Hanndye:

Ok, given that Paul was a fake, what about the other Apostles?

If Paul is fake then

The thirteen books written by Paul are: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, and Philemon.

Throw all these away and see what remains of the Bible!

No More grace story!

Kobojunkie:
Covid 19 had absolutely nothing to do with biblical prophesy. Stop spinning these ridiculous tales!

Didn't I say elsewhere that sincerely you have a problem and need deliverance × mental therapy? You doubted me.

So now you want COVID-19 or Tinubu's name to be written in the Bible before you know it has something to do with endtime?

MrPRevailer:
■ Didn't I say you have a problem and need deliverance × mental therapy?
So now you want COVID-19 or Tinubu's name to be written in the Bible before you know it has something to do with endtime.

ROFLMAO


Again, Covid 19, Tinubu, the Kitchen sink.... all have absolutely nothing to do with biblical prophesy. Stop spinning these ridiculous tales!

MrPRevailer:


Ever read the book of Revelation. It has so many answers to so many questions, yet many christians are scared to read it. When in fact we are already in the apocalyptic times. (E.g more than 16 million people have died from Covid19 vaccines, Birthrate decline is at its highest globally since the rollout. Etc)

Revelation chapter 2-3 is Jesus warnings to the 7 Churches of Asia. And these have their angels.
So there is no One Church of Christ

•Revelation 21 shows us the apostles are the foundation of the New Jerusalem City.
•Peter is the leade[s][/s]r of the Apostles as we are told in the book of Acts.
•Jesus also charged him to strengthen his brethren (the apostles).
•And charged him three times to feed his flock/sheep.

Contd.

I think Ephesians 4:4-6 is the answer to your 'So there is no One Church of Christ'.

'There is one BODY and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.'

AntiChristian:
If Paul is fake then

The thirteen books written by Paul are: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, and Philemon.

Throw all these away and see what remains of the Bible!
No More grace story!

Again, This is wrong since grace in fact refers to the Eternal Life bonus/gift given at the entry gate into the Kingdom of God. What Paul said of it is real but the interpretations given by way of the doctrines and traditions of religion to what Paul said is the issue.

Hanndye:

I think Ephesians 4:4-6 is the answer to your 'So there is no One Church of Christ'.

'There is one BODY and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.'

Ephesians 4:4-6 resonated with my second reply to you.
I said the true Church are those who worship God in spirit and church and sound doctrine regardless of Churches names.

Jesus will Rapture his Church; that is those believers whose names are found in the book of Life, keeping to righteousness, Holiness and sound doctrine.

Revelation 2&3 shows us not One Church but 7 Churches of Asia. What do you say about that?

AntiChristian:


If Paul is fake then

The thirteen books written by Paul are: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, and Philemon.

Throw all these away and see what remains of the Bible!

No More grace story!

Chief of the Apostles, Peter contends

2Peter 3:15 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.".

AntiChristian:


If Paul is fake then

The thirteen books written by Paul are: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, and Philemon.

Throw all these away and see what remains of the Bible!

No More grace story!

Look well. We still have a lot, from Genesis, the beginning of Creation, to the Book of Acts, even up to when Paul, formerly known as Saul was baptized and others.
Christianity, was before the discipleship of Paul. He was even recorded as haven even persecuted the Church, enough as you would want, before he was converted. So it unfounded that Paul founded Christianity.

MrPRevailer:


Chief of the Apostles, Peter contends

2Peter 3:15 "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.".

Peter, on whom Jesus said the was the rock on which the church would be built and not Paul who wrote 13 books?

On whom was the church built?

And out of 11 how many really knew him?

Hanndye:

Look well. We still have a lot, from Genesis, the beginning of Creation, to the Book of Acts, even up to when Paul, formerly known as Saul was baptized and others.
Christianity, was before the discipleship of Paul. He was even recorded as haven even persecuted the Church, enough as you would want, before he was converted. So it unfounded that Paul founded Christianity.

Show me verses that mentioned Christianity in the whole Bible?

Which church was Paul persecuting?

It's true Paul never met Jesus physically!
Yet he wrote more books than all those Jesus met physically!

AntiChristian:


Show me verses that mentioned Christianity in the whole Bible?

Which church was Paul persecuting?

It's true Paul never met Jesus physically!
Yet he wrote more books than all those Jesus met physically!

1----Acts 11: 26. 'And it was in Antioch that the disciples were first called CHRISTIANS, - hence, Christianity.

2----Galasians 1:13 13 'You have heard, no doubt, of my earlier life in Judaism. I was violently persecuting the CHURCH of GOD and was trying to destroy it. I advanced in Judaism beyond many among my people of the same age, for I was far more zealous for the traditions of my ancestors.'

Your third argument is just your personal opinion, it's neither here nor there. If Paul is zealous, that his is personal business.

Hanndye:

Jesus says in Matthew 16:18. 'And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.'
©What is your take on this verse?
©What is the Church?
©Was it ever established?
©if so, where is it today?

There are four questions in the highlighted so i will address one then if you're satisfied you can signify and i will take the second question.

After the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ Jesus God fulfilled His promises which was spoken by Joel the prophet {Joel 2:28-30} at Pentecost God's Holy Spirit rushed in with a loud noise and distributed itself on the heads of all the 120 Christians in attendance {Act 2:1-6} they remembered everything Jesus taught them so vividly that day but how are they going to pass the message to visitors in Jerusalem who aren't Jews? So while they were speaking their own language trying to convey the message God's Holy Spirit turned their tongues each one into the language of his own listener!
Thousands among the Jews who heard Peter's speech that day became believers even though they were regretting all they had done to Jesus of Nazareth! Act 2:37-41
So the Church was established that very day as thousands of Jews became OBEDIENT to the apostles who are serving as the GOVERNING BODY of the church from then onward {Act 2: 42} whatever the apostles decrees stands just as Jesus of Nazareth had said:

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.Matthew 16:19

From that day onward the CHURCH was founded and the apostles began acting as the BODY that must not be disobeyed by anyone who joined the group, the GOVERNING BODY wasn't perfect because they erred by trying to eradicate poverty in their midst {Act 4:34-35} even though Jesus had told them that there will always be poor ones amongst them {Mark 14:7} but whoever disobeyed or lied to the GOVERNING BODY despite their imperfection will be exposed! Act 5:1-11

MaxInDHouse:


There are four questions in the highlighted so i will address one then if you're satisfied you can signify and i will take the second question.

After the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ Jesus God fulfilled His promises which was spoken by Joel the prophet {Joel 2:28-30} at Pentecost God's Holy Spirit rushed in with a loud noise and distributed itself on the heads of all the 120 Christians in attendance {Act 2:1-6} they remembered everything Jesus taught them so vividly that day but how are they going to pass the message to visitors in Jerusalem who aren't Jews? So while they were speaking their own language trying to convey the message God's Holy Spirit turned their tongues each one into the language of his own listener!
Thousands among the Jews who heard Peter's speech that day became believers even though they were regretting all they had done to Jesus of Nazareth! Act 2:37-41
So the Church was established that very day as thousands of Jews became OBEDIENT to the apostles who are serving as the GOVERNING BODY of the church from then onward {Act 2: 42} whatever the apostles decrees stands just as Jesus of Nazareth had said:

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.Matthew 16:19

From that day onward the CHURCH was founded and the apostles began acting as the BODY that must not be disobeyed by anyone who joined the group, the GOVERNING BODY wasn't perfect because they erred by trying to eradicate poverty in their midst {Act 4:34-35} even though Jesus had told them that there will always be poor ones amongst them {Mark 14:7} but whoever disobeyed or lied to the GOVERNING BODY despite their imperfection will be exposed! Act 5:1-11

Well, that's a pass by me, you can go on.

Hanndye:

Well, that's a pass by me, you can go on.

©Where is the church today?

Immediately after the establishment of the church Satan began fighting {Revelations 12:17} he used everything within his power to prosecute, persecute and execute as many as he could among the first century Jewish disciples. But just as Jesus has said the gates of hell can't prevail sending believers to untimely grave (hell) never stopped them from multiplying in number!

So Satan devices another technique "if you can't beat them, lead them" he began initiating his agents right in their midst {1John 2:18 compare to Matthew 13:25, 38,39} that was how Christianity became faceless as Satan's agent gained the support of worldly politicians to suppress and intimate anyone who wants to uphold the real teachings of Christ so when Jesus looked into the future of Christianity he asked:

When i return, will i meet Christianity the way i left it? Luke 18:8

So falsehood overshadowed the truth about Christianity for ages as Satan's agent were going from city to city, town to town and village to village forcing their doctrines on people. That was what is called the "DARK AGES" you can Google it.

But during the 20th century Jesus finally returned to restructure his group for the final work. Precisely in the year 1919 Jesus began working with a small group in America known back then as International Bible Students Association (IBSA) that was the only group willing to accept correction from the spirit King all other religions were upholding their man-made doctrines as they keep referring to the teachings of their human founders but this group was making correction upon corrections until the year 1931 when they have met the requirement God prophesied about His worshipers in the last days:

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:2-4

From then till today the true God began calling this group by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Despite all the fine works of this group the world has hatred with passion against them {John 15:19} yet that's the world's most peaceful group befitting the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} and the whole world could testify that they have LOVE among themselves! John 13:34

That's the CHURCH today!

MaxInDHouse:



Immediately after the establishment of the church Satan began fighting {Revelations 12:17} he used everything within his power to prosecute, persecute and execute as many as he could among the first century Jewish disciples. But just as Jesus has said the gates of hell can't prevail sending believers to untimely grave (hell) never stopped them from multiplying in number!

So Satan devices another technique "if you can't beat them, lead them" he began initiating his agents right in their midst {1John 2:18 compare to Matthew 13:25, 38,39} that was how Christianity became faceless as Satan's agent gained the support of worldly politicians to suppress and intimate anyone who wants to uphold the real teachings of Christ so when Jesus looked into the future of Christianity he asked:

When i return, will i meet Christianity the way i left it? Luke 18:8

So falsehood overshadowed the truth about Christianity for ages as Satan's agent were going from city to city, town to town and village to village forcing their doctrines on people. That was what is called the "DARK AGES" you can Google it.

But during the 20th century Jesus finally returned to restructure his group for the final work. Precisely in the year 1919 Jesus began working with a small group in America known back then as International Bible Students Association (IBSA) that was the only group willing to accept correction from the spirit King all other religions were upholding their man-made doctrines as they keep referring to the teachings of their human founders but this group was making correction upon corrections until the year 1931 when they have met the requirement God prophesied about His worshipers in the last days:

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:2-4

From then till today the true God began calling this group by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Despite all the fine works of this group the world has hatred with passion against them {John 15:19} yet that's the world's most peaceful group befitting the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} and the whole world could testify that they have LOVE among themselves! John 13:34

That's the CHURCH today!

I beg to disagree with you on this with 3 main points.
(1) The name Jehovah Witness- Like many other churches, that name is not associated with the early Christians. Though on differ times Jesus asked his disciples to go and witness on His behave but they never adopt the name Jesus witness as would have been more appropriate than Jehovah Witness.

(2) The prophecy on Jesus second coming. The Bible let us know that on Jesus second coming, all eyes shall see Him.
Rev. 1:8:9 'Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.'
Acts 1:11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
(3) Your policy on baptism is wrong. The early Christians never told anyone to embark on any session of study before they could be baptized. Rather, Jesus says anyone who comes to Him has learned from the Father. After all, who taught the woman with the issue of blood what to do to be healed, who taught the thief on the right what to say to be saved, etc? They do what they had to do or say by FAITH and Jesus healed them.

MaxInDHouse:



Immediately after the establishment of the church Satan began fighting {Revelations 12:17} he used everything within his power

So falsehood overshadowed the truth about Christianity for ages as Satan's agent were going from city to city, town to town and village to village forcing their doctrines on people. That was what is called the "DARK AGES" you can Google it.

But during the 20th century Jesus finally returned to restructure his group for the final work. Precisely in the year 1919 Jesus began working with a small group in America known back then as International Bible Students Association (IBSA) that was the only group willing to accept correction from the spirit King all other religions were upholding their man-made doctrines as they keep referring to the teachings of their human founders but this group was making correction upon corrections until the year 1931 when they have met the requirement God prophesied about His worshipers in the last days:

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:2-4

From then till today the true God began calling this group by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Despite all the fine works of this group the world has hatred with passion against them {John 15:19} yet that's the world's most peaceful group befitting the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} and the whole world could testify that they have LOVE among themselves! John 13:34

That's the CHURCH today!

I beg to disagree with you on this with 3 main points.
(1) The name Jehovah Witness- Like many other churches, that name is not associated with the early Christians. Though on differ times Jesus asked his disciples to go and witness on His behave but they never adopt the name Jesus witness as would have been more appropriate than Jehovah Witness.

(2) The prophecy on Jesus second coming. The Bible let us know that on Jesus second coming, all eyes shall see Him.
Rev. 1:8:9 'Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.'
Acts 1:11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

(3) Your policy on baptism is wrong. The early Christians never told anyone to embark on any session of study before they could be baptized. Rather, Jesus says anyone who comes to Him has learned from the Father. After all, who taught the woman with the issue of blood what to do to be healed, who taught the thief on the right what to say to be saved, etc? They do what they had to do or say by FAITH and Jesus healed them.

AntiChristian:


Peter, on whom Jesus said the was the rock on which the church would be built and not Paul who wrote 13 books?

On whom was the church built?

And out of 11 how many really knew him?

I have showed you Peter's words verifying and certifyingPaul as authentic. But no, just turn a blind eye to that and ask more doubtful questions.

See question! Paul was a great persecutor of Christianity. So not only the 12 apostles, all Christians knew him and were still afraid of him even after his immediate conversion (they doubted).

It was Apostle Peter who made them to understand his genuine conversion.
And Paul worked with the 12 apostles.
He laboured more than all of them because his ministry was to the Gentiles (if you know what that means).
The church helped him many times to escape lynching. He was cast in prison several times. Beaten with wipes and rods. Always In jeopardy for the Church's sake.

This was Saul, who ruled like a Prince, greatly feared, honored and favoured by the high-ranking Pharisees, and Chief Priest.

He gave it all up in his conversion. Which is a BIG act of foolishness to anybody who prefers Money and Fame to Truth.

Hanndye:

I beg to disagree with you on this with 3 main points.
(1) The name Jehovah Witness- Like many other churches, that name is not associated with the early Christians. Though on differ times Jesus asked his disciples to go and witness on His behave but they never adopt the name Jesus witness as would have been more appropriate than Jehovah Witness.

The group name "CHRISTIANS" was borrowed in Antioch {Act 11:26} back then it was meant to vilify the disciples of Christ not to honor them but Jesus' disciples were ready to endure anything for the love they had for their leader.
Being Witnesses of Jesus doesn't mean calling themselves by that name rather it means they will always do things the way he does and that's exactly why the inhabitants of Antioch began calling them "CHRISTIANS" for imitating the man from Nazareth.
However you need to read what God said in that Bible book of Isaiah 65:15 there God told Satan and his agents:

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: Isaiah 65:15

Satan is the same person behind the vilification of first century disciples of Christ and he is the same person who initiated his own agents right in their midst to turn away many from bearing the reproach brought upon that group as his own agents picked up weapons to fight against critics unlike Jesus' real disciples who must not use weapons against anyone be it friends of the faith or foe {Matthew 5:43-48} so after bearing the group name "CHRISTIANS" for almost 2000 years the true God fulfilled His promise in the year 1931 by calling His worshipers the hidden name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
You may have wondered how will people like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham until John the baptist should be called since they were never followers of Christ but faithful servants of God?
Well the name God hid for thousands of years from Satan and all his agents is "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" you can read Hebrews 11:4-32 and see how Paul proved that all these people were WITNESSES of someone {Hebrews 12:1 compare to Isaiah 43:10-12} even Jesus himself is one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Revelations 1:5

Hanndye:

(2) The prophecy on Jesus second coming. The Bible let us know that on Jesus second coming, all eyes shall see Him.
Rev. 1:8:9 'Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.'
Acts 1:11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Seeing Jesus in the clouds doesn't mean what will be experienced literally rather it simply means his disciples will bear thorough witness throughout the earth regarding God's kingdom being the only solution to mankind's problem. You yourself can testify to it today that throughout the earth there no place where people aren't saying "we are living in the last days" for your information that's what the presence of Christ truly means.
Since the year 1919 Jesus has been working with the International Bible Students Association globally known today as Jehovah's Witnesses by our preaching and teaching that no human government can bring betterment except God's kingdom just as Jesus of Nazareth taught in the first century.
That's what seeing Jesus in the sky TRULY means! Act 1:8

Hanndye:

(3) Your policy on baptism is wrong. The early Christians never told anyone to embark on any session of study before they could be baptized. Rather, Jesus says anyone who comes to Him has learned from the Father. After all, who taught the woman with the issue of blood what to do to be healed, who taught the thief on the right what to say to be saved, etc? They do what they had to do or say by FAITH and Jesus healed them.

Hmmmmmmm you need to meditate on what the scriptures say not just reading it.
All those people have been worshipers of the God of Israel all their lives so they know what the scriptures say through the study of God's word as taught by their religious leaders in their synagogues that's why Jesus told them:

“The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell (taught) you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say" Matthew 23:2-3

So the first century Jews only need to identify the Christ whom all the scriptures was talking about in order for them to apply everything they've learned that's why Peter could refer to those Jews listening to him on the day of Pentecost that all what the scriptures they knew was talking about is the man from Nazareth whom they killed! Act 2:14-36

Do you think anyone without a Bible study could grasp all what Peter said from verse 14-36 of that chapter?

Well after listening to Peter those Jews were pained to the heart that they've missed out in identifying the promised Messiah (Christ) when he walked in their midst so they asked Peter and the apostles remorsefully:

“Men, brothers, what should we do?” Act 2:37

Of course most of them had been baptised by John the baptist because they all recognized John as a prophet of God {Matthew 21:26} so what else do they need other than to be baptized again but this time in the name of the resurrected Christ: Jesus of Nazareth. Act 2:38

So my friend it's appropriate that we study the Bible thoroughly with any interested person for then to have accurate knowledge of what they're going to do for Jesus which is becoming one of his disciples who are zealously preaching and industriously teaching about God's Kingdom in their neighbourhood! Matthew 28:19-20

May you have PEACE!