i have only seen a few churches that give out to charity in Nigeria, but in the U.S alot of churches have food banks and soup kitchens that feed the poor and they also donate school supplies and give scholarships to less priviledged children and some of these churches don't even have as much money as some Nigerian churches, but they try to give out what they can. Why aren't Nigerian churches like that? instead of giving out to the poor, they would rather buy private jets and live the lavish lifestyle

[size=13pt]^{The reason is simple and clear, . . Greediness !} [/size]

Because all the churches are under the righteous judgment of GOD,

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" - 1 Peter 4:17

"And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." - 2 Peter 2:2-4

flee from there, and focus on the word of GOD,

“ Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.” - Psalm 119:103-105

"That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." - 1 John 1:3

How do you know what every church is doing? besides the church s not a charity organisation. The primary calling of the church is the preaching of the gospel. yet many churches still go out of their way to reach out to the less priviledge and supporting them. you dont know what every church is doing. everything is not publicised.

@joagbaje
You keep demonstrating by your utterances your complete ignorance of what the church of christ should be. Yet some people are unfortunate enough to have you as a pastor. Talk of blind leading the blind.

what else can an enemy of the church like you say? So what is the church supposed to be like? show us from scripture.

@Post
I think the greed is essentially a penticostal issue. I witnessed two seperate burial ceremonies recently of both elderly people. One's service was conducted by the catholic church whilst the other was conducted by rccg. In the case of the catholic church, they insisted on underwriting all the Way Keeping expenses of their deceased member, they paid for hall rental chairs, refreshment, transport e.t.c whilst in the case of rccg they not only did not contribute a kobo towards the burial service, the rccg pastors also collected a honorarium of sixty thousand naira for conducting the burial ceremony yet they claim they are serving God. Kindly note that this so called honorarium is institutionalised in most penticostal churches.

Because excessive gullibility breeds and then marries excessive greed in Nigerian churches. Simples.

razznaija:

i have only seen a few churches that give out to charity in Nigeria, but in the U.S alot of churches have food banks and soup kitchens that feed the poor and they also donate school supplies and give scholarships to less priviledged children and some of these churches don't even have as much money as some Nigerian churches, but they try to give out what they can. Why aren't Nigerian churches like that? instead of giving out to the poor, they would rather buy private jets and live the lavish lifestyle

@ kunle oshob
so what!?!
can anybody even believe what you say again

who says church is not a charity organisation ? then what's church for, , for pastors to be enriching their pockets and beautifiying church and making expensive advertisments on televesion through their preaching that has other persona reasons. Although some churches do some charity work but it's just too little and the impacts are not being felt in the society as people are getting poorer, even the so called dedicated church members. This is just an eye opener.

Pastor Kun:

@joagbaje
Yet some people are unfortunate enough to have you as a pastor. Talk of blind leading the blind.

So who are your members "PASTOR"?

kenny1st:

who says church is not a charity organisation ? then what's church for, , for pastors to be enriching their pockets and beautifiying church and making expensive advertisments on televesion through their preaching that has other persona reasons. Although some churches do some charity work but it's just too little and the impacts are not being felt in the society as people are getting poorer, even the so called dedicated church members. This is just an eye opener.

Well, that's what Joaghaje says . . . though he will add for bojuboju sake that the "church" is to "preach the gospel".

Some more kindly soul (than myself) should please explain to him the statement below attributed to St. Francis of Assisi:

Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.

kenny1st:

who says church is not a charity organisation ?

Na me talk am!

then what's church for,

To raise a people unto God by the preaching of the gospel.

Although some churches do some charity work but it's just too little and the impacts are not being felt in the society

At least they tried, they did something. What have you done personally is the question now.

razznaija:

i have only seen a few churches that give out to charity in Nigeria, but in the U.S alot of churches have food banks and soup kitchens that feed the poor and they also donate school supplies and give scholarships to less priviledged children and some of these churches don't even have as much money as some Nigerian churches, but they try to give out what they can. Why aren't Nigerian churches like that? instead of giving out to the poor, they would rather buy private jets and live the lavish lifestyle

A lot of these people are really thieves disguising as "men of God". That is why they follow mammon and Satan and their doctrines constantly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ and the apostles.

@ enigma
How many people have you personally helped
Before you clean the dust remove the sand in your eye

mabell:

@ kunle oshob
so what!?!
can anybody even believe what you say again

what do you have against kunle oshob he hasn't even posted in this topic and your replying him

.

" the church is not a charity organisation"

Something is definitely wrong with the type of Christianity practised in nigeria.

It's really unfortunate.

Charities help the less fortunate and provides adequate support and love to them.

If a church is not required to epitomise those selfless qualities of love then I wonder who is best to provide that support. If secular organisations provides such support, why can't the religion that profess undiluted love?

Hypocrites.

Very shameful.

^^^
Dont just throw words around. can you prove it scripturally? I'm not against charity. I do charity. And our churches do . But it is not the assignment of the church. The assignment of the church to the world is the preaching of the "Gospel" . Any other thing is extra. You can't demand it of the church or blame the church for it. Churches may do charity, build bus stops and bridges but it's not the assignment christ gave the church.

There is charity in the church though. But the charity work in the church is for the members primarily. Any extra thing churches do in the society should be appreciated and not criticised.

@dare2think:

According to above post, Charity is "bus-stops" AND "bridges". So wetin be your wahala?

SCRIPTURALLY, God has ALWAYS associated with poor, helpless and downtrodden so giving "these" is as close to giving God as possible.

The missionaries exemplified this by bringing drugs, food, education to the "poor".

some of their pastors have up to 4 private planes and people continue to give them their hard earned money does it occur to them that jesus didnt even have a donkey things like this make you wonder what nigeria is turning into.

Joagbaje:

besides the church s not a charity organisation. The primary calling of the church is the preaching of the gospel. yet many churches still go out of their way to reach out to the less priviledge and supporting them. you dont know what every church is doing. everything is not publicised.

Would you say that the church, being the body of Christ, and being made up of individuals who follow the teachings of Christ is "going out of its way to reach out to the less priviledge (sic)"?

Given the many teachings in the Bible on love/charity, giving to the poor etc, do you consider reaching out to the less privileged to be out of the way of the church, such that it has to go out of its way to do it?

Joagbaje:

^^^
Dont just throw words around. can you prove it scripturally? I'm not against charity. I do charity. And our churches do . But it is not the assignment of the church. The assignment of the church to the world is the preaching of the "Gospel" . Any other thing is extra. You can't demand it of the church or blame the church for it. Churches may do charity, build bus stops and bridges but it's not the assignment christ gave the church.

There is charity in the church though. But the charity work in the church is for the members primarily. Any extra thing churches do in the society should be appreciated and not criticised.

Lol, can I prove what spiritually?

I am not the type to quote a text from a book to justify stupidity.  I wont  quote rubbish to qualify rubbish. 

Your response is full of ambiguities.

"Any other thing is extra", says who?  Jesus?

Is that what Christ said?  "SPREAD THE GOSPEL BUT ANY OTHER THING IS EXTRA"

You can keep deceiving your congregation. The fact that you think Charity is an "Extra" requirement of the the Church only shows the decay Christianity is undergoing.

Charity is Love towards another soul, what could be more important than showing love to a Neighbour? 

Wait let me answer that, buying a Jet to spread the Gospel is more important I guess.

-Shakes Head-

nuclearboy:

@dare2think:

According to above post, Charity is "bus-stops" AND "bridges". So wetin be your wahala?

That's in addition to equipping the police with patrol vehicles and other thief catching security gadgets

Joagbaje:

How do you know what every church is doing? besides the church s not a charity organisation. The primary calling of the church is the preaching of the gospel. yet many churches still go out of their way to reach out to the less priviledge and supporting them. you dont know what every church is doing. everything is not publicised.

Pastor JoAgbaje is in NEED of REPENTANCE for the highlighted portion above, I concur with Kunle that for you to be a pastor (NL parish?) and still utter those nonsensical words, we need to pray for you and your congregation(maybe your Church in it's entirety).

Jesus Christ was ALL ABOUT THE POOR and downtrodden but not these "modern church of Nigeria & America ltd, PLC, LLC, etc" I really feel sorry for the average Nigerian both home and abroad that give their hard earned money to these scammers, The Catholics are way ahead of these modern business centers parading in the name of Church these days, Fela said this a long time ago, they made him look like a fool for speaking the truth when he was actually ahead of his time.

"He who have ears, let him hear"!

dare2think:

Lol, can I prove what spiritually?
I am not the type to quote a text from a book to justify stupidity.  I wont  quote rubbish to qualify rubbish. 

that means your post is rubbish

-Shakes Head-

Don't let the head fall o

^^^^
Is that the best you can come back with?



-sighs-


"One should not worry when a Child is afraid of the darkness, the real worry is when Men are afriad of Light"

Well for starters l am not in support of Joagbaje because statement that the church is not a charity organization for is one l am yet to satisfactorily investigate and study on but be that as it may though at least l know that the bible from the Gospels to the Epistles reveals to us what we could conveniently call the primary duties of the church.

And perhaps l should mention this; the primary responsibility of a Pastor is not really what most people think it is but the scripture below provides us a clue as to what that responsibility is:

Acts 6:1-4
1 ¶ And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

kemmeye:

some of their pastors have up to 4 private planes and people continue to give them their hard earned money does it occur to them that jesus didnt even have a donkey things like this make you wonder what nigeria is turning into.

Meaning that He trekked on his way through His journeys especially His triumphant entry into Jerusalem was by foot se bi

Matthew 21:1-7
1 ¶ And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,
2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.
4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,
7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.

Please let us just making blanket statement that are born out sentiments and offence

Helping the poor is part of preaching the gospel. Besides, I think the key question is: After the church has used its resources to organize crusades and other things that come within the traditional definition of preaching the gospel, what should it do with the rest - offer the pastor a lavish lifestyle or help the poor within and outside the church?

not for you to decide

@ Fake Pastor JoAgbaje, Open your bible and read these to know that the bible is not only about Tithes! Charity work is not 'Extra' is you termed it. It is your duty as a Christian. Anyway my God is different from the God Money you serve.


“Blessed is he who considers the poor; The LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. The LORD will preserve him and keep him alive, And he will be blessed on the earth; You will not deliver him to the will of his enemies.” (Psalms 41:1-2 NKJV)

“He who despises his neighbor sins; But he who has mercy on the poor, happy is he.” (Proverbs 14:21 NKJV)

“Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’” (Matthew 25:34-40 NKJV)

newmi:

Well for starters l am not in support of Joagbaje because statement that the church is not a charity organization for is one l am yet to satisfactorily investigate and study on but be that as it may though at least l know that the bible from the Gospels to the Epistles reveals to us what we could conveniently call the primary duties of the church.

And perhaps l should mention this; the primary responsibility of a Pastor is not really what most people think it is but the scripture below provides us a clue as to what that responsibility is:

Acts 6:1-4
1 ¶ And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

True they ought not to leave the word of God and serve tables, but they considered the task important enough to delegate it to able men within the church.

This post is talking about what the church should do regarding charity and not just what pastors should do. Within a church are pastors, deacons, ushers etc all with important roles to play.