preciousee17:

Honestly, this question, we both know the answer. I'm still emphasizing that what you preach comes first. (By the way, a few churches that I know, I can vouch for them that they don't twist anything. Nothing I've heard about yet).

preciousee17:

No, they had brains to understand.
They knew when God said it figuratively, them understood when Jesus meant it literally.

Read, and interpret John 10:31-42.

Time is almost up.
For a few times now, you had said I shouldn't communicate with you (even though you always end up mentioning me later).
So this should be one of my last messages, hope you don't see it as if I'm running? Not like I would care less.

MaxInDHouse:

Well if you're not obedient to those taking the lead in your religion we do according to what apostle Paul told us {Hebrews 13:7, 17} that's what the other person meant saying Jehovah's Witnesses are OBEDIENT.


So we hold onto the fruit Sir! Matthew 7:16-18

So if i've been quoting Jesus all these while as the commander whose words we're acting upon you don't know that means we're revering him as Lord shey?

preciousee17:


Revisit that post and think of this: your reply hasn't corresponded well.
I just said that a faulty root brings up mutilated fruits and you're still saying we should hold on to the fruit? Instead of checking the root first? SMH. I'm done sha. I sit back to watch what's flying around. (I actually need to prepare to tomorrow)



You've not answered my question. Don't be like the people you so accused because they refused to deliver the names of their churches.

Two people regularly organize charity.
Mr A: Does it while announcing that Satan is Lord
Mr B: Does it while announcing that Jesus is Lord.
Who do you think people should rather follow.
Again please be straightforward in answering this, no need for diversions.

advocatejare:

MaxInDHouse can’t publicly identify with Russell, what a horrible man Russel was so much that a character like MaxInDHouse can deny him

Emusan:


You didn't even decode the lying liar JWs here.

He claimed the name (Jehovah Witness) was FOUNDED 15 years after Russell but the same lying liar JWs will still claim that there has ALWAYS BEEN JEHOVAH WITNESS even before Jesus was born.

preciousee17:

Honestly, this question, we both know the answer. I'm still emphasizing that what you preach comes first. (By the way, a few churches that I know, I can vouch for them that they don't twist anything. Nothing I've heard about yet).

No, they had brains to understand.
They knew when God said it figuratively, them understood when Jesus meant it literally.

Read, and interpret John 10:31-42.

Time is almost up.
For a few times now, you had said I shouldn't communicate with you (even though you always end up mentioning me later).
So this should be one of my last messages, hope you don't see it as if I'm running? Not like I would care less.

cornelboy:

Lol. Those churches you could vouch for, do they believe and teach the trinity doctrine?

Do Jesus or the early church believe or teach the trinity doctrine?

JWs don't believe in the trinity just like the early church. What do you think?

Your answer doesn't matter. I'm just trying to make a point.

Emusan:


But Russell believed Jesus is God and need to be worshipped.

So that means Russell is a pagan which the same Jesus work with and directed

Emusan:


But Russell believed Jesus is God and need to be worshipped.

So that means Russell is a pagan which the same Jesus work with and directed

Courz:
And check this, the Bible Students are operating their own teachings separately even though Watchtower still controls them. The Bible Students are helping Watchtower to run JWs. The Bible Students cannot use the books of Russell without the permission of Watchtower. The Bible Students Association is a corporation owned by Watchtower. Watchtower is running JWs and Bible Students separately but with different doctrines that contradict each other. One Cult is a fully fledged Freemason one that meet in Masonic Lodges while the other is pretending to be Christian. Why is that? This is a Cult of Contradictions.

preciousee17:


If it is true that Watchtower runs both JW and Bible Students separately, then I wonder what else could be worse

preciousee17:

If it is true that Watchtower runs both JW and Bible Students separately, then I wonder what else could be worse

preciousee17:

What's the JWs' stance on the Holy Spirit?

advocatejare:
It’s a known fact that Charles Taze Russell founded the International Bible Students Association (which his successor later named Jehovah’s Witnesses), Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (1884)




Russel was a wife abuser who subjected his wife to mental torture

He failed in the task of keeping his family together and he and his wife ended up being divorced against the teaching of Jesus Christ.

The same JW people are always claiming to be the only true Christian, a claim MaxInDHouse always make on this forum, yet their founder derailed from the Jesus’ teachings.

MaxInDHouse being ashamed of Russel’s lifestyle, decided to claim that Russel was not the founder of JW just because Joseph Franklin Rutherford who succeeded Russel decided to change the name of their association from International Bible Students Association to Jehovah’s Witnesses.

My questions to MaxInDHouse and other JW members on this forum is :

1. if you found a company and name it ABC and your successor renames it DEF, does that make your successor the founder of the company?

2. What is the stance of your organization on divorce today

3. What is the stance of your organization on subjecting your wives to mental torture like Russell did?

If you claim that Russel is not the founder of your organization: who then is the founder?

MaxInDHouse over to you

MaxInDHouse:

After 12 midnight you're still chatting with Curse but you said all you have is 9:30 to stop commenting o.

EngrJAO:

I'm not a Jehovah witness member but common sense should have let you know that the founder was human and was bound to sin. It's just like a teacher telling his students why stealing is bad but that same teacher is an armed robber at night, does it means his teachings are of no use to the student.
The fact you don't like them doesn't make your own life completely perfect.
Respect people believes so far as they don't cross your lines.
Peace.

Courz:


Yes it is indeed True. Just go to Wikipedia and type Corporations of Jehovah's witnesses. You will see IBSA mentioned as one of them. This information is all there. All Government agencies in the U.S, UK and other countries that Watchtower is registered in have this info that Watchtower owns International Bible Students Association (IBSA). The agencies they are registered with have these records as well. When Charles Taze Russell came up with IBSA, he wrote a letter in 1914 which was written in a Watchtower Publication letting his members know that IBSA is Watchtower and Watchtower is IBSA. And that anywhere you see IBSA operating means it is Watchtower operating. He said it himself.

Look at this U.K Government website below. This information is there as well. They were actually investigating Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Britain and their role in covering up Child Sexual Abuse. You can see IBSA mentioned there as a Charity registered under Watchtower. Watchtower is registered as a Charity/NGO. All of their corporations are registered as charities/NGOs even though they don't operate like a real NGO. You can also see IBSA functions as to how they help Watchtower run JWs.

A Freemason JW that left the Cult whose Grand Father was close to Charles Taze Russell revealed that IBSA is actually where they get their Governing body members (JW Leaders) from. These men are selected based on Bloodline, that is, they must be Freemasons by Family ties. Which is why when you watch their broadcast videos you will notice them wearing their Masonic rings on their right hands. They always have a ring on their right hands. So, IBSA is part and parcel of JW no matter which way you look at it. They are intertwined but they pretend to be separate in public because everything has been revealed about their Masonic ties. It is purely for Fake image purposes. IBSA is purely Masonic. All the IBSA members who died along with Russell were all buried in the same Burial ground and all of them were Freemasons.

The only people who are not aware of this is JWs and that is because they have been forbidden from researching their Cult.

preciousee17:

It was specific to you.
If you noticed, I engaged you from 8:30 to 9:30... It was intentional.
Didn't you advise me to refrain from communicating with you?

preciousee17:

I came to see a better argument.
What's all these?
Can't you guys rep your Churches if y'all feel so right?
I rep God's Lighthouse BTW.

preciousee17:

It was specific to you.
If you noticed, I engaged you from 8:30 to 9:30... It was intentional.
Didn't you advise me to refrain from communicating with you?

preciousee17:

I came to see a better argument.
What's all these?
Can't you guys rep your Churches if y'all feel so right?
I rep God's Lighthouse BTW.

preciousee17:


NO! That's not what I'm referring to at all.
I too boast in God for the things He taught me and I'm able to teach as well (I'm considered a teacher for the younger ones in a certain church)
It's almost normal.

The Pride I'm referring to here us the other foolish one:

1. You boast that JW has large numbers, forgetting that Islams are the fastest growing religion.
2. You boast that your teachings were so true that you were declared am extremist group by Russia, forgetting that China has seen one of the largest Christian persecution in history and they weren't JWs, check how bad theirs was
3. You boast that you preach from door to door of civilized people, forgetting that certain people preach in market places, looking tattered and very inferior
4. You boast that you are the only true Christians, cancelling others, forgetting that Jesus said you shouldn't judge with the eyes.

You know better, just name it, I'm not bothered about you trying to disprove my interpretation of the Bible with your knowledge.
I'm irritated you try to disprove people's interpretations with your actions and statistics.

preciousee17:

Hmm. I wonder...
Well, if they know all these, then it's pointless arguing.

MaxInDHouse:

MaxInDHouse:


But you purposely mentioned me first nah!


And by the end of the day shied away from the main points which is the real meaning of the word "FOUNDER"

Anyway you're not interested in knowing the truth all you've come to do is attack Maximus:



The highlighted above is all you've come to do here and i'm not surrendering so know today that all my boast about Jehovah's Witnesses organization being the one and only group producing the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit stands so if you have a better performing group just present it otherwise continue dancing around with your friends.

Who is the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization?

JEHOVAH God who promised that in the endtime an organization of zealous preachers and industrious teachers of His word will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} and Jehovah has fulfilled His promises through His organized people: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

EngrJAO:

I'm not a Jehovah witness member but common sense should have let you know that the founder was human and was bound to sin. It's just like a teacher telling his students why stealing is bad but that same teacher is an armed robber at night, does it means his teachings are of no use to the student.
The fact you don't like them doesn't make your own life completely perfect.
Respect people believes so far as they don't cross your lines. Peace.

preciousee17:

Is it possible that this is true?
You think live revolves around you?

preciousee17:

Why drop these?
I was invited, I came. Not to argue with anyone tho.

EngrJAO:

I'm not a Jehovah witness member but common sense should have let you know that the founder was human and was bound to sin. It's just like a teacher telling his students why stealing is bad but that same teacher is an armed robber at night, does it means his teachings are of no use to the student.
The fact you don't like them doesn't make your own life completely perfect.
Respect people believes so far as they don't cross your lines.
Peace.

advocatejare:

If you’re a wise person, you should know not to put your mouth in what you don’t have full information about. How did you know that they didn’t cross my lines?

MaxInDHouse:


OLÓDO!

What's the name of your church that Jehovah's Witnesses have spoken against so that's you're here talking about founder?

Emusan:


But Russell believed Jesus is God and need to be worshipped.

So that means Russell is a pagan which the same Jesus work with and directed