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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by sylve11: 2:30pm On Aug 24, 2021
BKayy:

The Buyer Anna Pepple is also Igbo.
My dear, your 51 year old lie have come to an end.
Both the one of Ubani and Kalabari


grin cool

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by fashrola(m): 2:31pm On Aug 24, 2021
DoggoneDogg:
Jaja was an Igbo man who ruled Opobo & Bonny (modern day PH & Bayelsa).

I believe this settles those foolish Afonjas saying Igbos want to steal ND. Niger Delta belongs to Igbos just like Lagos!

You don type finish? Oya clap for yourself lol

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by mrksquare: 2:32pm On Aug 24, 2021
BKayy:

The Buyer Anna Pepple is also Igbo.
My dear, your 51 year old lie have come to an end.
Both the one of Ubani and Kalabari


I can understand. you're using this piece of distorted shit culled from a book by the emperialist to console yourself.

How come the Ibani are refusing to acknowledge their ancestry to the Igbo? And why is every group that has been pinned as being of Igbo ancestry denying ever having an affiliation with the Igbo?

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by BKayy: 2:33pm On Aug 24, 2021
sylve11:



grin cool
For real. Their lies have come to an End.
Ijaw people claiming George Oruigbiji who got the name "Pepple" as a result of his trade in Pepper in England.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by BKayy: 2:35pm On Aug 24, 2021
mrksquare:



I can understand. you're using this piece of distorted shit culled from a book by the emperialist to console yourself.

How come the Ibani are refusing to acknowledge their ancestry to the Igbo? And why is every group that has been pinned as being of Igbo ancestry denying ever having an affiliation with the Igbo?
You want receipt abi?
OK, please Mr Ofoigbo help us with a invoice. Give this Ashanti man the list of Eastern region rep and their towns with ethnicity attached to it.
The one containing our Ubani brother.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by musicwriter(m): 2:36pm On Aug 24, 2021
owagbeba:


Brother, you made a lot sense in this reply. I am aware the Brits always try to pull the strings in their former colonies either through groomed influencers or media narrative (BBC comes to mind)

But then I have looked at this dude’s background: Desmond Elliot -a Law maker in Lagos, young man, not in the age bracket of those born with colonial mentality. We all think with these youths in power, governance would change. We are wrong!

A few of his accomplishments has been that infamous toilet he built and nothing more!

Probably, we may never find good governance in this free-for-all democracy we practice.

As long as we operate with THEIR language, education, religion, we'll forever remain under their influence even if Britain migrate to the moon. Desmond Elliot (an English name and probably a better colonialist) or you or me isn't an exception. But, of course, some are always going to be better than others.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by BiafraInc: 2:43pm On Aug 24, 2021
mrksquare:



I can understand. you're using this piece of distorted shit culled from a book by the emperialist to console yourself.

How come the Ibani are refusing to acknowledge their ancestry to the Igbo? And why is every group that has been pinned as being of Igbo ancestry denying ever having an affiliation with the Igbo?
Mumu, don't fake ignorance of the effect of the civil war in which your people assisted nigeria in fighting against Igbos and taking over our properties. Our people are coming out albeit slowly to face reality and retake their natural identity. If Opobo and Ubani/Bonny are Ijaw, then go and remove the lingua franca of those lands which is proper Igbo language. Some of you are dumb and daft it beggars belief. How can Igbo language become a language of supposedly Ijaw people? Is that not madness on the part of you land grabbers?

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Eastlink(m): 2:44pm On Aug 24, 2021
BKayy:

Ijaw people have deceived the entire Nigerians for decades. How did they manage to make over 100m people believe that Anna Pepple was Ijaw.
Chai, ignorance is a disease
They successfully achieved that decades of lies because the Igbos after the war became afraid to challenge the revisions due to fear of not to being seen in the bad books of the northern led federal government. Remember the Igbos just came out of the civil war and had to remain civil in order to be accepted fully.

However, we owe it to our generation to keep using facts and historical evidence to burst these lies of Ijo ownership of Bonny and Opobo. Igbos founded and owned these communities. However, the coming of the Ijo migrants who were first brought in by the Portuguese and later Dutch sailors change a lot. Bonny, Opobo, Kalabari and Okrika which were Igbo lands embraced Ijo culture. While the language of Kalabari changed to Ijo, Okrika was altered to a great degree. But Bonny and Opobo with roots from Ndoki kept her language and origin, and embraced Ijo culture which was the dominant culture in the Niger-Delta creeks as at then.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by nengibo: 2:46pm On Aug 24, 2021
jimyjames:

A slave became a master and his masters became his subjects yes or no?
Is citizenship by acculturation foreign to people who practice Osu culture

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by mrksquare: 2:50pm On Aug 24, 2021
BiafraInc:

Mumu, don't fake ignorance of the effect of the civil war in which your people assisted nigeria in fighting against Igbos and taking over our properties. Our people are coming out albeit slowly to face reality and retake their natural identity. If Opobo and Ubani/Bonny are Ijaw, then go and remove the lingua franca of those lands which is proper Igbo language. Some of you are dumb and daft it beggars belief. How can Igbo language become a language of supposedly Ijaw people? Is that not madness on the part of you land grabbers?

Always quick to resort to insult. The imprimatuer of weakness in argument.

Well, I shouldn't dignify your type with a response that can't have a decent conversation

Have a nice day.

https://m.facebook.com/notes/lets-speak-ibani/a-short-history-of-the-ibani-language/236835676403097/?_rdc=1&_rdr

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by jimyjames(m): 2:53pm On Aug 24, 2021
nengibo:

Is citizenship by acculturation foreign to people who practice Osu culture
Answer the question, an igbo slave became a master and his masters became his subjects, yes or no?
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Eastlink(m): 2:56pm On Aug 24, 2021
mrksquare:


Always quick to resort to insult. The imprimatuer of weakness in argument.

Well, I shouldn't dignify your type with a response that can't have a decent conversation

Have a nice day.

https://m.facebook.com/notes/lets-speak-ibani/a-short-history-of-the-ibani-language/236835676403097/?_rdc=1&_rdr
You mean Finima-Ibani which was adopted as the language of Bonny Island, instead of the aboriginal Ndoki spoken by the people of Grand Bonny.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Nobody: 2:58pm On Aug 24, 2021
Liebermantic:

I have watched the video..HE IS just playing politics to remain politically relevant in the Hausa-Fulani led government of Nigeria..
Do you know Many Igbo people influenced Bonny and Opobo from not joining Bayelsa in Ijaw state?
According to written History,the King's and People of Bonny and Opobo are all Igbos.. Everything changed after the War..You can't rewrite History.. Truth must prevail..An Ndoki man understands Opobo and Bonny man but an Ijaw man would hardly understand..The Ibani Kalabari Language is not the Language spoken in Bonny Island.. Bonny and Opobo are ancestrally Igbo..Is there any History more illuminating than this?
Some of you guys are just so crazy grin

Even after hearing from the king of opobo, see the trash you dey write grin

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by nengibo: 3:04pm On Aug 24, 2021
jimyjames:

Answer the question, an igbo slave became a master and his masters became his subjects, yes or no?
No, oya answer my own question
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by nengibo: 3:05pm On Aug 24, 2021
DubaiLandLord:
Some of you guys are just so crazy grin

Even after hearing from the king of opobo, see the trash you dey write grin
As in they're even worse than thr Hausa Fulani when it comes to reasoning

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by winterfell007(m): 3:07pm On Aug 24, 2021
obynzo:


That is a very stupid statement from you. 5states that was politically created to whittle down the influence of Ibos politically is what you are saying ibos are claiming everybody. A british historian studied the igbo tribe and designated them as the largest tribe in the oil rivers protectorate which starts from Agbor and Ends in Akassa and Brass in Bayelsa state. The subdivisions are the Western Igbo(Agbor, Ogwashi Ukwu, Ibusa or Ibuzor and Asaba) Central or Onitsha division(Onitsha down to Arochukwu encompassing Abakaliki, Ebonyi) and the Coastal ibos( Ndoki, Ikwerre, Asa, Opobo and the Diobu)

Are you minding the idiot! Look at how they sheepishly follow a political demarcation of states made by the northern military men. No wonder the north were able to reduce their community allocation from 5% they previously enjoyed down to 2% in the revised PIB law. After they'll start pouring all their hate on Igbo, while the real people they should vent their angers to, they are busy leaking their ass

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by nengibo: 3:07pm On Aug 24, 2021
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by jimyjames(m): 3:07pm On Aug 24, 2021
nengibo:

No, oya answer my own question
But that's exactly what happened a slave became a master and his masters became his subjects
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by 300wayne: 3:08pm On Aug 24, 2021
SportsHD:

Modified- screw the white power.
Just like how america and Britain abandoned Afghanistan after they've justified spending "war budget" and obviously, made x10 profits from their initial "investment" in afghan
!
Can you please expatiate on the emboldened
I only read somewhere on how military contractors benefited from the war but would like to know how the American economy benefited from it

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Daarreenn: 3:09pm On Aug 24, 2021
FakeUnity:
The british are a very sleazy bunch.

The USA should have allowed Hitler and Axis forces to invade them and give them a taste of their own bitter medicine.


if Hitler wanted to take England he would have done it within 5 days. He just wasn't interested in the frozen wasteland. He just wanted to teach them small lesson by sending a few Luftwaffe jets to burn their city while 99% of the army were wining in Paris
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by nengibo: 3:10pm On Aug 24, 2021
jimyjames:

But that's exactly what happened a slave became a master and his masters became his subjects
Coming from a people who answer names like Nwa OSU, and still discriminate their Osu brothers I'm not surprised by your Slave-Master reasoning

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by IDENNAA(m): 3:10pm On Aug 24, 2021
mrksquare:



I can understand. you're using this piece of distorted shit culled from a book by the emperialist to console yourself.

How come the Ibani are refusing to acknowledge their ancestry to the Igbo? And why is every group that has been pinned as being of Igbo ancestry denying ever having an affiliation with the Igbo?


You called it distorted because it didn't favor you and your land grabbing motives. However , these European had no reason to distort any facts because they were anthropologists sent by the British empire to study the tribes of lower Niger.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by SlayerForever: 3:12pm On Aug 24, 2021
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mrksquare:



He doesn't own Bonny. On the contrary he was a dedicated slave to the king of Bonny who later rose to prominence.

Secondly, he wasn't the only one that left Bonny to form present day Opobo. He was only lucky to have been made the first king. Today, his lineage through the supreme court have commandered the kingship to themselves which ought not to be so.
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Shut up thief.
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by nengibo: 3:14pm On Aug 24, 2021
winterfell007:


Are you minding the idiot! Look at how they sheepishly follow a political demarcation of states made by the northern military men. No wonder the north were able to reduce their community allocation from 5% they previously enjoyed down to 2% in the revised PIB law. After they'll start pouring all their hate on Igbo, while the real people they should vent their angers to, they are busy leaking their ass
PIB is a different discussion, and I though igbos have oil bearing communities in Imo and Abia States, the South west also has in Ondo(Ijaw and Ilaje Yoruba areas) so how is it a Niger delta thing?
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by SlayerForever: 3:14pm On Aug 24, 2021
lomprico:


true but the ijaws there dont know how to speak their language, they speak igbo instead.

That's because they are not Ijaw.

Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by IDENNAA(m): 3:15pm On Aug 24, 2021
nengibo:

Is citizenship by acculturation foreign to people who practice Osu culture

Cc.nengibo

I want to ask you a simple question. Do you actually believe that the majority of the populace inhabiting Opobo and Bonny are Ijaw ? And if your answer is yes ,then why aren't they Ijaw speakers ? Another question ; does your Ijaw people have a central dialect lie the Igbo and Yoruba ?

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by SlayerForever: 3:17pm On Aug 24, 2021
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Ychick:
Please if you don’t understand the culture of the Ijaw city states of the eastern delta. It is important you ask.
Under the acculturation system of the ijaw city states of the eastern delta. There are 2 ways to become a citizen.
1. By birth
2. By adoption where a head money is paid. (siwi igbi). The literal meaning of Jaja’s full name Jugbo Jugbo fem is somebody bought somebody else. So of course he is of Igbo descent and he was bought by Anna people and became his child by adoption. In ijaw society nobody is a slave, he was raised as a child with full rights of the Anna people house that allows him to even replace his father as chief.

Now on the issue of Amachree, I am a direct descendant of Amachree (8th great great grand father), and King Abbi (5th great grand father) any of my brothers can become Amayanabo of Kalabari (New Calabar) if they contest and win. Amachree’s mother was a Kalabari woman from the original Kalagbea ward. But his father was a freshwater Ijaw man from the central delta. He is not of Igbo origin, although he bought a lot of ibo people from the interior to expand the Kalabari population, and reinforced the idea that all Kalabari people are his people. There is a saying that King Amachree o e da fe a or inyingi fem- meaning if he did not buy your father, he bought your mother. Now on Bonny, they migrated from the central delta- fresh water ijaw land, and stayed for a while in ndokki, where the group split into 2, and some went to Bonny which the new indigenes called Okoloba. In Bonny, with the rise of the palm oil trade and the large number of slaves from the ibo interior. Bonny made a different decision than the kalabari’s by making ibani ijaw a secret language for the elites, so that their numerous slaves will not overthrow them. So ibo became the trade language. This decision means that someone like Jaja who was the foster child of a big chief spoke fluent ibani because he was an elite, and I have read diaries of the British consul trying to settle the fight between opobo and bonny chiefs, with Kalabari and Okrika chiefs as mediators for both groups. All the chiefs from the 4 kingdoms were speaking ijaw because the eastern jaw dialect of kalabari, Okrika, bonny and opobo are mutually intelligible. Now, in new calabar all new adoptees, we don't call them slaves, had to learn the kalabari language, and in fact your ability to speak kalabari determined how fast you could integrate into your new society, that is why in kalabari land. Ibo never gained a foothold like in bonny and the subsequent state of opobo did. So of course we too had lots of people from the ibo interior acculturated into our societies. But, you are an ijaw person, not a slave and you are accorded full rights of a full citizen. So the whole calling Jaja a slave is a joke gone too far. He was the pampered and privileged child of a wealthy chief.
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Lies.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by IDENNAA(m): 3:19pm On Aug 24, 2021
nengibo:

Coming from a people who answer names like Nwa OSU, and still discriminate their Osu brothers I'm not surprised by your Slave-Master reasoning

The name Nwosu and Osu caste system are completely unrelated. I come from a town in Anambra that practiced osu....in fact , the forest that contains the shrine belong to my kindred. The practice has since been abolished and the land was given to them as reparations. So , stick to what you know, ok.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by jimyjames(m): 3:20pm On Aug 24, 2021
nengibo:

Coming from a people who answer names like Nwa OSU, and still discriminate their Osu brothers I'm not surprised by your Slave-Master reasoning
Have you ever heard that an OSU became a king over Freeborns in igbo land?
Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by SlayerForever: 3:20pm On Aug 24, 2021
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tj2018:


First, Opobo was derived from Opubo (Jaja's Master who was the perekule and Natural ruler of Ibani (Bonny)
Hence Opubo-Ama was called Opobo by the europeans.

In Ibani Kingdoms we have a culture that allows even free slaves to grow unlike the igbo culture where they practice Osu.
Opobo was formed by the supporters of Anna Pepple group of house and their allies after the lot the bonny civil war to the rival manilla pepple group.

They moved eastward and established Opubo which was named after their master in bonny.

Jaja is now used as a group name. It is just one section of the 14 sections in Opobo. others are Cookey, kalamuso, fubara, ogbulu,Kieprima, tolofari, Dappa, Biriye, iruoanya etc. The truth is that there is a signicant number of igbo settlers in Opobo, even the ibibios and ogonis are not left out.
But every other person have been encultured in iguana, the ibani deity. The also become ijaws by enculturation. Yes, in most writeups Jaja is often recognized as the owner of the town but in reality he was just a leader of the break away group from bonny.
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Lies.

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by Liebermantic: 3:23pm On Aug 24, 2021
DubaiLandLord:
Some of you guys are just so crazy grin

Even after hearing from the king of opobo, see the trash you dey write grin
That's the effect of a war loss by the Igbos..If IGBO had won the war, would that King say he was related to Ijaw when the ancient unbiased History points to Igbo descent?
I want Nigeria to divide along Ethnic lines so Ijaw and Igbo will settle the ownership issue of Bonny and Opobo either ICC or through violence

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Re: The House King Jaja Of Opobo Lived In Exile In The 1880's In ST Vincent by SlayerForever: 3:25pm On Aug 24, 2021
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nengibo:

Jubojubo is Ibani unless you mean Ndoki speak Ibani, Pepple is the anglicized form of Perekule
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Lies lies lies.

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