Kipaji:


Gerrard, could you expatiate on the emboldened point please?

For black Africa to be rich or at least middle class, we need to receive investments and have our goods access wealthier markets. That is what the US did with Japan after the nuclear bombing, South Korea after the disintegration, Singapore, Malaysia and Taiwan. Those countries got massive investments from Western companies and technical know-how. In return, they rose from the poverty stage to wealth. The same applied to China during the late '80s. A nation cannot be rich by selling goods to poorer countries. A hotel in Ikeja GRA will generate more revenues than another in Ojo simply because visitors/guests within the GRA axis have more money than those in Ojo. Also, countries like Brazil, South Korea, Japan and many African countries got richer as China grew. Western countries benefitted from low inflation because there was a China that manufactured anything at the lowest prices. Western companies also benefitted from a huge market where they sold goods and services. Everyone benefitted.

Now, the Chinese are ascending to higher levels and the West feels threatened and is clamping down on her growth. OK, their interest. So, where next are the world's manufacturing hubs they are targeting? South Asia (India) and South East Asia. But these places are a distance away from Europe and the United States. The most logical would be to do the same in black Africa to serve the same purpose as China. The other day, I read German businesses went to Indonesia, Malaysia and Vietnam to seek partners to produce goods for the EU market. For crying out loud, is Malaysia closer to Germany than Senegal? Kenya? Tanzania?

Investing in certain countries to make them rich is good for the investor because when those people invested in become rich, they purchase the goods and patronise the services of the investor. That is how it happened with the Chinese and the West. The West invested, and today Chinese purchase lots of Mercedes-Benz, LVMH, Tesla, BASF chemicals, Airbus etc. The same applies to Thailand, Malaysia and South Korea, where the Japanese invested, and those countries are major trading partners of Japan today by buying Japanese goods and patronising Japanese' companies' services. The same thing is what the Chinese tried replicating in Africa - invest there and ensure they become rich. In return, they will purchase goods from China when they become wealthy.

The question now is, why didn't the West think of the same, considering we have a 500+ year history compared to the Chinese?

Gerrard59:


For black Africa to be rich or at least middle class, we need to receive investments and have our goods access wealthier markets. That is what the US did with Japan after the nuclear bombing, South Korea after the disintegration, Singapore, Malaysia and Taiwan. Those countries got massive investments from Western companies and technical know-how. In return, they rose from the poverty stage to wealth. The same applied to China during the late '80s. A nation cannot be rich by selling goods to poorer countries. A hotel in Ikeja GRA will generate more revenues than another in Ojo simply because visitors/guests within the GRA axis have more money than those in Ojo. Also, countries like Brazil, South Korea, Japan and many African countries got richer as China grew. Western countries benefitted from low inflation because there was a China that manufactured anything at the lowest prices. Western companies also benefitted from a huge market where they sold goods and services. Everyone benefitted.

Now, the Chinese are ascending to higher levels and the West feels threatened and is clamping down on her growth. OK, their interest. So, where next are the world's manufacturing hubs they are targeting? South Asia (India) and South East Asia. But these places are a distance away from Europe and the United States. The most logical would be to do the same in black Africa to serve the same purpose as China. The other day, I read German businesses went to Indonesia, Malaysia and Vietnam to seek partners to produce goods for the EU market. For crying out loud, is Malaysia closer to Germany than Senegal? Kenya? Tanzania?

Investing in certain countries to make them rich is good for the investor because when those people invested in become rich, they purchase the goods and patronise the services of the investor. That is how it happened with the Chinese and the West. The West invested, and today Chinese purchase lots of Mercedes-Benz, LVMH, Tesla, BASF chemicals, Airbus etc. The same applies to Thailand, Malaysia and South Korea, where the Japanese invested, and those countries are major trading partners of Japan today by buying Japanese goods and patronising Japanese' companies' services. The same thing is what the Chinese tried replicating in Africa - invest there and ensure they become rich. In return, they will purchase goods from China when they become wealthy.

The question now is, why didn't the West think of the same, considering we have a 500+ year history compared to the Chinese?

Thank you for the thorough abswer Gerrard. I am learning a lot on this forum. Thanks to everybody.

Now, I will touch on your last question

The question now is, why didn't the West think of the same, considering we have a 500+ year history compared to the Chinese?

Clearly, they did not want Africa to rise from poverty.

A few months ago I wondered why South Korea became such an advanced and innovative country while Africann countries are still so far behind, given that they were about equally poor in the period of their respective independence. I discovered that a major factor was that the West did not behave in Korea the same way it behaved in Africa.

The West had an interest in Soutb Korea's growth. In the 50s, North Korea the communist part of Korea, was doing better than South Korea, the capital part. This situation was critical as we were in the cold war and some countries were still dithering about whether they should join the capitalists or the communists. Having the communist version of Korea doing better than the capitalist version was bad image. So, the West wanted SK to develop to show how much better capitalism is compared to communism.

In Africa, all they wanted were resources. The so-called development projects such as roads and other infrastructures they made were mostly to facilitate the extraction and transport of resources. They did not undertook project with the aim of Africans becoming richer.

Gerrard59:


The question now is, why didn't the West think of the same, considering we have a 500+ year history compared to the Chinese?

They dey fear revenge. Thats why.

Look at the headache the Chinese/Russian alliance is giving them, you now want to add Africa's own to it.

Europe and Asia are actually one continent. It is called Eurasia. It is Western racist politics that kind of divided the continent into two. For example, the Middle East is West Asia. In Russia for example, they don't teach their kids that Europe and Asia are two continents.

So if the West can really mess up their own brothers that they share a single continent with and somehow look like them, why not Africans that are black?

And also, Africa is actually closer to Europe than Asia, so it makes sense to invest in manufacturing here, to be exported to Europe. But no, they will never do that. Africa is a defeated ground in their eyes, nothing good can come out of it, and its fate is permanent servitude.

We are not even powerful yet, and leaders like Museveni, Ruto, and Malema are saying, then think of when we are powerful. Look at the rage in the hearts of African Americans, those folks have hibernated anger. The BLM riots are just a snippet of their intergenerational grievances.

So nope, they won't do that. We must lift ourselves up like China did. Redemption always comes from inside.

Few months ago, China brokered peace deal between two sworn enemies in West Asia (aka Middle East), unbeknownst to most, it was the foundation of ushering both into BRICS.

And from January 2024, Iran, and Saudi Arabia would be United under one economic zone, alongsides Russia, UAE and Iran, they would control about 45% of the world's oil market.

With this realities on ground, it can be said that the era of the petrodollar is officially over. The times of unilateral sanctions, banning countries from Swift, freezing their foreign reserves would be buried in the dust of history.

With their oil and gold, creating a currency backed by resources is now more of a reality than ever, but the question is, how soon will this happen? I think it will happen when the US fork up again, just like they did with freezing over 300B USD Russia's foreign reserves.

But the question that lingers still is, what other master plans do the BRICS have for the West? I'm convinced that the West would be very careful now to sanction any country, in a bid to slow down the irreversible trend of global dedollarisation.

But the damage has been done, and that ship has sailed. The global South has completely lost their trust in the dollar, the West and the Western led institutions from ICC, UN to world Bank.

Furthermore, I expect that just as the West pushed the global South to dedollarisation due to their reckless sanctions on Russia, they will also push the global South to trade in another currency with a future sanction. The West will fork up soon again, it's the nature of thieves.

I am placing my bet that the price the American empire will pay will be the switching from swift to a brics payment system, and also the creation of a new currency if they ever challenge China when they attempt to unify with Taiwan.

The Chinese are busy building the hardware, so installing the software will be nothing. Remember those ghost towns that were used as propaganda by the West as China's impending collapse?

Those cities of ghost towns have all been occupied and thriving. The Chinese think ahead. Chinese government are made up of technocrats, nerds, and extremely intelligent people.

You don't hear about the ghost town anymore, and it's because it's built to absorb the growing middle class, to avoid creating slums and high cost of rent, just like Hong Kong.

That's exactly what's going on with BRICS. Little by little, we will come to understand why for example, they chooses Ethiopia as a future member even though it's the poorest in the bloc.

My prediction would be because Ethiopia was never colonised, their current president speaks Chinese and studied in China, and China needs a country with high population to absorb their low manufacturing labour as China go to compete with high end market.

As for the US, Evil will always give you the nail, hammer, and cross you'll crucify it with, if you understand their operations. If you know your enemy and know yourself, you can't loose to it.

Remember this comment. America will give BRICS the reason to fasten up the creation of a new currency and alternative to swift with their new useless sanctions. Watch and see.

pansophist:

Remember this comment. America will give BRICS the reason to fasten up the creation of a new currency and alternative to swift with their new useless sanctions. Watch and see.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-25/aramco-targeted-in-un-human-rights-probe-tied-to-climate-change&ved=2ahUKEwiKt7Htg_6AAxX22gIHHW8bC6AQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0JPEj4PW5GPKDPkRJHOvjQ

Check it out. They have started the bullying without wasting time.
Aramco is the most profitable oil company, if not the most profitable company in the world but I guess because of the flirting of the saudis with BRICS, the US has to now use their dogs to go after them.
So early yet so childish.

Also, there is a cladestine plan to divide Brazil in to 5 by UK and US.
My concern is who gave these people power to divide countries as they like.
Why so much power to few countries to use at the expense of other countries

emmaodet:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-25/aramco-targeted-in-un-human-rights-probe-tied-to-climate-change&ved=2ahUKEwiKt7Htg_6AAxX22gIHHW8bC6AQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0JPEj4PW5GPKDPkRJHOvjQ

Check it out. They have started the bullying without wasting time.
Aramco is the most profitable oil company, if not the most profitable company in the world but I guess because of the flirting of the saudis with BRICS, the US has to now use their dogs to go after them.
So early yet so childish.

Also, there is a cladestine plan to divide Brazil in to 5 by UK and US.
My concern is who gave these people power to divide countries as they like.
Why so much power to few countries to use at the expense of other countries

Just like Pansophist said, the West will give BRICS the nail to nail her coffin. As for breaking up Brazil, if they could do it, they wouldn't come on social media to announce it, rather they will be at work doing all the can to achieve their aims. All they just did is to try and scare Brazil. They can't even achieve their aim not with Russia and China backing. Perhaps they have been trying in the dark without success and are trying to use insecurities to see if they can achieve their aim.

Regex:


Just like Pansophist said, the West will give BRICS the nail to nail her coffin. As for breaking up Brazil, if they could do it, they wouldn't come on social media to announce it, rather they will be at work doing all the can to achieve their aims. All they just did is to try and scare Brazil. They can't even achieve their aim not with Russia and China backing. Perhaps they have been trying in the dark without success and are trying to use insecurities to see if they can achieve their aim.

I hope this guy's can be put in the corner where they belong honestly because hey have no good plans for the rest of the world

LordAdam16:

On India, I see it differently.
India is the OG heavyweight of the Non-Aligned Movement. You might say we are past having fence-sitters. But the historicity is unequivocal.
In addition, there is a deeper rationale for their ambiguity. Access to privileged technology.
China + Russia and the US are a match on most counts. But the US and its diverse network of vassals maintain a vise-grip stranglehold on key technologies. These technologies have to be transferred willingly or extracted by clandestine means.

Unfortunately, that door has been shut for China and Russia. They have to spend more time and resources basically reinventing the wheel. When particularly in China's case, only a few years ago they could dangle access to the Chinese market and Western companies will fall over themselves and move mountains to share technologies and establish joint ventures.

It jives with Pareto's principle. 80% is easy to get. The top 20% are harder and the West still enjoys a commanding lead.

For instance, the machine to manufacture the most advanced chips can only be made by ASML. A Dutch company that America insisted be partly domiciled in the US. Each machine costs $200m. There are grades of advanced materials that you can only source from Western countries.

Russia has its hands full trying to maintain its strategic leads in carefully nitpicked sectors and sustaining the economy of Eurasia / Central Asia to match the wider range of innovation from the G7. It's different for China. For every sector they hack brilliantly like battery technology, there is at least one more where initial successes tapered off and they have to rely on tech transfers.

Of the top 10 exporting countries, China is #1. India is #10. #2 and #9 are all Western-aligned. UK exports $1T worth of goods annually. 65% is to the EU and the US. I know it's too early to call for a tightly-woven interdependency of this nature, but it is illustrative of the unrealized potential.
The experience we'll gain from taking the path you elegantly described is far more invaluable and useful.

A multipolar world is inevitable anyway. So how we get there may not matter all that much in the end.

-Lord

That is an insightful post you have there.

About the bold, the Chinese are putting their all into semiconductors really hard. I believe it is possible, but it would take time. The old strategy has been sending Chinese to study at top universities abroad, get the knowledge and experience and move back to China. This has seen Western governments try to limit their numbers. A few years ago, even before the "trade war" started, ministers in the UK were worried that Chinese students dominated Computer science, mathematics and elect/elect engineering departments at elite universities. The Netherlands recently brought up new rules limiting the admission of Chinese students into "sensitive departments" in its universities. The US has started resenting Chinese researchers and scholars. However, I see this as futile in the long run as Chinese students still constitute the top two blocs of foreign students in Western universities. Without them, some departments will have very few students. In Japan, most PhD students are Chinese. The same applies in South Korea. Chinese students bring in hard cash, which is challenging to overlook. If not for Covid and the so-called trade wars, India could not have overtaken China as the US's number one source of foreign students. Even at that, quality over quantity. The courses studied by the Chinese rank higher in economic and geopolitical importance over that of the Indians.

The second strategy is poaching scientists from Taiwan and Japan with higher salaries. That of the former has been very successful, but with new rules by the Taiwanese government, it is becoming quite unpopular. I read a comment on Quora where the poster said China can get ASML secrets by poaching the foreigners who work there. Since foreigners have no skin in the game and are only concerned with their pockets, rightfully so, it is a good option. One strategy here, especially in life sciences where the Chinese are way behind (the US is a dominant force in advanced biotechnology/bioengineering), would be to target Africans working/studying in the industry. Offer them higher salaries because I believe/think Chinese nationals would/might be restricted from working in the most sensitive positions. Nevertheless, Western life sciences firms are still hell-bent on assessing the Chinese market. Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca are still investing in China. The reality is, that the other options are not as profitable as China. India is not yet there to offer similar revenues, neither Indonesia nor the Phillippines. This is why I think China has a greater chance of winning - Westerners love money just like everyone else. The Europeans need the Chinese and vice-versa. It is why BASF is building its second-biggest factory in the country. Airbus and ABB generate billions from the Chinese market. Except there is a unison agreement among hedge and pension funds to accept lower dividends. But with an ageing population, that is not realistic.

The third strategy is supporting Chinese firms with massive subsidies to develop the tech they need. This has been extremely successful in renewable technology. Whether it is wind, solar or EVs, the Chinese dominate disproportionately. I believe the same is possible in aircraft engineering. Below are screenshots and the link attached of Huawei being supported to develop semiconductor chips. SMIC, YMTC, UNISOC are examples. Aircraft technology should not be difficult for the Chinese if the Brazilians can have an Embraer. In my opinion, the Chinese are still not major players in life sciences and partly aircraft technology. Agrochemicals has been bought via Syngenta. Robotics through KUKA AG. Maybe someone can list the sectors the Chinese are way behind. But this semiconductor industry? I see them getting there by fire by force. As usual, when they do, they flood the market and prices plunge.

Additonally, Western and allied countries' firms are still interested in the market because China alone generates ～30% of Nvidia, ASML, Tokyo Electron, Lam Research and ARM revenues. Currently, policymakers want to extend the sanctions to lower tech chips, but the companies no dey gree. Like Nvidia boss - a Taiwanese - said, paraphrased "This will make the Chinese develop their versions and cut off Western companies. After developing these chips, they will flood the market and drive down prices."

As for Taiwan and chips aka TSMC, I don't think both are major reasons the US aims to prevent a reunion. Should China take over Taiwan (which is only a matter of time), China has landed a punch on the West's face. It is that humiliation the West does not want. Mere looking at the map shows that China is being encircled - Guam, South Korea, Okinawa and now the Phillippines. So much for China is being aggressive towards her neighbours.

https://archive.md/2023.08.23-143233/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-23/huawei-building-secret-chip-plants-in-china-to-bypass-us-sanctions-group-warns

Let us just Imagine a day when the US, Europe, and other Western allies keep local currencies as reserves to settle oil trade deals. If not, the transaction will fail to go through, and the shipment will be recalled for non-clearance of dues.
The US and Europe could be headed for such a situation if BRICS puts ‘payments in local currencies only’ for oil and gas settlements.

I hope they will experience what they have been doing to other countries and let's see how they will manipulate currencies and banking sector to their advantage.
We will now see how their so called robust and diversified economy can withstand devaluation and inflation. Thieves

Until today, the world needed the US dollar in its Central Bank reserves to initiate global trade and transactions. Not having the US dollar as a reserve led to catastrophic consequences, including the risk of an economic collapse. Remember what happened to Sri lanka just a year ago?

However, things took a U-turn after the BRICS summit, as the alliance announced the end of trading in the US dollar. The writing on the wall is pretty clear, as countries want to distance themselves from the debt-ridden dollar. Pushing and promoting local currencies henceforth is the only way to reap the rewards of the global economy.

https://watcher.guru/news/us-europe-to-pay-local-currencies-for-oil-after-brics-expansion#google_vignette

emmaodet:


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-25/aramco-targeted-in-un-human-rights-probe-tied-to-climate-change&ved=2ahUKEwiKt7Htg_6AAxX22gIHHW8bC6AQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0JPEj4PW5GPKDPkRJHOvjQ

Check it out. They have started the bullying without wasting time.
Aramco is the most profitable oil company, if not the most profitable company in the world but I guess because of the flirting of the saudis with BRICS, the US has to now use their dogs to go after them.
So early yet so childish.

Also, there is a cladestine plan to divide Brazil in to 5 by UK and US.
My concern is who gave these people power to divide countries as they like.
Why so much power to few countries to use at the expense of other countries

Not just Brazil, but also India. I saw the tweet online.

But I am sure the BRICS leadership knows about this. China and Russia for example have been dealing with the Western interference of breaking up their countries into pieces for a very long time.

What Brics can do is just add a clause of mutual defense assistance, just like Article 5 of NATO. Then the West will face the full wrath of the bloc if they ever tried to attack any member.

But that is not all, it will also facilitate the creation of a new currency and the boycotting of Swift. As I said before, the trap has been set for them, and the West knows it.

In the game of power, you don't waste the aggression of your enemy, instead, you use it as fuel for your own gain. The Chinese are experts in this. I will give an example.

Remember when Beijing warned Pelosi not to visit Taiwan, as it would mean an infringement of China's sovereignty, Pelosi refused and entered Taiwan. And China's response was to surround Taiwan with its military ship and do about a week of military exercise.

So China degraded Taiwan's status from treating it like a country defacto to treating it like a renegade province. Since you can only surround your own territory with warships, not another sovereign country.

If China had done this before the Pelosi visit, there might have been an international uproar, the move would have seemed like an aggression from Beijing, and sanctions might have started flying here and there. But no one did anything because Beijing's actions were justified.

So I believe the West would be the one to unite and bond the group together, just as the US used Russia's invasion of Ukraine to unite and bond NATO very well.

So the aggression of your enemies must never be allowed to waste away for nothing. It must be utilized.

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Gerrard59:


That is an insightful post you have there.

About the bold, the Chinese are putting their all into semiconductors really hard. I believe it is possible, but it would take time. The old strategy has been sending Chinese to study at top universities abroad, get the knowledge and experience and move back to China.

This has seen Western governments try to limit their numbers. A few years ago, even before the "trade war" started, ministers in the UK were worried that Chinese students dominated Computer science, mathematics and elect/elect engineering departments at elite universities.

The Netherlands recently brought up new rules limiting the admission of Chinese students into "sensitive departments" in its universities. The US has started resenting Chinese researchers and scholars.

Back then in college, I saw some government officials from a province in China who came to our school to literally beg Chinese students to come back home and work for the province after their studies. This was about seven years ago.

My Chinese friend (who went back to China after his studies) was telling me about all the incentives that were offered to them if they came back and contributed to their motherland.

Back then, I didn't know what was up because I wasn't interested or knowledgeable about geopolitics, but when I think about that event, I realize how the Chinese have been in the background working efficiently while others are sleeping.

I know one thing for sure. And it is that China will get the tech they need, it is only a matter of time. They have the money, and the population, they are a superpower, and they have the best, most efficient government.

The game the US is playing is like swimming against the tides. You will get tired, and the tide will destroy you. It is only a matter of time.

cc: Pansophist Gerrard59 Emmaodet

Another coup in Africa.. how do you think the West will respond?

Regex:
"You know the problem with NATO is; America is not in Europe and Britain is an Island“

~Charles De Gaulle

What Charles de Gaulle said in 1960s is still manifesting.

Take Ukraine war as an example. Most European countries are tired of the war.They want Ukraine to sue for peace. They want the war to stop. They want peace with Russia not conflicts.

Only America and her bitch Britain are still supporting Ukraine and want the war to continue.

stanluiz:
What Charles de Gaulle said in 1960s is still manifesting.

Take Ukraine war as an example. Most European countries are tired of the war.They want Ukraine to sue for peace. They want the war to stop. They want peace with Russia not conflicts.

Only America and her bitch Britain are still supporting Ukraine and want the war to continue.

The outcome of the peace is what the US/UK don't want. They have been preparing for this war for a very long time. The idea that Russia's security will not have a loophole for a future military attack is unacceptable.

Of all the fourteen countries that share a border with Russia, Ukraine is the weakest link. Only through Ukraine can Russia be attacked, and history has proved it.

When Napoleon invaded, it was through Ukraine. When Hitler invaded, it was through Ukraine. Suing for peace will strengthen Russia's security, and there will be no more weak geographic links.

From Ukraine to Russia logistically speaking is like an expressway with no natural barriers such as mountains, rivers, etc. Also, Ukrainians are indistinguishable from Russians, they are the same people with different passports.

And that's what makes this war sad. It is brothers killing brothers since the devil has poisoned one of them.

The West won't sue for peace. I suspect that this will end like the Korean War. The war will be frozen, with a demilitarized zone, and it would be Russia that will set the line.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
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Gerrard59
Emmaodet


Another coup in Africa.. how do you think the West will respond?

They will respond by shouting, and speaking big grammar like restoring constitutional order, democracy, etc., but they won't do anything.

Right now, they are really scared to sanction, because as they are sanctioning a country, the Chinese are welcoming them into their camp.

Sanction only is effective when there is no other place to run to.

pansophist:


They will respond by shouting, and speaking big grammar like restoring constitutional order, democracy, etc., but they won't do anything.

Right now, they are really scared to sanction, because as they are sanctioning a country, the Chinese are welcoming them into their camp.

Sanction only is effective when there is no other place to run to.

U have a point. Though i feel the Western house niggas in Africa like AU might threaten sanction.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
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Emmao.det

Another coup in Africa.. how do you think the West will respond?

Like Panso has stated, the West can only watch and keep mute. Anyhow speech gets people, especially Africans, antsy. Because, for real, why has the West never complained about Bongo when he was “winning elections”? My issue isn’t with dictators in the continent but because they don’t focus on proper economic and social development. If I criticise countries having dictators, I would label myself a hypocrite because Singapore, which I admire, can be described as such. Western publications do that a lot. I have realised that most countries don’t work well with democracy as we know it. So, whatever system that works for them, provided there is broad economic and social development like China and Singapore, is fine by me. I am all about the economy and social development, not whether people can vote. If dem like Sharia, but average citizens are living a good life, perfect. E concern them. If they say we no want again, their business. But first, provide economic development. Honestly, it pains me how we have squandered time, energy and resources in a bid to create an abundance of sh!thole areas, Gabon suppose be like the UAE or Qatar. We no try in that part of the world. I understand a unipolar world contributed, but as the world gets more multipolar, now is the chance to right our wrongs. If Namibia and Zambia squander theirs eh now, e don be.

BTW, from this publication, the French have soldiers there: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/30/gabon-military-officers-claim-power-say-election-lacked-credibility. France is one useless colonial power, no ifs or buts. For a colonial power whose language has its majority speakers in sub-Saharan Africa, all of which are poor (Francophone countries are poorer than their Anglophone counterparts in every single part of the world). It irks me how she ensures they remain poor. There is no way French can influence the world when the majority of its speakers are poor compared to Spanish or German. Chinese is well balanced as the numbers and wealth are in place.

You would see reactions when the military commandos request that the French soldiers vacate the country, which they ought to. Their usefulness cannot be measured.

On the other hand, about the new entrants to the BRICS. Argentina and Ethiopia are two useless additions. I could not post this due to back-to-back bans by the spam bot. Argentina is a South America’s Zimbabwe.. Some politicians dislike China and the Chinese. They adhere to anything the EU tells them. The EU says jump, and they ask, how high? Then Ethiopia, another unthinkable addition. The country suffers from perennial famines, is ethnically fractured and faces a looming crisis with Egypt regarding the Nile River. Countries that should join the BRICS are those that can govern themselves or contain their problems by themselves. Between Nigeria and Ethiopia, we are better off in the BRICS than Ethiopia. Even Kenya is better off. The issue is that most people think BRICS is anti-Western influence, which is partly true as the West is against anything to curtail their influence. However, being a member does not mean one should completely oppose anything Western. India, South Africa and Brazil are good examples. Even the Chinese would still accept American FDI into her economy.

Gerrard59:



BTW, from this publication, the French have soldiers there: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/30/gabon-military-officers-claim-power-say-election-lacked-credibility. France is one useless colonial power, no ifs or buts. For a colonial power whose language has its majority speakers in sub-Saharan Africa, all of which are poor (Francophone countries are poorer than their Anglophone counterparts in every single part of the world). It irks me how she ensures they remain poor. There is no way French can influence the world when the majority of its speakers are poor compared to Spanish or German. Chinese is well balanced as the numbers and wealth are in place.

You would see reactions when the military commandos request that the French soldiers vacate the country, which they ought to. Their usefulness cannot be measured.

https://twitter.com/Kdenkss/status/1697101151756226811

I guess Bongo has outlived his usefulness. If the new coup rulers are not requesting the French to vacate the land, it is pointless. This differs from Niger coup.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:





U have a point. Though i feel the Western house niggas in Africa like AU might threaten sanction.

They may, but as time goes by, they will progressively be hesitant to do such. Everybody in every institution knows what's up, they are just scared.

From AU boss, to ECOWAS, they have to operate in such a way that it does not offend the hegemon. It's difficult to defend evil, no matter how powerful evil is.

Especially when most of the citizens of Africa are in support of the overthrow. When an institution vested with political power betray that seats, then it's not worthy of the seat.

The worse fear of every tyrant is to loose the support and followership of those that looks up to them. You'll be a prisoner of your own mind because one day, just one day, they will throw you out.

So the more ECOWAS and AU keep obeying external forces than their people, they will continuously keep loosing credibility until they become irrelevant. The US with all it's propaganda have lots credibility in the eyes of anyone with common sense.

Gerrard59:


On the other hand, about the new entrants to the BRICS. Argentina and Ethiopia are two useless additions. I could not post this due to back-to-back bans by the spam bot. Argentina is a South America’s Zimbabwe...

Chaii

Gerrard59:


https://twitter.com/Kdenkss/status/1697101151756226811

I guess Bongo has outlived his usefulness. If the new coup rulers are not requesting the French to vacate the land, it is pointless. This differs from Niger coup.

I share the same sentiments. not the same with niger coup

Gerrard59:

For black Africa to be rich or at least middle class, we need to receive investments and have our goods access wealthier markets. That is what the US did with Japan after the nuclear bombing, South Korea after the disintegration, Singapore, Malaysia and Taiwan. Those countries got massive investments from Western companies and technical know-how.

'Receiving Investments' involves the receipt of information and knowhow and instruction by a large number of organised individuals capable and ready to receive it, which Japan showed it had in its willingness to go kamikazi.

China received investments for the same reason of having an educated willing workforce, as did historic USA with its 'willing' unpaid workforce.

For black Africa to be rich or at least middle class, we need to be in a position to receive investments and technical knowhow, and unfortunately we aren't at the moment since we do not have a large number of organised individuals capable and ready to receive investments.

Gerrard59:
Now, the Chinese are ascending to higher levels and the West feels threatened and is clamping down on her growth.

It's this that prompted me to respond, as it leaves out why "Chinese are ascending to higher levels", which I've proposed above is a large organised educated willing workforce that is capable and ready to receive investments and knowhow.

Gerrard59:

OK, their interest. So, where next are the world's manufacturing hubs they are targeting? South Asia (India) and South East Asia. But these places are a distance away from Europe and the United States. The most logical would be to do the same in black Africa to serve the same purpose as China.

The assumption that the world cares to provide another country with manufacturing jobs made me chuckle.

Below is Taiwan being anal retentive at moving it's manufacturing jobs to USA that seems to find it more logical to be the world's manufacturer.

"The plant’s owner Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), the largest chip maker in the world, has pushed back plans to start manufacturing to 2025, blaming a lack of skilled labor. It is trying to fast-track visas for 500 Taiwanese workers. Unions, meanwhile, are accusing TSMC of inventing the skills shortage as an excuse to hire cheaper, foreign labor. Others point to safety issues at the plant." https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/28/phoenix-microchip-plant-biden-union-tsmc

Gerrard59:

The other day, I read German businesses went to Indonesia, Malaysia and Vietnam to seek partners to produce goods for the EU market. For crying out loud, is Malaysia closer to Germany than Senegal? Kenya? Tanzania?

No, it isn't. We just lack that educated willing organised workforce.

Gerrard59:
Investing in certain countries to make them rich is good for the investor because when those people invested in become rich, they purchase the goods and patronise the services of the investor.

I don't think it reasonable to expect an investor to invest in a country to make a country rich. Might be because Adam brainwashed me though, and because I think modern day investors think more short-term.

Gerrard59:

That is how it happened with the Chinese and the West. The West invested, and today Chinese purchase lots of...

That is not "how it happened with the Chinese and the West, Gerrard, unless you'd claim the West selling Indian opium in China was making China rich.

What's true is China invested in the Chinese by educating themselves to be able to go and steal the investment (information, knowledge, knowhow) from the West, and the West, being greedy for cheap labour in order to maximise their profit sold their investment to China.

Gerrard59:

The question now is, why didn't the West think of the same, considering we have a 500+ year history compared to the Chinese?

Because China had a much longer history to learn from of course.

https://www.thetrumpet.com/14006-chinas-hundred-year-strategy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025

P.s. I responded to this because of the intelligence therein and the inciteful way it presented.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-31/us-farmers-export-less-corn-than-world-leading-brazil-in-2023-2024

China signed a trade deal with Brazil last year to increase grain purchases.

This year, Brazil dislodged the US to become the largest exporter of corn after 40 long years.

Some would say it's just corn, but last year America's export haul from agricultural produce was $200B.

I'm all for this kind of behind-the-scenes moves. More action; less posturing.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-31/us-farmers-export-less-corn-than-world-leading-brazil-in-2023-2024

China signed a trade deal with Brazil last year to increase grain purchases.

This year, Brazil dislodged the US to become the largest exporter of corn after 40 long years.

Some would say it's just corn, but last year America's export haul from agricultural produce was $200B.

I'm all for this kind of behind-the-scenes moves. More action; less posturing.

-Lord

Chinese people eh

They will just be moving slowly, they won't say shit. Only when they've accomplished their aim, and years later, you'll understand the strategic moves they made years back.

When people think about reunification with Taiwan, they think it will be a hot war between the PLA and Taiwanese army. But in reality, it would be the PLA blockade Taiwan, and no butterfly will leave or enter Taiwan.

Then starve Taiwan that is import dependent on its electricity, fuel and everything. In about two weeks, they will surrender without a single shot fired.

Then if the US decides they want to fight the Chinese, then the fight would be between PRC and the US. The Ukraine formula is not applicable here. Taiwan is an island and no land route to ship weapon to it.

Interesting times ahead.

LordAdam16:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-31/us-farmers-export-less-corn-than-world-leading-brazil-in-2023-2024

China signed a trade deal with Brazil last year to increase grain purchases.

This year, Brazil dislodged the US to become the largest exporter of corn after 40 long years.

Some would say it's just corn, but last year America's export haul from agricultural produce was $200B.

I'm all for this kind of behind-the-scenes moves. More action; less posturing.

-Lord

To be fair, most of the corn produced in the US is converted into ethanol since there are incentives. But as EVs get cheaper and more popular, the economic basis would fizzle out. For simple agricultural trade, it is a Big W for the Chinese since the US started placing sanctions here and there. Mumu Phillphines aligned with the US, and the Chinese shifted to Ecuador for bananas. When Australia was misbehaving, she got punished by the Chinese, reducing the import of wines and dairy products. Thankfully, she don get sense small and both AUSNZL leaders have visited Xi, even if na for photo-shoots.

I hope African leaders and entrepreneurs take advantage of it as the Chinese have simplified the process of importing agricultural products from Africa. I recall when some commentators on the NYT vowed to stop purchasing South African wines. I saw a business opportunity by turning away to the Chinese. The same with Taiwan, pineapple exports to China have reduced. One commentator on the SCMP said, "Americans should put their money where their mouth is. It is not weaponry exports every time; buy some Taiwanese pineapples. Taiwanese should beg their American masters to buy some pineapples."

Nevertheless, it is a good diversion anyway. The Chinese can depend on Russia, South East Asia, South America and parts of Africa for food imports. The market is there and always growing as the Chinese get richer. Smithfield, the world's biggest pork processor, is already owned by the Chinese ditto Syngenta, a major agrochemical seed developer. Now is the time to consolidate on the investments made, grow their naval power to defend waterways and food should never be a problem.

I applaud their long-term thinking and pragmatism. I really do.