that Michael Archangel Jesus?
Does Sagenaija understands Greek & Hebrew Bible lexicon more than his Trinitarian devotees who believe Jesus is Archangel Michael?

sagenaija:


Jesus Accepted Worship
Jesus received worship from both men and angels. No man or angel is to be worshipped. No true angel (as opposed to demons) accepts worship - Rev. 19:10; Rev. 22:8&9.

To be continued........

freshboi88:


John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing,because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Hold on Mr Jehovah Witness. Notice @ bold.


So what you are telling us here now is Angel Micheal can do whatever Jehovah does. Omo see idolatry and heresy mixed togeda from these filthy pathetic filthy child of satan

Shame on you, fresh WAILER
John 5:19, your deity says himself the son, he "can do only what he sees his Father doing",

Your deity is obedient Son like his Father's angels , Bros repent !

sagenaija:
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How is my earlier claim on John 5:18 declared null and void?
If you don't understand a phrase or statement an opponent has made the right thing to do is ask for clarification.
Revelation was written after Jesus had RESURRECTED. Why was he still called a LAMB?

John 19:7
We have a law,” answered the Jews, “and according to that law He must die, because He declared Himself to be the Son of God.”
The Jews declared your FALSE claim & their own claim null and void

DappaD:


My point exactly! Jesus really became the Lamb of God when he was resurrected and offered the value of his sacrificial death to God in heaven(Hebrews 9:14, 24-26) in order for our sins to be forgiven(1John 1:7) and for us to have the prospect of living forever. John 3:16
So the title “Lamb” belonged to Jesus before his death(John 1:29) and after his resurrection to heaven. Revelation 5:6

This buttresses my point so well that’s why Jesus is still being called Servant even after his resurrection because that is something that will not also change! Matthew 12:18 see also Acts 3:13

You see what happens when you want to enter into argument with superior wisdom. Mr sagenaija, please please please there are still so many other questions I asked you so please attend to them quickly.

DappaD:


My point exactly! Jesus really became the Lamb of God when he was resurrected and offered the value of his sacrificial death to God in heaven(Hebrews 9:14, 24-26) in order for our sins to be forgiven(1John 1:7) and for us to have the prospect of living forever. John 3:16
So the title “Lamb” belonged to Jesus before his death(John 1:29) and after his resurrection to heaven. Revelation 5:6

This buttresses my point so well that’s why Jesus is still being called Servant even after his resurrection because that is something that will not also change! Matthew 12:18 see also Acts 3:13

You see what happens when you want to enter into argument with superior wisdom. Mr sagenaija, please please please there are still so many other questions I asked you so please attend to them quickly.

Janosky:

Shame on you, fresh WAILER
John 5:19, your deity says himself the son, he "can do only what he sees his Father doing",

Your deity is obedient Son like his Father's angels , Bros repent !

freshboi88:


Hahahaha........u think u are wise.

Does John 5:19 end there. Why did u remove the last sentence. Lemme quote it again and add verse 21 to it to bury u.

John 5: 19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

The Son can do whatever the Father does....why are u running away from this part.

Why can the Son do whatever the Father does?

What are the things the Father does that only God can do that the Son also does in like manner. Verse 21 of the same chapter states it. I'll quote

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

Janosky blabbermouth filthy lying pathetic son of the devil. Why is Jesus an Angel able to do everything the Father does even has the ability to give life to whomever it pleases Jesus to give it ?

Ehn ehn according to JW angel a creature has the ability to give life

Your mother is a Creature, did she give life to you?
Ask your parents, the human angels you first knew.
Angels give life by saving life, Ask Lot & his daughters.
Ask Daniel in the lion's den.
Ask the 3 Hebrews in the burning furnace.

Your quote of John 5:19-21 proven you, Fresh WAILER lacks SENSE.
Trinity robbed you full time

sagenaija:
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1. The ramifications of the temptation of Jesus is wide and not what I want to go into now in this thread.
My main point again is this:
John 5:18 IS NOT a statement of the Jews. It is what the writer, under INSPIRATION has given us. So, the issue is do you believe that it was because they understood him to be making himself equal with God that they wanted to kill him?

2. Jesus had a glory before his death and resurrection. Not just after his death and resurrection. That is what he talked about in John 17:5. Jesus said "the glory WHICH I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS". In his humanity, because he voluntarily restricted the independent use of his deity in order to fulfill the plan of salvation it was fitting for him to be called Servant. Even in the book of Revelation he is referred to as the Lamb. But we know that he is in an exalted position and state.
Did John 17:5 say that Jesus had a glory before the world was?

#1.
John 19:7 & John 5:18, does Jesus calling himself Son of God equate with calling God his Father?

Does Jesus calling God his Father equates to equality with God?

Under inspiration @ John 14:28 & John 5:18, would John contradict himself?
Bros, use your brain

sagenaija:
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Result is relative. I'll leave it at that.

I have shown above that Archangel Michael is just [b]ONE of the chief princes of the angels. He is not said there to be the chief prince. JW missed the point there.
[/b]
I have also shown that there is no direct linking of Michael with Jesus either in the book of Daniel or Jude.

I have equally presented evidence that the book of Hebrews showcases the superiority of Jesus over angels - no matter their class or ranking.

In his humanity, Jesus demonstrated authority over Satan and demons. This is something Michael couldn't do with the dispute over the body of Moses.

Jesus accepted worship from both men and angels. No other true angel accepts worship .

These are not human deductions. These are what we see clearly in Scripture. Why are you guys not facing the Scripture? Why are you holding on to what you assume someone thinks or the position he holds?

Hebrew Lexicon 259 haa.hat "one of"/the one" @ Daniel 10:13, Genesis 4:19, Genesis 10:25.
Meaning "the first, the Head, the Senior.
Geneva Bible, Daniel 10:13/ 12:1.
Bros, go and read up your Trinitarian devotees commentaries on Joshua 5:14.
You might receive SENSE

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,
You guys get so excited about what you post that you don't even sit back to go through them carefully to see if you make sense.

You have attempted to shift the focus of this thread and I haven't even finished with all that I want to post. The fact that NONE OF YOU has touched on anything regarding the focus of the thread means that you are trying HARD to run away from the real issues.

I have shown you how the verses used by JW to claim that Jesus is Archangel Michael have been twisted by the society. None of you here has proved me wrong. But you get up and excite yourselves about 'superior wisdom' or 'fruits' or the 'type of person' you are.

First, MaxinDHouse, who in another thread asked us to stick to 'only what we read in the Bible' suddenly shifted to pasting pictures of JW's 'works' and resort to 'PRACTICAL RESULTS'. Maybe he feels that the works of his organisation are better proofs than the rightly divided Scripture.
I asked him if we can trust a group that uses its DOGMA to REINTERPRET the Scripture. He couldn't answer but ran away from that question.

I showed your colleague, also in that thread, who was busy posting lexicon that those who translated the New World Translation did not use the same yardstick they used in translating John 1:1 in other portions that had [b]THE SAME GREEK wordings. He didn't address that but equally ran away. [/b]And I said that if they can be wrong here, how can we be sure they are not wrong in other things.

So, when you guys pat yourselves on the back and claim victory of your 'wisdom' I just wonder what wisdom runs away from answering questions and addressing issues presented.

I have seen that jeering, ridicule, mockery is part of your 'wisdom'. BUT I have not seen that 'wisdom' answer any of my pointed questions directly.

I have shown here that Jehovah Witnesses are wrong in using the book of Daniel or even Jude to claim that Jesus is Archangel Michael. [b]Till now NONE of you have proved me wrong. [/b]Why? Your 'wisdom' should have been able to take those portions and show how you are right and I am not. But I haven't seen it or should I say WE (including other readers of this thread) haven't seen it. WE ONLY SEE YOU DEFLECT THE ISSUE TO SOME OTHER THINGS.

Here's some wisdom:
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
John 6:29

"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, but few things are needed - or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."
Luke 10:39"

You refered to John 1:18 to back your claim when you already knew there are two versions of John 1:18. "Only begotten son/god.
John 1;18, your begotten Theos was at his Father's side.
The setting of John 1:18 is heaven, Who is the Father of your begotten Theos?

You know every angel is begotten by the Most High.
Hosea 12:3-4, angel is God.
Going by your logic @ John 1:18, do you agree that @ Hosea 12:3-4,angel is God and begotten?

Nobody ran away but you can't face the truth.

Janosky:


Your mother is a Creature, did she give life to you?
Ask your parents, the human angels you first knew.
Angels give life by saving life, Ask Lot & his daughters.
Ask Daniel in the lion's den.
Ask the 3 Hebrews in the burning furnace.

Your quote of John 5:19-21 proven you, Fresh WAILER lacks SENSE.
Trinity robbed you full time

sagenaija:
MaxinDHouse, DappaD,


Here's some wisdom:
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
John 6:29

"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, but few things are needed - or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."
Luke 10:39"

Jesus answered, "The work of (ho Theos) the God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
John 6:29"

John 1:1, John 14:1, John 4:24 , John 6:29, JEHOVAH the God is ho Theos.
Proven fact.
Trinity is man made GIBBERISH