I think the question is straight forward enough.. I mean if you could indeed see the future, would you still go ahead to create humans knowing they'll have to experience such untold suffering?
And pls don't bother if you want to come and start telling me of 'freewill' this and that.. Because freewill or no freewill, if you KNOW the FUTURE and KNOW FOR SURE that Satan, Adam, Eve and the rest will misuse their 'freewill', and thus lead to this kind of suffering, then there'll be no need to create them to start with.

What do you think? Or am I missing something?

Pls try to reason with your brain..no religious sentiments pls.
Thanks

So you're trying to say that since God is all-knowing then everything is has been premeditated abi? Oga, are you a fatalist ...?

Owain:
I think the question is straight forward enough.. I mean if you could indeed see the future, would you still go ahead to create humans knowing they'll have to experience such untold suffering?
And pls don't bother if you want to come and start telling me of 'freewill' this and that.. Because freewill or no freewill, if you KNOW the FUTURE and KNOW FOR SURE that Satan, Adam, Eve and the rest will misuse their 'freewill', and thus lead to this kind of suffering, then there'll be no need to create them to start with.

What do you think? Or am I missing something?

Pls try to reason with your brain..no religious sentiments pls.
Thanks

You are missing everything.

First, the mere fact that I can see that my car would get damaged by my "children" would never had stopped me from making it.

Secondly, i can also foresee that my children will not destroy my cars, but that either would not make me create it.

Thirdly, I can foresee that my Tesla can enjoy happily ever after or stupidly bring suffering on itself.

As A Creator I see many things and I will do what I choose to do.

BUT WOE AND SUFFERING SHALL ATTACH TO ANY STUPID CREATION WHICH DOES NOT OBEY THE WORDS OF MOUTH.

Na im Fault be dat!

What do you think?

That you don't know that God is Past, Present and Future. That's ALPHA AND OMEGA. THE BEGINNING AND THE END AND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN BETWEEN. GOD IS THE FORTUNES AND THE MISERIES THERE IN.

Or am I missing something?

YOU HAVE STARTED THINKING LIKE AN ATHEIST, A SHORT TIMEIST, MYOPIC AND AN IDIOT.

Pls try to reason with your brain..no religious sentiments pls.
Thanks

YOU WILL REASON BETTER IF YOU READ THE BOOKS OF JOB VERY WELL AND THOSE OF HEBREWS.

REMEMBER LIFE IS:-
FEELINGS & ACTIONS
THINKING & INTERACTIONS
REASONING AND MOVING.

DON'T BE AN ATHEIST. HAPPY SUNDAY!

orisa37:
What do you think?

That you don't know that God is Past, Present and Future. That's ALPHA AND OMEGA. THE BEGINNING AND THE END AND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN BETWEEN. GOD IS THE FORTUNES AND THE MISERIES THERE IN.

Or am I missing something?

YOU HAVE STARTED THINKING LIKE AN ATHEIST, A SHORT TIMEIST, MYOPIC AND AN IDIOT.

Pls try to reason with your brain..no religious sentiments pls.
Thanks

YOU WILL REASON BETTER IF YOU READ THE BOOKS OF JOB VERY WELL AND THOSE OF HEBREWS.

REMEMBER LIFE IS:-
FEELINGS & ACTIONS
THINKING & INTERACTIONS
REASONING AND MOVING.

DON'T BE AN ATHEIST. HAPPY SUNDAY!

You've not said anything meaningful sir. Atheist or not, its immaterial. Answer the question

Dtruthspeaker:


You are missing everything.

First, the mere fact that I can see that my car would get damaged by my "children" would never had stopped me from making it.

Secondly, i can also foresee that my children will not destroy my cars, but that either would not make me create it.

Thirdly, I can foresee that my Tesla can enjoy happily ever after or stupidly bring suffering on itself.

As A Creator I see many things and I will do what I choose to do.

BUT WOE AND SUFFERING SHALL ATTACH TO ANY STUPID CREATION WHICH DOES NOT OBEY THE WORDS OF MOUTH.

Na im Fault be dat!

Your illustrations no follow at all.
Would you still go ahead to create humans KNOWING FULLY WELL that they will suffer in this world as a result of disobedience on the part of some other humans/non-humans who've existed before them? Yes or No?

Here's What Nobody Told You About Adam And Eve - By Rabbi Manis Friedman. If you want to learn about GOD please listen to Jewish Rabbi like this Rabbi.

Quick preview: "02:44 just quickly a list of questions 02:48 number one god spoke to adam and said 02:50 don't eat from that tree 02:52 an hour later he ate from the tree is 02:55 there something wrong with god"

Full Transcript 00:00 the torah or what is called the bible 00:05 is a divine work 00:09 written by god dictated by god 00:12 and therefore it has multiple levels 00:16 multiple layers of meaning 00:20 and we can go on forever finding deeper 00:23 and richer insights and meaning 00:25 into the familiar stories and teachings 00:28 and commandments of the torah 00:33 a really good example is a story of adam 00:35 and eve 00:36 [Music] 00:37 everybody knows the story 00:40 [Music] 00:41 but here's the rest of the story 00:45 [Music] 00:46 the way it's read in its simple literal 00:49 meaning 00:50 god created adam and eve he put them in 00:54 the garden of eden 00:56 he said to them actually he said to adam 01:00 of all the trees you may eat the fruits 01:04 but the tree of knowledge of good and 01:06 evil you may not eat from it 01:09 for the day you eat from it you will die 01:16 according to the historians this was 01:20 nine 01:20 hours after they were created 01:24 in the garden of eden nine hours after 01:27 they were created they were told not to 01:29 eat from the tree of knowledge 01:32 well an hour later the tenth hour 01:35 they ate from the tree of knowledge 01:40 now god comes to adam and says you ate 01:42 from the tree i told you not to eat from 01:46 adam says she gave it to me and i ate it 01:51 like it's her fault 01:54 god says to eve to hava 01:58 what did you do she says the snake 02:03 the snake made me do it convinced me 02:07 tricked me 02:09 so god says okay because you did this 02:14 by the sweat of your brow will you make 02:16 bread 02:17 and you will give birth to children in 02:19 pain 02:21 the snake will be your enemy he will 02:23 bite you and you will 02:25 beat him anyway 02:29 okay that's the story 02:33 it has many moral lessons 02:37 but the facts of the story don't really 02:40 come together very well 02:44 just quickly a list of questions 02:48 number one god spoke to adam and said 02:50 don't eat from that tree 02:52 an hour later he ate from the tree is 02:55 there something wrong with god 02:59 is it what he's not not impressive 03:02 not convincing you can dismiss him an 03:05 hour later 03:07 [Music] 03:08 it's not like it's not like adam wasn't 03:11 sure that god meant him 03:14 you imagine adam saying are you talking 03:15 to me 03:19 yeah i'm talking to you there's nobody 03:21 else around 03:23 so god speaks to adam up close and 03:25 personal 03:26 and says don't do this and an hour later 03:29 he can do it 03:32 god is not very effective 03:36 something's wrong when god spoke to the 03:39 jewish people at mount sinai 03:41 everybody fainted 03:44 adam just dismisses it 03:49 and then question number two what's 03:52 wrong with adam 03:54 [Music] 03:55 he was created by god 03:57 [Music] 03:59 he had no birth traumas his mother 04:01 didn't 04:03 traumatize him in in in the toilet 04:06 training 04:07 he didn't have bad friends he didn't 04:09 grow up in a bad neighborhood 04:14 and he didn't have an evil inclination 04:17 that tempts you to sin he didn't have 04:20 that 04:21 what's wrong with him 04:26 then you find out that the tree was 04:28 actually a fig tree 04:30 come on how tempting is that 04:33 [Music] 04:40 irresistible 04:42 next question god says to adam the day 04:45 you eat from that tree you will die 04:48 was death a threat did it mean anything 04:51 to adam at all 04:53 he was nine hours old okay he had the 04:56 maturity of a 20 year old 04:58 but he was nine hours into life 05:01 did he already have a survival instinct 05:06 did he even know what death 05:09 nothing ever died 05:15 that's strange next question 05:20 what kind of a mixed message is it to 05:23 say don't eat from the tree for the day 05:25 you eat from it you'll die 05:28 there's a day when i will eat from it 05:33 see it doesn't say if you eat from it it 05:36 says the day 05:37 you eat from it you'll die confusing 05:44 next question god asks him you ate from 05:48 the tree i told you not to eat from he 05:50 blames her 05:53 this is too much corruption too quickly 05:57 he was already so corrupt that he can't 06:00 even be honest 06:02 that that doesn't say much for the human 06:05 race 06:09 and then she blames a snake 06:13 this is weird 06:16 then god says because you did this here 06:19 are the consequences 06:21 pain in childbirth by the sweat of your 06:23 brow whoa 06:24 whoa that was not the deal the deal was 06:28 the day you eat from it you'll die 06:32 now god is saying oh no no no not just 06:34 die 06:35 first you'll suffer then you'll die 06:38 like that bumper sticker life stinks 06:41 then you die 06:42 that was not the deal and you can't it's 06:46 not right 06:47 to add more punishment after the fact 06:53 the ultimate question is this 06:56 it's a discouraging story it's a 06:58 depressing story 07:00 why would the torah begin 07:04 i mean okay it happened 07:08 doesn't mean you have to tell me the 07:09 story right at the beginning of the 07:11 torah 07:14 because if a person who had no traumas 07:19 no bad friends no bad influences no evil 07:22 inclination 07:24 is given one commandment that he doesn't 07:26 last an hour 07:28 what chance do we have 07:32 it's not a good story to start the torah 07:34 with 07:37 so that's on one level 07:40 let's try another level back up a little 07:44 bit 07:45 where did adam and eve come from 07:49 they were created by god god fashioned 07:52 their body out of earth 07:53 and then breathed a soul into them 07:58 where was that soul 08:03 [Music] 08:05 so the story begins there were two souls 08:08 in heaven 08:10 a male and a female and god said to them 08:14 i'm going to send you down to the lowest 08:17 of all possible worlds 08:19 invest you into a physical body made out 08:22 of earth 08:24 and you're going to elevate that world 08:27 the lowest of all worlds 08:29 and make it holier and more godly than 08:32 heaven 08:33 yes they accepted the mission 08:38 now they open their eyes they're in the 08:41 garden of eden 08:43 god says to adam of all the trees you 08:45 may eat but not this one 08:48 now just picture them sitting there 08:52 puzzled 08:54 [Music] 08:55 we're supposed to fix this world elevate 08:58 it 08:59 [Music] 09:01 all the trees are kosher they don't need 09:03 elevating 09:05 there's one tree that is not so kosher 09:08 something's wrong with it 09:10 it needs fixing but we're not allowed to 09:13 eat it 09:16 so what are we doing here what happened 09:18 to our mission 09:19 where's our job 09:22 they were puzzled 09:26 and then adam said you know it's quite 09:29 confusing 09:31 did god god said not to eat it or did he 09:33 say someday you will eat it 09:36 because he said the day you eat from it 09:37 you'll die 09:43 eve said it's not a mixed message and 09:48 it's not confusing 09:50 god is asking us to choose make a choice 09:55 don't eat from it and live or 09:58 eat from it and die it's your choice 10:02 so adam said well that's a pretty simple 10:06 choice to make 10:07 let's not eat from it and live 10:11 eve said god wants us to eat from it 10:17 he's hoping we eat from it 10:21 and adam said how do you know that 10:25 she said because 10:29 our job is in the lowest world and this 10:32 is not the lowest world 10:36 there's a world in which people die 10:39 a world of mortality that's the lowest 10:42 world and that's where our job is 10:45 he wants us to eat from the tree and go 10:48 into the world of mortality 10:51 adam said you know god put us here can't 10:54 be a mistake 10:56 so if he puts us here he must want us 10:58 here 11:00 and eve said no that's not the way it 11:02 works 11:03 god takes you to where your job is 11:06 but you have to volunteer 11:10 to cross that border god will take you 11:13 to the threshold 11:14 but whether you enter that door or not 11:16 is up to you 11:18 he wants us to volunteer 11:23 adam said you know makes a lot of sense 11:26 and they ate from the tree 11:30 now god comes to adam and says you ate 11:32 from the tree i told you not to eat from 11:35 naturally we assume that god is shouting 11:38 he's angry and he's about to smite 11:40 somebody 11:45 that may be one interpretation but not 11:47 necessarily 11:50 god is not angry god is marveling 11:54 how did you know 11:57 i told you not to eat from it but you 11:59 understood 12:01 that i was hoping you would how did you 12:03 know that 12:06 being a new fresh pure innocent 12:10 soul adam said i didn't know 12:13 she knew 12:17 so god says to eve how did you know 12:22 she said you know what the snake told me 12:24 sounded like that's where our job would 12:26 be 12:27 the snake said when you eat from that 12:29 tree you will be like 12:30 god you will know good and evil well 12:33 good and evil 12:35 that needs fixing so god said that's 12:38 great 12:42 that's exactly what i meant by it's not 12:45 good for man to be alone 12:47 because adam would not have eaten from 12:48 the tree 12:52 so then god says let me tell you more 12:55 about this world that you're going down 12:57 to 12:59 it's a mortal world it also has pain 13:03 struggle disappointment it's an uphill 13:06 battle 13:07 it's the lowest world are you sure you 13:10 want to 13:11 try to fix it they said yes 13:14 if that's what you need done that's what 13:17 we will do 13:19 that's the story of adam and eve 13:23 quite different from the conventional 13:26 understanding 13:28 god was not angry they were not punished 13:32 because they never committed a sin 13:37 now we refer to that as the sin 13:41 of the tree of knowledge but the word 13:44 that we use 13:45 in hebrew is not really 13:49 translated as sin there are other words 13:53 for sin 13:55 the word which is how we describe the 13:58 action 13:59 in in the garden of eden the word 14:02 doesn't mean 14:03 sin the word hat means a step down 14:07 demoted they took a giant 14:11 step down but there was no violation 14:14 there was no sin there was nothing 14:17 malicious 14:18 there was nothing lustful it was 14:22 innocent and it was correct 14:25 but it was a step down 14:29 in fact when god said don't eat from 14:32 that tree 14:35 the day you eat from it you'll die he 14:37 wanted them 14:39 to eat from the tree then why did he say 14:42 don't 14:45 but to give them a choice but god can't 14:48 say a falsehood 14:51 when god said don't eat from the tree it 14:53 meant i don't want you to eat from the 14:55 tree 14:56 but he didn't want them to eat from the 14:57 tree 15:01 here's what you really really need to 15:03 know 15:06 god said don't eat from the tree 15:09 cause you're gonna die your children are 15:12 going to be imperfect 15:16 they won't know me 15:20 i don't want this to happen 15:23 but i'm hoping you do it because 15:26 otherwise 15:28 the vast eternal plan will never be 15:31 fulfilled 15:32 so god was saying i don't want you to do 15:36 this 15:38 but i need you to do this 15:42 like a king sending his army off to war 15:46 if he's a good king he doesn't want to 15:50 he hates it but 15:54 has to happen 15:55 [Music] 15:57 so when god said don't eat from the tree 16:00 he meant 16:01 i really don't want this to happen but i 16:04 hope you eat from the tree because it 16:06 has to happen 16:08 what does this tell us about god 16:14 he's not sitting up there in heaven 16:16 unaffected 16:17 invulnerable untouched by anything that 16:20 happens to us and he just watches us to 16:23 see when he should smite us 16:25 that's not that's not god 16:31 god made an investment in creation 16:37 like a man getting married 16:42 he has to make some sacrifices he has to 16:46 give up a lot of stuff 16:49 but how else is he going to have a soul 16:51 mate 16:53 [Music] 16:55 so god sacrifices 16:59 does things against his own will 17:03 goes out of his comfort zone 17:07 in order to have this creation which is 17:10 a relationship 17:13 and that's why everything we do is so 17:16 important to him so it touches him it 17:20 affects him 17:22 gives him pleasure gives him pain and 17:25 say how can god have pleasure how can 17:27 god have pain 17:30 yeah not the way we do our pleasure is 17:34 feeble 17:35 and our pain is pathetic 17:38 his pain is infinite 17:42 and his pleasure is eternal 17:46 of course he's more than us not less 17:51 but it's worth it if we do this 17:55 it will be worth it and that was eve's 17:58 wisdom 18:00 she understood this she heard 18:04 god adam was so impressed with god that 18:08 he didn't hear 18:10 he didn't hear it how was it that she 18:14 understood that they were not in the 18:16 lowest world and they had to volunteer 18:18 and he missed it he missed it because he 18:21 was so 18:22 overwhelmed by god's greatness 18:25 that he didn't hear god's 18:29 vulnerability she heard it 18:34 and thanks to her 18:38 we are busy all these years 18:42 elevating the world fixing the world 18:46 fighting the injustices setting things 18:49 right to the best of our ability 18:52 and she was confident that her children 18:54 will be able to do this 18:56 it's a huge compliment 19:00 so you see how a story can be viewed 19:03 on a simple level on a deeper level 19:07 on a profound level 19:13 every story in the torah is that way if 19:16 a story sounds 19:17 too conventional too too plain too 19:20 ordinary 19:21 banal you're not understanding it 19:25 we don't need god to come down to mount 19:27 sinai 19:28 to teach us things that even dr phil 19:30 could tell us 19:34 it's got to be more to a story in the 19:37 torah 19:38 than conventional wisdom 19:41 so dig deep 19:44 you'll find magnificence 19:50 how are you you know i do a lot of 19:53 talking 19:55 a lot of zooming many classes 19:58 many subjects but that's all 20:02 formal stuff 20:05 hopefully good stuff but formal we also 20:08 have a wednesday night 20:11 meeting that's more informal 20:16 and kind of um hamish 20:21 if you want to join us for that kind of 20:22 an event 20:25 um 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Does God Really Know The Future?

Your question is dicey but if you really want to know the answer to the question i can share my little experience with you.
I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses..
Please are you a calm person?
Because i can't cope with aggressive people. So if you're truly searching for the answer both of us can solve the riddle.

Owain:
I think the question is straight forward enough.. I mean if you could indeed see the future, would you still go ahead to create humans knowing they'll have to experience such untold suffering?
And pls don't bother if you want to come and start telling me of 'freewill' this and that.. Because freewill or no freewill, if you KNOW the FUTURE and KNOW FOR SURE that Satan, Adam, Eve and the rest will misuse their 'freewill', and thus lead to this kind of suffering, then there'll be no need to create them to start with.

What do you think? Or am I missing something?

Pls try to reason with your brain..no religious sentiments pls.
Thanks

You are missing something...

Because you don't understand the premise...

Only when you do...life and God will become clearer...

Owain:

Your illustrations no follow at all.
Would you still go ahead to create humans KNOWING FULLY WELL that they will suffer in this world as a result of disobedience on the part of some other humans/non-humans who've existed before them? Yes or No?

How is it different from people marrying and giving birth even though they know that children get sick or get murdered?

Or traveling even though you know that you could get kidnapped or have an accident?

It's as simple as when you enter the sea, you get wet; when you consume poison, you will get sick.

If you do not want to be sick, do not eat poison, if you do not want to die, do not walk on the paths of death.

It's as simple as that!

.

Dtruthspeaker:


How is it different from people marrying and giving birth even though they know that children get sick or get murdered?

Or traveling even though you know that you could get kidnapped or have an accident?

It's as simple as when you enter the sea, you get wet; when you consume poison, you will get sick.

If you do not want to be sick, do not eat poison, if you do not want to die, do not walk on the paths of death.

It's as simple as that!

See,the ONLY reason you still go ahead to travel despite the possibility of having an accident or being kidnapped is because there is little or nothing you can do about the outcome of your hypothetical trip. I mean, you have no idea of what the future holds so you just service your car(if private), observe the necessary security precautions and hit the road. What any other HUMAN would do. The same logic goes too for all your other examples, there's only so much you can do!

But, if you know for a CERTAINTY that if you go ahead to travel tomorrow the 22nd of Dec, that you'll DEFINITELY be involved in an accident(hypothetically) that'll leave you completely paralyzed for life, answer me truthfully, would you still go ahead and make that trip??

I want to know..

MaxInDHouse:
Does God Really Know The Future?

Your question is dicey but if you really want to know the answer to the question i can share my little experience with you.
I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses..
Please are you a calm person?
Because i can't cope with aggressive people. So if you're truly searching for the answer both of us can solve the riddle.

Share your answer here

Owain:

Share your answer here

The reason why i said the question is dicey is because God supposed to know what will become of His creatures in later times but we need to study the God we are talking about in person.
According to the Bible He (God) is Holy meaning PURE in all respect, this means He is incapable of evil thoughts that's why He was focused on His plans to create life. And as His work progresses everything was going well:
He created different planets.
He arranged for physical light.
He selected the earth as a place to create life.
He set it in a perfect rotatable mode so as to divide night and day.
He made the magma in the core to come out and began form landscape so that the waters were separated from land.
He began creating living things in form of plants to supply the earth enough oxygen.
He created moving creatures who inhales the oxygen and release carbon-dioxide for the plants to breathe in turn.
All these creatures existed as they've been programmed on instinct.
Then He decided to create the caretaker for the earth, this time a creature with the ability to make things better just like Himself.
Why should anyone blame Him for all His works that's been progressing right from the beginning just because humans chose to be rebels?
He never thought humans could prove to be ingrates when He created the first pair, He had a wonderful prospect for them and that is all what He could see as a person whose heart is PURE.
Well it was after humans became revels that He began studying them to know what they will turn out to be in the future as they begin their lives. His wonderful prospect hasn't change so He still focus on His plans the only people He can see in are those who have something to do with His plans, whoever has nothing to do with His plans are under the watch of His cherubs (highly intelligent spirit creatures known as angels) this ones are going throughout the earth to keep records of anyone who is living with conscience and they are reporting to Him. He refuse to do that by Himself because He's unable to withstand evil sights so He empowered this spirit creatures to move throughout the earth but they must not intervene in whatever people are doing, all what they are to do is report back to Him.

So according to the Bible, God knows nothing about most people living on this planet, He only knows the grand paradisiac prospect He has in mind for obedient mankind which nothing can stop it. Whether you are good or evil for now all what He's expecting from you is how you will react after knowing His future prospect for obedient mankind.

If you're the type that feels sorry after knowing the good plans He had He is ready to cancel all the evil you've been doing in the past as times of ignorance, distress and tension out of which you finds no way. But if you're the type that feels indifferent towards His good prospect and you just want to live the way you like without giving any consideration for His good plans then His cherubs will have nothing to record about you.

That's why the Bible talks about the book of life in which most people's names will be missing! Revelations 20:15 compare to Malachi 3:16

Whoever is not found written in God's memory book has gotten his full share in life now so there's nothing for such ones in the future, they will simply expire like everyone else while God will remember those whose names are found written in His memory book, such ones will be called back to come and enjoy the wonderful prospect God has in stock for obedient mankind! Job 14:13-15 compare to Daniel 12:13

All those who have nothing towards Him will be forgotten in their graves just like creatures that God never had any plans for! Psalms 9:17

May you have PEACE!

Owain:

See,the ONLY reason you still go ahead to travel despite the possibility of having an accident or being kidnapped is because there is little or nothing you can do about the outcome of your hypothetical trip. I mean, you have no idea of what the future holds so you just service your car(if private), observe the necessary security precautions and hit the road. What any other HUMAN would do. The same logic goes too for all your other examples, there's only so much you can do!

But, if you know for a CERTAINTY that if you go ahead to travel tomorrow the 22nd of Dec, that you'll DEFINITELY be involved in an accident(hypothetically) that'll leave you completely paralyzed for life, answer me truthfully, would you still go ahead and make that trip??

I want to know..

It is Certain that JUDGEMENT IS CERTAIN!

It is also Certain that The Certain Judgement could either be favorable eg "Thou art Discharged and Acquitted. Entrance is hereby granted thee to enter into the New Heaven and Earth!"

Or Unfavorable eg "Thou art hereby found guilty of sleeping with thy neighbour's wife/husband, stealing, blasphemy .... thou art therefore sentenced to live thy life in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

Then the question which remains is "which Certain Judgement do you want to obtain?"

That, you have both a choice and an ability to accomplish, if you truly desired it.

Dtruthspeaker:


You are missing everything.

First, the mere fact that I can see that my car would get damaged by my "children" would never had stopped me from making it.

Secondly, i can also foresee that my children will not destroy my cars, but that either would not make me create it.

Thirdly, I can foresee that my Tesla can enjoy happily ever after or stupidly bring suffering on itself.

As A Creator I see many things and I will do what I choose to do.

BUT WOE AND SUFFERING SHALL ATTACH TO ANY STUPID CREATION WHICH DOES NOT OBEY THE WORDS OF MOUTH.

Na im Fault be dat!

Lol, so what if you foresee that your car will kill your children the next day, what will you do?
It's a direct question o. What will you do?

kingxsamz:

Lol, so what if you foresee that your car will kill your children the next day, what will you do?
It's a direct question o. What will you do?

which also means that I know what specific area in the car which will kill my children exactly as we already have eg driving above 100kph aka overspeeding, drunk driving, racing other with other road users etc and we have over conquered these things.

So Surely, my children are greater than these things thus, it is also foreseeable that they would show that they are indeed MY TRUE CHILDREN for they would magnificently arrive at their destination without a scratch and the car even washed ready for another trip .

That's my children. They love to prove woe sayers WRONG!

Dtruthspeaker:


which also means that I know what specific area in the car which will kill my children exactly as we already have eg driving above 100kph aka overspeeding, drunk driving, racing other with other road users etc and we have over conquered these things.

So Surely, my children are greater than these things thus, it is also foreseeable that they would show that they are indeed MY TRUE CHILDREN for they would magnificently arrive at their destination without a scratch and the car even washed ready for another trip .

That's my children. They love to prove woe sayers WRONG!

That's not a straight forward answer and I didn't ask for an epistle. I'll give you another opportunity.
The question is What will you do?
I expect your answer to start like this: "I will..."
So let's see you answer smartly in that manner. Go!

Owain:
IWhat do you think? Or am I missing something?

Pls try to reason with your brain..no religious sentiments pls.

Why not ask Him?

kingxsamz:


That's not a straight forward answer and I didn't ask for an epistle. I'll give you another opportunity.
The question is What will you do?
I expect your answer to start like this: "I will..."
So let's see you answer smartly in that manner. Go!

I have answered you already and surely you comprehended that my answer was to the effect that I KNOW MY CHILDREN ARE VERY WISE, so i was not going to do anything about it.

What I am going to do is to call you that my children travelled with the car and have joyfully arrived with our normal travel goodies and they even washed the car ready for another trip.

That's My Kids For You!

Dtruthspeaker:


I have answered you already and surely you comprehended that my answer was to the effect that I KNOW MY CHILDREN ARE VERY WISE, so i was not going to do anything about it.

What I am going to do is to call you that my children travelled with the car and have joyfully arrived with our normal travel goodies and they even washed the car ready for another trip.

That's My Kids For You!

Gave you another opportunity to answer intelligently but you failed. Tells a lot when you avoid simple questions and give irrelevant explanations to something that requires a straightforward answer. Avoiding it only shows you're scared and don't want to fall into a hole you can't come out of. (An act of cowardice) I'm sure everyone else can see that. lol, Good day.

MaxInDHouse:
Does God Really Know The Future?

Your question is dicey but if you really want to know the answer to the question i can share my little experience with you.
I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses..
Please are you a calm person?
Because i can't cope with aggressive people. So if you're truly searching for the answer both of us can solve the riddle.

I think that you are a calm and reasonable person unlike a mad goat who calls himself the truth speaker.
Now I will not lie to you,I like the good things of life and the good things in the afterlife(if it exists). I don't want to go to hell(if it exists). So convert me back to chrustianity by educating me on some questions. Since Christians say that atheist do not know God,can you please answer my first question below?
Who is God/Allah/Buddha/God's from your point of view and tell me about his character(is he good/bad or is he immortal or mortal etc) ?

ifyken:

I think that you are a calm and reasonable person unlike a mad goat who calls himself the truth speaker.
Now I will not lie to you,I like the good things of life and the good things in the afterlife(if it exists). I don't want to go to hell(if it exists). So convert me back to chrustianity by educating me on some questions. Since Christians say that atheist do not know God,can you please answer my first question below?
Who is God/Allah/Buddha/God's from your point of view and tell me about his character(is he good/bad or is he immortal or mortal etc) ?

There is a limitation to what we can know about the person we can't see but at least if you and i can't see Buhari one on one to ask few questions we can see his orders been carried out by the law enforcement agents.

Your first question!
God is a spirit person who claims to be the Creator of all things and many spirits are also claiming God that's the reason why there are complications here and there. But if anyone truly wants to know the true God He is not far away from us, this is what life is all about.
Your second question!
Is God good or bad?
Well think about the earth and everything in it then try to imagine how life will be on this planet if there is just one human pair with the ability to do anything they want with any other creature on the planet!
Try to imagine whether there can be stealing, cheating, murder or any kind of suffering on the part of the only human pair.
The truth is there can't be anything causing them pain, but when more people (billions) are on the same planet the question we need to ask ourselves is who should set the standard to help us cohabit peacefully?
According to the Bible, God warned the first human pair not to take it upon themselves that they can set standards for right and wrong when people begin to multiply {Genesis 2:17} but sadly the first human pair rebelled and demanded for absolute freedom. That's what led us to where we are today! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

So from what we are experiencing today do you think the person (God) who warned them not to think of setting standards for others is good or bad?

MaxInDHouse:


There is a limitation to what we can know about the person we can't see but at least if you and i can't see Buhari one on one to ask few questions we can see his orders been carried out by the law enforcement agents.

Your first question!
God is a spirit person who claims to be the Creator of all things and many spirits are also claiming God that's the reason why there are complications here and there. But if anyone truly wants to know the true God He is not far away from us, this is what life is all about.
Your second question!
Is God good or bad?
Well think about the earth and everything in it then try to imagine how life will be on this planet if there is just one human pair with the ability to do anything they want with any other creature on the planet!
Try to imagine whether there can be stealing, cheating, murder or any kind of suffering on the part of the only human pair.
The truth is there can't be anything causing them pain, but when more people (billions) are on the same planet the question we need to ask ourselves is who should set the standard to help us cohabit peacefully?
According to the Bible, God warned the first human pair not to take it upon themselves that they can set standards for right and wrong when people begin to multiply {Genesis 2:17} but sadly the first human pair disobeyed by demanding for absolute freedom. That's what led us to where we are today! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

So from what we are experiencing today do you think the person (God) who warned them not to think of setting standards for others is good or bad?

Thank you,I really want this argument to be civil from the start to the end.
Now you said God is a spirit,do you have any evidence that God as you think of him exists? Evidence from the bible is not allowed because if I tried to prove Spiderman is real by giving you Spiderman comics, you will probably think I am crazy or wrong. The evidence should also be objective (like if I told you that the sun is shining and very hot on a hot and Bright day,if we both had good eyesight and functioning sensory nerves on our skin,we will both agree to my statement except if you are a pathological liar) and not based on emotions or personal views(eg my truth) because those can be decieving. Eg when I was a Christian, I felt like I saw ghosts and all manner of superstitious creatures at night ans I also fell under anointing but now that I am an atheist, all I mentioned up ceased to exist.
I agree that absolute freedom should not be granted onto any entity but you can admit that god was kind of at fault putting the tree of good and evil right in the garden and warning Adam not to eat it. He could have destroyed or not even created the tree because any desire or object that seems like it cannot be possessed is the one most humans will try to possess. He even is guilty of this when he said through Jesus that "the angels in heaven rejoice when one sinner(not possessed before) become righteous than ninety none other righteous people (possessed before).

ifyken:

Thank you,I really want this argument to be civil from the start to the end.
Now you said God is a spirit,do you have any evidence that God as you think of him exists? Evidence from the bible is not allowed because if I tried to prove Spiderman is real by giving you Spiderman comics, you will probably think I am crazy or wrong. The evidence should also be objective (like if I told you that the sun is shining and very hot on a hot and Bright day,if we both had good eyesight and functioning sensory nerves on our skin,we will both agree to my statement except if you are a pathological liar) and not based on emotions or personal views(eg my truth) because those can be decieving. Eg when I was a Christian, I felt like I saw ghosts and all manner of superstitious creatures at night ans I also fell under anointing but now that I am an atheist, all I mentioned up ceased to exist.
I agree that absolute freedom should not be granted onto any entity but you can admit that god was kind of at fault putting the tree of good and evil right in the garden and warning Adam not to eat it. He could have destroyed or not even created the tree because any desire or object that seems like it cannot be possessed is the one most humans will try to possess. He even is guilty of this when he said through Jesus that "the angels in heaven rejoice when one sinner(not possessed before) become righteous than ninety none other righteous people (possessed before).

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,
You really want to learn but i'll advise you to take things easy and step by step otherwise you will become aggressive and what you intend to know will become an issue causing a grudge.
So please calm down and let's reason together like adults.
I love the example you give about the Sun and i have such undeniable evidence only if you'll reason the same way you want me to.
God promised something that seems impossible in the midst of imperfect humans.
He said this will serve as evidence that He is at WORK in the gathering of His true worshipers.

THE EVIDENCE!
Ever since God confused the language of people on this planet there has never been a time when people from different languages, culture, status, class and skin colour agree to live as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.
Do you think it's possible for people from races like Africa, Asia, Europe, America and Australia to agree on the same standard and use it to settle all their beef to the extent that they begin treating one another as brothers and sisters, never to raise weapons against anyone nor think of war again?

Well that's what God promised as the undeniable evidence that He is WORKING in the gathering of His own worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Before now i used to blame God for so many things until i became one of His true worshipers (Jehovah's Witnesses) this group has gone throughout the earth and all their members have agreed to live as brothers and sisters with their fellow believers from any other race. You can't find them in politics neither do they partake in military services.

That is the one and only group worshiping the true God and His evidence can be seen in their midst just as the evidence of Sun can be seen by anyone who wants to verify!

As for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil it's symbolic terms that means right to set standards regarding what is good and what should be termed as evil. Humans are to rely solely on their Creator for that. That's the meaning of the tree it's not a literal tree! Jeremiah 10:23

kingxsamz:


Gave you another opportunity to answer intelligently but you failed. Tells a lot when you avoid simple questions and give irrelevant explanations to something that requires a straightforward answer. Avoiding it only shows you're scared and don't want to fall into a hole you can't come out of. (An act of cowardice) I'm sure everyone else can see that. lol, Good day.

Everyone here knows that you are just running your mouth simply because you did not expect the kind of answer I gave which you are unable to fault.

Dtruthspeaker:


Everyone here knows that you are just running your mouth simply because you did not expect the kind of answer I gave which you are unable to fault.

An act of cowardice on your end.
It's always easy for me to expose it.
Anyways, my point has been made. Good day. You can have the last say now.

ifyken:

Evidence from the bible is not allowed because if I tried to prove Spiderman is real by giving you Spiderman comics, you will probably think I am crazy or wrong.

Just thought about this that if Spiderman was around 2000 years ago surely he would have been called a resurrected Saint. The story of Adam and Eve the way it's been told sounds like a comic book of that time.

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,
You really want to learn but i'll advise you to take things easy and step by step otherwise you will become aggressive and what you intend to know will become an issue causing a grudge.
So please calm down and let's reason together like adults.
I love the example you give about the Sun and i have such undeniable evidence only if you'll reason the same way you want me to.
God promised something that seems impossible in the midst of imperfect humans.
He said this will serve as evidence that He is at WORK in the gathering of His true worshipers.

THE EVIDENCE!
Ever since God confused the language of people on this planet there has never been a time when people from different languages, culture, status, class and skin colour agree to live as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.
Do you think it's possible for people from races like Africa, Asia, Europe, America and Australia to agree on the same standard and use it to settle all their beef to the extent that they begin treating one another as brothers and sisters, never to raise weapons against anyone nor think of war again?

Well that's what God promised as the undeniable evidence that He is WORKING in the gathering of His own worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Before now i used to blame God for so many things until i became one of His true worshipers (Jehovah's Witnesses) this group has gone throughout the earth and all their members have agreed to live as brothers and sisters with their fellow believers from any other race. You can't find them in politics neither do they partake in military services.

That is the one and only group worshiping the true God and His evidence can be seen in their midst just as the evidence of Sun can be seen by anyone who wants to verify!

As for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil it's symbolic terms that means right to set standards regarding what is good and what should be termed as evil. Humans are to rely solely on their Creator for that. That's the meaning of the tree it's not a literal tree! Jeremiah 10:23

Your God is a confusionist! But Jesus is a better than that!

Your Jehovah can't stop people from building a tower to heaven without confusing them.

Pity you sir.

AntiChristian:

Your God is a confusionist! But Jesus is a better than that!
Your Jehovah can't stop people from building a tower to heaven without confusing them.
Pity you sir.

What exactly do you think about Jesus?
Please calm down so as to be consistent with your write-up.
Below is what you typed about the same Jesus this morning!
Your Qu'ran said the Jews wanted to kill Jesus (even though your Allah said he replaced Jesus with another man that the Jews killed)
So if the people accepted Jesus why trying to kill him?
Your Muhammad ran away from Mecca to Medina do you think the audience welcomed his opinion regarding worship?

AntiChristian:

Can you rate your Jesus before he died, how many people accepted what he was saying? How many in Israel accepts him today?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, you only need to consider the reaction of those i'm chatting with to ascertain the effectiveness of the truth as it's INJECTED in their figurative hearts.
Just calm down young man you're still younger than getting yourself overwhelmed simply because of truth. If you can't handle the truth that's a red signal showing you that Islam has not equipped you enough for the journey ahead.
Good morning!